My facial expressions keep resetting

[panthercom]

 This is the 3rd time this has happened to me; after loading a facial expression using

the fe 'xx' command the expressions reset themselves within ten seconds. I'm using the

FAFF ability embedded within Sexout. The only way I have been able to fix the problem in

the past was with a new game install.

 

I tried uninstalling every single mod and doing a clean save, and just running a discrete copy

of FAFF, but this did not solve the problem. I had made a New Vegas data folder backup, and I

used that to copy over everything in my install folder other than meshes and textures, but this

problem is still happening.

 

 Any ideas how to fix this? There must be some script running that is forcing an expression reset.

 

[nyaalich]

Are you using a melee weapon?  I've never used FAFF, but I had my facial expression stuck in a derp face for awhile until I did something with my weapon (took out and swung again?  Sorry.  It's been a long time).

[panthercom]

 It's not an issue with a stuck face, it's an issue with an expression

loaded from the playidle command resetting itself after ten seconds.

This happens on my character and on NPC's. The facial expressions

used by Amra's animations still work. Now that I think about... I wonder if

there is some voodoo going on with Amra's animation resetting the player's

expression after sex ends, because earlier versions of his animations would

leave the sex expression on the players' face after the animation ended,

but that is no longer happening anymore. Of course, I had this problem

happen to before I even knew Sexout existed. I would like to know how to

repair it without a reinstall, because I don't want to have to do that after I

install TTW.

[D_ManXX2]

that is the animation ending did you try opening the animation in nifscope ?? if so what does it say clamp or loop if it is loop it should continue playing that facial over and over again. but if it i clamp it will only play it once then revert to normal.

[panthercom]

 You're saying the facial expression is considered to be an animation by the game?

 So there should be a .kf somewhere for the facial expression that I could open in

Nifskope, and a property assigned to the expression that sets it to clamp or loop?

These expressions used to stay on permanently until I used  the playidle resetface

command, or closed the game. Now something has changed within my game that

makes them reset after ten seconds, and you think the actual face expression animation

files might provide some answers about what has happened?

[panthercom]

 Update: It appears this problem has been observed by Amra too; he's not sure how to fix

it yet. If you like to use poses with expressions you may be in for a bit of trouble, because

enabling any pose, such as Slave in Pose content, will cause the face to reset itself, even

if you set the face expressions to loop in the GECK (by making an .esp)

[prideslayer]

FWIW I never got the expressions to work right. The whole reason the FAFF animations (yes, they are .kf files -- look in data/meshes/characters/_male/idleanims/Expressions) are included in sexout was to, at some point, support changing facial animations during sex. To change to pained/angry/whatever during rape, 'O face' for blowjobs, and so on.

 

That hasn't happened because I wasn't able to get them to 'stick' either. The same goes for the breast resizing -- there are a series of morph targets similar to the expressions, but targeting the breast bones, that simply scale the bones but don't actually animate them. If you play them in the console, they will resize the characters breasts just fine. However, their interaction with the actual animations is problematic because some of the animators do "the bad thing" and scale the bones around during the animation when they should just be moving them -- but not scaling them.

 

I will try to take another look at all this this week. I'd really like to get the facial animations and other stuff working, it's been on my todo list for too long. Maybe a fresh look at it is all I need.

[panthercom]

 Thanks for taking some time out to take a look at this. I'm pretty sure if

I do a fresh install of New Vegas the expressions will work the way they used

to... for a while. It may just be a coincidence that my expressions stopped

working after my install of Amra's futa plugin and latest animations.

 

 I'm about to do a major computer upgrade, so any reinstalls of New Vegas

won't happen until next week for me.

 

 It's worth noting that Amra appears to be using some custom face expressions;

I don't know how he is implementing them, but his open mouth expressions open

the mouth wider than FAFF FE27 'yawning' so there are less clipping issues. It

would be nice to add his expressions to the FAFF list if possible.

 

[prideslayer]

I believe he's animating the head within the animation files he creates -- the vanilla sexout animations do not animate those bones. If I can get the FAFF expressions working properly I'd like to use those, and we can of course add more of them to help with the clipping issues. If not, then we can slowly recreate/replace the existing animations with ones that do animate the face.

 

I'd prefer they be kept separate so the same animation can be used for consensual and nonconsensual without the expression looking wrong, but that only matters if I can get the expressions working on their own in the first place.

[Amra72]

Yes, that's right! If you can do what you say will be much better and it makes me less work!

[prideslayer]

Exactly. I will spend some time on it this weekend, along with seeing what I can accomplish with integrating your and DMan's animations.