Sonic Racing: Crossworlds

[Mistic7]

55 minutes ago, ClosetOfDoom said:

As much as your logic would make sense in any other situation, let's just say that in the cases of LGBTQ+ references, if the artist puts in a nod like this, it's always intentional, meaning at the very least that Sega approved said nod.

 

Using a pride flag pattern like that is never a coincidence. Fans may get upset, but if Sega says they're canonically lesbians, then it's canon. They may not be a couple, but they are still lesbians.

While that may be the case, Ian did confirm that they are not officially lesbians at all, so at best they are just close friends. So they are not lesbians, nor a couple. 

[Mistic7]

Again this is just my opinion and I think at best they should be just very close platonic friends. Even if people may disagree on me, I have my reasons.

[edendowner]

Yall need to move on from the semantics and let fictional characters be whatever, and let people headcanon whatever. They're fictional characters, who gives a shit. It doesn't affect you at all.

Edited November 26, 2025 by edendowner

[ClosetOfDoom]

57 minutes ago, Misha7 said:

While that may be the case, Ian did confirm that they are not officially lesbians at all, so at best they are just close friends. So they are not lesbians, nor a couple. 

Here's the tweet in question. All he says here is that they are not officially lesbian, but his personal assumption is that they are, even if he lacks the ability to confirm.

Edited November 26, 2025 by ClosetOfDoom

[ClosetOfDoom]

1 hour ago, Zorai said:

 

Let's be real, if not for the mandates SEGA would've gave the okay for it probably after that panel and let them be a canon couple. If SEGA was against it, those pride colors would never of gotten through.

This right here. Lotta people say Sega is lenient in many aspects, and while they are in terms of fan content, they are pretty solid on how they want their characters to be represented in official releases these days, comics or otherwise.

[Mistic7]

22 minutes ago, ClosetOfDoom said:

Here's the tweet in question. All he says here is that they are not officially lesbian, but his personal assumption is that they are, even if he lacks the ability to confirm.

Right, that is true. SEGA didn't give him any pass to confirm it or not. And his personal assumptions on seeing them as lesbians doesn't really say on what is like canon by SEGA themselves, or at least those in charge of what goes. Again people can ship them but there is a line drawn by the company and they make the decisions. Until they confirm it, I'll believe it. Not something that I agree with but can admit if they confirm it.

 

People can assume they are, but it's just assumptions and have their headcanons. 

 

But I do think a reason as to why I don't like it, is from a certain percent of the fanbase, I've had a similar disagreement and not liking on how people were labeling characters as such officially while they are not, or get their characterizations wrong like Silver or Shadow in modern times. Which that was at fault from the writing, direction or even art. Which it feels like the fanbase are sometimes the ones that do this by popular demand even if it does sound crazy to say since it's only the ones in SEGA that deciede things. 

 

But it's no surprise as to how the Sonic fanbase can get toxic. But aside from that I am passionate and do love the Sonic franchise, and things have been improving. 

Edited November 26, 2025 by Misha7

[Zorai]

41 minutes ago, Misha7 said:

Right, that is true. SEGA didn't give him any pass to confirm it or not. And his personal assumptions on seeing them as lesbians doesn't really say on what is like canon by SEGA themselves, or at least those in charge of what goes. Again people can ship them but there is a line drawn by the company and they make the decisions. Until they confirm it, I'll believe it. Not something that I agree with but can admit if they confirm it.

 

People can assume they are, but it's just assumptions and have their headcanons. 

 

But I do think a reason as to why I don't like it, is from a certain percent of the fanbase, I've had a similar disagreement and not liking on how people were labeling characters as such officially while they are not, or get their characterizations wrong like Silver or Shadow in modern times. Which that was at fault from the writing, direction or even art. Which it feels like the fanbase are sometimes the ones that do this by popular demand even if it does sound crazy to say since it's only the ones in SEGA that deciede things. 

 

But it's no surprise as to how the Sonic fanbase can get toxic. But aside from that I am passionate and do love the Sonic franchise, and things have been improving. 

 

No offense, but I don't see a reason to bring up toxicity here, nor die on the hill about this. And no offense again, but the only time I've seen people get uppity over WhisperxTangle are bigots/homophobes. Not saying you are one or calling you one, but that's how it usually goes. Its fine if you don't wanna ship them, no one is saying you cant. But getting this uppity over it is just silly. If any other ship is fine, like Sonic or Shadow and Amy, Shadow or Knuckles and Rouge, etc, then why get upset over Whisper and Tangle? Its not any different then shipping characters that are "straight".

 

Also, Ian is the main, lead writer, the fact that he sees it means that they would've been a canon couple if he had the choice to do so. Regardless if he stated "I don't want folks disappointed if something changes down the line." he can always have them break up or go through a little turmoil, like real couples do. He's a fantastic writer and can easily come up with something. Regardless, SEGA isn't against it, they just have an annoying mandate they wanna keep (Which is why Shadow is always problematic in certain aspects).

Edited November 26, 2025 by Zorai

[lastboy463675]

10 hours ago, AsiagoSandwich said:

They're cartoon talking animals, it is not that serious lol

Harassing people over anything related to cartoon talking animals is incredibly stupid, I agree

well i got called out for not liking the so called ship like nothing agsint people who like it but if you attack people for your ship becsue you want it that's dumb

[lastboy463675]

2 minutes ago, Zorai said:

 

No offense, but I don't see a reason to bring up toxicity here, nor die on the hill about this. And no offense again, but the only time I've seen people get uppity over WhisperxTangle are bigots/homophobes. Not saying you are one or calling you one, but that's how it usually goes. Its fine if you don't wanna ship them, no one is saying you cant. But getting this uppity over it is just silly. If any other ship is fine, like Sonic or Shadow and Amy, Shadow or Knuckles and Rouge, etc, then why get upset over Whisper and Tangle? Its not any different then shipping characters that are "straight".

 

Also, Ian is the main, lead writer, the fact that he sees it means that they would've been a canon couple if he had the choice to do so. Regardless if he stated "I don't want folks disappointed if something changes down the line." he can always have them break up or go through a little turmoil, like real couples do. He's a fantastic writer and can easily come up with something. Regardless, SEGA isn't against it, they just have an annoying mandate they wanna keep (Which is why Shadow is always problematic in certain aspects).

dude not everyone is a bigot for asking that we don't do the lesbian angle just becuse they are good freinds what i found weird is that the moment some people so two female freinds working toghter they ship them like if you see how ian behaved before the whole whisper x tangle drama and demend he was not sure in fact he even hint he wantet to do somethng bwteen whisper and silver but he saw how fans were dying for the ship of whisper and tangle so he went along what i find toixc is that the fans of that ship call you names the moment you say you don't like it and yeah i don't like it i find it over the top like people can't see freinds being freinds

[ClosetOfDoom]

46 minutes ago, Misha7 said:

Right, that is true. SEGA didn't give him any pass to confirm it or not. And his personal assumptions on seeing them as lesbians doesn't really say on what is like canon by SEGA themselves, or at least those in charge of what goes. Again people can ship them but there is a line drawn by the company and they make the decisions. Until they confirm it, I'll believe it. Not something that I agree with but can admit if they confirm it.

 

People can assume they are, but it's just assumptions and have their headcanons. 

 

But I do think a reason as to why I don't like it, is from a certain percent of the fanbase, I've had a similar disagreement and not liking on how people were labeling characters as such officially while they are not, or get their characterizations wrong like Silver or Shadow in modern times. Which that was at fault from the writing, direction or even art. Which it feels like the fanbase are sometimes the ones that do this by popular demand even if it does sound crazy to say since it's only the ones in SEGA that deciede things. 

 

But it's no surprise as to how the Sonic fanbase can get toxic. But aside from that I am passionate and do love the Sonic franchise, and things have been improving. 

I get that you got reasons, but reasons based on fan interaction really have no weight as to whether or not Sega will ever confirm or deny such headcanons. Sega will likely never confirm unless the world arrives at a point where LGBTQ+ discrimination is almost completely absent, especially since the Sonic franchise has been around since the 90s, so OG Sonic fans come from a time where it was (sadly) more normal to discriminate, and therefore many OG fans would of course be upset if they found out their perfectly heterosexual franchise wasn't so heterosexual after all.

 

Because of Sega's strictness on character image, I'd say because they let the flag deisgn slide in official Sega content, that's about as much confirmation as they can give out in a world where discrimination is (sadly) still fairly present.

[ClosetOfDoom]

10 minutes ago, lastboy463675 said:

dude not everyone is a bigot for asking that we don't do the lesbian angle just becuse they are good freinds what i found weird is that the moment some people so two female freinds working toghter they ship them like if you see how ian behaved before the whole whisper x tangle drama and demend he was not sure in fact he even hint he wantet to do somethng bwteen whisper and silver but he saw how fans were dying for the ship of whisper and tangle so he went along what i find toixc is that the fans of that ship call you names the moment you say you don't like it and yeah i don't like it i find it over the top like people can't see freinds being freinds

You should really add a little punctuation to your sentences, lol. At least periods, fam.

[Zorai]

48 minutes ago, lastboy463675 said:

dude not everyone is a bigot for asking that we don't do the lesbian angle just becuse they are good freinds what i found weird is that the moment some people so two female freinds working toghter they ship them like if you see how ian behaved before the whole whisper x tangle drama and demend he was not sure in fact he even hint he wantet to do somethng bwteen whisper and silver but he saw how fans were dying for the ship of whisper and tangle so he went along what i find toixc is that the fans of that ship call you names the moment you say you don't like it and yeah i don't like it i find it over the top like people can't see freinds being freinds

 

Didn't call anyone a bigot, I simply pointed out that its usually those types of people that get this upset about it. The fact that you see them as friends doesn't mean I nor others do, as we see them more then that, and both are valid. No one has even called anyone names or been toxic, just explaining our point of view. No one is being toxic from what I can see, just a debate about a ship and someone simply not liking it. If giving our opinions is considered a "attack", then that's on you. And of course Twitter has drama, since they hate anything that goes against their narrow views.

 

And the only reason people love this ship is because its genuinely natural if you actually look at how they act towards each other, how they treat each other, etc. Especially the Metal Virus arc. People aren't basing their views on nothing. I'll say it again. If you don't see them as anymore then friends, that's valid and fine. But to question others opinions about it is not okay. I don't like Knuckles and Rouge or Sonic and Blaze getting shipped, but I ain't gonna go into spaces and complain about it. No one should.

 

No one should get this upset about Tangle X Whisper ship, which is the sole reason why I brought up the bigotry/homophobia to begin with, as that's the sole demographic I've seen get this uppity about it. But I never called anyone a bigot.

Also, if you're gonna bring up that Ian was against it, then provide a source, please. Misinformation is dangerous.

Edited November 26, 2025 by Zorai

[edendowner]

1 hour ago, Zorai said:

 

No offense, but I don't see a reason to bring up toxicity here, nor die on the hill about this. And no offense again, but the only time I've seen people get uppity over WhisperxTangle are bigots/homophobes. Not saying you are one or calling you one, but that's how it usually goes. Its fine if you don't wanna ship them, no one is saying you cant. But getting this uppity over it is just silly. If any other ship is fine, like Sonic or Shadow and Amy, Shadow or Knuckles and Rouge, etc, then why get upset over Whisper and Tangle? Its not any different then shipping characters that are "straight".

 

Also, Ian is the main, lead writer, the fact that he sees it means that they would've been a canon couple if he had the choice to do so. Regardless if he stated "I don't want folks disappointed if something changes down the line." he can always have them break up or go through a little turmoil, like real couples do. He's a fantastic writer and can easily come up with something. Regardless, SEGA isn't against it, they just have an annoying mandate they wanna keep (Which is why Shadow is always problematic in certain aspects).

Your first paragraph is completely on point. We've been through literal centuries of white straight people being at the forefront of everything, but some people with darker skin and queer folk start expressing themselves more openly in the past fifteen years and suddenly that's "shoved down your throat?" That's just closeted bigotry.

 

You're completely right; the only people that ever complain about this being "shoved down their throats" are people who have this weird, inherent discomfort with anything and anybody different to the status quo.

 

Serious advice to those people; stop caring. They aren't hurting nor affecting you. You don't need a better reason to change your view.

 

Anyway, stop derailing. Back on topic please.

Edited November 26, 2025 by edendowner

[Mistic7]

I'm just giving my opinion on it and that's it. Not here to spread any toxicity, bad vibes just discussing and seeing viewpoints.

 

But I would rather discuss now about something else, which is mostly theorizing on who could be the next DLC characters coming. And there is a possibilty that if the game continue to thrive the more will come.

 

Which it has been said already that other SEGA characters will come most likely like Amigo, Lala and Billy Hacther perhaps. But I would like to see more Sonic characters, and since the game is CrossWorld based then I would like to see more Sonic characters from other sources and of course Whisper and Tangle prove that.

 

 

 

 

[Catnatic]

50 minutes ago, edendowner said:

Your first paragraph is completely on point. We've been through literal centuries of white straight people being at the forefront of everything, but some people with darker skin and queer folk start expressing themselves more openly in the past fifteen years and suddenly that's "shoved down your throat?" That's just closeted bigotry.

 

You're completely right; the only people that ever complain about this being "shoved down their throats" are people who have this weird, inherent discomfort with anything and anybody different to the status quo.

Exactly! If you were to be truly apathetic, you wouldn't have said anything about it because you literally wouldn't care! That's what apathy truly is!

 

1 hour ago, lastboy463675 said:

12 hours ago, AsiagoSandwich said:

They're cartoon talking animals, it is not that serious lol

Harassing people over anything related to cartoon talking animals is incredibly stupid, I agree

well i got called out for not liking the so called ship like nothing agsint people who like it but if you attack people for your ship becsue you want it that's dumb

No, what we're calling out is quite frankly the stupidity of taking unofficial shipping so seriously, being upset about how people want to ship other characters or headcanon their sexualities, and being pedantic about their official/canon romantic status... in a fucking porn site where nothing is platonic.

 

We're ultimately talking about cartoon animal characters that appeal to children from a franchise with little to no romantic interactions for crying out loud, what fans do for fun shouldn't be taken that seriously at all. I don't want to see any more bitching about character shipping any longer as that has nothing to do with modding this game.

Edited November 26, 2025 by Catnatic

[lovelydaytosee]

We definitely need a new modding topic to talk about. any ideas? Feel like the modding has been slow going so we've been kind of all over.. But i cant for the life of me really find something to discuss.  How about the status of seperate character slots? anybody have any news regarding progress on that? There was a mod floating around that separated the ai but that's the last i've heard of extra slots being possible to my knowledge 

[Zorai]

32 minutes ago, lovelydaytosee said:

We definitely need a new modding topic to talk about. any ideas? Feel like the modding has been slow going so we've been kind of all over.. But i cant for the life of me really find something to discuss.  How about the status of seperate character slots? anybody have any news regarding progress on that? There was a mod floating around that separated the ai but that's the last i've heard of extra slots being possible to my knowledge 

 

Personally I'd love to see more of the decals turned into something NSFW based. A lot of potential there imo, that I've only seen the Wave mod by Ultra Hyper do so far. The course decals are honestly perfect for it imo, especially since you're forced to buy them all anyway if you're doing the Chao challenges.

[lovelydaytosee]

3 minutes ago, Zorai said:

 

Personally I'd love to see more of the decals turned into something NSFW based. A lot of potential there imo, that I've only seen the Wave mod by Ultra Hyper do so far. The course decals are honestly perfect for it imo, especially since you're forced to buy them all anyway if you're doing the Chao challenges.

I defo agree we need more nsfw decals. there is plenty of work we can use for it. Were i able to mod i'd do it myself. I find it weird we only have the wave ones. 

[Darkzero3802]

Anyone else wanting to see some sexy xmas lingerie on the ladies for the holidays?

[lastboy463675]

6 hours ago, ClosetOfDoom said:

Here's the tweet in question. All he says here is that they are not officially lesbian, but his personal assumption is that they are, even if he lacks the ability to confirm.

well people can "assume" a lot of things aslo this lesbian thing was something he seen fans liking so he picked it up still the question of the day is do we need them to be lesbians like nothing esle about them matters at this point i want sega to come out and say if they are or aren't lesbains so we can move on to anything esle

Edited November 26, 2025 by lastboy463675

[NEPUnepu99]

2 hours ago, Zorai said:

 

Personally I'd love to see more of the decals turned into something NSFW based. A lot of potential there imo, that I've only seen the Wave mod by Ultra Hyper do so far. The course decals are honestly perfect for it imo, especially since you're forced to buy them all anyway if you're doing the Chao challenges.

i belive the tenga rouge skin has one or 2 replaced with the tenga logo

 

[ninjahedgehog]

My opinion on the Tangle X Whisper discourse that I pretty much skimmed

Ppl can head cannon ships to their hearts content all they want. But it seems to me, that ppl pushing and arguing that certain relationships are romantic in cannon can not or refuse to acknowledge, that yes. Two people can be very close, take a bullet and go above and beyond for a cherished FRIEND. This has become especially true for same sex pairings. Bert and Ernie, Sam and Frodo, it's a narrative old as time. Don't get me wrong, I understand that a gay couple may have to be downplayed for the sake of the target audience especially when they're children. IDK if the ppl are doing this here as a validation of their queerness or something (which is often why ppl do this) but it's 2025. Queerness is constantly gaining more visible acceptation and when it isn't, it's the result of activism taking it too far. Validation shouldn't be coming from media, let alone fictional children's media. It should come from the people around you and role models who you respect the most.

[ClosetOfDoom]

20 minutes ago, lastboy463675 said:

well people can "assume" a lot of things aslo this lesbian thing was something he seen fans liking so he picked it up still the question of the day is do we need them to be lesbians like nothing esle about them matters at this point i want sega to come out and say if they are or aren't lesbains so we can move on to anything esle

Bro, for real, please add periods, lol.

[Zorai]

43 minutes ago, lastboy463675 said:

well people can "assume" a lot of things aslo this lesbian thing was something he seen fans liking so he picked it up still the question of the day is do we need them to be lesbians like nothing esle about them matters at this point i want sega to come out and say if they are or aren't lesbains so we can move on to anything esle

 

Genuinely, please. I know my punctuation isn't perfect but it goes a long way.

And again, no one is forcing you to head canon them as lesbians. Let's move on and not derail the topic again, please.

 

35 minutes ago, ninjahedgehog said:

My opinion on the Tangle X Whisper discourse that I pretty much skimmed

Ppl can head cannon ships to their hearts content all they want. But it seems to me, that ppl pushing and arguing that certain relationships are romantic in cannon can not or refuse to acknowledge, that yes. Two people can be very close, take a bullet and go above and beyond for a cherished FRIEND. This has become especially true for same sex pairings. Bert and Ernie, Sam and Frodo, it's a narrative old as time. Don't get me wrong, I understand that a gay couple may have to be downplayed for the sake of the target audience especially when they're children. IDK if the ppl are doing this here as a validation of their queerness or something (which is often why ppl do this) but it's 2025. Queerness is constantly gaining more visible acceptation and when it isn't, it's the result of activism taking it too far. Validation shouldn't be coming from media, let alone fictional children's media. It should come from the people around you and role models who you respect the most.

 

Its more so the fact that its fine for them to be romantic or not, no one was really arguing it. The issue is getting upset at others for liking them as romantic.

The comic has done an amazing job portraying them as really close, and it could go either way with them considering themselves sisters, lovers, or just really good friends. So there's no point in arguing what they are. Which is why I find it silly to get uppity about people seeing them as a couple. Which is what started this whole thing.

 

Either way, I think the topic should go back on track and not be derailed further imo.

[Cunkles]

Sega will never say it out loud but the whole Sonic cast are pan friends with benefits that smoke weed. This is one of the gayest punkest series known to mankind. Who's going to stop me from mushing my Shadow and Tails plushies together? The police? I'd like to see them try. 

 

Now I just wanna know how we've gone this long without Shadow's iconic bunny suit.