TBBP VS BBP

[ComradeHX]

 

and that is the reason why HDT is garbage.

I must as "user" of the mods the work of the modder take over.

and very few people can do that, especially without knowledge of English.

 

german

und das ist der grund warum HDT nicht gut ist .

ich muß als nutzer des mods die arbeit der modder übernehmen .

und nur sehr wenige menschen können das ,vor allem ohne englisch kenntnisse .

 

 

HDT is garbage because it achieves greater results with more effort than other mods?

 

Working as intended.

[Visdagon]

"The HDT Physics Extention is an SKSE plugin written by Chinese modder HydrogensaysHDT. It uses the Skyrim included Havok physics engine to affect bodily parts: boobs, cape, dress or hair. It is pure, unadulterated genius." - Monsto Brukes

 

@winny257 Anything that improves bouncing boobs is not bad. Implementing it is even Very easy. Adjusting it however is different. Its still a pretty new system, but who knows, at some point there will be an MCM menu for bouncing breasts. Wouldn't that be great.

 

When people start adding modded content to their game they don't know shit. Skeletons? Textures? Physics? They just want their toon to look like that picture or they want this armor or this new spell system. As time goes on they eventually may be using TES5Edit and Wrye Bash with a few hundred mods that they had to learn how to get them all to play nice together. Simplifying a mod or system is great, but also if they want it bad enough they will make the effort to try as well. Meet in the middle.

 

Myself I just threw in the HDT files, snagged a template xml from LL and good enough. I am satisfied with the jiggle and wiggle enough that I won't learn to adjust it further, it hurts my tiny brain. Im still not sure how bbp, tbbp, or hdt really work. All I know is jiggle good, more jiggle magic please. That brings up a question.. which ill make another post for..

[Visdagon]

BBP and TBBP bodies are mesh files with "weight" painted on them correct? BUT you then have to have animation to make said "weight" affected, right?

i think thats right so ill move on

HDT is a scripted system that takes said "weighted" meshed and uses the in-game physics engine to affect the bodies. It does this without or regardless of animation? Other that HOW the movement happens, what exactly is the difference? Or is it entirely the same outcome (thus far) using a different means? How is this system any better? If it did Not use or require animations to do its job then I already see the advantage. You would just need the weighted body and the HDT system does the rest.

Anyone have a working knowledge of how these all work that could shed some light on these magical systems that have brought a smile to many a skyrim user?

[pinky6225]

I just almost died laughing when i read "Anything that improves bouncing boobs is not bad"

 

I tried HDT and i still have it for the shoes and hair but i didn't like how jiggle seemed to be applied to armor (being able to jiggle your boobs in leather bikini is one thing, iron breastplate sort of killds the immersion for me) as well.

 

Hopefully i'll learn how to turn that bit off eventually.

[blabba]

BBP and TBBP bodies are mesh files with "weight" painted on them correct? BUT you then have to have animation to make said "weight" affected, right?

i think thats right so ill move on

HDT is a scripted system that takes said "weighted" meshed and uses the in-game physics engine to affect the bodies. It does this without or regardless of animation? Other that HOW the movement happens, what exactly is the difference? Or is it entirely the same outcome (thus far) using a different means? How is this system any better? If it did Not use or require animations to do its job then I already see the advantage. You would just need the weighted body and the HDT system does the rest.

Anyone have a working knowledge of how these all work that could shed some light on these magical systems that have brought a smile to many a skyrim user?

 

You are right, the HDT system needsno animation files (in fact it collides with animations) HDT is greater than TBBP because it is animated simulation. Whereas HDT is ACTUAL physics simulation using a real physics engine.

 

There's a more accurate topic about all this and stuff over on the HDT physics Extension subforum. I highly suggest you read/search through topics there.

 

I just almost died laughing when i read "Anything that improves bouncing boobs is not bad"

 

I tried HDT and i still have it for the shoes and hair but i didn't like how jiggle seemed to be applied to armor (being able to jiggle your boobs in leather bikini is one thing, iron breastplate sort of killds the immersion for me) as well.

 

Hopefully i'll learn how to turn that bit off eventually.

 

Simple, remove the weight painting from the iron/metallic parts of the armor using 3dsMax/Blender or now even Outfit Studio!

Tedious work, but results are Oh so satisfying

[nvvm]

What's the difference between a mod that comes in CBBE HDT vs CBBE TBBP vs CBBE TBBP HDT ?  

I keep coming across mods that have the first two options do not always include the 3rd option, which seems to be the complete one, while offering a UNPB or 7b TBBP HDT.

 

I have come across some that read CBBE TBBP HDT so it's confusing. It seems that some modders adamantly dislike CBBE beyond simply preferring UNP/UPNB which is ironic to me. I guess what I am getting at is from all my research it just seems to be preference but they act as if CBBE is inferior in some way, is it ?

 

Thanks and long time lurker, I came here to mod sims 3 initially.

[Gameplayer]

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Rise!

 

I command thee to come back from the great beyond!

Arise from dose grave and walk the FORUMS once more!

 

HDT is a physics package that doesn't need specially made animations for it.

 

TBBP and also BBP require that all animations that the character can possibly perform are specifically key framed for the boobs and ass to move at all.

 

What this basically means is that HDT has the advantage that the animator doesn't even have to key frame the tits and ass for each frame of movement, that's a big plus also in that as a downloader I don't have to worry if the animation has that, cause HDT is going to make it work.

 

TBBP/HDT means that the file comes with TBBP and HDT options.  TBBP/HDT isn't some third thing.

[nvvm]

Thanks! Makes a lot more sense now. I see how I got confused and it's impressive that your understood exactly what I was thinking.

 

I came across something that said their were different versions to CBBE v3 or something like that so looking at unp, unpb, unpe, uunpb, unpk and blah blah.

Too many unless they're all compatible, anyway, I began to think thank bbp, tbbp, hdt were the "versions" and that UNPB and all it's cousins had TBBP and BBP for compatibility.

 

Yeah, ... probably information overload.. ... this is my first time playing Skyrim.

 

*runs back to rock and hides*

 

 

[Gameplayer]

Thanks! Makes a lot more sense now. I see how I got confused and it's impressive that your understood exactly what I was thinking.

 

I came across something that said their were different versions to CBBE v3 or something like that so looking at unp, unpb, unpe, uunpb, unpk and blah blah.

Too many unless they're all compatible, anyway, I began to think thank bbp, tbbp, hdt were the "versions" and that UNPB and all it's cousins had TBBP and BBP for compatibility.

 

Yeah, ... probably information overload.. ... this is my first time playing Skyrim.

 

*runs back to rock and hides*

 

I'd suggest getting familiar with this program then.

 

"Bodyslide"

 

Its a universal body system, the program allows for people like myself that make conversions to provide to downloaders the means to move three levers and push a button and have the body and the outfits all fit.

 

I use the UUNP version and you can search it up on Nexus.

 

I made "The Book of UUNP"

 

Comes with 220+ armor parts and is an Armor Addon that is fully integrated into the Vanilla game.

 

Comes with HDT and No HDT option.

 

With that you can pick a body style and have a whole slew of armors that will fit it, takes about 3 minutes for the meshes to export from the program after your selection.

[Alexandersmith7]

I use the waiting modification from bodyslide 2 to modify all my animations that includes jiggle for both up and down body and you don't even need to modify HDT or whatever body u use there is also a mod out on nexus where you can change body types in game meaning you could have one set to bbp and another tbbp and another hdt. the only problem is hdt screws up with tbbp and bbp animations I cant even use 360 walk or run animation because hdt does not support it and he needs to change that or simply make his own 360 walk and run animation for hdt camera.

[FackJuSt3am]

Hi @All

 

Im am a new "User"

 

and I must really say it's sometimes ....and moretimes, hard to see what happend with Mods

everithing People make it but not every can.

...Hey i have a mod load it her ..and you should have this and this and load another < Holy Moly >

the names of the Mods ....Uih .....what?

 

Good, enough for the moment, I am an German People - East german People  who have a little bit far from Englisch as the "Old Germans"

And my wish is : a description for Playing with

:

Nice Faces, not only the same like Gothic or cruely Arcania

Possible Fucking All .....i mean the most   

And a description what ist HDT BBP CBBE .....and what collide whit another, should i have 1531 Animations?

Thats the questions that i Have.

 

Every help is on Fucking Youtube i have only cellphone  Net with among 5 GB per month

 

Sorry for my English!

 

Very Big Thanks for All Scripters, Modders, and "Teachers"