My only disappointment with NG+ [spoilers]

[TheRightDoorIsNotTheLeft]

8 hours ago, Djlegends said:

huh
https://www.nexusmods.com/starfield/mods/11533

That doesn't hide the tracker quest permanently. Delayed start doesn't mean never.

Edited September 13, 2024 by TheRightDoorIsNotTheLeft

[DocClox]

7 hours ago, brown66 said:

Beauty is always subjective, but the truth is that in the real world, the vast majority of people are ugly!

 

Of course, in the real world, faster than light travel is still impossible.

[brown66]

4 hours ago, DocClox said:

 

Of course, in the real world, faster than light travel is still impossible.

 

Yes, we currently don't know how to travel faster than light, because our scientific knowledge of space travel is limited to the theory of relativity.

 

However, you played the main quest of Starfield and you know almost with absolute certainty how humanity, in this game, reached the scientific knowledge that allowed the gravitational jump (= travel faster light). Whereas, there are today those who theorize that perhaps this is possible (read A Brief Story of Time, by Stephen Hawkings).

 

Now imagine that in this game, which takes place in the future, there wasn't the gravitational jump, an almost omnipresent feature in all science fiction works since the television series Star Trek was launched in the 60s of the last century? Haters of this game would still be making a fuss over this omission, asking how it is possible to create a science fiction game with space travel where you can't travel faster than light. In terms of realism, it bothers me more to hear the sounds of enemy ships exploding when we destroy them in space, than to be able to make the gravitational jump.

 

As for when the game takes place, all women (at least these...) are beautiful and look like Barbie Girls... Nope, science more easily discovers the gravitational jump than women all become physically beautiful, only based on the natural genetic selection that has dictated their physical appearance until now.

 

In fact, the genetic predictions for humanity's "beauty" are, for women in the future, to move even further away from the Western beauty standard that many here would like to see in Starfield's female NPCs, since currently these women generally have few children. Therefore, the female NPCs you see in Starfield, realistically, should be even uglier, considering that the game takes place 300 years from now.

 

Conclusion: It's possible that 300 years from now, humanity will already know how to do the gravity jump and that women will be even uglier than what we see in Starfield. That's why it's good that Bethesda, for now!!!, still allows us to create and use mods that change the bodies of NPCs, so that each of us can put into the game the human bodies that we think are the real ones (and beautiful to look at), since Bethesda's creatives are all a bunch of incompetents.

 

😇

Edited September 13, 2024 by brown66
English corretion.

[Wandering_Mania]

1 hour ago, brown66 said:

However, you played the main quest of Starfield and you know almost with absolute certainty how humanity, in this game, reached the scientific knowledge that allowed the gravitational jump (= travel faster light).

FTL travel is impossible. And that's not really what the 'Gravity Drive' does, or how it would theoretically work. But I'll let this explain it:

Spoiler

 

Now you may say, "that's just a movie", and all that; But the theory is relatively sound. The writers of that movie did their homework.

[DocClox]

6 hours ago, brown66 said:

Conclusion: It's possible that 300 years from now, humanity will already know how to do the gravity jump and that women will be even uglier than what we see in Starfield. That's why it's good that Bethesda, for now!!!, still allows us to create and use mods that change the bodies of NPCs, so that each of us can put into the game the human bodies that we think are the real ones (and beautiful to look at), since Bethesda's creatives are all a bunch of incompetents.

 

The point I wanted to make was that I'm quite happy to have my fantasy and SF games littered with unrealistically good-looking woment, to go alongside the unrealistic spells and currently impossible high technology.

 

I mean not everyone has to be attractive, but I don't see why they all need to look like goblins.

[DocClox]

4 hours ago, Wandering_Mania said:

FTL travel is impossible.

 

That's an awkward one, semantically.

 

Traveling through normal spacetime with a velocity > C is imposible. However, the Grav Drive enables someone to travel from one planet to another faster than could be achieved by traveling at light speed. So it enables faster than light travel, even if the speed of light is not exceeded at any point in the journey. So "faster than light travel" doesn't necessarily mean "velocity in excess of C"

 

(Not looking to pick holes, btw; I've just seen too many arguments where each side assumed a different interpretation of the term FTL).

[Wandering_Mania]

1 hour ago, DocClox said:

 

That's an awkward one, semantically.

 

Traveling through normal spacetime with a velocity > C is imposible. However, the Grav Drive enables someone to travel from one planet to another faster than could be achieved by traveling at light speed. So it enables faster than light travel, even if the speed of light is not exceeded at any point in the journey. So "faster than light travel" doesn't necessarily mean "velocity in excess of C"

 

(Not looking to pick holes, btw; I've just seen too many arguments where each side assumed a different interpretation of the term FTL).

Well, that's what that clip from 'Event Horizon' explains quite nicely. It's not FTL travel, it's more of a 'gateway', or 'portal'. Bending/folding space time so the 2 points exist at the same place at once, and just moving through it at normal speed. The shortest path between 2 points being zero; Or no path, because they are in the same place at the same time.

 

And it's impossible to go faster than light speed; Because as you approach what we perceive to be the 'normal speed of light', the speed of light increases; Because if it didn't, you would be in complete darkness, unable to see where you where going.

 

So there's not really any semantics involved, just science. Some proven, some theoretical, but science none the less.

[Miauzi]

Vor 2 Stunden sagte DocClox:

 

Der Punkt, den ich ansprechen wollte, war, dass ich ziemlich froh bin, dass meine Fantasy- und SF-Spiele mit unrealistisch gut aussehenden Frauen übersät sind, neben den unrealistischen Zaubersprüchen und der derzeit unmöglichen Hochtechnologie.

 

Ich meine, nicht jeder muss attraktiv sein, aber ich verstehe nicht, warum sie alle wie Kobolde aussehen müssen.

 

I have no idea - but it seems to me as if the user has a pretty disturbed relationship with us women.

[Miauzi]

Vor 20 Minuten sagte Wandering_Mania:

Nun, das erklärt dieser Clip aus „Event Horizon“ recht gut. Es handelt sich nicht um FTL-Reisen, sondern eher um ein „Gateway“ oder „Portal“. Biegen/Falten der Raumzeit, sodass die beiden Punkte gleichzeitig am selben Ort existieren und sich einfach mit normaler Geschwindigkeit durch diesen Ort bewegen. Der kürzeste Weg zwischen zwei Punkten ist Null; Oder keinen Weg, weil sie zur gleichen Zeit am selben Ort sind.

 

Und es ist unmöglich, schneller als mit Lichtgeschwindigkeit zu fahren; Denn wenn man sich der unserer Wahrnehmung nach „normalen Lichtgeschwindigkeit“ nähert, nimmt die Lichtgeschwindigkeit zu; Denn wenn das nicht der Fall wäre, stünden Sie in völliger Dunkelheit und könnten nicht sehen, wohin Sie gehen.

 

Es geht also eigentlich nicht um Semantik, sondern nur um Wissenschaft. Einige davon sind bewiesen, andere theoretisch, aber dennoch wissenschaftlich.

 

The speed of light does NOT increase when you approach it.

 

What they do not take into account is the term "reference system" ... that is why the speed of the "spaceship" system is irrelevant to the light IN the spaceship.

 

You also do not notice the relativistic "time dilation" IN the flying spaceship.

 

But if you look through a window IN the direction of flight - consider objects OUTSIDE the "spaceship" reference system -> you will definitely notice a change ... for example that the wavelength of the light of the objects you are observing changes - and that the faster you fly, the more the "blackness" in front of you spreads out (the wavelength then quickly enters the range of X-ray radiation)

 

And of course you can try to measure the speed of light IN and AGAINST the direction of flight IN the spaceship - so to speak, do the "Michelson-Morley experiment" (on the world ether) ... what will the result be?

[DocClox]

1 hour ago, Miauzi said:

I have no idea - but it seems to me as if the user has a pretty disturbed relationship with us women.

 

If enjoying looking at pretty women on the computer screen means a disturbed relationship with women, then that describes the majority of men. And a lot of women, too, in my experience.

 

[DocClox]

1 hour ago, Wandering_Mania said:

So there's not really any semantics involved, just science

 

Semantics are about meaning. Science is about describing how the world works. They are not mutually exclusive.

 

If you say "traveling faster than light" that could mean exceeding the velocity of light. But it could also, in common parlance, mean traveling from point A to point B in a shorter time than would be possible by moving at lightspeed.

 

In the first usage, FTL travel is impossible. In the second it is not.

 

Of course, the entire problem goes away if instead of "FTL travel is impossible" you say "exceeding the speed of light is impossible".

 

Semantics.

 

[Djlegends]

2 hours ago, DocClox said:

 

If enjoying looking at pretty women on the computer screen means a disturbed relationship with women, then that describes the majority of men. And a lot of women, too, in my experience.

 

well sims 4 modding community is a perfect example

[DocClox]

I haven't engaged with the Sims modding scene at all.

[Wandering_Mania]

3 hours ago, DocClox said:

Semantics are about meaning. Science is about describing how the world works. They are not mutually exclusive.

 

If you say "traveling faster than light" that could mean exceeding the velocity of light. But it could also, in common parlance, mean traveling from point A to point B in a shorter time than would be possible by moving at lightspeed.

 

In the first usage, FTL travel is impossible. In the second it is not.

 

Of course, the entire problem goes away if instead of "FTL travel is impossible" you say "exceeding the speed of light is impossible".

 

Semantics.

 

Well, your arguing semantics about wording. All I'm saying is that, the way a gravity drive works, no 'Faster Than Light/FTL' speeds are ever reached, or even needed. And that's because of the way it works.

 

I'll explain it even simpler.

Say you walk 2 steps, in two cases. The first case with normal circumstances. The second with a gravity drive in play.

 

- In the first case, you would end up two steps away from where you started.

 

- In the second case, you could end up on an entirely different planet. 500,000 light years away.

 

So even under "normal" light speed travel, it would take 500,000 years to reach that destination. But because space was folded to co-exist in the same place and time, it was an instantaneous jump. Two locations, in normal circumstances, connected by the gravity drive's generated portal, or gateway. Just watch that clip, he explains it quite well. And much better than I can.

 

5 hours ago, Miauzi said:

 

The speed of light does NOT increase when you approach it.

 

What they do not take into account is the term "reference system" ... that is why the speed of the "spaceship" system is irrelevant to the light IN the spaceship.

 

You also do not notice the relativistic "time dilation" IN the flying spaceship.

 

But if you look through a window IN the direction of flight - consider objects OUTSIDE the "spaceship" reference system -> you will definitely notice a change ... for example that the wavelength of the light of the objects you are observing changes - and that the faster you fly, the more the "blackness" in front of you spreads out (the wavelength then quickly enters the range of X-ray radiation)

 

And of course you can try to measure the speed of light IN and AGAINST the direction of flight IN the spaceship - so to speak, do the "Michelson-Morley experiment" (on the world ether) ... what will the result be?

 

What you just said makes no sense. The human eye requires the intake of light waves bouncing off of objects, for the brain to process them as being there.

 

So if one is approaching the speed of light, the speed of light MUST increase simply for that person to continue to see. If you travel faster than the waves of light, complete darkness would ensue; Because your eyes would no longer be able to pick up, or register, those light waves that you are traveling faster than.

[DocClox]

On 9/14/2024 at 12:01 PM, Wandering_Mania said:

Well, your arguing semantics about wording.

 

Well yes. That's what "semantics" means.

 

The point I'm trying to get at is that if you say "FTL travel", then the wording has two valid interpretations. One of them is "traveling through space at velocity > C", the other one is "going from point A to point B in less time than it would take a photon moving through normal space".

 

If you use the term to mean one thing, and someone else uses the same wording to mean the other interpretation, then it's possible to have vast and acrimonious debates where neither side is fundamentally in disagreement if they'd only express themselves with clarity.

 

There's a whole generation of nitwits on Reddit that have grown up parroting "but that's just semantics" to wave away any argument for which they didn't have a pat answer. In turn, that's led to a lot of people thinking that "semantics" means "unimportant".

 

That is not the case. Semantics matter.

 

[edit]

 

OK. This hobby horse is starting to get uncomfortable now. I think I'll climb off it and leave the field to someone else.

Edited September 16, 2024 by DocClox

[Miauzi]

Vor 25 Minuten sagte Wandering_Mania:

Nun, Ihre streitende Semantik über die Formulierung. Ich sage nur, dass bei der Funktionsweise eines Schwerkraftantriebs niemals Geschwindigkeiten erreicht werden, die schneller als das Licht sind, oder gar benötigt werden. Und das liegt an der Art und Weise, wie es funktioniert.

 

Ich erkläre es noch einfacher.

Angenommen, Sie gehen in zwei Fällen zwei Schritte. Der erste Fall mit normalen Umständen. Der zweite mit einem Schwerkraftantrieb im Spiel.

 

- Im ersten Fall wären Sie zwei Schritte von Ihrem Ausgangspunkt entfernt.

 

- Im zweiten Fall könnten Sie auf einem ganz anderen Planeten landen. 500.000 Lichtjahre entfernt.

 

Selbst bei „normaler“ Lichtgeschwindigkeitsreise würde es also 500.000 Jahre dauern, bis dieses Ziel erreicht ist. Da der Raum jedoch so gefaltet war, dass er am selben Ort und zur gleichen Zeit koexistierte, war es ein augenblicklicher Sprung. Unter normalen Umständen sind zwei Standorte durch das vom Schwerkraftantrieb erzeugte Portal oder Gateway verbunden. Schauen Sie sich einfach diesen Clip an, er erklärt es ganz gut. Und viel besser, als ich kann.

 

 

Was Sie gerade gesagt haben, ergibt keinen Sinn. Das menschliche Auge benötigt die Aufnahme von Lichtwellen, die von Objekten reflektiert werden, damit das Gehirn sie als vorhanden verarbeiten kann.

 

Wenn man sich also der Lichtgeschwindigkeit nähert, MUSS die Lichtgeschwindigkeit zunehmen, damit die Person weiterhin sehen kann. Wenn Sie schneller reisen als die Lichtwellen, würde völlige Dunkelheit eintreten; Denn Ihre Augen könnten die Lichtwellen, mit denen Sie sich schneller fortbewegen, nicht mehr wahrnehmen oder registrieren.

 

Many people use the term "relativity theory" ... but they don't even begin to understand it.

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And within the framework of this forum I have no way of giving you the physics and mathematics lessons you need!

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Just this much... inside the spaceship it is completely irrelevant how fast the spaceship is moving... ergo the light is not interested in it either!

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Of course this seems to contradict everyday experience... but in a train that is traveling at a constant speed (STRAIGHT) - i.e. free from any acceleration (including any vibrations from the track) - you cannot determine whether the train is moving or standing still... unless you look outside through the windows - and this is exactly where you make a connection from the "train" reference system to the "environment" reference system.

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And if you now come up with the example of the falling ball in a moving train ... this is exactly what fails if you replace the ball with light - why did I mention the "ether" experiment

 

P.S.

And if it weren't for that - that "thing" with the special and general theory of relativity... then no GPS on Earth would be so precise - that you could use it to navigate a car!

[Wandering_Mania]

9 minutes ago, Miauzi said:

Just this much... inside the spaceship it is completely irrelevant how fast the spaceship is moving... ergo the light is not interested in it either!

But that's the thing; It WOULD be completely relevant. As those waves of light inside the ship, are at that point, moving faster than the waves of light outside the ship. Thus, the speed of light for those waves, IS increasing; As the ship is pushing them along as well.

 

Your attempting to explain away a paradoxical equation, without taking into account that EVERYTHING, including the waves of light in that vehicle, is being moved with the vehicle. Thus, for that light, it's speed is increasing.

[Miauzi]

Vor 57 Minuten sagte Wandering_Mania:

Aber das ist die Sache; Es WÄRE völlig relevant. Da sich die Lichtwellen im Inneren des Schiffes an diesem Punkt befinden, bewegen sie sich schneller als die Lichtwellen außerhalb des Schiffes. Somit nimmt die Lichtgeschwindigkeit dieser Wellen zu; Da das Schiff sie auch vorantreibt.

 

Sie versuchen, eine paradoxe Gleichung zu erklären, ohne zu berücksichtigen, dass ALLES, einschließlich der Lichtwellen in diesem Fahrzeug, mit dem Fahrzeug bewegt wird. Daher nimmt die Geschwindigkeit dieses Lichts zu.

 

Yes - the light is moved with the vehicle... but it does NOT increase its speed - that is the core statement of the special theory of relativity.

Because what should ensure that the light is "attached" to the vehicle and thus "pulled along"??

 

I have no idea what they may have learned about this in school when they were children or young... but the speed of light is a fundamental constant in our universe.

 

But no matter what I say... they will ignore it... and to be honest -> it's the weekend and I'm currently playing WoWS.

 

P.S.

 

The main error in thinking is the fact that the "simple" addition of speeds (which "works" for very low speeds in relation to the speed of light) must NOT be applied to speeds close to "c" (i.e. the speed of light) ... because the formula DOES NOT APPLY here!

Instead, you have to use the "relativistic addition" of speeds ... as described in the special theory of relativity ... and then you will be amazed to find that "c" does NOT increase in a moving system!

PERIOD

Edited September 14, 2024 by Miauzi

[Wandering_Mania]

59 minutes ago, Miauzi said:

Yes - the light is moved with the vehicle... but it does NOT increase its speed - that is the core statement of the special theory of relativity.

Again: It's paradoxical, and all relative. It's speed is faster than the unaffected light outside the vehicle, thus, relatively speaking, is increasing in speed.

 

We are going in circles here, and this is way off topic anyway. So can we just get back on topic?

[brown66]

This mod answers one of the most common criticisms of NG+.

 

https://www.nexusmods.com/starfield/mods/7309

 

Unfortunately, based on the comments, it appears that it's no longer working 100% with the latest game updates.

[nIn nIn nIn]

18 hours ago, brown66 said:

This mod answers one of the most common criticisms of NG+.

 

https://www.nexusmods.com/starfield/mods/7309

 

Unfortunately, based on the comments, it appears that it's no longer working 100% with the latest game updates.

 

Yeah, it's not working like it says on the packet anymore.

 

What I get after every NG+ is a gun and a helmet that I took through before the last update. That is consistent. Both are vanilla items. But even on release the mod only worked with vanilla stuff. Mod stuff never went through. Remember this mod was created using xedit not the CK.

 

So yeah, it's broken. May as well uninstall it.