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Done ^^

But I'm also curious if they will find out something instead SHY.

becasue without it we lost main source of new plugins and mods.

There is of course loda.jp/moderteam/3dm but they never or rarely posted anything related to LoversPK there.

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Done ^^

But I'm also curious if they will find out something instead SHY.

becasue without it we lost main source of new plugins and mods.

There is of course loda.jp/moderteam/3dm but they never or rarely posted anything related to LoversPK there.

 

This is something that has been bothering me as well, unfortunately I think we are the only ones that realize the impact of this. It is also not likely that a new server will be rented for Skyrim.

 

The few Japanese modders who I was able to talk to about this do not think that it will happen based off the Virus uploads and disregard of the rules and skyrims high pc requirements make it impossible for a lot of modders.

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Indeed

I'm on moderteam/3dm/gamesource and other forums for quite a while and have to agree about high pc requirements.

Most of the modders from foregin countries have low end pc(for todays standards ) but for modding and runing Oblivion they where just fine. Can't tell that about Skyrim.

 

Also Japanese people are kind touchy on Virus thing.

We have example on SHY.

Instead of shuting down SHY for period of time removing the virus and add some security they decided to shutdown SHY for good.

 

And gonna think twice before making host like that again.

In my opinion it may look like some other japanese modding forums where servers with various things are for japanese moders only. And as we know they don't like to share to much (SPB clothes password example )

 

So for now we are stuck with 3DM/Moderteam/Gamesrouce.ru

 

 

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Well' date=' one thing's for sure, if a SHY-like website were to be made it should be hosted in a place [b']OUTSIDE [/b]of the U.S. Given the nature of some of the pics that get uploaded, I think there will be some legal issues if the site were to be hosted here in America.

 

The supreme court ruling on images like that fall under the 1st amendment unless your talking about real photo's and then it is a felony If it contains Bestiality or child porn.

 

So a US host would be more ideal then many other countries where the laws are far more severe.

 

Indeed

I'm on moderteam/3dm/gamesource and other forums for quite a while and have to agree about high pc requirements.

Most of the modders from foregin countries have low end pc(for todays standards ) but for modding and runing Oblivion they where just fine. Can't tell that about Skyrim.

 

Also Japanese people are kind touchy on Virus thing.

We have example on SHY.

Instead of shuting down SHY for period of time removing the virus and add some security they decided to shutdown SHY for good.

 

And gonna think twice before making host like that again.

In my opinion it may look like some other japanese modding forums where servers with various things are for japanese moders only. And as we know they don't like to share to much (SPB clothes password example )

 

So for now we are stuck with 3DM/Moderteam/Gamesrouce.ru

 

 

 

One thing that gives me hope, I was looking at the users online earlier today and I saw a lot of Japanese and Chinese user names that were logged in.

 

I know that I am going to sound like a broken record on this issue but the benefits of creating sub forums for Japanese, Chinese and Russian language users far out weigh any possible negative out come if there even is any. No one has offered an intelligent reason as to why it would be a bad idea.

 

Ashal wants this site to grow, Most of us myself included want this site to grow and now that a reasonable way to help the site grow comes a long we are all still scratching our nuts.

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One thing that gives me hope, I was looking at the users online earlier today and I saw a lot of Japanese and Chinese user names that were logged in.

 

I know that I am going to sound like a broken record on this issue but the benefits of creating sub forums for Japanese, Chinese and Russian language users far out weigh any possible negative out come if there even is any. No one has offered an intelligent reason as to why it would be a bad idea.

 

Ashal wants this site to grow, Most of us myself included want this site to grow and now that a reasonable way to help the site grow comes a long we are all still scratching our nuts.

 

 

Well to be honest most of the chinese modders where attracted here just to keep eye if we don't post something from moderteam/3dm for free while it cost gold there :P

 

And about specific sub forums for foreginers...kinda low chances for that.

At least for now.

 

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Uh, well. Creating sub forums for different languages would require new mods that can speak both english and the languages that are used in the sub forums. And since Ashal didn't really bother (no offense, Ashal) to make clear what content exactly isn't allowed here I doubt he would want to put so much effort into this whole stuff.

 

For example, loli content. Quite popular in some japanese communities. Imagine the shitstorm. Not only the banhammer would find many new victims but also some users here would gladly participate in 'my morale is better than yours'.

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Agree.

Also Russian modding community have Gamesource.ru.

When I spoke with few of the members there and on nexus they rather stick with theri native language forums/websites than coming to foregin one.

 

Japanese people have the same attitude or even worse since they like to keep mods for themself (SPB example again :P )

 

And like Grim said we kinda lack the proper rulz so it would be one big mess with all those new sub forums.

 

Also for now we should stick with improving forum (at least by adding technical support to Skyrim section ) etc.

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Agree.

Also Russian modding community have Gamesource.ru.

When I spoke with few of the members there and on nexus they rather stick with theri native language forums/websites than coming to foregin one.

 

Japanese people have the same attitude or even worse since they like to keep mods for themself (SPB example again :P )

 

And like Grim said we kinda lack the proper rulz so it would be one big mess with all those new sub forums.

 

Also for now we should stick with improving forum (at least by adding technical support to Skyrim section ) etc.

 

Valid points from both you and grim, which is something that this topic lacked before.

 

I cannot dissagree entirely on the point of Japanese modder's not sharing but we should remember that these forums were born so that there would be a home for the english translation of loverspk mods. So to say they do not share is not exactly a fair argument considering that most of the loverspk uploads are translations of the mods they did share.

 

It also important to say that since shy is closing down the original Japanese versions also need a new home before they are lost forever.

 

I should have been more clear on what I was suggesting from the beginning.

 

I was not suggesting anything massive in scope, only a new home for Japanese versions of loverspk mods, and possibly skyrim adaptions.

It seemed to me to only make sense in creating a subforums for them.

 

I suppose you are right about Russian modders though, I forgot about gamesource.ru its been a long long time since I visited there.

 

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Let's just suppose that LoversLab would be a new home for SHY uploaders. The question now is, how do we go about contacting them? Does anyone even have any connections to those guys? How can we market LoversLab as the "next" SHY website? As much as I appreciate TESNexus, AnvilBay, and Moderteam (to name a few examples), I don't really like how they impose rules, restrictions, and even "payment" methods to access files. This is why I enjoy LoversLab so much; it's open and accessible, and for the most part everyone is friendly and helpful here. I would LOVE for our foreign and/or pro-modders to migrate over here...

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Isn't distrust bred from failure to communicate? Or is that a naive supposition? I think hosting at least the original japanese LoversPK sounds like it could be good for the english speaking and the japanese speaking communities to better support each other. I think regardless of any negative feelings that arise through contact between the two communities, there is a natural desire to share work.

 

There are bad examples of where this is not true, but those bad examples should not be given so much power by assuming that it is the norm to be selfish and base.

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Chances to LL become new Shy = 0%

Also chinese modders already don't like LL to much becasue of few people and their comments.

 

LL don't even have basic rulz not and if you want to handle multi nation forum with their own sub categories we need strict rulz.

 

Otherwise it would soon turn into one big 4chan mess.

 

So like I said Chinese modders are here but they only visit from time to time.

Russiand modders like RVS2 is also here and few other modders from gamesource.ru but they also decided not to post or even write anything in here.

Since RV hate's all kinds of community and if he ever decide to join forum it will be he's one, and for now he post he's work on casualmods.

Same thing with rest of the rusian modders they speak/post everything on gamesource.ru since they have their own web and forum.

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True but livedoor.jp don't have the most recent Oblivion Plugins (not sure if they update it ) like Slave Trade or Victims.

 

And well Shy was the most know source of getting latest updates and info about clothes or WIP projects.

 

Japanese modders have their own forums and host so for them it's not big deal that SHy is down but for foregiers is kinda big hit (well at least no more spam in What mod is this :P )

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Yes, SHY was mainly an image gallery but clearly a number of uploaders were modders themselves showcasing their works. It's not really SHY that I want, but rather the modders themselves to migrate over here to LoversLab to display (and most importantly, distribute) their mods. But if what Firedoom and HanPL said are true about rivalries and distrust between communities, then I guess it wouldn't matter whether or not these modders make it over here... :(

 

Our only other option would be for some of us to step up and learn how to mod...

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I didn't mean to suggest that distrust and rivalry is the norm, I actually meant to suggest the opposite. I know that sometimes people get angry and raise hell and those people tend to get alot of attention and ruffle everyone's feathers.

 

But I think that the total amount of cooperation between the various groups is beginning to become significant. Even if it doesn't get as much attention.

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If I may interject just for a moment, allow me to make a proposal. I do apologize for its length.

 

I don’t feel the loss of SHY is as substantial as many feel it is. I agree with the assessment that SKY was largely an image gallery. Though it was SKY that ultimately led me to find LL, most of my downloading is done from LL and Loda sources and I’m sure that is true for many LL members.

 

There seems to be the general consensus of the staff and participating users of Lovers Lab would like to see the site grow and I feel GSB is correct in his statement that this event does pose an opportunity. Each international modding community has its own major mod hub, as Han as already pointed out. I feel this is true for most cases except the joint English/European community. We’re stuck with Nexus. Which I have no doubt, we all share the same low opinion of.

Instead of looking to see how we can merge international communities, who may not be cooperative to begin with, why don’t we take this opportunity to really establish LL as the English/European hub opposite Nexus. I don’t propose working with Nexus…hell no, screw em. We however can continue to build and develop the Lovers system here in house. We have access to the same tools and we have our own talent pool. Look and what Loogie and the guys are doing with Sexout!

 

What I propose is that Lover’s Lab step up and takes ownership as the English/European source for Lovers development. Make it ours. Why do we need to sit back and wait for an Eastern modder to come up with a lovers esp just so we can tweak it some or translate it?

 

We have the talent, we just need to organize and focus it in a concentrated direction. The only real hang up that I cannot account for is distribution, and that is because securing distribution takes bandwidth, and bandwidth takes cash and I’m not about to speak for Ashal once finance is concerned. It’s a serious decision that can cripple a site if it gets itself into a position where it’s asking for donations/subscriptions to support distribution requirements and it scares off its members.

 

In regards to sub-forums to accommodate our Russian and Eastern counterparts, I have to side against it as well. This idea is a noble one, but it would resort in cultural and policy litigation quagmire for the Admin staff here.

 

Once a foreign language sub-forum is created it introduces two major factors, first is the tension between the dominate languages on the forum and between those who can’t understand each other. You’ll always have someone worried about the other shit talking and conspiring again the other. Since there is already tension between us and the Eastern mod community, I’m sure you agree that it would be playing with fire.

 

The second element the sub-forum adds to the community is that they will bring in their own internet culture, which may not blend well with ours. Unless a user is at least bilingual and can fluently participate in a foreign sphere of the web, there will be unexpected complications. When you inject a community with several members who can’t communicate with the governing body, which is where the trouble begins. Examples of this can include the charging for mods, having to be a national to access mod, and the posting of content we’d otherwise stay away from like loli. There is a pretty good reason most of our current Eastern members don’t post anything, the language barrier. In addition, how would we feel if we were given a little sub-forum on a Chinese site? No real control over the forum itself or a voice in the policies which govern our little English speaking board. I feel that the obstacles of the language barrier and not having the appropriate people in place to coordinate such a joining would result in its failure.

 

Now you guys are free to completely ignore this little essay, it won’t hurt my feelings a bit. I just figured I’d share a little bit from my experience and opinions in hopes that it may help somewhere.

 

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@ Kodiak:

 

I would love to be able to get stuff from Loda but for some reason it takes forever and half to access websites from that domain, and sometimes I just completely server time-out. At least with SHY, even if it was just an image gallery, it was quick and there were occasional mods for download. And if anything, we could grab a screenshot and ask here at LoversLab if anyone happens to know of the particular outfit or mod. I'm not really asking for LoversLab to become another SHY but it would be nice for it to showcase and store many of the rarer mods like what SHY did.

 

I agree, I don't think it would be wise to work with TESNexus. They're already on a league of their own and we are better off doing things "in-house" as you say. This is why I appreciate what the guys of CLS and Sexout are doing.

 

I think many of the users here not only have great ideas, but also have hidden talents. The only problem (IMO, and personally-speaking) is that we don't know where to begin. Anyone can simply link us to the TES CS site for tutorials on scripting, but upon closer inspection the tutorials are either somewhat vague or just outdated (as I've mentioned a few times before), making it that much harder for a total newbie to even follow step-by-step with the modding process. I'm aware that I'm whining. I'll even swallow my pride and admit that I wish someone could hold my hand and walk me through these tutorials. But alas, that is indeed wishful thinking and I understand that to get better I really have to go through lots of trial and errors, and put in effort. But, for example, when I can't even set up Blender to work with Oblivion files properly (due to poor or outdated instructions), then that's enough for me to pretty much give up. It's pretty discouraging to realize right there and then that I can't even start on the actual challenging parts of the modding process because of a time-consuming roadblock at the very beginning.

 

This is why I hope that with Skyrim's release, pro-modders would feel inclined to write up some updated and clear tutorial guides, and there will be more user-friendly mod toolsets, like a more intuitive TES Construction Set for example. Yeah, but I can only hope...

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There's a reason you can't find simple, 'step by step' tutorials for Blender. It (like all 3D rendering packages) has one of the steepest learning curves of all. I'd rather write a tutorial on BIND administration (thats DNS) then 'Modeling weighted meshes and exporting to Oblivion in Blender'.

 

There have been many valiant efforts, most of which fall short. Screen shots generally don't help. Have you seen how many buttons, widgets, rollouts, tabs, dropdowns and keystrokes (yes, you use your keyboard lots) Blender has? It would terrify an expert in Excel!

 

When I'm following a guide, (I hold a 'step by step' tutorial does not exist for rendering. There are so MANY steps!), images generally only work for me when they are of a specific panel with options pointed out. Those that show full screens are often pretty useless.

 

The trick is to experiment, expect to fail utterly and start again, avoiding the mistake you made last time. Repeatedly!!!

 

Yes, it's frustrating, which is WHY so few people do original meshes or animations.

 

In short, 'Blender for Dummies' isn't going to happen. (grin).

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@ Symon:

 

Eh, my original post was too long so I'll just keep it short then...

 

TL;DR - I'm completely aware of Blender's steep learning curve (especially after having tried it myself), but it's not like I'm asking for a "Blender for Dummies" or anything like that. Like with any creative piece of work, it's going to be 1% imagination and 99% perspiration. I just wish I knew how I should set up my workspace specifically for Oblivion, in accordance to the latest version of Blender. Secondly, I think it wouldn't hurt to give a few examples of before/after or right/wrong screenshots. They would go a long way to helping a total newbie.

 

@ greatwulf:

 

Could you also post the Loda site link for Oblivion, please? Much appreciated... :)

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