Loneliness

[KoolHndLuke]

On 5/27/2024 at 5:49 AM, Wandering_Mania said:

It's a downward spiral of the collapse of civilization. And all because of some fad, some trend.

But that's just my theory. All speculation, based on what I have personally seen going on.

Ever heard of the "mouse utopia" experiments? I hadn't either until very recently. A research study on mice living in as perfect conditions as possible in a closed environment. And no matter how many times they did this, the colony collapsed spectacularly after reaching a certain population. the entire mouse social structure completely broke down and every last one of them were either killed by other mice or died of acute apathy.

 

One young very intelligent Ytube host I follow occasionally has put this forth as a possible explanation of our current circumstances. I also posited a reason as to why it happened; because the mice were trapped and they knew it. No matter how gilded a cage it's still a cage. How many times have you heard people also complain about there being too many damn other people in the world? I'd say almost as many as I hear complain about loneliness- if not more.

 

Edited May 30, 2024 by KoolHndLuke

[Wandering_Mania]

11 hours ago, KoolHndLuke said:

Ever heard of the "mouse utopia" experiments? I hadn't either until very recently. A research study on mice living in as perfect conditions as possible in a closed environment. And no matter how many times they did this, the colony collapsed spectacularly after reaching a certain population. the entire mouse social structure completely broke down and every last one of them were either killed by other mice or died of acute apathy.

 

One young very intelligent Ytube host I follow occasionally has put this forth as a possible explanation of our current circumstances. I also posited a reason as to why it happened; because the mice were trapped and they knew it. No matter how gilded a cage it's still a cage. How many times have you heard people also complain about there being too many damn other people in the world? I'd say almost as many as I hear complain about loneliness- if not more.

 

Yup. It's called 'The Universe 25 experiment'. It is what we are going through now. It can still be reversed, but the sad fact is, that no one seems interested in doing such a thing. Or very few are intelligent enough these days to recognize that it is currently happening. They are all too worried about petty bullshit to be able to see the bigger picture.

Here's a link to the video of the experiment itself if you want to see it in full:

 

[KoolHndLuke]

3 hours ago, Wandering_Mania said:

It can still be reversed, but the sad fact is, that no one seems interested in doing such a thing

It can? How so?

 

Edited May 31, 2024 by KoolHndLuke

[Wandering_Mania]

7 hours ago, KoolHndLuke said:

It can? How so?

As far as I see it there's a few different things that need to be done:

1: Humans have to stop fighting over the petty bullshit.

2: Humans have to stop thinking only about themselves.

3: Humans have to start actively helping others if/where they can, weather they want to or not.

4: Humans have to drastically lower their standards on who is an 'acceptable mate'. (this one mainly concerning western 'terminally online' females)

5: Internet access, must be time restricted to the population. (And this coming from one who is always online for the reason of it being my only window into the world)

 

And I'm sure there's more than could be added to that list. But those are the only things I could think of off the top of my head.

[Psalam]

Reasonably well thought out but I do have some quibbles.

21 minutes ago, Wandering_Mania said:

1: Humans have to stop fighting over the petty bullshit.

The problem with this statement is who gets to choose what is petty bullshit and what is the important stuff. It does not take long watching the wheels of a democratic government in motion to discover that this question is recurrent, and fundamentally important.

23 minutes ago, Wandering_Mania said:

2: Humans have to stop thinking only about themselves.

Agree completely and without reservation.

23 minutes ago, Wandering_Mania said:

3: Humans have to start actively helping others if/where they can, weather they want to or not.

This is a throw back to 1 - who decides? Is giving an alcoholic, who desperately wants it, a bottle of liquor, helping him? He certainly thinks so, but is it really. Is "rescuing" people from their culturally imposed limitations helping them or cutting them loose from the only anchors that they know?

25 minutes ago, Wandering_Mania said:

4: Humans have to drastically lower their standards

This, of course, depends on the humans in question. While I generally agree, it isn't always true. "A man is happy not because he has everything he wants but because he has learned to be happy with what he has."

27 minutes ago, Wandering_Mania said:

5: Internet access, must be time restricted to the population

And this is just a rehash of number 4 - a special case if you like.

[Wandering_Mania]

3 hours ago, Psalam said:

The problem with this statement is who gets to choose what is petty bullshit and what is the important stuff. It does not take long watching the wheels of a democratic government in motion to discover that this question is recurrent, and fundamentally important.

Personally I would define 'petty' as things like, skin color, origin of birth, cosmetic looks, religion/beliefs, money, and generally all the other intangible baubles that are only seen as valuable but really aren't.

 

3 hours ago, Psalam said:

This is a throw back to 1 - who decides? Is giving an alcoholic, who desperately wants it, a bottle of liquor, helping him? He certainly thinks so, but is it really. Is "rescuing" people from their culturally imposed limitations helping them or cutting them loose from the only anchors that they know?

Well for instance: Those who have lots of money can easily help those who can even afford feed themselves, but don't.

But overall I'm talking about things that essential to survival, not something like the petty thing of giving some alcohol to someone who is addicted to it. Because at that point, it's the alcoholic that needs help getting off of that addiction.

 

3 hours ago, Psalam said:

This, of course, depends on the humans in question. While I generally agree, it isn't always true. "A man is happy not because he has everything he wants but because he has learned to be happy with what he has."

Well really what I'm speaking of directly is the 'western females' that deem only a 6 foot tall, 6 figure income, 6 inch 'equipment', are worthy of attention/reproduction. But there are other cases of having higher standards, when they are overall unwarranted.

 

3 hours ago, Psalam said:

And this is just a rehash of number 4 - a special case if you like.

Well, excessive internet use, has become a cause of the 'high standards'. But yeah, it's more of a '4A' than a '5'.

[Raven 54]

On 5/27/2024 at 3:40 AM, nIn nIn nIn said:

a little Bourbon at times

Mmmm Bourbon...

[Raven 54]

Responding to this page #2, all replies...

So get rid of all Government, all weapons of any kind, all wealth, all computer tech, all Religion, all the things that denote society or privilege, all color and Homogenize the world. 

The Big Reset as it were.

Back to the stone age.

Some Asshat would chip a spear point from flint and it would just all start again.

There are things I would like to say but rules prohibit saying them.

If you are different, don't fit in to the "Ideal" mold that everyone around you has had pushed into their minds by whatever source, then you don't have a chance, no opportunities.

I am and have always been different, took me years (I am Hardheaded) to figure out I just don't fit so quit trying.

I finally accepted Lonely is my lot in Life.

 

There is No Utopia.

Edited May 31, 2024 by Raven 54

[Vader666]

On 5/30/2024 at 3:36 PM, KoolHndLuke said:

A research study on mice living in as perfect conditions as possible in a closed environment. And no matter how many times they did this, the colony collapsed spectacularly after reaching a certain population.

 

Spoiler

 

 

In a perfect world you have no goals to work towards and therefore no purpose.

Without a purpose existence itself becomes the cage.

[Wandering_Mania]

2 hours ago, Raven 54 said:

So get rid of all Government, all weapons of any kind, all wealth, all computer tech, all Religion, all the things that denote society or privilege, all color and Homogenize the world. 

The Big Reset as it were.

If that's the way you took what I said; Then I can only say, that you must have misunderstood what I was saying, and what my point was.

 

Because I wasn't saying 'get rid of them'. I was saying that humans need to stop fighting over them. And let every last one of the aforementioned things coexist peacefully.

[Raven 54]

1 hour ago, Wandering_Mania said:

If that's the way you took what I said;

No, I understood what you said but unless those things are stripped from the world what you said will never happen...even then it's highly doubtful.

 

It is the Human condition that causes these thing.

Edited May 31, 2024 by Raven 54

[KoolHndLuke]

1 hour ago, Wandering_Mania said:

Because I wasn't saying 'get rid of them'. I was saying that humans need to stop fighting over them. And let every last one of the aforementioned things coexist peacefully.

Think they're saying that humans just suck. So why try? I used to think the same thing. But, without really looking, I have discovered some individuals that are very much worthy of friendship/love. What they have in common is that they are not judgmental, pretty intelligent, and do not consider themselves special in any way (which in and of itself ironically makes them very special, lol.). Of course this is just my personal tastes. The point is that there is someone out there for all of us- believe it or not.

 

The most important thing any of us can do is to try and keep an open mind. That's not hard... is it?

 

Edited May 31, 2024 by KoolHndLuke

[Raven 54]

2 minutes ago, KoolHndLuke said:

Think they're saying that humans just suck. So why try? I used to think the same thing. But, without really trying, I have discovered some individuals that are very much worthy of friendship/love. What they have in common is that they are not judgmental, pretty intelligent, and do not consider themselves special in any way (which in and of itself ironically makes them very special, lol.). Of course this is just my personal tastes. But my point is that there is someone out there for all of us- believe it or not.

Humans do Suck.   They suck everything from you till you have nothing left and discard you like refuse.

I would not promote the blind optimism that generates hope that others will find what you have. I have met loads of Humans in my 69+ years on this rock but have never met anyone that didn't have ulterior motives (wanted what I had, wanted something I could provide, needed a whipping post, etc.) so promoting that idea will give false hope. You do what you feel is right, just my opinion, that's all.

[KoolHndLuke]

21 minutes ago, Raven 54 said:

Humans do Suck.   They suck everything from you till you have nothing left and discard you like refuse.

I would not promote the blind optimism that generates hope that others will find what you have. I have met loads of Humans in my 69+ years on this rock but have never met anyone that didn't have ulterior motives (wanted what I had, wanted something I could provide, needed a whipping post, etc.) so promoting that idea will give false hope. You do what you feel is right, just my opinion, that's all.

People always want something. The difference is what they actually want and the means they'll use to get it/them. But they're not all out to fuck you over- as you seem to insinuate.

 

Edited May 31, 2024 by KoolHndLuke

[Wandering_Mania]

1 hour ago, Raven 54 said:

It is the Human condition that causes these thing.

Yeah, and I think that it was said best in 'Terminator 2: Judgement Day(1991)':

 

[John Connor watches two kids playing with toy guns, then asks the Terminator]

John Connor:  "We're not gonna make it are we? People I mean."
The Terminator:  "It's in your nature to destroy yourselves."
John Connor:  "Yeah... Major drag huh?"

 

The full scene here:

Spoiler

 

 

[Raven 54]

On 5/31/2024 at 3:33 PM, KoolHndLuke said:

But they're not all out to fuck you over- as you seem to insinuate.

Yet another place among the 2%ers* I do not fit in.

 I said exactly what I said, nothing more nothing less.

 Then I clarified my statement, I do not need you to interpret what I said, nor do I need you to give me shit over your perceived translation & meaning of My Statement.

You have stated your opinion and I did not reinterpret what you said, but when I stated mine you chime in with Not a reply to me or what I said but what I meant and the casting aspersions.

Nowhere did I say "everyone is out to Fuck you over" as you so quickly added on to my statement, It makes me wonder if that is how you feel inside.

If I had meant that I would have said that as at my age the filters are all gone.

I will not be back to this thread so think what you want, say what you want, just quit being an Ass to people who are participating in your topic.

 

*A reference to the 2% of the worlds population that do not fit in Society.

 

Edited June 1, 2024 by Raven 54

[DarkBlade13]

The biggest issue is probably just social media (perhaps video games a bit too).