Guest Posted October 29, 2013 Posted October 29, 2013 I think that most of us don't get the right meaning of the word 'taboo'.Taboo is something you don't speak of, or not supposed to speak of anyway.Taboo is something that has been named as such because it's heavily critisized by modern society for cetrain reasons.The nazis and the whole third Reih theory unfortunatelly does not belong to the past, yet.Still, there are people supporting such beliefs and practice that theory in real life as we speak,well in their own way, adapted to modern days.Neonazis and fascist theory supporters are a reality in many countries like Germany,USA,France,Italy and more.For crying out loud, in Greece they have taken advantage of the economic crysis and the general population's unaproval / mishbelief to the political 'status quo' to force themselves into the parliament.Oppression in every way is being enforced onto minority groups like illegal immigrants,gipsies,coloured people etc with violence (sometimes exteme) as the means of persuation and oppession.People are STILL afraid of fascism because of it's cruelty.There are countries worldwide that throughout WWII history sufferd because of that ideology and mourned many victims during the nazi German occupation.Wheather it was Israel,Italy,Greece,Holland, there are still people alive that endured that horror, or children that were raised in the parental or siblingal absence.And that's something that justifies any strict behaviour towards the svastica symbol wether it's used as an oriental symbol (not in referance with the fascism idealogy) or not.It's just like the feelings China may have towards the emblems of imperial Japan (due to the atrosities the latter commited to the former during WWII).That's why these symbols and theories are considered as taboo,because they 'injured' people in the past and still do!Bottomline, some symbols should be used with more consideration than others!And also as an answer to the refferance of nazis and the crusades.The crusades are considered as a thing of the past but some time has passed since then indeed... around 913 years...a milenia!And though we,the westeners, ARE considering it as a thing of the past,i don't think fanatic mouslims do also.Some say and want to believe that modern day extremist and fanatic mouslim terrorist acts are the continuation of the holy war toward the new form of the crusaders,the capital and wester way of thinking, no matter what Hollywood tries to 'say'.So i believe that we should wait a few more centuries before we label the nazis as 'a thing of the past'!That's my opinion on the subject.Thanks for reading and sorry for any vocabulary and grammar errors,English is not my native language.
fifteenspades Posted October 29, 2013 Posted October 29, 2013 Now i could just be blind but i don't see a swastika any where on this armor, all i see is what can be taken and alter'd to look like one. this is like making a captain america shield, that has a nice big star in the middle with a circle around it and then people start flaming that i put a pentagram on the shield.
deathparade Posted October 29, 2013 Posted October 29, 2013 Fun fact: He made a version WITHOUT the swastikaa Atleast what i've seen from what he said in the comments on the recolor version
Bootaka Posted October 29, 2013 Posted October 29, 2013 this is like making a captain america shield, that has a nice big star in the middle with a circle around it and then people start flaming that i put a pentagram on the shield. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagram Oddly enough, with the inverted pentagram, or pentacle, the only reference that I'm aware of in the idea of satanism, is it wards against those things. Not for, against. But, it was first described as mathematical perfection, the heresy! On a side note, having a peace and harmony depiction on armor, just seems like an oxymoron. Reminds me of Full Metal Jacket Pogue Colonel: Marine, what is that button on your body armor? Private Joker: A peace symbol, sir. Pogue Colonel: Where'd you get it? Private Joker: I don't remember, sir. Pogue Colonel: What is that you've got written on your helmet? Private Joker: "Born to Kill", sir. Pogue Colonel: You write "Born to Kill" on your helmet and you wear a peace button. What's that supposed to be, some kind of sick joke? Private Joker: No, sir. Pogue Colonel: You'd better get your head and your ass wired together, or I will take a giant shit on you. Private Joker: Yes, sir. Pogue Colonel: Now answer my question or you'll be standing tall before the man. Private Joker: I think I was trying to suggest something about the duality of man, sir. Pogue Colonel: The what? Private Joker: The duality of man. The Jungian thing, sir. Pogue Colonel: Whose side are you on, son? Private Joker: Our side, sir. Pogue Colonel: Don't you love your country? Private Joker: Yes, sir. Pogue Colonel: Then how about getting with the program? Why don't you jump on the team and come on in for the big win? Private Joker: Yes, sir. Pogue Colonel: Son, all I've ever asked of my marines is that they obey my orders as they would the word of God. We are here to help the Vietnamese, because inside every gook there is an American trying to get out. It's a hardball world, son. We've gotta keep our heads until this peace craze blows over. Private Joker: Aye-aye, sir. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMEViYvojtY
ErisL Posted October 29, 2013 Posted October 29, 2013 Yes, the swastika used to be a positive symbol. Unfortunately, the Nazis kind of ruined it for everyone. What was once a positive thing is now, in the public imagination, exclusively a symbol of the Third Reich, and attempts to reclaim it as a positive symbol are probably doomed to failure. You can't really blame people for their reactions to it, though. It can be a really emotionally charged thing, and seeing it in a game, even if it's meant well, can be too much. Even if it's meant well, it brings a lot of horrifying and painful baggage along wherever it appears. Add to that the fact that there are still people alive today who suffered under the Third Reich, still people alive today who saw their families butchered by that regime. People who never knew their grandparents. And whole generations of people who grew up with that horror in their history, and people whose families were complicit in it, and the shame of that can follow them generations later. And there are still people alive today who liberated those camps, and who still have nightmares about what they saw. All that is just scratching the surface. You can say, "it's just a symbol, get over it." They can't. It's not that they don't want to. We, as a people, can't. The reason people are sensitive about it is that there's an open wound in Western culture; an awful, bloody thing that still hasn't healed seventy plus years later: and that open wound has the shape of a swastika.
Taskmaster Posted October 29, 2013 Posted October 29, 2013 The maker knew damn well what he/she was getting into when putting that symbol on there. Isn't Severus a name of German origins?
Uno Posted October 29, 2013 Posted October 29, 2013 Oversensitive? I just call'em "your average fucktard" . Most of times the Nexus commuinty act with such inmaturity and ignorance, just take a look at this new mod: http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/45862//? Insta-called pedophile, people at Nexus seems just be waiting to bash anybody for anything... Such a shame. EDIT: Forget it, most of comments had been deleted.
Kendo 2 Posted October 29, 2013 Posted October 29, 2013 She doesn't even LOOK like a little kid. She just looks innocent.
Koko.Hekmatyar Posted October 29, 2013 Posted October 29, 2013 Everyone always sees the Swastika Cross and thinks of what it was perverted into by the Nazi's. However, That Cross predates the Nazi's by thousands of years, the earliest Archaeological evidence of the Swastika goes back to 3300 to 1300 BC for fucks sake. The Little boys and girls at Nexus need to go and study up on subjects before just assuming something is what it is based on the piss poor excuse that is modern day education.
DoctaSax Posted October 29, 2013 Posted October 29, 2013 I don't see how people having a problem with a swastika-like symbol in a game where there aren't nazis to shoot is being oversensitive. Nor can I blame the Nexus moderators for putting that file under review, no matter what the outcome of that review is. Referring to the symbol's ancient origins sounds like a cop-out because whatever meaning it once had is completely superseded by what we associate with it now - the only people to blame in that respect are the nazis, not the "people too stupid to know it once meant something else & that the hooks are the other way around". I can think of a few choice words myself for people who fail to realize that there are millions of people who don't have to go too far up their family tree to find gaping holes that the nazis left there, and how insulting the gratuitous use of the symbol can be to them. I can't tell why or how people should just "get over it". People are allowed to be sensitive about it without being called oversensitive, because that sounds like whatever reasons they have for objecting to it are trivial. And they're not. I'm completely with jonas saying it's attention-whoring on the part of the modder, or at least a very, very unwise decision. And although people may have a lot to complain about when it comes to the nexus these days, let's not give in to some sort of knee-jerk reaction that whatever goes on over there is by definition wrong because it's them. Just because we're more tolerant on sexual themes and less ban-happy, doesn't mean we'd welcome mods like this with open arms either. Apart from the moral issues, we can do without the inevitable drama - some of us have modding to do, which is why rule 8 is in effect, and I'm calling that one in for that reason. I'm sure I'll hear some moaning about censorship but let's face it, the more lengths people'll go to to defend the modder and attack the nexus over this, the uglier it'll become and we'll end up doing it anyway.
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