SexLab Hormones (January 2025)

[DeepBlueFrog]

I have a question, its not really a huge deal, but is there any way to revert color changes? Hormones is working fine otherwise just dont like particular "high activity" skin color that my character got so any way to just undo color change without waiting for it to normally settle down? I tried unchecking color change and using showracemenu (where it looks normal) but Hormones just revert the color back right after I exit the menu.

 

Color management has been much improved in the next version (to be published later tonight actually ).

[tribal4282]

I saw in your 1.1 changelog you put background work for Bimbo and Sexchange curses. I am very curious! Do you mind sharing what some of your plans are with these?

[DeepBlueFrog]

Version 1.3 is out with these changes:

 

- Added quest structure for progression through Succubus mode

:: The progression can be slowed down with lack of sex but it is irreversible

 

- Added compatibility patch for PSQ Succubus mod

:: After a certain level in Succubus mode, spells from PSQ will appear automatically.

:: Automatic detection of succubus shape to disable Hormones own shape changes

- Added compatibility with Puppet Master trigger from Mind Control

 

- Fixed: Captured starting race for better detection of race changes (vampire, werewolf)

:: Automatic detection on new games or when using the Hormones Status option from the menu (make sure to be in your human shape when you use it)

- Disabled most of debug status messages

 

Regarding the detection of race changes (for werewolf or vampire lord), if you are upgrading, you HAVE to open the Show Status option from the Hormones menu WHILE YOU ARE HUMAN to set your starting race.

 

For new games, this is automatic.

 

[DeepBlueFrog]

I saw in your 1.1 changelog you put background work for Bimbo and Sexchange curses. I am very curious! Do you mind sharing what some of your plans are with these?

 

Now that I made enough progress on the Succubus side of this mod (especially with the brand new bridge with PSQ succubus), I will focus my attention on other kinds of changes - including bimbo and sex change.

 

Both will be treated as curses, one from Hagravens and one from Warlocks or Witches.

 

Once you have checked them in the menu, you will have a chance of getting exposed to the curse after killing powerful sorcerers (their dying curse if you will).

 

The curses will act like a disease, progressively changing your body and abilities into the opposite sex or into a giggling blonde.

 

That's the idea at least.

 

I haven't worked out yet how the curse can be lifted.

 

The Bimbo curse needs to have hair color and height changes in place (PSQ succubus has code for that I can study).

 

The sex change curse is trickier. It may involved some manual role play steps in Racemenu if I am not successful at automatic the changes. I tried a few months ago (and failed) but I have a better code base now and I feel I can try again.

[Ashra XIII]

Ooh sweeeeet! I'm into this update, as being able to use both PSQ and Hormones Succubus sounds amazing!

 

So does the compatibility only hide the PSQ abilities, or is there anything else that helps them work together? Because PSQ hides it's own abilities until you level up in that system. Does it change that leveling system at all? I'm kinda curious how they mesh together.

 

Can't wait to see what happens with Bimbo mode, but I doubt I'll have much use for sex change. I wish you luck getting that one to work though!

[DeepBlueFrog]

Ooh sweeeeet! I'm into this update, as being able to use both PSQ and Hormones Succubus sounds amazing!

 

So does the compatibility only hide the PSQ abilities, or is there anything else that helps them work together? Because PSQ hides it's own abilities until you level up in that system. Does it change that leveling system at all? I'm kinda curious how they mesh together.

 

Can't wait to see what happens with Bimbo mode, but I doubt I'll have much use for sex change. I wish you luck getting that one to work though!

 

The compatibility between Hormones and PSQ is a handoff.

 

You start as human. PSQ is not started (Become a succubus has to remain off for best effect).

As your Daedric exposure increases, a quest kicks in with 5 stages. Right now that quest only has a little text to tell you that you have graduated to a new stage. Later, it will have other goodies and lore.

At stage 5, PSQ turns on and Become a Succubus kicks in automatically.

 

After that, Hormones detects when you are transformed in a succubus or when you are under soul gem pregnancy so that you can use PSQ node shape changes safely. Succubus powers from Hormones remain, so you can Soul devour or even cast a Puppet Master Charm during orgasm and enslave your target (if you have the Puppet Master patch).

 

The Bimbo mode will be lighter and mostly for people who are into that sort of quirk. It will only affect females and will turn them into dumb Barbies (with an effect on intelligence based skills ).

 

I also have some plans to add perks and debuffs to both genders based around hormones. Males will have increased strength at high libido with a risk of lower magical abilties. Females will have increased regenerative powers with a risk of going berserk... that sort of thing.

[Ashra XIII]

I think you could do some cool stuff with Bimbo mode if you wanted to. An idea I just had is that you could add effects like weapon dropping, caused by either plain ditziness or giant boobies interfering with swings or bow draws  It would integrate nicely with Deviously Helpless, allowing for rapings when weapons are dropped. Might require a condition to be added on the DH mod so that 'Bimbo' is a condition. Just a crazy idea.

 

I like the combo with Hormones and PSQ in any case, but I guess it wouldn't do much good in the game I've been messing with, since I'm running PSQ. However, I intend to start a new (for reals this time!) character once Defeat finally updates, so maybe I will use that feature then.

[tribal4282]

I gotta say those curses sound pretty fun! Especially the Bimbo mode. What would also be fun, though I don't know how possible it is, would be the ability to curse NPCs and turn them into Bimbos. Anyways I like the ideas getting thrown around keep up the good work!

[Crate123]

So with this 1.3 version, is there any chance it will work on an older save or do I (as I suspect) need a new game.

[DeepBlueFrog]

So with this 1.3 version, is there any chance it will work on an older save or do I (as I suspect) need a new game.

 

It should work on an existing game.

 

If you are planning on becoming a vampire lord or werewolf (or if you already are):

- upgrade while you are in human form

- go to the Hormones menu and check your status 

 

This will record your current race as being you human form, which will be used to detect you are in another form later and prevent Hormones from updating your shape.

[DeepBlueFrog]

I gotta say those curses sound pretty fun! Especially the Bimbo mode. What would also be fun, though I don't know how possible it is, would be the ability to curse NPCs and turn them into Bimbos. Anyways I like the ideas getting thrown around keep up the good work!

 

Maybe as a temporary curse or a spell.

 

The problem with NPCs is that I would have to keep track of the current shape of every NPC you transform and make sure the shape is refreshed each time you change cells (or when you return to their cell).

[werdunloaded1]

So out of curiosity, would it be plausible to increase the frequency at which the game makes changes to your body (so instead of every midnight, every few hours)? 

[DeepBlueFrog]

So out of curiosity, would it be plausible to increase the frequency at which the game makes changes to your body (so instead of every midnight, every few hours)? 

 

It is possible and Hormones is already doing that.

 

Changes happen after sex, when external changes are detected (from cell change or from other mods) and after sleep.

 

it should be possible to put it on a schedule and make the changes more gradual and organic but I wanted to avoid adding too much load to everybody's game.

[werdunloaded1]

Hmm then maybe I'm doing something wrong. It would be nice to see the changes after sex, but as it is right now, it will only make the changes at midnight or when I open MCM and force the changes. Cell changes do not effect change. Any thoughts?

[DeepBlueFrog]

Hmm then maybe I'm doing something wrong. It would be nice to see the changes after sex, but as it is right now, it will only make the changes at midnight or when I open MCM and force the changes. Cell changes do not effect change. Any thoughts?

 

Is your PC pregnant from Beeing Female or Estrus Chaurus? That disables the automatic update of the shape after sex or on cell change.

 

Otherwise, check the Shape Change Override setting in the Hormones menu and make sure it is turned on.

 

To be sure the shape is changed, look at the logs and increase the amount of change to 20 or 30%, with all modifiers set to +1.

[werdunloaded1]

 

Hmm then maybe I'm doing something wrong. It would be nice to see the changes after sex, but as it is right now, it will only make the changes at midnight or when I open MCM and force the changes. Cell changes do not effect change. Any thoughts?

 

Is your PC pregnant from Beeing Female or Estrus Chaurus? That disables the automatic update of the shape after sex or on cell change.

 

Otherwise, check the Shape Change Override setting in the Hormones menu and make sure it is turned on.

 

To be sure the shape is changed, look at the logs and increase the amount of change to 20 or 30%, with all modifiers set to +1.

 

 

I don't have either of those installed. I have Sexlab Aroused, Sexlab Release, Matchmaker, Amorous Adventures, and Hormones. None of my other mods have any kind of poll or timer. And the SCO setting is turned on. 

 

Has the feature always been enabled or is this a Sexlab 1.5 thing? 

 

Also, I am only changing weight, not the body notes, if that makes a difference at all.

 

Thanks for your help so far. I will take a look at the logs.

[DeepBlueFrog]

 

 

Hmm then maybe I'm doing something wrong. It would be nice to see the changes after sex, but as it is right now, it will only make the changes at midnight or when I open MCM and force the changes. Cell changes do not effect change. Any thoughts?

 

Is your PC pregnant from Beeing Female or Estrus Chaurus? That disables the automatic update of the shape after sex or on cell change.

 

Otherwise, check the Shape Change Override setting in the Hormones menu and make sure it is turned on.

 

To be sure the shape is changed, look at the logs and increase the amount of change to 20 or 30%, with all modifiers set to +1.

 

 

I don't have either of those installed. I have Sexlab Aroused, Sexlab Release, Matchmaker, Amorous Adventures, and Hormones. None of my other mods have any kind of poll or timer. And the SCO setting is turned on. 

 

Has the feature always been enabled or is this a Sexlab 1.5 thing? 

 

Also, I am only changing weight, not the body notes, if that makes a difference at all.

 

Thanks for your help so far. I will take a look at the logs.

 

 

That explains it then.

 

Weight only changes at night.

 

The way I see it is that changes to shape nodes are short term changes after sexual activity, like boosts to the shape and color. 

 

By contrast, changes to weight are more long term and happen as you rest.

[DæmonEyes]

I cant seem to get this mod to work. There is no color change or breast/butt/belly growth no matter how much sex my character has. It shows the recent sex stats appropriately under display stats but my character doesn't change physically at all. I have all the required mods downloaded and mods like estrus chaurus correctly modify my character.

[DeepBlueFrog]

I cant seem to get this mod to work. There is no color change or breast/butt/belly growth no matter how much sex my character has. It shows the recent sex stats appropriately under display stats but my character doesn't change physically at all. I have all the required mods downloaded and mods like estrus chaurus correctly modify my character.

 

Can you post screenshots of the two menus?

 

Another way to test is to use the second menu for Hormones and manually set the shape, wait about 30 seconds, then quit the game to look at the logs (or look at the logs after midnight).

[DæmonEyes]

I don't know exactly what i did to get it working but papyrus was showing a lot of warnings with estrus so I basically just uninstalled it and chaurus estrus and actor events (was used for chaurus estrus) started a new game and it works now. Doesn't work on my current game, though it was a fresh save with hormones already installed but its ok. Thanks for responding though skyrimll.

[LoneWanderer88]

First, just want to say I love this mod.  Especially all the additions you've done and are yet planning to do.  TG stuff is my favorite kind of thing to have in media, so the Sex Change curse is pretty exciting.

 

I had a question though, what body mesh mods do you recommend to get good weight/butt/breast expansion? I'm using...UNP, but it only gets the breast expansion, not the butt or stomach. 

 

Thanks in advance!

[DeepBlueFrog]

First, just want to say I love this mod.  Especially all the additions you've done and are yet planning to do.  TG stuff is my favorite kind of thing to have in media, so the Sex Change curse is pretty exciting.

 

I had a question though, what body mesh mods do you recommend to get good weight/butt/breast expansion? I'm using...UNP, but it only gets the breast expansion, not the butt or stomach. 

 

Thanks in advance!

 

Thanks

 

It is not a question of body - it is a question of skeleton.

 

Get an advanced skeleton like XPMS. 

 

It works fine with UNP or CBBE shapes (and others).

 

After that, it is a matter of preferences of shape, proportions and distortion when the body shapes inflate.

[DeepBlueFrog]

I think I have a solution for the weapon redraw problem. 

 

I found that the weight was refreshed even when there was no change in weight (unnecessary) and I added safeguards to prevent shape refresh during combat or when weapons are drawn.

 

I will release an update tonight if I can test it some more.

 

I also added a new feature to limit the changes to the shape nodes if you are wearing armor or cloth (to simulate the compression of flesh by what you are wearing). Cloth will limit the changes by 20% and armor by 50%. So if your breasts nodes are at a scale of 1.0, wearing cloth will bring them down to 0.8 and armor to 0.5.

 

Eventually, the additional parameters will be editable through MCM (although maybe not in tonight's update).

[werdunloaded1]

I think I have a solution for the weapon redraw problem. 

 

I found that the weight was refreshed even when there was no change in weight (unnecessary) and I added safeguards to prevent shape refresh during combat or when weapons are drawn.

 

I will release an update tonight if I can test it some more.

 

I also added a new feature to limit the changes to the shape nodes if you are wearing armor or cloth (to simulate the compression of flesh by what you are wearing). Cloth will limit the changes by 20% and armor by 50%. So if your breasts nodes are at a scale of 1.0, wearing cloth will bring them down to 0.8 and armor to 0.5.

 

Eventually, the additional parameters will be editable through MCM (although maybe not in tonight's update).

 

Wow I've been wondering what mod was causing the re-drawing to happen. So it's this one... A fix tonight would be extremely helpful!

 

Although I don't use the nodes, the cloth/armor adjustments to node sizes would definitely make it more immersive (from using nodes in other mods in the past).

 

Personally looking forward to the bimbo transformation just to see what it's like, but this mod is holding my attention very well the way it is. Thanks for all of the work you put into this!

 

P.S. I would really love if weight was re-calculated at the same time as nodes. That's the only thing that could make me happier. How realistic would this change be? Or is it a personal preference you aren't interested in changing? (will totally respect your decision regardless)

[DeepBlueFrog]

 

I think I have a solution for the weapon redraw problem. 

 

I found that the weight was refreshed even when there was no change in weight (unnecessary) and I added safeguards to prevent shape refresh during combat or when weapons are drawn.

 

I will release an update tonight if I can test it some more.

 

I also added a new feature to limit the changes to the shape nodes if you are wearing armor or cloth (to simulate the compression of flesh by what you are wearing). Cloth will limit the changes by 20% and armor by 50%. So if your breasts nodes are at a scale of 1.0, wearing cloth will bring them down to 0.8 and armor to 0.5.

 

Eventually, the additional parameters will be editable through MCM (although maybe not in tonight's update).

 

Wow I've been wondering what mod was causing the re-drawing to happen. So it's this one... A fix tonight would be extremely helpful!

 

Although I don't use the nodes, the cloth/armor adjustments to node sizes would definitely make it more immersive (from using nodes in other mods in the past).

 

Personally looking forward to the bimbo transformation just to see what it's like, but this mod is holding my attention very well the way it is. Thanks for all of the work you put into this!

 

P.S. I would really love if weight was re-calculated at the same time as nodes. That's the only thing that could make me happier. How realistic would this change be? Or is it a personal preference you aren't interested in changing? (will totally respect your decision regardless)

 

 

It is more of a personal thing.

 

I wanted to introduce some difference between changes from sleep and changes from sex.

 

The next version will have actual changes from sleep, so you will be able to see changes to weight earlier than waiting for midnight. Just sleep a couple of hours to trigger the usual 'You feel more voluptuous'.