Random CTD - Can't decipher Papyrus Logs - Wet & Cold or Footprints possible

[Gray Geist]

Hello! I've been having some major issues with CTDs about every 15-45 minutes and it appears to be at random:

 

1. Entering/exiting buildings

2. In combat or out of combat

3. Walking around.

 

Below I have attached Papyrus logs (in zipped format) of the most recent crashes which (some) appear to be related potentially to Wet & Cold or Footprints. I have no idea how to read the Papyrus script other than to look for "VM is freezing" "VM is frozen" etc, and even at that I'm not entirely sure what that means. 

 

I have utilized BOSS, followed Mod author instructions and researched on load order and mine should be fine but I will attach that as well. Furthermore I have not changed uGrids or messed with .ini other than when necessary for Skyrim Flora Overhaul, ENBs, Memory Boost, etc. 

 

I am currently using the up to date version of SKSE. I am running at a maximum RAM of 805 MB and VRAM of 2,013 MB, no where near the 3.1 GB limit. 

 

Can I get some help figuring out what is going on here and how to fix it and/or patch it up. I am well aware I am running upwards of 170 + mods and expect CTDs but would like to mitigate them. Thank you!

 

Load Order

(0 -> 0) Skyrim.esm

(1 -> 1) Update.esm

(2 -> 2) Dawnguard.esm

(3 -> 3) HearthFires.esm

(4 -> 4) Dragonborn.esm

(5 -> 5) SPIKE.esm

(6 -> 6) Falskaar.esm

(7 -> 7) Skyrim Project Optimization - Full Version.esm

(8 -> 8) Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm

(9 -> 9) Omegared99-Compilation.esm

(10 -> 10) ClimatesOfTamriel.esm

(11 -> 11) mannyDragonhead.esm

(12 -> 12) HighResTexturePack01.esp

(13 -> 13) HighResTexturePack02.esp

(14 -> 14) HighResTexturePack03.esp

(15 -> 15) FixedEyeAdaption.esp

(16 -> 16) Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp

(17 -> 17) Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp

(18 -> 18) Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp

(19 -> 19) Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp

(20 -> 20) Unofficial High Resolution Patch.esp

(21 -> 21) Chesko_Frostfall.esp

(22 -> 22) Better Dynamic Snow.esp

(23 -> 23) SplashofRain.esp

(24 -> 24) Clanking Armor.esp

(25 -> 25) ClimatesOfTamriel-Sound.esp

(26 -> 26) Improved Combat Sounds v2.2.esp

(27 -> 27) ADS.esp

(28 -> 28) better_torches_brighter_torchlight.esp

(29 -> 29) Further Dark Dungeons for ENB.esp

(30 -> 30) fantasy music overhaul.esp

(31 -> 31) StaticMeshImprovementMod.esp

(32 -> 32) StaticMeshImprovementMod-DragonbornTernFix.esp

(33 -> 33) StaticMeshImprovementMod-FurnitureChestSnowFix.esp

(34 -> 34) Chesko_WearableLantern.esp

(35 -> 35) High Level Enemies.esp

(36 -> 36) High Level Enemies - Dawnguard.esp

(37 -> 37) High Level Enemies - Dragonborn.esp

(38 -> 38) High Level Enemies - Falskaar.esp

(39 -> 39) Immersive Battles.esp

(40 -> 40) Immersive Brigands.esp

(41 -> 41) Immersive Dawnguard.esp

(42 -> 42) Immersive Dragonborn.esp

(43 -> 43) Immersive Factions.esp

(44 -> 44) Immersive Mercenaries.esp

(45 -> 45) Immersive Patrols.esp

(46 -> 46) Immersive Travelers.esp

(47 -> 47) Immersive Werewolves.esp

(48 -> 48) Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Climates of Tamriel - lvl-2.esp

(49 -> 49) Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Climates of Tamriel - lvl-1.esp

(50 -> 50) Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Climates of Tamriel - default.esp

(51 -> 51) Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Climates of Tamriel - lvl-3.esp

(52 -> 52) Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Climates of Tamriel - lvl-4.esp

(53 -> 53) Book Covers Skyrim.esp

(54 -> 54) Book Covers Dawnguard.esp

(55 -> 55) Book Covers Hearthfire.esp

(56 -> 56) Book Covers Dragonborn.esp

(57 -> 57) Skyrim Immersive Creatures.esp

(58 -> 58) Skyrim Immersive Creatures - DLC2.esp

(59 -> 59) Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp

(60 -> 60) Auto Unequip Ammo.esp

(61 -> 61) Chesko_LoreBasedLoadingScreens.esp

(62 -> 62) DYNAVISION Dynamic Depth of Field.esp

(63 -> 63) Footprints.esp

(64 -> 64) Footprints - Ash.esp

(65 -> 65) RaceMenu.esp

(66 -> 66) RaceMenuPlugin.esp

(67 -> 67) RaceMenuOverlays.esp

(68 -> 68) WetandCold.esp

(69 -> 69) SkyUI.esp

(70 -> 70) iHUD.esp

(71 -> 71) ArmorOfIntrigue.esp

(72 -> 72) Avatar of Baltazar.esp

(73 -> 73) BDYEB.esp

(74 -> 74) Cloaks.esp

(75 -> 75) Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp

(76 -> 76) 1nivWICCloaks.esp

(77 -> 77) 1nivWICSkyCloaksPatch.esp

(78 -> 78) Contractor Armor.esp

(79 -> 79) Crossbows_Basic_Collection_EN.esp

(80 -> 80) DK_Armor_By_Hothtrooper44.esp

(81 -> 81) DragonBoneEbonsteel.esp

(82 -> 82) Dread Knight Weapon Set.esp

(83 -> 83) Glass Variants.esp

(84 -> 84) Insanity's Chrysamere.esp

(85 -> 85) Insanity's Ice Blade of the Monarch.esp

(86 -> 86) Insanity's Umbra Sword.esp

(87 -> 87) Insanity's Sorrow.esp

(88 -> 88) JoOsSkyrimKnightlyArmory.esp

(89 -> 89) JoOsSkyrimKnightlyArmoryCheat.esp

(90 -> 90) Krev The Skinner's Mantle by Hothtrooper44.esp

(91 -> 91) LordOfWar_TW2.esp

(92 -> 92) LPotD Armor.esp

(93 -> 93) LpotDHorse.esp

(94 -> 94) Mavari Armor.esp

(95 -> 95) Omegared99-WeaponSets.esp

(96 -> 96) Medium-40Percent.esp

(97 -> 97) SeraticArmor.esp

(98 -> 98) SeraticHeavyArmorDark.esp

(99 -> 99) SeraticHeavyArmorGray.esp

(100 -> 100) Tribunal Maskes by Zairaam.esp

(101 -> 101) Tribunal Robes by Zairaam.esp

(102 -> 102) Troll Hunter Armor by Hothtrooper44.esp

(103 -> 103) Unique Uniques.esp

(104 -> 104) WWW.esp

(105 -> 105) AdalMatar.esp

(106 -> 106) AesirArmor.esp

(107 -> 107) PP_OgmundsTomb.esp

(108 -> 108) AgentOfRighteousMight.esp

(109 -> 109) quest_andtherealmsofdaedra.esp

(110 -> 110) BetterDarkBrotherhood.esp

(111 -> 111) Conan_Hyborian_Age.esp

(112 -> 112) DragonmournInn.esp

(113 -> 113) flaho_shi_eagles_nest_ENG.esp

(114 -> 114) gravkammir01.esp

(115 -> 115) Inconsequential NPCs.esp

(116 -> 116) My Home Is Your Home.esp

(117 -> 117) MzarkWonders.esp

(118 -> 118) quest_nomercy.esp

(119 -> 119) OBIS.esp

(120 -> 120) OBISDB.esp

(121 -> 121) quest_pitfighter.esp

(122 -> 122) quest_pitfighter_dlc01.esp

(123 -> 123) quest_sorcery.esp

(124 -> 124) Run For Your Lives.esp

(125 -> 125) When Vampires Attack.esp

(126 -> 126) quest_seaofghosts.esp

(127 -> 127) quest_thebiggertheyare.esp

(128 -> 128) TheDomain.esp

(129 -> 129) TheFrontier.esp

(130 -> 130) The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp

(131 -> 131) Wyrmstooth.esp

(132 -> 132) Masters of Death.esp

(133 -> 133) 360WalkandRunPlus-RunBackwardSpeedAdjust.esp

(134 -> 134) BardRequestBreak.esp

(135 -> 135) BetterQuestObjectives.esp

(136 -> 136) BetterQuestObjectives-PaarDilemmaPatch.esp

(137 -> 137) Civil War Overhaul.esp

(138 -> 138) Differently Ebony.esp

(139 -> 139) ESFCompanions.esp

(140 -> 140) FireAndIceOverhaul.esp

(141 -> 141) Killable Children.esp

(142 -> 142) Realistic werewolf speed.esp

(143 -> 143) Rebirth Monster.esp

(144 -> 144) UltimateCombat.esp

(145 -> 145) Convenient Horses.esp

(146 -> 146) dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp

(147 -> 147) dD-Dragonborn-Dawnguard-EBT Patch.esp

(148 -> 148) Thieves Guild Requirements.esp

(149 -> 149) TimingIsEverything.esp

(150 -> 150) TimingIsEverything_RunForYourLives_Patch.esp

(151 -> 151) Populated Cities 2.esp

(152 -> 152) RealisticRoomRental.esp

(153 -> 153) BetterQuestObjectives-PersidRRentalPatch.esp

(154 -> 154) RRR_Dragonborn-Patch.esp

(155 -> 155) RRR_Hearthfire-Patch.esp

(156 -> 156) ClimatesOfTamriel-Dawnguard-Patch.esp

(157 -> 157) ClimatesOfTamriel-Dragonborn-Patch.esp

(158 -> 158) ClimatesOfTamriel Falskaar.esp

(159 -> 159) BuryTheDead.esp

(160 -> 160) DeadlySpellImpacts.esp

(161 -> 161) Beards.esp

(162 -> 162) 3DNPC.esp

(163 -> 163) HothFollower.esp

(164 -> 164) HothFollower UFO Patch.esp

(165 -> 165) Reduced Distance NPC Greetings.esp

(166 -> 166) CompanionValfar.esp

(167 -> 167) hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp

(168 -> 168) Inconsequential NPCs - Enhancement.esp

(169 -> 169) StormLord.esp

(170 -> 170) Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp

(171 -> 171) Immersive Weapons.esp

(172 -> 172) AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp

(173 -> 173) aMidianborn_Skyforge_Weapons.esp

(174 -> 174) AFT_NoFriendlySpellDamage.esp

(175 -> 175) BetterQuestObjectives-AFTPatch.esp

(176 -> 176) ESFAela.esp

(177 -> 177) Requiem.esp

(178 -> 178) Requiem - Resources.esp

(179 -> 179) Requiem - Immersive Weapons.esp

(180 -> 180) Requiem - Immersive Armors.esp

(181 -> 181) Requiem - Immersive Battles.esp

(182 -> 182) Requiem - Immersive Brigands.esp

(183 -> 183) Requiem - Immersive Dawnguard.esp

(184 -> 184) Requiem - Immersive Dragonborn.esp

(185 -> 185) Requiem - Immersive Factions.esp

(186 -> 186) Requiem - Immersive Mercenaries.esp

(187 -> 187) Requiem - Immersive Patrols.esp

(188 -> 188) Requiem - Immersive Werewolves.esp

(189 -> 189) Requiem - Dragonborn.esp

(190 -> 190) Requiem - SIC Patch.esp

(191 -> 191) Requiem - SIC Patch - DLC2.esp

(192 -> 192) Requiem - Falskaar.esp

(193 -> 193) Requiem - HearthFires.esp

(194 -> 194) Requiem - Wyrmstooth.esp

(195 -> 195) REQ - BCS Patch.esp

(196 -> 196) Requiem - Hard Times.esp

(197 -> 197) IA6npc01.esp

(198 -> 198) OpenFaceGuardHelmets.esp

(199 -> 199) BetterQuestObjectives-RequiemPatch.esp

(200 -> 200) Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp

(201 -> 201) BetterQuestObjectives-AlternateStartPatch.esp

(202 -> 202) dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp

(203 -> 203) TTYM - Think to Yourself Messages.esp

(204 -> 204) TTYM - Frostfall Module.esp

(205 -> 205) getSnowy.esp

(206 -> 206) erso 30 - better enemy ai.esp

(207 -> 207) EnhancedLightsandFX.esp

(208 -> 208) ELFX - NoTaverns.esp

(209 -> 209) ELFX - Dawnguard.esp

(210 -> 210) ELFX - Dragonborn.esp

(211 -> 211) ELFXEnhancer.esp

(212 -> 212) ToL_Core_by_Brevi.esp

(213 -> 213) WATER.esp

(214 -> 214) RealisticNeedsandDiseases.esp

(215 -> 215) RND_Requiem-Patch.esp

(216 -> 216) RND_Dawnguard-Patch.esp

(217 -> 217) RND_HearthFires-Patch.esp

(218 -> 218) RND_USKP-Patch.esp

(219 -> 219) RND_Dragonborn-Patch.esp

(220 -> 220) RND_Water-Patch.esp

(221 -> 221) WATER Plants.esp

(222 -> 222) WATER DB Waves.esp

(223 -> 223) WATER DG.esp

(224 -> 224) WATER Falskaar.esp

(225 -> 225) AFT_iNPCFix.esp

(226 -> 226) Bashed Patch, 0.esp

(227 -> 227) DragonCombatOverhaulDragonborn.esp

(228 -> 228) The Dance of Death - Ultimate Edition.esp

(229 -> 229) DeadlyDragons.esp

Papyrus Logs.7z

Papyrus.0(this is a CTD after disabling Wet and Cold and Footprints).7z

[ballsy]

Quoted from Sajuukkhar on steam forums: 

 

"For the VMs
-VM freezing is you doing anything that pauses the game, such as opening the main menu, and the game is in the process of pausing, as it takes it a second to fully pause.
-VM frozen is the game paused.
-VM thawing is you leaving anything that pauses the game."

[cornbreadtm]

If you know it's Wet & Cold and Footprints and I know it's Wet & Cold and Footprints.... then why make the thread, just remove them and stop CTDing like everyone else does.

 

Sorry, it's just that 4/5 threads on the tech forum are about CTDs and they all have wet & cold and Footprints in their load orders. Then go "who would have guessed it could have been them" when they remove them and stop CTDing. Since you can google either mod and see tons of peopling CTDing from either of them... it's exhausting.

[Gray Geist]

ballsy,

 

Thank you for letting me know about those. 

 

cornbreadtm,

 

I understand where you're coming from  . I actually didn't know for sure that those mods were causing it as my previous play through had little issue with Wet & Cold.

 

Since making this post I have gone and disabled (unchecked in NMM) Wet & Cold and Footprints which has led to me being able to play the game much longer but it has not solved the CTD issue. I have attached another file to the original post (as well as this post) that shows the papryus log for a crash event that occurred when entering the Sleeping Giant Inn in Riverwood. If you could please help me dig into it I assure you I will follow your direction.

 

Thank you! 

Papyrus.0(this is a CTD after disabling Wet and Cold and Footprints).7z

[ballsy]

(227 -> 227) DragonCombatOverhaulDragonborn.esp

(228 -> 228) The Dance of Death - Ultimate Edition.esp

(229 -> 229) DeadlyDragons.esp

 

Actually looking closer no idea what these 3 are doing below the bashed patch. Get them sorted using BOSS, rebuild the patch (right click rebuild if you didn't know), go play the game again and copy and paste the log into something like a .rtf document where it's much easier to read. 

[Gray Geist]

According to the mod authors DCO has to be loaded before Dance of Death. I believe if you place those elsewhere in the list they will become useless. According to the mod author Deadly Dragons should not be bashed. I'm thinking it needs to be loaded last and after the bashed patch to ensure it's dragon stats are primary over DCO dragon stats and Requiem dragon stats. 

 

I have been copying and pasting the logs into an .rtf file but still can't make out all of the codes.

 

[ballsy]

According to the mod author Deadly Dragons should not be bashed. 

Sorry, could you quote the part where the author of DD says this? I've read the readme but he never states this. If you're referring to the second solution of the troubleshooting section, he means that CTDs when launching the game are caused by missing masters, and that bashed patches should be rebuilt when you remove mods that are a master file of the bashed patch. 

[Gray Geist]

ballsy,

 

Apologies for the misinformation. I have searched his readme and found no mention of it having to be placed outside of the Bashed Patch, I found a message between myself and another experienced modder who said that the DD author had recommended it being out of the patch which might as well be hearsay. 

 

Apollodown calls for DCO to be placed BEFORE DoD for compability. Since Requiem makes edits to DragonRace, DCO has to be placed after it. Apparently one can get those edits back by using Deadly Dragons, which I assume should be loaded last in comparison to them all of the other mods. Hence:

Requiem
DCO
DoD
Deadly Dragons

I guess where my thinking went is I'm not really sure if I should include Deadly Dragons in a Bashed Patch as the Bashed Patch will also include Requiem hence both will combine their changes to DragonsRace and essentially ruin Deadly Dragons when it should be taking precedent. Please correct my logic if I'm not thinking correctly here. And thank you for the consistent help on this!

[ballsy]

If you ever need exclude something from the bashed patch, the correct procedure should be as follows:

1. uncheck the exclusion
2. build the patch
3. recheck the exclusion

Excluding Deadly Dragons from the patch could have been the correct way to go about it in an older version. So what the guy said may have been correct during a certain point in time.

 

If you are unsure whether to build the patch with Deadly Dragons included, just do it anyways and load DD and the bashed patch in TES5edit. Look for conflicting records. If it isn't clear enough load Requiem as well. I'm guessing it's fine to include DD in the bashed patch, since it loads last out of these mods. What you don't want happening is the bashed patch carrying over records from mods before DD instead because you didn't include Deadly Dragons in the patch process. 

 

In all likelihood, it's fine. The bashed patch mostly handles leveled lists, and some miscellaneous things as well. When I say some, it means quite a small amount. 

[cornbreadtm]

ballsy,

 

Thank you for letting me know about those. 

 

cornbreadtm,

 

I understand where you're coming from  . I actually didn't know for sure that those mods were causing it as my previous play through had little issue with Wet & Cold.

 

Since making this post I have gone and disabled (unchecked in NMM) Wet & Cold and Footprints which has led to me being able to play the game much longer but it has not solved the CTD issue. I have attached another file to the original post (as well as this post) that shows the papryus log for a crash event that occurred when entering the Sleeping Giant Inn in Riverwood. If you could please help me dig into it I assure you I will follow your direction.

 

Thank you! 

 

Is this on a new save?

 

and should should follow what Ballsy is saying, since your information is off about how the Bashed Patch works.

[Gray Geist]

cornbreadtm,

 

No that Papyrus log I uploaded was on the original save with W&C and Footprints removed but a different CTD occured. Since the post I have started on a new save and will be working on testing it as well as implementing ballsy's instructions. If or when CTD occurs I will post it here if I cannot decipher it myself. 

 

ballsy,

 

Thank you for the instructions.  When I go to wryebash I only see/can do the following:

 

1. Rebuild patch

2. Option to "Deactive these mods prior to patching", which I skip.

3. Screen opens up with "Update Bashed Patch,. 0.esp as header.

4. Option to check several things, none of which are recommended to select other than "Level Lists"

5. Add mods to "Level Lists" section that meet specified criteria. 

 

Requiem

...

DCO
DoD
Deadly Dragons

Bashed Patch

Here is a link below to pictures taken (also attached) of TES5Edit open with Bashed Patch, DD, Requiem and several other mods selected. There doesn't seem to be many overriding conflicts, unless I'm wrong? Again I'm no expert with TES5Edit, I'd say beginner level, I know my way around it a bit. 

 

http://s583.photobucket.com/user/nyzealot/library/Bashed%20Patch

[GrimReaper]

Do you have any enb installed? The HDT physics system? From my experience, if you get random CTDs, i.e. ones you are not able to replicate over and over again then it's most likely not a mod conflict.

[Gray Geist]

GrimReaper,

 

Yes I am running ENB series 0.221 with Project ENB Realistic Settings + COT which is optimized for 0.221 version. I agree this may definitely explain some of the CTDs but not all of the ones that were occurring earlier. 

[ballsy]

cornbreadtm,

 

No that Papyrus log I uploaded was on the original save with W&C and Footprints removed but a different CTD occured. Since the post I have started on a new save and will be working on testing it as well as implementing ballsy's instructions. If or when CTD occurs I will post it here if I cannot decipher it myself. 

 

ballsy,

 

Thank you for the instructions.  When I go to wryebash I only see/can do the following:

 

1. Rebuild patch

2. Option to "Deactive these mods prior to patching", which I skip.

3. Screen opens up with "Update Bashed Patch,. 0.esp as header.

4. Option to check several things, none of which are recommended to select other than "Level Lists"

5. Add mods to "Level Lists" section that meet specified criteria. 

 

Requiem

...

DCO

DoD

Deadly Dragons

Bashed Patch

 

Here is a link below to pictures taken (also attached) of TES5Edit open with Bashed Patch, DD, Requiem and several other mods selected. There doesn't seem to be many overriding conflicts, unless I'm wrong? Again I'm no expert with TES5Edit, I'd say beginner level, I know my way around it a bit. 

 

http://s583.photobucket.com/user/nyzealot/library/Bashed%20Patch

To put it in Laymen's terms, untick esp, rebuild patch, retick esp. That one entry from the Requiem-Falsker.esp isn't carried over, something similar going on with the hothtrooper armor compilation esp, but nothing with DCO DoD and DD. 

[GrimReaper]

GrimReaper,

 

Yes I am running ENB series 0.221 with Project ENB Realistic Settings + COT which is optimized for 0.221 version. I agree this may definitely explain some of the CTDs but not all of the ones that were occurring earlier. 

 

Try removing the enb from your skyrim installation and see how that works. And while we're at it, how big is your savefile?

[Gray Geist]

ballsy,

 

Ok great, I've done as you've instructed regarding the Bashed Patch then and everything should be A-okay with that, I have it at the end with nothing after it. 

 

GrimReaper,

 

My save sizes are running between 9500 and 9800 KB.

 

I'll keep you all updated.

[GrimReaper]

Another thing that I don't see very often is the advice to not use autosaves or quicksaves. From what I heard, Skyrim handles quick- and autosaving in a way that it doesn't contain all scripts that are running in your game, resulting in the possibility of orphaned scripts and such - or at least that there is a possibility that this can happen. I have no idea if this is true, however I think there may be some truth behind it, especially regarding autosaves. Skyrim tries to save the game when leaving or entering a cell which means that the game is saving while it is loading, so there is the possibility of some ugly hiccups the engine might produce, even more so if you have multiple non-vanilla scripts running in the background. What's even worse is that those hiccups might get baked into your next save, resulting in a mess that will make your game ultimately more instable the more you play.

 

But, like I said, I don't really know if this is true or not, just thinking a bit out loud here.

[ballsy]

Something I forgot to mention. This step:

2. Option to "Deactive these mods prior to patching", which I skip.

shows which mods are mergeable. Any mods that are deactivated get merged into the bashed patch, meaning that the bashed patch will do what those mods do. They don't have to be activated after that so basically you get to save .esp space.