thelveres Posted September 1, 2013 Posted September 1, 2013 I am using the unpb nmm body, and everything was fine until i tried to install netimmerse and UNP BASE Main body V1dot2-6709. It didnt work quite right and gave me some weird effects, so i then uninstalled it and everything went back to normal. Problem is, that even after reinstalling almost all possible mods pertaining to body, and even trying to copy the hand textures manually (included in the unpb body nmm bain installer package or other skin textures taken from other mods from other posts), for some reason I get some rough textured hands that do not fit the rest of the body. Also i get some issues with the hands clipping through sleeves. Even the reflections on the hands seem different when casting. Would appreciate any guidance in solving this issue (attaching a screenshot)
Deep Red Posted September 1, 2013 Posted September 1, 2013 Looks like the hands' normal map might be mismatching from the rest of the body. Try using the normal maps from the UNPB body and see if that fixes it. It's the texture files that have the _msn suffix.
thelveres Posted September 2, 2013 Author Posted September 2, 2013 Looks like the hands' normal map might be mismatching from the rest of the body. Try using the normal maps from the UNPB body and see if that fixes it. It's the texture files that have the _msn suffix. I tried copying all the files from the original installer, by reinstalling the patch , and by copying the files directly, for some reason it doesnt seem to change and I can't make sense of it. I even tried other texture packs but they cause lines at the neck, and slight coloration differences.
Seijin8 Posted September 2, 2013 Posted September 2, 2013 I had a similar issue recently, and applying a different specular map fixed it.
thelveres Posted September 2, 2013 Author Posted September 2, 2013 I had a similar issue recently, and applying a different specular map fixed it. Just to be on the safe, i just tried replacing the specific file from the unpb textures folder, that is : UNPB Body NMM BAIN Installer v2-5-2 FIX-37900-2-5-2\80 Skin - Textures\textures\actors\character\female\femalehands_1_msn.dds but nothing changed,.. still get the weird hands that clip through clothing :/ I even tried to install the calyps hd unpb textures using the unp raplacer configuration package but got the same result.. the irritating thing is I cannot understand how this is happening.. only thing i can think of is something overriding these textures, but i cannot see anything in the nmm list that would fit that bill. This is the result i get when using the navetsea textures the difference is less obvious (cause i think the body itself has lower resolution textures) but it is there:
winny257 Posted September 2, 2013 Posted September 2, 2013 it may not always be a texture problem!this effect also occurs when the body you once last updated, allso a newer version of the meshes (femalebody_.nif), but the hands are still from the old version! german \ deutsch ! es muß nicht immer ein textur problem sein !dieser effekt tritt auch ein wenn du mal den körper aktuallisiert hast , allso eine neuere version der meshes ( femalebody_.nif ) aber die hände noch von der alten version stammen !
thelveres Posted September 2, 2013 Author Posted September 2, 2013 it may not always be a texture problem! this effect also occurs when the body you once last updated, allso a newer version of the meshes (femalebody_.nif), but the hands are still from the old version! I have tried replacing the entire packages many times, i even downloaded the standalone package by zyd found here: http://www.loverslab.com/topic/4973-rel-unp-retexture-by-zyd232/ - and various other packages. I am beggining to wonder if the hands are just supposed to look worse, I cannot be sure from the screenshots on that thread, but on the screenshot inluded in the unpb bbp blessed body installer redux (also supposed to be the same package) they seem to be of better quality.
winny257 Posted September 2, 2013 Posted September 2, 2013 'll try hands on UNP normal body, which would be compatible with UNPB! but install manually (not NMM)!here is the path: Steam \ SteamApps \ common \ skyrim \ DATA \ meshes \ actors \ character \ character assets. there you overwrite the two files femalehands_.nif. link : http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/6709 german \ deutsch ! versuche mal die hände vom normalen UNP körper , die müßten kompatibel mit UNPB sein ! aber manuell installieren ( nicht NMM ) !hier ist der pfad : Steam \ SteamApps \ common \ skyrim \ DATA \ meshes \ actors \ character \ character assets . dort überschreibst du die beiden femalehands_.nif dateien .
thelveres Posted September 2, 2013 Author Posted September 2, 2013 'll try hands on UNP normal body, which would be compatible with UNPB! but install manually (not NMM)! here is the path: Steam \ SteamApps \ common \ skyrim \ DATA \ meshes \ actors \ character \ character assets. there you overwrite the two files femalehands_.nif. link : http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/6709 Here are the results: Replacing just the hand meshes from the pack you sent me: Replacing both hand meshes and textures: I keep trying various other things but I am having a hard time tackling this one..
winny257 Posted September 2, 2013 Posted September 2, 2013 'll try hands on UNP normal body, which would be compatible with UNPB! but install manually (not NMM)! here is the path: Steam \ SteamApps \ common \ skyrim \ DATA \ meshes \ actors \ character \ character assets. there you overwrite the two files femalehands_.nif. link : http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/6709 Here are the results: Replacing just the hand meshes from the pack you sent me: ScreenShot4.jpg Replacing both hand meshes and textures: ScreenShot5.jpg I keep trying various other things but I am having a hard time tackling this one.. damn, I thought it works, what can it be? do the reverse and try again meshes times that. You should delete all the body textures, also face textures and install everything new! I'll tell you now what you need everything. femalebody_1.dds femalebody_1_msn.dds femalebody_1_s.dds femalebody_1_sk.dds femalehands_1.dds femalehands_1_msn.dds femalehands_1_s.dds femalehands_1_sk.dds femalehead.dds femalehead_msn.dds femalehead_s.dds femalehead_sk.dds should any of these files are missing then there would have texture problems that same would happen if one of these files is from a different body! german \ deutsch ! verdammt , ich dachte es funktioniert , was kann das nur sein ? mach die meshes wieder rückgängig und versuche mal daß . am besten du löscht alle körper texturen , auch gesichtstexturen und installierst alles neu ! ich sage dir jetzt was du alles benötigst . femalebody_1.dds femalebody_1_msn.dds femalebody_1_s.dds femalebody_1_sk.dds femalehands_1.dds femalehands_1_msn.dds femalehands_1_s.dds femalehands_1_sk.dds femalehead.dds femalehead_msn.dds femalehead_s.dds femalehead_sk.dds sollte eine dieser dateien fehlen dann würde es schon textur probleme geben , daß gleiche würde passieren wenn nur eine dieser dateien von einem anderen körper stammt !
thelveres Posted September 2, 2013 Author Posted September 2, 2013 damn, I thought it works, what can it be? do the reverse and try again meshes times that. You should delete all the body textures, also face textures and install everything new! I'll tell you now what you need everything. femalebody_1.dds femalebody_1_msn.dds femalebody_1_s.dds femalebody_1_sk.dds femalehands_1.dds femalehands_1_msn.dds femalehands_1_s.dds femalehands_1_sk.dds femalehead.dds femalehead_msn.dds femalehead_s.dds femalehead_sk.dds should any of these files are missing then there would have texture problems that same would happen if one of these files is from a different body! Replacing everything resulted in this (all the files are from zyd232's package, copied manually without the use of nmm): I thought something might have been broken by installing and uninstalling netimmerse for a stocking conversion mod, but i checked all the files in that mod and they don't seem to exist in my game..
winny257 Posted September 2, 2013 Posted September 2, 2013 damn, I thought it works, what can it be? do the reverse and try again meshes times that. You should delete all the body textures, also face textures and install everything new! I'll tell you now what you need everything. femalebody_1.dds femalebody_1_msn.dds femalebody_1_s.dds femalebody_1_sk.dds femalehands_1.dds femalehands_1_msn.dds femalehands_1_s.dds femalehands_1_sk.dds femalehead.dds femalehead_msn.dds femalehead_s.dds femalehead_sk.dds should any of these files are missing then there would have texture problems that same would happen if one of these files is from a different body! Replacing everything resulted in this (all the files are from zyd232's package, copied manually without the use of nmm): ScreenShot6.jpg I thought something might have been broken by installing and uninstalling netimmerse for a stocking conversion mod, but i checked all the files in that mod and they don't seem to exist in my game.. there is now only one possibility. I have noticed that shines your body and hands not so strong! 'll try that: http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/31782 http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/29791
thelveres Posted September 2, 2013 Author Posted September 2, 2013 there is now only one possibility. I have noticed that shines your body and hands not so strong! 'll try that: http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/31782 http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/29791 I think the dry skin is indeed an improvement (I had attempted using the bronze shine remover before), however as you will notice, even after this, the hands just seem to be textured different for some reason ..? lower quality ? It is really noticeable if you compare the line on the body/neck, and then compare the line on the forearm/hand, seems blocky for some reason.. and I can't for the life of me understand why that is.. I am really doubting it is the texture at this point, as the same thing seems to be happening with the hd unpb skin textures by calyps - smooth forearms blocky hands. Some interesting things i noticed: Using the unpb redux installer with bbp enabled, causes your hand meshes to clip through the cultist armor sleeves, so i just used the meshes for the body and then got the hand meshes from the standalone unp retexture by zyd232 (same one included in the above installer) with that, hands seem to work fine (using the whole package disables bbp..) Even ignoring the "clipping though the sleeves" effect of the standalone package though, the hands were still lower quality/blockier when undressed. I tried to use the hd texture for the hand (just the base files, not the ones included in the bronze shine / dry skin remover), but the coloration difference between the hands and arms was noticable, and the blockiness was still there.
winny257 Posted September 2, 2013 Posted September 2, 2013 there is now only one possibility. I have noticed that shines your body and hands not so strong! 'll try that: http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/31782 http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/29791 I think the dry skin is indeed an improvement (I had attempted using the bronze shine remover before), however as you will notice, even after this, the hands just seem to be textured different for some reason ..? lower quality ? It is really noticeable if you compare the line on the body/neck, and then compare the line on the forearm/hand, seems blocky for some reason.. and I can't for the life of me understand why that is.. ScreenShot8.jpg I am really doubting it is the texture at this point, as the same thing seems to be happening with the hd unpb skin textures by calyps - smooth forearms blocky hands. there is still one thing you can try, but then my knowledge is exhausted! try a different texture, but only * femalehands_1.dds from another texture mod! if that does not work then you makes it the same with femalehands_1_msn.dds. so that was all I could write to you, I hope it works. here's a mod that I also use myself. http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/4686 german \ deutsch ! eine sache gibt es noch die du versuchen kannst , aber dann ist mein wissen erschöpft ! versuche eine andere textur , aber nur * femalehands_1.dds , aus einer anderen textur mod ! wenn das nicht geht dann machts du das gleiche mit femalehands_1_msn.dds . so das war alles was ich dir schreiben konnte , ich hoffe es klappt . hier ist noch eine mod die ich auch selbst verwende
thelveres Posted September 2, 2013 Author Posted September 2, 2013 there is still one thing you can try, but then my knowledge is exhausted! try a different texture, but only * femalehands_1.dds from another texture mod! if that does not work then you makes it the same with femalehands_1_msn.dds. so that was all I could write to you, I hope it works. here's a mod that I also use myself. http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/4686 german \ deutsch ! eine sache gibt es noch die du versuchen kannst , aber dann ist mein wissen erschöpft ! versuche eine andere textur , aber nur * femalehands_1.dds , aus einer anderen textur mod ! wenn das nicht geht dann machts du das gleiche mit femalehands_1_msn.dds . so das war alles was ich dir schreiben konnte , ich hoffe es klappt . hier ist noch eine mod die ich auch selbst verwende Ok , after a lot of trial and error using your texture pack I got the following results: Using http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/4686 + All_in_One_Face_DawnGuard_v5_0a_female_vamp_for_UNP-17704-v5-0a (it is listed as a requirement on the body texture pack , I got: Using http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/4686 + removed all in one and added the original mod's femalehead.dds (this mod does not include an msn). The pixelated features from the lack of msn are evident. Added my old femalehead_msn.dds: Note that in the first case i used all the files in the "all in one face", while in the other two cases i use the dry skin/bronze glare removal files) In the last picture the hands do much better, and after some experimentation i concluded that the mesh file for the hands in the UNPB Body NMM BAIN Installer v2-5-2 FIX-37900-2-5-2 does not match the bbp mesh body as it should. I am considering keeping this body (although I am quite sure it has a somewhat lower definition), but as you can see in the last picture there are discoloration and slight texture mismatch problems between the head and the body. Have you by any chance come across a head mesh/texture which yields better results ? ( I had heard great things about the all in one face, but as you can see in the first picture it's color /feel is way off - almost reaching a light bronze-silver color - so unless I am missing something it won't actually work with this body) There was nothing I could find in showracemenu to correct this either.
winny257 Posted September 2, 2013 Posted September 2, 2013 there is still one thing you can try, but then my knowledge is exhausted! try a different texture, but only * femalehands_1.dds from another texture mod! if that does not work then you makes it the same with femalehands_1_msn.dds. so that was all I could write to you, I hope it works. here's a mod that I also use myself. http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/4686 german \ deutsch ! eine sache gibt es noch die du versuchen kannst , aber dann ist mein wissen erschöpft ! versuche eine andere textur , aber nur * femalehands_1.dds , aus einer anderen textur mod ! wenn das nicht geht dann machts du das gleiche mit femalehands_1_msn.dds . so das war alles was ich dir schreiben konnte , ich hoffe es klappt . hier ist noch eine mod die ich auch selbst verwende Ok , after a lot of trial and error using your texture pack I got the following results: Using http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/4686 + All_in_One_Face_DawnGuard_v5_0a_female_vamp_for_UNP-17704-v5-0a (it is listed as a requirement on the body texture pack , I got: ScreenShot9.jpg Using http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/4686 + removed all in one and added the original mod's femalehead.dds (this mod does not include an msn). ScreenShot10.jpg The pixelated features from the lack of msn are evident. Added my old femalehead_msn.dds: ScreenShot12.jpg Note that in the first case i used all the files in the "all in one face", while in the other two cases i use the dry skin/bronze glare removal files) In the last picture the hands do much better, and after some experimentation i concluded that the mesh file for the hands in the UNPB Body NMM BAIN Installer v2-5-2 FIX-37900-2-5-2 does not match the bbp mesh body as it should. I am considering keeping this body (although I am quite sure it has a somewhat lower definition), but as you can see in the last picture there are discoloration and slight texture mismatch problems between the head and the body. Have you by any chance come across a head mesh/texture which yields better results ? ( I had heard great things about the all in one face, but as you can see in the first picture it's color /feel is way off - almost reaching a light bronze-silver color - so unless I am missing something it won't actually work with this body) There was nothing I could find in showracemenu to correct this either. I use the CHSBHC body and have no texture problems with hands the head sees something different, that is a problem caused by bethesda with the DLC Dawnguard and "patches 1.8" it is up to the transformation into a vampire. which can make the face look darker, how to fix it, I've no idea, but on the "technology suport" you personalize your smart about dark faces . german \ deutsch ! ich benutze den CHSBHC Body und habe keine textur probleme mit den händen . mit dem kopf sieht das etwas anders aus , daß ist ein problem , verursacht von bethesda mit dem DLC dawnguard und " patches 1.8 " es liegt an der transformation in einen vampier . das läßt das gesicht dunkler aussehen , wie man es beheben kann , davon habe ich keine ahnung , aber auf dem " technik suport " kannst du dich über dunkle gesichter schlau machen .
thelveres Posted September 2, 2013 Author Posted September 2, 2013 I use the CHSBHC body and have no texture problems with hands the head sees something different, that is a problem caused by bethesda with the DLC Dawnguard and "patches 1.8" it is up to the transformation into a vampire. which can make the face look darker, how to fix it, I've no idea, but on the "technology suport" you personalize your smart about dark faces . german \ deutsch ! ich benutze den CHSBHC Body und habe keine textur probleme mit den händen . mit dem kopf sieht das etwas anders aus , daß ist ein problem , verursacht von bethesda mit dem DLC dawnguard und " patches 1.8 " es liegt an der transformation in einen vampier . das läßt das gesicht dunkler aussehen , wie man es beheben kann , davon habe ich keine ahnung , aber auf dem " technik suport " kannst du dich über dunkle gesichter schlau machen . Yes, I used to have the chsbhc body as well, but it cause various other problems for me with armor, less armors /clothing available, that's why I am trying this at the moment. One nice feature chsbhc had was the bouncy butt mod. Are you using the head textures from your skin mod or some other specific texture ? Which chsbhc armor mods are you using ?
winny257 Posted September 3, 2013 Posted September 3, 2013 I use the CHSBHC body and have no texture problems with hands the head sees something different, that is a problem caused by bethesda with the DLC Dawnguard and "patches 1.8" it is up to the transformation into a vampire. which can make the face look darker, how to fix it, I've no idea, but on the "technology suport" you personalize your smart about dark faces . german \ deutsch ! ich benutze den CHSBHC Body und habe keine textur probleme mit den händen . mit dem kopf sieht das etwas anders aus , daß ist ein problem , verursacht von bethesda mit dem DLC dawnguard und " patches 1.8 " es liegt an der transformation in einen vampier . das läßt das gesicht dunkler aussehen , wie man es beheben kann , davon habe ich keine ahnung , aber auf dem " technik suport " kannst du dich über dunkle gesichter schlau machen . Yes, I used to have the chsbhc body as well, but it cause various other problems for me with armor, less armors /clothing available, that's why I am trying this at the moment. One nice feature chsbhc had was the bouncy butt mod. Are you using the head textures from your skin mod or some other specific texture ? Which chsbhc armor mods are you using ? you are already a me, you've given me two sleepless nights! it's all modder do anything for CHSBHC body, but there are many armors that I can not use. http://www.loverslab.com/topic/10546-wip-chsbhc-armor-conversions-o3zman-and-ozzking/ http://www.loverslab.com/topic/6295-chsbhc-armors-and-clothes-conversions/ http://www.loverslab.com/topic/4466-armor-chsbhc/ http://www.loverslab.com/topic/5341-megax780-converts/ http://www.loverslab.com/topic/3879-zorgats-2pacs-armorcloth-chsbhc-conversion-link-added/ http://www.loverslab.com/topic/5557-chsbhcbbp-armors/ http://www.loverslab.com/topic/15208-megalovs-thread/ http://www.loverslab.com/topic/3129-modding-armor-for-chsbhc-bbp-tutorial-for-3ds-max/ You see there are a lot and many of them are there for no other body. I even have a texture file, which made it ot me * to use textures CBBE v3. But more on that later, first I want to hear your opinion about the armor. german \ deutsch ! du bist mir schon einer , du hast mir zwei schlaflose nächte bereitet ! es stimmt alle modder machen nichts mehr für den CHSBHC körper , aber es gibt soviele rüstungen das ich nicht alle verwenden kann . du siehst es sind eine menge und viele davon gibt es für keinen anderen körper . ich habe sogar eine textur datei , die es mir ermögicht *CBBE v3 texturen zu verwenden . aber dazu später mehr , erst möchte ich deine meinung über die rüstungen hören .
thelveres Posted September 3, 2013 Author Posted September 3, 2013 it's all modder do anything for CHSBHC body, but there are many armors that I can not use. ou are already a me, you've given me two sleepless nights! http://www.loverslab.com/topic/10546-wip-chsbhc-armor-conversions-o3zman-and-ozzking/ http://www.loverslab.com/topic/6295-chsbhc-armors-and-clothes-conversions/ http://www.loverslab.com/topic/4466-armor-chsbhc/ http://www.loverslab.com/topic/5341-megax780-converts/ http://www.loverslab.com/topic/3879-zorgats-2pacs-armorcloth-chsbhc-conversion-link-added/ http://www.loverslab.com/topic/5557-chsbhcbbp-armors/ http://www.loverslab.com/topic/15208-megalovs-thread/ http://www.loverslab.com/topic/3129-modding-armor-for-chsbhc-bbp-tutorial-for-3ds-max/ You see there are a lot and many of them are there for no other body. I even have a texture file, which made it ot me * to use textures CBBE v3. But more on that later, first I want to hear your opinion about the armor. I have also been spending a lot of time on this! Seems impossible to get it just right, the above result is as good as I can get it for unpb. I liked your armor suggestions, it is too bad that I cannot find a 700mp compilation that is one of those posts, all links for it seem to be broken. The thing is i like feminine but less skimpy armors, so I want to focus on that, and for some reason the unpb ones that fit that description were easier to find for unpb. I am currently retrying chsbhc, I installed cbbe, which seems to have the best texture intergration I have seen so far by itself, but after installing chsbhc and natural breast animation over it, the hand/feet textures got a bit messed up. I saw some suggestion to use the cbbe textures for the hands, but it doesnt seem to fix the issue for me. I am gonna keep trying a few mesh combinations, but if you have some specific suggestion it could save me a lot of time Edit: Ok after a lot of tinkering with the hands/feet fix circulating in the forums and various meshes/textures this is how I got it to look so far: You will notice there is still room for improvement in the hands/feet seams, and maybe i could use a better hand texture but don't know where to go from here, unless I replace the whole skin texture set.
winny257 Posted September 3, 2013 Posted September 3, 2013 it's all modder do anything for CHSBHC body, but there are many armors that I can not use. ou are already a me, you've given me two sleepless nights! http://www.loverslab.com/topic/10546-wip-chsbhc-armor-conversions-o3zman-and-ozzking/ http://www.loverslab.com/topic/6295-chsbhc-armors-and-clothes-conversions/ http://www.loverslab.com/topic/4466-armor-chsbhc/ http://www.loverslab.com/topic/5341-megax780-converts/ http://www.loverslab.com/topic/3879-zorgats-2pacs-armorcloth-chsbhc-conversion-link-added/ http://www.loverslab.com/topic/5557-chsbhcbbp-armors/ http://www.loverslab.com/topic/15208-megalovs-thread/ http://www.loverslab.com/topic/3129-modding-armor-for-chsbhc-bbp-tutorial-for-3ds-max/ You see there are a lot and many of them are there for no other body. I even have a texture file, which made it ot me * to use textures CBBE v3. But more on that later, first I want to hear your opinion about the armor. I have also been spending a lot of time on this! Seems impossible to get it just right, the above result is as good as I can get it for unpb. I liked your armor suggestions, it is too bad that I cannot find a 700mp compilation that is one of those posts, all links for it seem to be broken. The thing is i like feminine but less skimpy armors, so I want to focus on that, and for some reason the unpb ones that fit that description were easier to find for unpb. I am currently retrying chsbhc, I installed cbbe, which seems to have the best texture intergration I have seen so far by itself, but after installing chsbhc and natural breast animation over it, the hand/feet textures got a bit messed up. I saw some suggestion to use the cbbe textures for the hands, but it doesnt seem to fix the issue for me. I am gonna keep trying a few mesh combinations, but if you have some specific suggestion it could save me a lot of time I did not know that many armor mods are broken! everything I know about textures I have told you, my knowledge is exhausted! I do not how I can help you know. german \ deutsch ! ich wusste nicht das viele rüstungs mods gebrochen sind ! alles was ich über texturen weiß habe ich dir mitgeteilt , mein wissen ist erschöpft ! ich weiß nicht mehr wie ich dir weiterhelfen kann .
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