Schmendrick Posted August 31, 2013 Posted August 31, 2013 Hello and welcome. You will find in time that modding is a game that takes a lot of patience, reading, testing and failing. I remember when I started modding Oblivion, I wanted so bad that my character looked like one of those in nexus site and took me a lot of time and effort to understand what was going on and what was I missing, so I could finally achieve something I liked. Would you post your load order here, so we can see what could be the problem? Also, you may want to try both Wrye Bash and BOSS utilities to install, uninstall and sort your plugins: Again, this will require of your reading and your patience... a lot of both, but feel free to ask whenever you are lost.
LoveMeSomeUlfric7 Posted September 1, 2013 Author Posted September 1, 2013 I noticed some of my mods are not listed on BOSS and are not listed in my load order either? Like no more blocky noses, which also does not show up on my NMM for some reason, maybe because I manually installed it? Yes, I know now that I have no business manually installing anything right now btw, I was encouraged to get 7zip and learn how to unpack and keep a folder of installed mods, although the last few I just let NMM deal with. Anyway, here we go.... Skyrim.esm Update.esm Hearthfires.esm Apachiihair.esm Unofficial Skrim Patch.esp Unofficial Hearthfire patch.esp Static Mesh Improvement Mod.esp Static Mesh Improvement Mod furniturechestsnowfix.esp SkyUI.esp Ri8pn-eisenplatteArmor.esp TeraArmors_cbbe.esp Alternate start LiveAnotherLife.esp ok, I also have these mods on my present game that I do not see on there. NM Blocky noses, Bellas Better Females, (optional makeup version 1 deactivated), Bellas Natural Edition no makeup, Hialiago boost and cbbe v3. All nexus mods. I am certain it is none of the mods I have now. The first game I played was like 150MB and the only mod I have in common now is unofficial patches. So the beast must lie in the Steam Workshop. In a mod that should not even still be lurking around. I only had 4... let me see.... ok let me see if i can find them. It might not be a mod at all, really, though, before we go lighting torches, I have heard of people on ps3 with this issue. +++++++Edit ok, on that first 150MB round, I had the following four only through Steam. Unofficial Patches, Build your own home, India lady Dwarven Armour, and Better Bard Songs. In no way am I implying it was one of them but if it is a mod it is one of these 4 and it is still embedded in my game somehow.
Setekh Posted September 1, 2013 Posted September 1, 2013 Even if you get an upgraded power supply and a dedicated graphics card, that i3 processor will bottle neck it so badly it won't even feel like an improvement. You might be able to get away with a few character or clothes mods but beyond that, forget it.
Spyder Arachnid Posted September 1, 2013 Posted September 1, 2013 One mod I might suggest if you are trying to get a pretty character, is ECE (Enhanced Character Edit). It adds a bunch of new sliders to character creation to help you fine tune your character how you see fit. You can check out my character gallery linked in my signature to see my character. I use ECE, along with SG Textures Renewal + Better Females by Bella (install Bella first, than SG Textures afterwards. I keep Bella's cause I like Bella's eyebrows). My character is a basic Nord, and you can see the difference ECE makes with all those sliders on getting the look you want. Here's my character currently using the above. Apachii Hair is kind of a hog if you're not using it for multiple mods, so if you're not dedicated to it, I'd suggest maybe trying SG Hair Pack here on LoversLab. Has a lot of great hairs and it looks much nicer in my opinion. Or you can use both, but you'll need the PreCache Killer mod to stop from crashing with multiple hair plugins. Also noticed you have CBBE Tera armors, but you didn't mention if you actually installed CBBE in the first place lol. Might want to pick that up so you have matching bodies to your armors. Hope that helps out somewhat.
bafao Posted September 1, 2013 Posted September 1, 2013 [...] I am certain it is none of the mods I have now. The first game I played was like 150MB and the only mod I have in common now is unofficial patches. So the beast must lie in the Steam Workshop. In a mod that should not even still be lurking around. I only had 4... let me see.... ok let me see if i can find them. It might not be a mod at all, really, though, before we go lighting torches, I have heard of people on ps3 with this issue. +++++++Edit ok, on that first 150MB round, I had the following four only through Steam. Unofficial Patches, Build your own home, India Dwarven Armour, Build your own Home, and Better Bard Songs. In no way am I implying it was one of them but if it is a mod it is one of these 4 and it is still embedded in my game somehow. That looks fine. I have used most of them myself and I had no problems with my saves. The reason those other mods do not appear on your load order is because they do not have an .esm or .esp. The only mods that can possibly mess up will appear in your load order. Unofficial Patches and the armor mod, definitely not. Better Bards is okay as well. I'm thinking maybe Build your own Home may be the cause of your problems. If you build alot of homes, the information must be stored in the saved game. Unless you have this problem in Vanilla Skyrim as well, it is definitely a mod. Consider using mods from STEP. The mods recommended by them are fairly stable and will not cause problems unless your save goes into thousands of hours. http://wiki.step-project.com/STEP:Guide You can safely assume that texture and armor mods are harmless.
LoveMeSomeUlfric7 Posted September 1, 2013 Author Posted September 1, 2013 Wow, my largest save ever only got to 21mb and I run a number of mods with scripts. One possible way to find the problem mod is to turn on script logging: Instructions for enabling logging in Skyrim Find Skyrim.ini in your "My Documents" folder. Open it up in Notepad or your preferred text editor. Then make the following changes and save it. You'll find the logs inside the "My Documents\My Games\Skyrim\Logs\" folder the next time you run the game. The most recent log will always be named "Papyrus.0.log" [Papyrus] fPostLoadUpdateTimeMS=500.0 bEnableLogging=1 bEnableTrace=1 bLoadDebugInformation=1 To disable logging again just change the "=1" to "=0" for the three values marked "=" above. Try logging a short session in the game and then posting the log here (if it's really huge just post a smaller section of it).Also, the list of mods you are using will help. One of them is a real beast if its caused your saves to bloat like that. WaxenFigure, I am going to try and see if by some chance a friend I met on the Beth forums is able to help me with that through rdp because I am scared all Oblivion will break loose if I attempted that myself. Im sure I will make a dash at it whilst seeping with terror if I cannot bait someone into helping me soon enough. lol. EDIT- I did it! hourahhh!!! ok now to play a min and post it! I get so proud of myself over the simplest things on here. RDP is still well appreciated, ....anyone? throws line out.... waiting for the sinker to bob.... Hello and welcome. You will find in time that modding is a game that takes a lot of patience, reading, testing and failing. I remember when I started modding Oblivion, I wanted so bad that my character looked like one of those in nexus site and took me a lot of time and effort to understand what was going on and what was I missing, so I could finally achieve something I liked. Would you post your load order here, so we can see what could be the problem? Also, you may want to try both Wrye Bash and BOSS utilities to install, uninstall and sort your plugins: Again, this will require of your reading and your patience... a lot of both, but feel free to ask whenever you are lost. Reading and patience, I might can manage and muster that. I use BOSS and I do indeed need to look into using Wrye Bash, as you so nicely suggested. btw, Im not sure why, but you come off as the sweetest person & I both dig your tone and appreciate it. My load order is posted above. Digital hugs to you, PirataBonifacio! One mod I might suggest if you are trying to get a pretty character, is ECE (Enhanced Character Edit). It adds a bunch of new sliders to character creation to help you fine tune your character how you see fit. You can check out my character gallery linked in my signature to see my character. I use ECE, along with SG Textures Renewal + Better Females by Bella (install Bella first, than SG Textures afterwards. I keep Bella's cause I like Bella's eyebrows). My character is a basic Nord, and you can see the difference ECE makes with all those sliders on getting the look you want. Here's my character currently using the above. Apachii Hair is kind of a hog if you're not using it for multiple mods, so if you're not dedicated to it, I'd suggest maybe trying SG Hair Pack here on LoversLab. Has a lot of great hairs and it looks much nicer in my opinion. Or you can use both, but you'll need the PreCache Killer mod to stop from crashing with multiple hair plugins. Also noticed you have CBBE Tera armors, but you didn't mention if you actually installed CBBE in the first place lol. Might want to pick that up so you have matching bodies to your armors. Hope that helps out somewhat. Spyder Arachnid, good looking out, I do have cbbe v3! I had forgotten to post it. Thanks so much! Your character is quite foxy. I love seeing beautiful Nord characters! She is one of the cutest, with those bifocals on First of all than kyou very much for getting me back on the most important topic here. Especially now that I know I have no choice but to face this dragon that is save game bloat. My first save was 150MB. The SKSE fix got it down to like 40MB, before I reinstalled altogether. *I had never uninstalled a mod on that save but was told that an active Build your own home was the cause, possibly. I have none of the same mods this time, besides the UO patches. So I then paid a repair tech who used to mod back in the MW days to clear out everything "Skyrim" and re-install. I thought I was good to go until about 5 days ago, when I finally found my Save folder and saw my new game was 57MB. I applied the SKSE fix, waited a month in Breezehome and deleted some saves to no avail whatsoever. It climbed to 75MB in a couple days. A couple days ago, I deleted some more saves and brought it down to 38MB. It climbed back to 46MB in a day. I keep about 10 saves, usually, now about 7. So not realizing that mods increase save file size like crazy, I added SMIM to the madness yesterday and now Im sitting at 54MB Can you go to %LOCALAPPDATA%\Skyrim and upload or write the contents of the loadorder.txt file? It's probably an old, no longer supported mod that is messing up your save game every time and you'd be better off without it. Thank you! You are so appreciated! I found it and posted it above [...] I am certain it is none of the mods I have now. The first game I played was like 150MB and the only mod I have in common now is unofficial patches. So the beast must lie in the Steam Workshop. In a mod that should not even still be lurking around. I only had 4... let me see.... ok let me see if i can find them. It might not be a mod at all, really, though, before we go lighting torches, I have heard of people on ps3 with this issue. +++++++Edit ok, on that first 150MB round, I had the following four only through Steam. Unofficial Patches, Build your own home, India Dwarven Armour, Build your own Home, and Better Bard Songs. In no way am I implying it was one of them but if it is a mod it is one of these 4 and it is still embedded in my game somehow. That looks fine. I have used most of them myself and I had no problems with my saves. The reason those other mods do not appear on your load order is because they do not have an .esm or .esp. The only mods that can possibly mess up will appear in your load order. Unofficial Patches and the armor mod, definitely not. Better Bards is okay as well. I'm thinking maybe Build your own Home may be the cause of your problems. If you build alot of homes, the information must be stored in the saved game. Unless you have this problem in Vanilla Skyrim as well, it is definitely a mod. Consider using mods from STEP. The mods recommended by them are fairly stable and will not cause problems unless your save goes into thousands of hours. http://wiki.step-project.com/STEP:Guide You can safely assume that texture and armor mods are harmless. bafao, thank you so much for explaining that. May I ask a silly question of you? How would I, or could I even, play a vanilla game for testing and also keep my current save game and mods in case it can be fixed somehow? I have only played one game at a time so far. I am so lost. That was my first spoiler so I hope it worked! ...and I see it did only I so should have replied individually. That is a great big cluster up there. Sorry bout that
bafao Posted September 1, 2013 Posted September 1, 2013 bafao, thank you so much for explaining that. May I ask a silly question of you? How would I, or could I even, play a vanilla game for testing and also keep my current save game and mods in case it can be fixed somehow? I have only played one game at a time so far. I am so lost. For most mods, you can simply deactivate the .esm or .esp files and their changes will not take effect in-game. Skyrim.esm Update.esm Hearthfires.esm Your modded save will not be affected, but keep in mind that Quicksave and Autosave will be overwritten. That is not 100% vanilla, however. If you installed mods manually that overwrite game files, unless you made a backup, you will need to reinstall the game. If you only used mod managers, then you can simply uninstall the mods. Whatever you decide to do, you will need all your mods to play your modded save again later on, so make sure you keep a list of your current mods. If you reinstall the game or are concerned about losing your save files, you can find them here: C:\Users\<your_username>\Documents\My Games\Skyrim\Saves Just make a copy of them somewhere else, and when you want to restore them copy them back.
LoveMeSomeUlfric7 Posted September 1, 2013 Author Posted September 1, 2013 Even if you get an upgraded power supply and a dedicated graphics card, that i3 processor will bottle neck it so badly it won't even feel like an improvement. You might be able to get away with a few character or clothes mods but beyond that, forget it. What about the Marriageable or Obedient Ulfric mods... or some sexytime animations? Is that way too much for my pc? I looked up your particular shuttle, if you wanted to go with a dedicated graphics card a Low Profile looks to be the only thing you'd have room for "this link shows quite a few" http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=low+profile+video+card+pci+express+x16&N=-1&isNodeId=1 as far as a PSU, with a lowpro you could stay with what you have. I couldn't find any interior dimensions for room over the PCIE slot but the side view looked to be very limited on space. Everything else should be within limits to run Skyrim just fine. Much of the prettiness of characters is due in part to ENB as well as time spent creating them, your girl looks very nice The right lighting and ENB can make a huge difference. and there are quite a few ENB's made for performance that do a nice job of what some of the others do that laggg your computer. Just have to find what works and looks best on your machine. Mogie56.... you looked up my computer <3 Thank you for taking the time out!! Are there any performance enhancing ENB's that you would suggest?
Spyder Arachnid Posted September 1, 2013 Posted September 1, 2013 Even if you get an upgraded power supply and a dedicated graphics card, that i3 processor will bottle neck it so badly it won't even feel like an improvement. You might be able to get away with a few character or clothes mods but beyond that, forget it. What about the Marriageable or Obedient Ulfric mods... or some sexytime animations? Is that way too much for my pc? I looked up your particular shuttle, if you wanted to go with a dedicated graphics card a Low Profile looks to be the only thing you'd have room for "this link shows quite a few" http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=low+profile+video+card+pci+express+x16&N=-1&isNodeId=1 as far as a PSU, with a lowpro you could stay with what you have. I couldn't find any interior dimensions for room over the PCIE slot but the side view looked to be very limited on space. Everything else should be within limits to run Skyrim just fine. Much of the prettiness of characters is due in part to ENB as well as time spent creating them, your girl looks very nice The right lighting and ENB can make a huge difference. and there are quite a few ENB's made for performance that do a nice job of what some of the others do that laggg your computer. Just have to find what works and looks best on your machine. Mogie56.... you looked up my computer <3 Thank you for taking the time out!! Are there any performance enhancing ENB's that you would suggest? Using Business Time mods won't affect your performance, so no worries there. The things you got to watch out for the most, are the HD or HQ texture mods. Those will cost you performance if your rig isn't up for it. And using an Optimizer for your textures will help on that end as well (with any texture, not just HD ones). As for a performance friendly ENB, there was one I used a long long time ago when my old computer could barely handle Skyrim. It was Cinemascope ENB and had great performance. I used the Realistic version without film grain and the bars (vinigette or something like that). You can give that a try if you want and see how it works for you. If it slows you down too much, you can just delete the files and no harm no foul.
ousnius Posted September 1, 2013 Posted September 1, 2013 Even if you get an upgraded power supply and a dedicated graphics card, that i3 processor will bottle neck it so badly it won't even feel like an improvement. You might be able to get away with a few character or clothes mods but beyond that, forget it. What about the Marriageable or Obedient Ulfric mods... or some sexytime animations? Is that way too much for my pc? I looked up your particular shuttle, if you wanted to go with a dedicated graphics card a Low Profile looks to be the only thing you'd have room for "this link shows quite a few" http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=low+profile+video+card+pci+express+x16&N=-1&isNodeId=1 ...SNIPPED Mogie56.... you looked up my computer <3 Thank you for taking the time out!! Are there any performance enhancing ENB's that you would suggest? Mods like this mostly consist of stuff like small scripts and/or animations, that usually doesn't cause any performance drop at all. What do you mean with performance "enhancing" ENB's? There's something called ENBoost by the original ENB programmer which disables all visual changes ENB does and only enables some memory and crash fixes and enhancements. Other than that there's no ENB preset that "enhances" performance at all. To use that, download version 0.213 here: http://www.enbdev.com/download_mod_tesskyrim.htm Install the wrapper version into the main Skyrim folder and set "UsePatchSpeedhackWithoutGraphics=true" in the enblocal.ini file to disable visuals. Here's more information about ENBoost (which is included in the files above already): http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/38649 You'll probably have to change some .ini values to fit your PC. NOTE: ENB's are not compatible with HiAlgoBoost. Atleast not without manual adjustment of file names and .ini entries.
LoveMeSomeUlfric7 Posted September 1, 2013 Author Posted September 1, 2013 Wow, my largest save ever only got to 21mb and I run a number of mods with scripts. One possible way to find the problem mod is to turn on script logging: Instructions for enabling logging in Skyrim Find Skyrim.ini in your "My Documents" folder. Open it up in Notepad or your preferred text editor. Then make the following changes and save it. You'll find the logs inside the "My Documents\My Games\Skyrim\Logs\" folder the next time you run the game. The most recent log will always be named "Papyrus.0.log" [Papyrus] fPostLoadUpdateTimeMS=500.0 bEnableLogging=1 bEnableTrace=1 bLoadDebugInformation=1 To disable logging again just change the "=1" to "=0" for the three values marked "=" above. Try logging a short session in the game and then posting the log here (if it's really huge just post a smaller section of it). Also, the list of mods you are using will help. One of them is a real beast if its caused your saves to bloat like that. ok, I changed those 3 values to =1 and played about 20 minutes or so but when I click on the Logs folder Ethell says "This Folder is Empty". I have SteamCloud Sync and Auto Save disabled, idk if that makes any difference? ...(of course). Did I not play long enough or did I not do something right?
Spyder Arachnid Posted September 1, 2013 Posted September 1, 2013 I had this issue as well with logging. Realized it doesn't log the first time you enable it for some reason. Just save and and quit and start up a new session. Should start logging then.
LoveMeSomeUlfric7 Posted September 1, 2013 Author Posted September 1, 2013 SpyderArachnid! You were right! Here is what I copied! [09/01/2013 - 12:15:57PM] Papyrus log opened (PC) [09/01/2013 - 12:15:57PM] Update budget: 1.200000ms (Extra tasklet budget: 1.200000ms, Load screen budget: 500.000000ms) [09/01/2013 - 12:15:57PM] Memory page: 128 (min) 512 (max) 76800 (max total) [09/01/2013 - 12:16:17PM] warning: Property pTG05KarliahInvisibilitySpell on script QF_TG05_00021551 attached to TG05 (00021551) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property [09/01/2013 - 12:16:17PM] warning: Property TG05KarliahInvisibilitySpell on script tg06questscript attached to TG06 (00021552) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property [09/01/2013 - 12:16:17PM] VM is freezing... [09/01/2013 - 12:16:17PM] VM is frozen [09/01/2013 - 12:16:17PM] Reverting game... [09/01/2013 - 12:16:18PM] warning: Property pTG05KarliahInvisibilitySpell on script QF_TG05_00021551 attached to TG05 (00021551) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property [09/01/2013 - 12:16:18PM] warning: Property TG05KarliahInvisibilitySpell on script tg06questscript attached to TG06 (00021552) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property [09/01/2013 - 12:16:25PM] Loading game... [09/01/2013 - 12:16:25PM] VM is thawing... [09/01/2013 - 12:16:25PM] Error: File "Dawnguard.esm" does not exist or is not currently loaded. stack: <unknown self>.Game.GetFormFromFile() - "<native>" Line ? [ARTHLALVersionTracking (0B049F33)].arth_lal_versiontrackingscript.DLCSupportCheck() - "ARTH_LAL_VersionTrackingScript.psc" Line 60 [alias Player on quest ARTHLALVersionTracking (0B049F33)].ARTH_LAL_VersionTrackingAliasScript.OnPlayerLoadGame() - "ARTH_LAL_VersionTrackingAliasScript.psc" Line 6 [09/01/2013 - 12:16:25PM] Error: File "Dragonborn.esm" does not exist or is not currently loaded. stack: <unknown self>.Game.GetFormFromFile() - "<native>" Line ? [ARTHLALVersionTracking (0B049F33)].arth_lal_versiontrackingscript.DLCSupportCheck() - "ARTH_LAL_VersionTrackingScript.psc" Line 99 [alias Player on quest ARTHLALVersionTracking (0B049F33)].ARTH_LAL_VersionTrackingAliasScript.OnPlayerLoadGame() - "ARTH_LAL_VersionTrackingAliasScript.psc" Line 6 [09/01/2013 - 12:16:25PM] Error: File "Dawnguard.esm" does not exist or is not currently loaded. stack: <unknown self>.Game.GetFormFromFile() - "<native>" Line ? [bYOHHouseBuilding (0200305D)].byohhousebuildingscript.InitializeOtherDLC() - "BYOHHouseBuildingScript.psc" Line 478 [alias Player on quest BYOHHouseBuilding (0200305D)].BYOHHouseBuildingPlayerScript.OnPlayerLoadGame() - "BYOHHouseBuildingPlayerScript.psc" Line 29 [09/01/2013 - 12:16:26PM] InitWidgetLoader() [09/01/2013 - 12:38:44PM] warning: Negative time delta during VM update - clamping to 0. (Current: 1369943, Previous 1369951, Delta: -8) [09/01/2013 - 12:41:43PM] Error: alias Follower on quest MQ301 (00044C56): Cannot force the alias's reference to a None reference. stack: [alias Follower on quest MQ301 (00044C56)].SwapJobAliasScript.ForceRefTo() - "<native>" Line ? [alias Follower on quest MQ301 (00044C56)].SwapJobAliasScript.OnUpdate() - "SwapJobAliasScript.psc" Line 24 [09/01/2013 - 12:41:48PM] Error: alias Follower on quest MQ301 (00044C56): Cannot force the alias's reference to a None reference. stack: [alias Follower on quest MQ301 (00044C56)].SwapJobAliasScript.ForceRefTo() - "<native>" Line ? [alias Follower on quest MQ301 (00044C56)].SwapJobAliasScript.OnUpdate() - "SwapJobAliasScript.psc" Line 24 [09/01/2013 - 12:41:50PM] VM is freezing... [09/01/2013 - 12:41:50PM] VM is frozen [09/01/2013 - 12:41:50PM] Reverting game... [09/01/2013 - 12:41:51PM] Loading game... [09/01/2013 - 12:41:51PM] warning: Property pTG05KarliahInvisibilitySpell on script QF_TG05_00021551 attached to TG05 (00021551) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property [09/01/2013 - 12:41:51PM] warning: Property TG05KarliahInvisibilitySpell on script tg06questscript attached to TG06 (00021552) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property [09/01/2013 - 12:41:52PM] VM is thawing... [09/01/2013 - 12:41:52PM] Error: File "Dawnguard.esm" does not exist or is not currently loaded. stack: <unknown self>.Game.GetFormFromFile() - "<native>" Line ? [bYOHHouseBuilding (0200305D)].byohhousebuildingscript.InitializeOtherDLC() - "BYOHHouseBuildingScript.psc" Line 478 [alias Player on quest BYOHHouseBuilding (0200305D)].BYOHHouseBuildingPlayerScript.OnPlayerLoadGame() - "BYOHHouseBuildingPlayerScript.psc" Line 29 [09/01/2013 - 12:41:52PM] Error: File "Dawnguard.esm" does not exist or is not currently loaded. stack: <unknown self>.Game.GetFormFromFile() - "<native>" Line ? [ARTHLALVersionTracking (0B049F33)].arth_lal_versiontrackingscript.DLCSupportCheck() - "ARTH_LAL_VersionTrackingScript.psc" Line 60 [alias Player on quest ARTHLALVersionTracking (0B049F33)].ARTH_LAL_VersionTrackingAliasScript.OnPlayerLoadGame() - "ARTH_LAL_VersionTrackingAliasScript.psc" Line 6 [09/01/2013 - 12:41:52PM] Error: File "Dragonborn.esm" does not exist or is not currently loaded. stack: <unknown self>.Game.GetFormFromFile() - "<native>" Line ? [ARTHLALVersionTracking (0B049F33)].arth_lal_versiontrackingscript.DLCSupportCheck() - "ARTH_LAL_VersionTrackingScript.psc" Line 99 [alias Player on quest ARTHLALVersionTracking (0B049F33)].ARTH_LAL_VersionTrackingAliasScript.OnPlayerLoadGame() - "ARTH_LAL_VersionTrackingAliasScript.psc" Line 6 [09/01/2013 - 12:41:52PM] InitWidgetLoader() [09/01/2013 - 12:47:09PM] warning: Negative time delta during VM update - clamping to 0. (Current: 1910125, Previous 1910139, Delta: -14) [09/01/2013 - 12:47:31PM] Info: *Achievement 25 awarded - a winnar is you!* [09/01/2013 - 12:48:38PM] Info: *Achievement 34 awarded - a winnar is you!* [09/01/2013 - 12:50:03PM] Error: (0004D944): has no 3d, and so cannot have its motion type changed. stack: [ (0004D944)].MaceTrap.SetMotionType() - "<native>" Line ? [ (0004D944)].MaceTrap.OnCellDetach() - "MaceTrap.psc" Line 45 [09/01/2013 - 01:32:01PM] VM is freezing... [09/01/2013 - 01:32:01PM] VM is frozen [09/01/2013 - 01:32:02PM] Saving game... [09/01/2013 - 01:32:02PM] VM is thawing... [09/01/2013 - 01:36:25PM] Persuade: [Actor < (FF00081A)>] [09/01/2013 - 01:36:25PM] [favordialoguescript <DialogueFavorGeneric (0005A6DC)>]Current Skill uses given: 4200.000000 times the Skill Use Multiplier [09/01/2013 - 01:36:26PM] Info: *Achievement 28 awarded - a winnar is you!* [09/01/2013 - 01:41:03PM] Info: *Achievement 39 awarded - a winnar is you!* [09/01/2013 - 02:20:07PM] Info: *Achievement 25 awarded - a winnar is you!* [09/01/2013 - 02:20:59PM] Info: *Achievement 39 awarded - a winnar is you!* [09/01/2013 - 02:25:40PM] Error: Failed to setup moving reference because it has no parent cell or no 3D stack: [ (FF00131A)].critterFish.SplineTranslateTo() - "<native>" Line ? [ (FF00131A)].critterFish.SchoolWithOtherFish() - "CritterFish.psc" Line 288 [ (FF00131A)].critterFish.OnUpdate() - "CritterFish.psc" Line 144 [09/01/2013 - 02:25:48PM] Info: *Achievement 39 awarded - a winnar is you!* [09/01/2013 - 02:41:08PM] Error: Cannot call RemoveFromFaction() on a None object, aborting function call stack: [ (0001BA06)].TelravMasterSCRIPT.OnDeath() - "TelravMasterSCRIPT.psc" Line 30 [09/01/2013 - 02:41:08PM] Error: Cannot call RemoveFromFaction() on a None object, aborting function call stack: [ (0001BA06)].TelravMasterSCRIPT.OnDeath() - "TelravMasterSCRIPT.psc" Line 37 [09/01/2013 - 02:41:08PM] Error: Cannot call EvaluatePackage() on a None object, aborting function call stack: [ (0001BA06)].TelravMasterSCRIPT.OnDeath() - "TelravMasterSCRIPT.psc" Line 50 [09/01/2013 - 02:41:08PM] Info: *Achievement 25 awarded - a winnar is you!* [09/01/2013 - 02:44:28PM] Info: *Achievement 39 awarded - a winnar is you!* [09/01/2013 - 02:49:40PM] Info: *Achievement 47 awarded - a winnar is you!* [09/01/2013 - 02:49:40PM] Info: *Achievement 48 awarded - a winnar is you!* [09/01/2013 - 02:49:40PM] Info: *Achievement 49 awarded - a winnar is you!* [09/01/2013 - 02:55:00PM] Info: *Achievement 25 awarded - a winnar is you!* [09/01/2013 - 02:55:10PM] Info: *Achievement 25 awarded - a winnar is you!* [09/01/2013 - 03:16:08PM] VM is freezing... [09/01/2013 - 03:16:08PM] VM is frozen [09/01/2013 - 03:16:08PM] Saving game... [09/01/2013 - 03:16:08PM] VM is thawing... [09/01/2013 - 03:22:45PM] warning: Negative time delta during VM update - clamping to 0. (Current: 11417104, Previous 11417159, Delta: -55) [09/01/2013 - 03:26:52PM] VM is freezing... [09/01/2013 - 03:26:52PM] VM is frozen [09/01/2013 - 03:26:53PM] Saving game... [09/01/2013 - 03:26:53PM] VM is thawing... [09/01/2013 - 03:27:17PM] Error: (00061067): Failed to send event TailBleed03 for unspecified reasons. stack: [ (00061067)].dragonactorscript.PlaySubGraphAnimation() - "<native>" Line ? [Active effect 1 on (00061067)].FXDragonBloodDamageScript.OnHit() - "FXDragonBloodDamageScript.psc" Line 346 [09/01/2013 - 03:27:25PM] Error: (00061067): Failed to send event TailBleed04 for unspecified reasons. stack: [ (00061067)].dragonactorscript.PlaySubGraphAnimation() - "<native>" Line ? [Active effect 1 on (00061067)].FXDragonBloodDamageScript.OnHit() - "FXDragonBloodDamageScript.psc" Line 346 [09/01/2013 - 03:28:21PM] Error: Cannot get the heading angle to a None object stack: [ (00061067)].dragonactorscript.GetHeadingAngle() - "<native>" Line ? [Active effect 1 on (00061067)].FXDragonBloodDamageScript.OnHit() - "FXDragonBloodDamageScript.psc" Line 305 [09/01/2013 - 03:28:22PM] Error: Cannot get the heading angle to a None object stack: [ (00061067)].dragonactorscript.GetHeadingAngle() - "<native>" Line ? [Active effect 1 on (00061067)].FXDragonBloodDamageScript.OnHit() - "FXDragonBloodDamageScript.psc" Line 305 [09/01/2013 - 03:28:54PM] Info: *Achievement 43 awarded - a winnar is you!* [09/01/2013 - 03:28:54PM] Info: *Achievement 44 awarded - a winnar is you!* [09/01/2013 - 03:30:05PM] VM is freezing... [09/01/2013 - 03:30:05PM] VM is frozen [09/01/2013 - 03:30:05PM] Log closed Could someone that is fluent in 1010100011001 please translate that matrix for me? jj... really though, anyone? ok well all bs aside, I notice that Karliah Invisibity spell doesnt seem like a happy camper and BYOH is still in there after all. What does this mean and what can I do about it?
ousnius Posted September 1, 2013 Posted September 1, 2013 SpyderArachnid! You were right! Here is what I copied! SNIPPED Could someone that is fluent in 1010100011001 please translate that matrix for me? jj... really though, anyone? ok well as bs aside, I notice that Karliah Invisibity spell doesnt seem like a happy camper and BYOH is still in there after all. What does this mean and what can I do about it? You're saying you have the same issues even with a new save, right? What's this "Info: *Achievement 44 awarded - a winnar is you!*" mod? What you can - or rather should try is the following: 1.) Start Skyrim Launcher/Mod Manager or whatever you're using 2.) Deactivate all plugins (except Update, Dawnguard, Dragonborn, Hearthfire...) 3.) Start a new game and take a look at both the log and the save file after a while 4.) Activate only one mod at a time again 5.) Repeat step 3 and 4 until you know what causes any issues
Spyder Arachnid Posted September 2, 2013 Posted September 2, 2013 BYOH is one of those script heavy mods that will stick with you no matter what. Sadly, when it comes to stuff like that, the only way to fully remove it is to start a fresh game after uninstalling the mod. Those scripts will linger in your old save and causes errors. It might not have an issues at first, but later on down the road it will start to mess with your game. It is better to start fresh when you still have a fairly new game, then to have to start all over again after you have done a ton of stuff. Skyrim is very very picky when it comes to uninstalling mods in general. The way it saves all data, even when you uninstalled something, really messes up your game. There is no way to make a clean save without a mod after you uninstall it, and sadly, the only real way to get rid of it permanently is to start from scratch. Can't tell you how many times I have had to reinstall Skyrim or start a fresh new game cause of bad mods leaving scripts behind and ruining my saves. But you live and learn over time and start to figure out what is worth using and what isn't.
LoveMeSomeUlfric7 Posted September 2, 2013 Author Posted September 2, 2013 BYOH is one of those script heavy mods that will stick with you no matter what. Sadly, when it comes to stuff like that, the only way to fully remove it is to start a fresh game after uninstalling the mod. Those scripts will linger in your old save and causes errors. It might not have an issues at first, but later on down the road it will start to mess with your game. It is better to start fresh when you still have a fairly new game, then to have to start all over again after you have done a ton of stuff. Skyrim is very very picky when it comes to uninstalling mods in general. The way it saves all data, even when you uninstalled something, really messes up your game. There is no way to make a clean save without a mod after you uninstall it, and sadly, the only real way to get rid of it permanently is to start from scratch. Can't tell you how many times I have had to reinstall Skyrim or start a fresh new game cause of bad mods leaving scripts behind and ruining my saves. But you live and learn over time and start to figure out what is worth using and what isn't. What is confusing me is that I "unsubscribed" through Steam, deleted local content and then erased my Skyrim once before and it has just happened again on my re-install. Perhaps I did not properly revert? AGHHH!!!! This breaks my heart. My character...my war... my sexy time with Ulfric. Hey, when I revert do I have to re-install SKSE?
LoveMeSomeUlfric7 Posted September 2, 2013 Author Posted September 2, 2013 SpyderArachnid! You were right! Here is what I copied! SNIPPED Could someone that is fluent in 1010100011001 please translate that matrix for me? jj... really though, anyone? ok well as bs aside, I notice that Karliah Invisibity spell doesnt seem like a happy camper and BYOH is still in there after all. What does this mean and what can I do about it? You're saying you have the same issues even with a new save, right? What's this "Info: *Achievement 44 awarded - a winnar is you!*" mod? What you can - or rather should try is the following: 1.) Start Skyrim Launcher/Mod Manager or whatever you're using 2.) Deactivate all plugins (except Update, Dawnguard, Dragonborn, Hearthfire...) 3.) Start a new game and take a look at both the log and the save file after a while 4.) Activate only one mod at a time again 5.) Repeat step 3 and 4 until you know what causes any issues Yes, It seems I have scripts embedded from a mod and a game that are long uninstalled. I have no idea what that means although a thread I found suggested it was an achievement. (However I have not gained an achievement in over a week.) Could it be that I did not properly revert before? Or that it isnt a mod at all? Also I saw that when BYOH is listed in the logs it is actually Hearthfire? Does anyone see anything that stands out in the logs in particular?
visby Posted September 2, 2013 Posted September 2, 2013 Hi and welcome. As far as people ripping you to shreds we only tend to do that to people who start moralizing, try to sell stuff, or are looking for cracks or help modding their cracks. Other then that people their tend to be easy going. I'd like to recommend you try Mod Organizer it even has a good tutorial . Whats nice about MO is that it keeps your mod files separate from both your game files and other mods. It also shows you when files from different mods conflict and lets you reorganize their file load order (Which is different from the esp load order) to chose which files get used. Basically it will let you load and unload mods 100% cleanly and easily (not counting old save files of course) without having to do any reinstalls. I have a lot of mods but I can still fire up a 100% vanilla game when ever I want or need to. It will save you lots of time and headaches in the long run.
ousnius Posted September 2, 2013 Posted September 2, 2013 Yes, It seems I have scripts embedded from a mod and a game that are long uninstalled. I have no idea what that means although a thread I found suggested it was an achievement. (However I have not gained an achievement in over a week.) Could it be that I did not properly revert before? Or that it isnt a mod at all? Also I saw that when BYOH is listed in the logs it is actually Hearthfire? Does anyone see anything that stands out in the logs in particular? Nothing that stands out that much in particular. But the most important thing is, does you save game get bloated again if you start a new game with the mods you have currently installed? If it does, do the mod testing method I've described.
DorkDiva Posted September 2, 2013 Posted September 2, 2013 Well, here is my current character, a darkelf created by use of the newest racemenu and chargen extensions skse mods. If you are interested, I can send the save, as well as the list of hair and texture mods used. All free of charge of course
WaxenFigure Posted September 2, 2013 Posted September 2, 2013 ... What is confusing me is that I "unsubscribed" through Steam, deleted local content and then erased my Skyrim once before and it has just happened again on my re-install. Perhaps I did not properly revert? AGHHH!!!! This breaks my heart. My character...my war... my sexy time with Ulfric. Hey, when I revert do I have to re-install SKSE? That's not BYOH its Heartfires and yes, it sends a lot of error messages to the log. Frankly your log looks pretty clean compared to most. The log is almost all crap from Bethesda itself and no indication of a lost or runaway script as the source of your save game bloating.
johnnyboy88 Posted September 2, 2013 Posted September 2, 2013 SpyderArachnid! You were right! Here is what I copied! SNIPPED Could someone that is fluent in 1010100011001 please translate that matrix for me? jj... really though, anyone? ok well as bs aside, I notice that Karliah Invisibity spell doesnt seem like a happy camper and BYOH is still in there after all. What does this mean and what can I do about it? You're saying you have the same issues even with a new save, right? What's this "Info: *Achievement 44 awarded - a winnar is you!*" mod? What you can - or rather should try is the following: 1.) Start Skyrim Launcher/Mod Manager or whatever you're using 2.) Deactivate all plugins (except Update, Dawnguard, Dragonborn, Hearthfire...) 3.) Start a new game and take a look at both the log and the save file after a while 4.) Activate only one mod at a time again 5.) Repeat step 3 and 4 until you know what causes any issues After looking at this thread there's a lot of randomness in here. First of all. You have to get your save bloat problem fixed. Adding more mods or trying to use someone elses save is just going to cause more problems. Do what cell said. Steps 1-5. I've got nearly 300 mods active right now in my current save file and it's only 9.6MB. Your 150MB save file is out of control. Deactivate all your mods, start a new game and see if it still bloats your save. If it does, that means you have a previous mod that didn't unload properly. Nexus Mod Manager is known to do that sometimes. If after you deactivate your mods and still get bloat and need to do a clean uninstall/re-install: 1- Open your steam library 2- Right click on "The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim" 3- Select delete local content. 4- Open file explorer and navigate to "C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\SteamApps\common" 5- If exists delete "Skyrim" folder 6- Open file explorer and navigate to "C:\Program Files\Steam\SteamApps\common" 7- If exists delete "Skyrim" folder 8- In the file explorer address bar type "%USERPROFILE%\My Documents\My Games" 9- Rename/Backup "skyrim" folder if desired This is where your current save games and config files are stored. 10- Delete "skyrim" folder 11- Open steam library and install "The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim" 12- Start a new game and play for a little while. Like get to Whiterun and create a save. 13- Goto "%USERPROFILE%\My Documents\My Games\skyrim\saves" 14- Check file size for bloat. If good to go now you can start modding. If bloat is still there you have bigger issues than worrying about getting skyrim to look good. After clean install/ bloat fix you can start modding Read the following site thoroughly: http://http://wiki.step-project.com The STEP Project is a step-by-step guide to modding and getting your skyrim looking good. It is an excellent place to begin your modding adventure and how I learned to start. You may also want to consider backing up your local game files from steam before you start as well. That way you can avoid re-downloading game files if you need to do another clean install for whatever reason. Just right click on your game in Steam and click "backup Game Files" I'll also give another recommendation to Mod Organizer for its virtualization as well. It's initially a little more complicated than NMM but I haven't had to do a clean install since I started using it. The only mod that doesn't work with it is SKSE. That one you have to install manually if you use it. Wrye Bash is also popular and is also covered in the STEP guide.
LoveMeSomeUlfric7 Posted September 2, 2013 Author Posted September 2, 2013 Well, here is my current character, a darkelf created by use of the newest racemenu and chargen extensions skse mods. 2013-09-02_00001.jpg If you are interested, I can send the save, as well as the list of hair and texture mods used. All free of charge of course Wow. Just ....wow. Im not... but.... you know. Thank you SO much for offering me your save! May I ask that you send me a list of the mods instead? Im not sure if my pc will handle the skin texture but I love it! Once I get it running without imminent disaster I will be all up in your & everyone else's screenies looking for that proper combo
oli3d Posted September 2, 2013 Posted September 2, 2013 Tools: http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/31675/? http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/31724/? Maybe helpful... Moin Oli
LoveMeSomeUlfric7 Posted September 2, 2013 Author Posted September 2, 2013 SpyderArachnid! You were right! Here is what I copied! SNIPPED Could someone that is fluent in 1010100011001 please translate that matrix for me? jj... really though, anyone? ok well as bs aside, I notice that Karliah Invisibity spell doesnt seem like a happy camper and BYOH is still in there after all. What does this mean and what can I do about it? You're saying you have the same issues even with a new save, right? What's this "Info: *Achievement 44 awarded - a winnar is you!*" mod? What you can - or rather should try is the following: 1.) Start Skyrim Launcher/Mod Manager or whatever you're using 2.) Deactivate all plugins (except Update, Dawnguard, Dragonborn, Hearthfire...) 3.) Start a new game and take a look at both the log and the save file after a while 4.) Activate only one mod at a time again 5.) Repeat step 3 and 4 until you know what causes any issues After looking at this thread there's a lot of randomness in here. First of all. You have to get your save bloat problem fixed. Adding more mods or trying to use someone elses save is just going to cause more problems. Do what cell said. Steps 1-5. I've got nearly 300 mods active right now in my current save file and it's only 9.6MB. Your 150MB save file is out of control. Deactivate all your mods, start a new game and see if it still bloats your save. If it does, that means you have a previous mod that didn't unload properly. Nexus Mod Manager is known to do that sometimes. If after you deactivate your mods and still get bloat and need to do a clean uninstall/re-install: 1- Open your steam library 2- Right click on "The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim" 3- Select delete local content. 4- Open file explorer and navigate to "C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\SteamApps\common" 5- If exists delete "Skyrim" folder 6- Open file explorer and navigate to "C:\Program Files\Steam\SteamApps\common" 7- If exists delete "Skyrim" folder 8- In the file explorer address bar type "%USERPROFILE%\My Documents\My Games" 9- Rename/Backup "skyrim" folder if desired This is where your current save games and config files are stored. 10- Delete "skyrim" folder 11- Open steam library and install "The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim" 12- Start a new game and play for a little while. Like get to Whiterun and create a save. 13- Goto "%USERPROFILE%\My Documents\My Games\skyrim\saves" 14- Check file size for bloat. If good to go now you can start modding. If bloat is still there you have bigger issues than worrying about getting skyrim to look good. After clean install/ bloat fix you can start modding Read the following site thoroughly: wiki.step-project.com The STEP Project is a step-by-step guide to modding and getting your skyrim looking good. It is an excellent place to begin your modding adventure and how I learned to start. You may also want to consider backing up your local game files from steam before you start as well. That way you can avoid re-downloading game files if you need to do another clean install for whatever reason. Just right click on your game in Steam and click "backup Game Files" I'll also give another recommendation to Mod Organizer for its virtualization as well. It's initially a little more complicated than NMM but I haven't had to do a clean install since I started using it. The only mod that doesn't work with it is SKSE. That one you have to install manually if you use it. Wrye Bash is also popular and is also covered in the STEP guide. I live in the land of a thousand questions therefore, I embrace randomness in my thread so that I may learn as much as possible without cluttering your site with my "content" I would never survive without good folk such as yourself to constantly push me in a forwardly direction every time I jump down another rabbit hole. Thank you, kind Sir. Oh, thank Talos for you and Cell!! Those steps are blithering idiot friendly Im going to see if I can follow them properly without catastrophe now. You guys are like knights, cloaked in white shininess right now. I appreciate everyone of you, ladies in gentleman! By the way, may I ask if any of you have ever utilized the save cleaners? They are a bit over my head atm. Any advice or info or spare time to apply one to my game for me on RDP by some miracle of the Divines?
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