Bad Teachers

[KoolHndLuke]

Think this is one we can all relate to since (I'm assuming) we've all learned from someone. This isn't specific to schools or institutions and is more about anyone in any situation you have ever tried to learn from whether it be sex, driving, skiing, or even in games. Just remember we are talking about "bad" teachers in the sense that they are terrible at giving lessons.

 

My last "bad" teacher was a college professor. It was painfully obvious from the outset that the college was woefully understaffed and he was taking on too many classes. Thus, he knew little to nothing about most of the material and would- I kid you not- read directly out of the book in EVERY. SINGLE. CLASS. Easy grades, but I didn't learn anything from him (except how to get a cushy job, lol).

[Miauzi]

Vor 10 Minuten sagte KoolHndLuke:

Denken Sie, dass wir uns alle darauf beziehen können, da wir (ich nehme an) alle von jemandem gelernt haben. Dies ist nicht spezifisch für Schulen oder Institutionen und betrifft eher jeden in jeder Situation, von der Sie jemals versucht haben zu lernen, sei es Sex, Autofahren, Skifahren oder sogar Spiele. Denken Sie daran, dass wir von „schlechten“ Lehrern in dem Sinne sprechen, dass sie schlecht darin sind, Unterricht zu erteilen.

 

Mein letzter „schlechter“ Lehrer war ein College-Professor. Es war von Anfang an schmerzlich offensichtlich, dass das College völlig unterbesetzt war und er zu viele Kurse belegte. Daher wusste er wenig bis gar nichts über das meiste Material und würde – ich mache keine Witze – in JEDEM direkt aus dem Buch lesen. SINGLE. KLASSE. Einfache Noten, aber ich habe nichts von ihm gelernt (außer wie man einen bequemen Job bekommt, lol).

 

Since I was 10 years BEFORE the (adult) course participants - I know that there are TWO pages here.

I'll bring it to a (for me) succinct point:
When asked by a "student" (who was about 45 years old) -> "what do we learn from you?" (ie for me) I answered "what would you like to learn or what should I teach you?"
which completely confused him.

I tried to explain to him - that I have a wide range of knowledge here with my "substance" - he must know for himself what he needs from it....

..because he already has several years of professional experience in the profession in which I have further qualified him and the other 19.
So he should know his own deficits!

and this is often the "crux" - that the "trainee" expects the "trainer" to know exactly what his protégé doesn't know and what he might need to know in 30 years

even students are often of the opinion that when they have finished their studies - they have already learned enough for their job
(no - not all - but more than "outsiders" believe)

[Guest]

> I remember my math teacher in high school. That man never replied concretely on questions. He always used examples wanting to explain the answer (which he never gave), but those examples were hardly related to the answers.

[Mexicola88]

I am german, and my french teacher in school, sometimes used english words if she translated french words, and didn't know the german word. And she had a very strong french accent, because she was indeed a native french person.

 

It was so fucking annoying trying to learn french from that woman. Nope i totally failed and gave up. If you wanna teach somebody a new language, you shouldn't switch between 3 languages while trying to teach it, no it should only be 2 then.

[KoolHndLuke]

2 hours ago, Miauzi said:

 

Since I was 10 years BEFORE the (adult) course participants - I know that there are TWO pages here.

I'll bring it to a (for me) succinct point:
When asked by a "student" (who was about 45 years old) -> "what do we learn from you?" (ie for me) I answered "what would you like to learn or what should I teach you?"
which completely confused him.

I tried to explain to him - that I have a wide range of knowledge here with my "substance" - he must know for himself what he needs from it....

..because he already has several years of professional experience in the profession in which I have further qualified him and the other 19.
So he should know his own deficits!

and this is often the "crux" - that the "trainee" expects the "trainer" to know exactly what his protégé doesn't know and what he might need to know in 30 years

even students are often of the opinion that when they have finished their studies - they have already learned enough for their job
(no - not all - but more than "outsiders" believe)

I can understand that. You have to know the right questions to ask a lot of times. However, if someone takes on the role of "teacher" or "instructor", isn't it their job to outline a clear path to a learning outcome? Now, in a more informal setting- like that between coworkers or friends- then I can understand where things can get a little messy. For one, you don't know how much someone you're trying to teach knows- like you said. For another, you haven't really given much (or any) thought to how you would teach skills and such to anyone. so you're kind of making it up as you go along.

 

Granted that teaching probably is difficult sometimes to say the least. But as a student or someone trying to learn, you can tell when a person is either bad at teaching stuff or just doesn't care to.

 

 

1 hour ago, Evaloves4 said:

> I remember my math teacher in high school. That man never replied concretely on questions. He always used examples wanting to explain the answer (which he never gave), but those examples were hardly related to the answers.

I've had some really, really good math teachers in my time. Shame I hated equations and stuff. I'm a visual learner- meaning if I can't imagine the real world application it's hard for me to understand.

 

 

40 minutes ago, Mexicola88 said:

I am german, and my french teacher in school, sometimes used english words if she translated french words, and didn't know the german word. And she had a very strong french accent, because she was indeed a native french person.

 

It was so fucking annoying trying to learn french from that woman. Nope i totally failed and gave up. If you wanna teach somebody a new language, you shouldn't switch between 3 languages while trying to teach it, no it should only be 2 then.

Agree. She should have been fluent in Deutsch as well. Jetzt haben wir den Salat. 

[Miauzi]

Vor 3 Minuten sagte KoolHndLuke:

Das kann ich verstehen. Man muss die richtigen Fragen kennen, um sie oft zu stellen. Wenn jemand jedoch die Rolle des „Lehrers“ oder „Ausbilders“ übernimmt, ist es nicht seine Aufgabe, einen klaren Weg zu einem Lernergebnis zu skizzieren? Jetzt, in einer informelleren Umgebung – wie zwischen Kollegen oder Freunden – dann kann ich verstehen, wo die Dinge ein wenig chaotisch werden können. Zum einen wissen Sie nicht, wie viel jemand weiß, den Sie lehren wollen – wie Sie sagten. Zum anderen haben Sie nicht wirklich viel (oder überhaupt) darüber nachgedacht, wie Sie jemandem Fähigkeiten und dergleichen beibringen würden. also erfindest du es irgendwie, während du weitermachst.

 

Zugegeben, das Unterrichten ist wahrscheinlich manchmal schwierig, um es gelinde auszudrücken. Aber als Student oder jemand, der versucht zu lernen, merkt man, wenn jemand schlecht darin ist, Dinge zu unterrichten, oder sich einfach nicht darum kümmert.

 

 

Imagine yourself for say 1 week - 5 days 8 hours each for 20-30 people

2-3 of which are not interested in the whole thing and are just doing their time

which seems so obvious from the point of view of a student (and I was one myself for 5 years)...
..suddenly everything is so different

because in addition to "bad" teachers, there are also -> "bad" students
and there are already 5-10% share compared to the "capable of learning" to bring the whole thing to failure

that's why I wrote -> everything has 2 sides
and who has only met one

the unwillingness or inability to take the position of the teacher in thought and thus learn to understand his point of view...
..is in my opinion one of the main reasons why the profession "teacher" / "trainer" etc. has such a bad reputation
and
less and less grasped
(my father himself was a school teacher for more than 35 years - so I have more than just my own 10 years of experience)

[KoolHndLuke]

12 minutes ago, Miauzi said:

 

Imagine yourself for say 1 week - 5 days 8 hours each for 20-30 people

2-3 of which are not interested in the whole thing and are just doing their time

which seems so obvious from the point of view of a student (and I was one myself for 5 years)...
..suddenly everything is so different

because in addition to "bad" teachers, there are also -> "bad" students
and there are already 5-10% share compared to the "capable of learning" to bring the whole thing to failure

that's why I wrote -> everything has 2 sides
and who has only met one

the unwillingness or inability to take the position of the teacher in thought and thus learn to understand his point of view...
..is in my opinion one of the main reasons why the profession "teacher" / "trainer" etc. has such a bad reputation
and
less and less grasped
(my father himself was a school teacher for more than 35 years - so I have more than just my own 10 years of experience)

Well, you've already demonstrated the most important aspect of teaching or learning- clear communication. If the teacher can't do that, then little (or the wrong) information is shared. Is teaching a talent you think? I mean... anyone can potentially be a student. I don't think everyone can teach effectively.

 

 

Edited January 4, 2023 by KoolHndLuke

[Miauzi]

Vor 15 Minuten sagte LosMP:

Ich hatte ein paar, aber die schrecklichste hat uns im ersten Jahr meines Universitätsabschlusses „beigebracht“. Zum Glück kümmerte sie sich nur um ein Thema, das nicht besonders relevant war.

 

Sie teilte den Lehrplan ihres Fachs im Grunde auf die 200 von uns auf, gruppiert in 4er-Gruppen. Jeder schaute sich einen bestimmten Teil des Themas an und bereitete ein Skript vor, das diesen Teil dem Rest der Klasse erklären würde. Sie würde sich einfach zurücklehnen und entspannen, keine Korrekturen. Wir wurden durch einen Test bewertet, den wir ebenfalls vorbereitet haben.

 

Jeder gab eine Multiple-Choice-Frage ab, bei der die richtige Antwort markiert war. Ihre Prüfung war eine Auswahl davon.

 

Dadurch lernten die Leute nur den Teil, der individuell vorbereitet werden musste.

 

Und sie sollte eine Eminenz auf ihrem Gebiet sein, mit Büchern, die in der Großen Bibliothek von Alexandria aufbewahrt werden. Voll von sich. Hat sich nicht ums Lehren gekümmert, sondern (hoffentlich) ums Forschen und Studieren. Meine Güte.

 

 

 

Find the central design flaw of a university...

..which is supposed to be a place for research and teaching (or learning) at the same time.

However, the professorships are awarded after research - and the principle applies: whoever researches should also teach.

Only the at least good researchers are also good teachers!

This can be observed over the centuries - only it has never led to an attempt to change this.

And so it will continue for centuries to come.
because it works... somehow
and
so there is no need to change it

[Miauzi]

Vor 21 Minuten sagte LosMP:

 

In der Tat. Und sie werden für ihre Recherche so hart belohnt, dass sie manchmal superspezifische und nutzlose Dinge einfach so recherchieren. Und natürlich verwenden sie PhD. Schüler dafür. Ich war promoviert. Schüler. Die Welt der Forschung ist scheiße 

 

Through my ten years as a lecturer/teacher in adult qualification, I could even call myself a university lecturer in Germany - as an official job title

a university professor. for building physics - who, like me, was a member of the Chamber of Civil Engineers in Berlin - once explained the background to me - whereby 2 years would be enough

but that's just a side note...
..my own doctorate, which was supposed to follow my engineering studies - was canceled (in the GDR in 1987) because I belonged to the wrong party.

 

[Miauzi]

Vor 3 Stunden sagte SororitasSimp:

Bis zu meinem Tod werde ich mich immer an diesen einen Lehrer erinnern, den ich hatte. Ungefähr 20 von uns wurden in diese Klasse eingeschleust, weil wir ein drittes Fach nehmen mussten und das klang am interessantesten. In weniger als zehn Minuten fanden wir schnell heraus, dass dieser Typ buchstäblich auf einem anderen Planeten war. Er las gerade aus einem Buch, gab uns einige Blätter und Materialien zum Arbeiten und ging zurück zu seinem Schreibtisch, wo er Websites auf dem Laptop durchsuchte. Das Chaos folgte schnell – die Leute fingen an, Musik auf ihre Telefone zu blasen, Laptops herauszuholen, um Spiele zu spielen, und sich laut in ihren Gruppen zu unterhalten. Der Lehrer saß einfach nur da, unerschütterlich, gleichgültig, völlig losgelöst von der Umgebung. Ich hatte den Eindruck, dass eine Explosion losgehen könnte und er nicht zusammengezuckt oder von seinem Laptop weggeschaut hätte. Nach ein paar Unterrichtsstunden gingen ich und einige meiner Freunde schließlich zum Prinzip und schafften es, aus diesem Kurs genommen zu werden. Später erfuhr ich, dass alle 20 Schüler entweder wie ich gegangen waren oder den Kurs nicht bestanden hatten.

 

if there are 20 more - how big was the whole thing - so how many of you were sitting in front of him??

doesn't sound like a "normal" school to me - but something like a university or college - i.e. after a degree

I know 2 forms of teaching from my studies (1983-1988).
- the lecture of a lecturer (does not always have to be a professor) in a lecture hall in front of up to 250 listeners
- the seminar in a room similar to a lesson in school for children with a maximum of 20 people

the second - ie the seminar in small groups seems to be almost unknown today

[KoolHndLuke]

46 minutes ago, SororitasSimp said:

There were 20 of us, including myself, in total for that class. The teacher was sitting at the front of the classroom behind his own desk and he was in a position to see everyone from where he was situated (if he ever had bothered to look up from the laptop ofc). In retrospect, the only plausible reason I can think of as to justify the teacher's mannerism was age; he was clearly close to retirement age. Maybe it was just my class's luck to be stuck with someone who had no intention to carry on teaching >_<

 

And yes it was a college of sorts; it took place in a relatively compact room (for 20 people at least) -- Kind of similar to this layout but with enough seating for 20 students:

 

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And then people spend maybe the rest of their lives worrying about student loans (my bro). Personally, I haven't yet applied for a student loan and when I read things like this I think "why should I"?? 

[AKM]

Traditionally, several.  The first one I can think of was a grade school math instructor who thought that the way to "prime" children for tests was to tell a story, or rather a segment thereof.  Then, promptly drop the subject and yet "GO!" to start the quiz/test/whatever.  Understand two things about me.  1. I enjoy reading/stories etc. 2. I HATE math - and loud noises, yelling, etc.  So, yeah, NOT a good combination for me.

College, again, math.  Went from per-calculus senior year in high school (due to excellent teachers) to "One plus one is two (and what the fuck are you doing in college anyway, idiot???) due to bad entry test results in math (surprise, surprise).  And yet, wonder of wonders, when math came up, and it did (frequently) in my aviation / flight lessons, I had absolutely no problem with it.  Funny that.  Anyway, being a first semester freshman, and still in high school mindset, I didn't understand how things worked in the "real world" yet.  The professor didn't help in making it clear that he had ZERO interest in teaching, and proved it by being no help at all.  The only college class I ever failed.  Put it off as long as possible, dreading the re-take, finally had no choice.  Different guy (thank God!) walked in, leaned on the desk, and the first thing he said was: "People, I'm NOT a math teacher.  I'm an engineer.  I KNOW how this stuff works in the real world, and I will do everything in my power to make sure that you understand this stuff and pass this class - so long as you're willing to help yourself.  I will make myself available for office hours (one on one with instructor), and other times as possible by request.  So long as you show me that you're willing to put in the work, we WILL work together and you WILL pass this class.  Probably not with top marks, but everyone who wants to will get through this class."

Aviation Law, again college.  A bunch of us pilots.  NONE of us want to take this class. Idiot walks in and promptly tells room full of pilots that HE is a lawyer and HE is wasting his time being here and doesn't want to be in that classroom, either.  Oh-boy, here we go again!  Predictably, it was a disaster.

Another bad college professor was one of the few I took of the many history courses that was not from my favorite history professor.  The guy who was so excellent in part because he understood the economics of it (YOU are MY boss, you pay my paycheck.  As such, I will address you by your surname (last name/honorific), and you all call me by my first name.)  THAT was different.  And he taught so well because he opened up a broad topic, and let the individual student find a way to take that topic and write about something the individual student liked.  It was a brilliant move.  Back to the bad teacher: This guy was the one who finally convinced me to take a BIG step back from what I thought, and what I "understood" to be the reality of college in general and professors in particular.  The subject was WWII and Vietnam, and he tried to convince me of things that I I knew to be patently false due to years of intense study on the subject of 20th century warfare.  He was the one who finally flipped the switch in me from my old, high school "goody two shoes" mentality to a much better understanding of "Oh, wait, it doesn't matter whether you're right or wrong.  Your job as the college student is to agree with the professor in this type of class." 

The flight instructor I soloed under.  The system in the U.S. is set up so that new pilots pretty much must teach, and this guy was not a teacher.  Hadn't a fucking clue, and on top of it, made it clear that he was there only to get his hours and move on.  He couldn't care less about his students.

[AKM]

On 1/5/2023 at 3:40 AM, KoolHndLuke said:

And then people spend maybe the rest of their lives worrying about student loans (my bro). Personally, I haven't yet applied for a student loan and when I read things like this I think "why should I"?? 

You shouldn't.  Because it's pretty much the only loan that is not forgivable in the U.S., therefore it MUST be paid off, regardless of bankruptcy and other such tools that are usually used to stick your creditors with not being paid back for the poor choice they made in loaning to you in the first place.

That, and there are plenty of grants / scholarships etc. out there (which, unlike a loan, are effectively a "gift" and don't need to be repaid), many of which don't get applied to in large numbers because too many young people see only the invisible competition and think "Why bother even applying?  There's too many others.", which, in fact leads to some scholarships/grants going unfulfilled, and the money going unclaimed.  Also, it helps tremendously if you're female, especially one of non-caucasian decent.

[AKM]

4 hours ago, LosMP said:

 

Wow. Between this and your earlier post, I really wonder how the average US student makes it. The loan system feels ruthless and, on top of that, it looks like you become in debt for the rest of your life and still have a chance to get shitty teachers. Tough.

 

Of course, I assume and hope that there is more good than bad in all this and that it depends on location, specific schools, etc. Otherwise it wouldn't make any sense!

If you do some research into college costs, you will find that college in the U.S. used to be quite affordable.  It was entirely possible to work while in college, and then expect the entirety of your college expenses to be paid off within a few years of graduation, certainly by the time you were 30.  Then, as is often the case, the government stepped in and fucked it up - at least for the majority of the college population. 

Explanation below:

Spoiler

What they did, specifically, was effectively guarantee colleges that they would be paid.  This served as an extremely strong incentive to jack prices up sky high, which is exactly what happened.  These institutions ceased to be education centers generations ago, and have become money making machines.  Big name places in particular like Harvard and Princeton are NOT about education, but rather about personal connections.  People go to such places fully expecting to quite literally bribe their way into high places (and government, in particular), using the expense of the colleges as the bribe, and the connections made therein /  job "guarantees" as the payoff.  A payoff that pays off for the rest of their lives if they play their cards right, as they end up in a circle of society that is above the law for all intents and purposes. 

There are certain people, not going to name names, but read between the lines, who have come right out and said, close paraphrase: "Of course the system is rigged!  How do you think I got so rich?  There are ways to not play by the rules everyone else follows and get away with it legally (sort of), and everyone (especially at this level), including my opponent and I, do it!  Case in point, she's lying to you about the fact that the system is rigged in the first place when she says that it isn't!"

As for other examples. I knew of certain ethnic groups that were allowed in to the college I attended without having a high school diploma or GED!  How?  They were the "right" ethic background, simple as that.  "We need more X and less Y!" So while I sweated my application, theses idiots got in literally without even finishing high school.

As for bad teaching, here's another: No alcohol on campus, legal age or not.  But... The college board of directors and president decided to have a Christmas party on campus in the college library.  And guess what?  Yep, booze.  The students rightly raised the roof on that outright fraud.  Needless to say, we were NOT happy.  But it's the sort of 'rules for thee but not for me' corruption that goes on all over the place - even in the U.S..

And I don't know that my college room mate ever has paid off his massive student loan debt.  Don't forget, it's not so much the debt that kills you as it is the interest that keeps piling on the longer you have the loan.

 

[AKM]

On 1/15/2023 at 3:01 AM, LosMP said:

competition is becoming ruthless and fierce as the job market becomes saturated with highly qualified students...

 

This is something that I ran into from my bad teachers.  All my young life, I was taught that you must go to college.  College was the only way to have a half decent life.  Needless to say, I found out later that such was definitely NOT the case.   As for "highly qualified students", there are plenty of jobs that literally do not require anywhere even remotely close to the "qualifications" that employers have been heaping on them. However, the push for everyone to have a college level education has diluted the value of that college level education. 

I had two lovely friends in college who were NOT college materiel.  Nice people, didn't belong in college.  Edited a paper one of them wrote once.  It was... painful.  "How?  How did you ever pass the entrance exam???"  Again, when you break it down, it's about money.  These two never had any real chance at a college level education job (and last I knew, didn't have a job that even required a high school diploma, no surprise).  They had no business spending money they didn't have for an education that they couldn't afford, and, arguably, couldn't even do, intellectually.  But the college and creditors were happy to take their money and saddle them with debt.

 

On 1/15/2023 at 3:01 AM, LosMP said:

And let's not even talk about machines making everything more efficient. You undeniably need people to build and maintain them anyways, but... Still more efficient.

Efficiency is the end goal, but we've actually reached a point where current generations are NOT doing better than their parents.  That's another lesson I learned.  Your parents are teaching you how best to do it when THEY went through.  Things change.  The path to success today is not necessarily the same as it was when your parents were your age.  They, in good faith, teach you the way that worked for them, but it's no surprise when it doesn't work for you.

 

On 1/15/2023 at 3:01 AM, LosMP said:

more practical jobs that are still as necessary as a lawyer or a doctor (plumbers, electricians, construction workers, farmers, whatever) are becoming less and less prevalent

 

We have the same problem here.  The idea that the essential jobs are "beneath" people has been pushed for generations, and the end result is twofold. 

1. Fewer people doing those jobs, BUT

2. Those that do end up spending far less time learning to do something that is actually useful, and then have MORE time to bring in money.  Many trades are two year degrees, not four.  You have an extra two years on the competition, and while the starting pay is low, if you keep improving yourself, you can quickly start making real money so that you're on par with what the four year people make by the time they get out; with the added advantage that you've been in the "real" world for two years, while they have to un-learn the lies they were taught in college. 

Also, if they're smart, after a while of becoming an expert in their trade, they open their own business, because they understand that the way to bring in real money is NOT to work for someone else, but to get someone else to do the work FOR you - and then give YOU most of the money they earn from doing that work.  This is exactly what employers do.
 

On 1/15/2023 at 3:01 AM, LosMP said:

prices skyrocketing, geopolitical struggles and unbalances, global warming, key resources scarcing as they become a source for conflict for an ever-growing population. We may be too many and reaching our limit.

 

Rising prices have mostly to do with fiat currencies.  That's another discussion, but the main factor is that the underlying value of the thing you're buying doesn't change.  What does is the number of fiat currencies it takes to buy said thing, because they keep printing off more fiat currencies.  If you aren't bringing in more fiat currencies at the same rate that the costs are rising, you end up paying more of your total net worth for said thing.  The problem with fiat currencies is that it costs them virtually nothing to print more of them, while YOU have to work for yours.  Look at the Bolivar for a prime example of hyper-inflation.

As for global warming, resource scarcing and conflict, that's simply a matter of more people wanting higher standards of living, and those higher standards of living being tied directly to resource use and subsequent heat production.

Example with immegration, using gumballs.  THIS is a lesson that actually makes sense!  A wonderful teacher.

 

Spoiler

 

 

[coldheartzero]

I've had plenty of bad teachers, but most of them I just don't remember, it's been to many decades.

 

However,

 

The last actual HS teacher I had, math teacher Mr. Potts just loved to go on and on and on about how advanced his son was in math. Yet he couldn't be assed to explain anything to his students.  The books we had were terrible on the explanations, it always felt like a crucial step was missing.

 

Luckily once I got into vo-tech for aviation the instructors I had there actually took the time to explain stuff. I got real good at pretty much everything at that point, at least how if it were used in aviation.

 

Also, side note. My last english teacher was talking about shit I'd NEVER heard of at that point. I only remember this because it's an on going joke with my daughter and some select friends. Old bitch was talking about dangling participles one day and diagramming sentences, I know verbs and shit but I had never, ever, not even remotely heard of a dangling participle before, and neither had most of the rest of the class. So like the math shit above, I asked her to explain it. She said I should've learned in my previous years, she didn't have time to go back over it and it's my fault for not knowing what it was.

 

Our entire class failed that test, every last one of us.  At the 9 weeks mark we were all shit talking and comparing grades and nobody made over a "C". Bitch just didn't care.

 

That was also the year the choir teacher got busted for selling a baby.

The Ass Principal got busted for trading sex for grades.

And a girl got busted in the bathroom for selling BJs. She got caught because there was a literal line of boys leading out of the bathroom.

 

Good Ol' Will Rogers HS.

[KoolHndLuke]

Weird. Woke up this morning dreaming about HS again. Put me in a terrible mood. 

 

I had nothing to do with any of my classmates because I didn't like any of them. In my last couple of years, I didn't socialize hardly at all and focused solely on my grades and getting the hell out of there. One of them even asked me later why I never attend the class reunions. I almost spat in his face.

 

Truth of the matter is most of my HS teachers were pretty decent and I did learn quite a lot from some of them. Wanted to have an affair with one of them and came pretty damn close, lol.

 

It's a sore subject for so many reasons and one I need to make peace with finally. I'm not that awkward teen anymore and those people weren't my enemies.

 

 

Edited March 20, 2023 by KoolHndLuke

[2dk2c.2]

Today I learned :

Government shouldn't do loans, it raises prices
When you watch videos of a lecture and they cut to the audience, you're being inculcated.

     To save a life, I cannot dangle a participle, but I will keep making an effort.

Sex sells.

My own take: Most people do better at real estate sales.

 

Are the advertisers charged more for a greater amount of participation here? I've been meaning to ask but was afraid to, still am, forget I asked.

[KoolHndLuke]

20 minutes ago, 2dk2c.2 said:

Today I learned

The day you stop doing this is the day you die.