Have you ever noticed? (things that make no sense)

[Invictusblade]

a lot of things could have been changed in the games History (even before the 1940's)

 

so imagine if "Planned obsolescence" was never a thing in their universe (or at the very least, technology was designed for long term usage when the resource wars started so Planned obsolescence could have been erased from production guidelines)

 

also about radiation in a nuclear war, please remember that in the Fallout universe, nearly every device was nuclear powered so imagine a million small dirty bombs going off over 200 years. (and that would cause radiation to still occur in harmful amounts)

[Miauzi]

Am 24.11.2022 um 12:47 Uhr sagte DocClox:

Ja, ich möchte immer noch wissen, wer all diese kleinen eigenständigen fusionsbetriebenen Glühbirnen in jedem Minen- und Höhlensystem im Ödland der Hauptstadt platziert. Sogar neu entdeckte.

 

Im Ernst, Sie müssen sich daran erinnern, dass die Spiele retrofuturistisch sind. Das ist die Zukunft, von der alle Ende der 50er und Anfang der 60er dachten, dass sie sein würde. Damals, als Strahlung eine beängstigende Unbekannte war, die ebenso leicht Wahnsinn und/oder Superkräfte hervorrufen wie Ihre Gesundheit beeinträchtigen konnte und die wie alles andere aussehen konnte, von einem lautlosen Killer bis zu einer Kugel aus blauem Licht, die mit einem „Wow- eee-whoo-eee-whoo-eee"-Soundeffekt. Dies ist eine Zukunft, in der Robbie The Robot als praktisches und realisierbares Design angesehen wurde und in der die Atomenergie alle Probleme der Welt lösen würde ... wenn sie uns nicht zuerst umbringen würde.

 

Aus dieser Perspektive kann ich dem Spiel das meiste seiner schlechten Wissenschaft verzeihen. Was nicht heißen soll, dass Fallout 4 mit seinen legendären Waffen mit magischem Effekt oder mit magischen Minguns, die von legendären Kakerlaken getragen werden, oder dem Mix-and-Match-System, bei dem jedes Monster eine leuchtende Variante und ein Chamäleon hat, nicht auf den Hai springt Variante usw usw...

 

Aber im Allgemeinen bin ich ziemlich tolerant gegenüber schlechter Wissenschaft in Fallout-Spielen, solange es die richtige Art von schlechter Wissenschaft ist.

Well, the effect of radioactive radiation was not that "unknown"!

The effect on people was more than known "thanks" to the airdrops on the two Japanese cities - including a BROAD public.
The burned skin of the victims could also be seen in US cinema newsreels.

What was still unknown was how this affects the genome - i.e. how strong mutations can be...
..this is where fanaticism in film and literature started.

[Miauzi]

Vor 59 Minuten sagte Invictusblade:

Viele Dinge hätten in der Spielegeschichte geändert werden können (noch vor den 1940er Jahren)

 

Stellen Sie sich also vor, ob "geplante Obsoleszenz" nie eine Sache in ihrem Universum war (oder zumindest die Technologie für den langfristigen Einsatz konzipiert war, als die Ressourcenkriege begannen, sodass geplante Obsoleszenz aus den Produktionsrichtlinien hätte gestrichen werden können).

 

auch über Strahlung in einem Atomkrieg, denken Sie bitte daran, dass im Fallout-Universum fast jedes Gerät atomgetrieben war, also stellen Sie sich vor, dass eine Million kleiner schmutziger Bomben über 200 Jahre explodieren . (und das würde dazu führen, dass Strahlung immer noch in schädlichen Mengen auftritt)

these many little "devices" don't need to explode.

No one seems to think about it in any way - that the "fuel" is first of all obtained by means of a mine

and then has to be processed in an ore processing factory.

At least in Fallout 2, this was briefly discussed.

I myself was born in a country - where from 1945 to 1990 uranium for bombs and power plants was mined in underground and above-ground mines.

And I also know the radiant legacies of such mining sites.

At some point the "fuel" will be used up - what then...

.. so how do you deal with nuclear waste.

And here you don't talk to the little we have in our real world - but with maybe 100 times the amount in this fictional world.

It's not for nothing that the yellow barrels are everywhere - the only landfill I know from the game is one in "Fallout 3"

otherwise I only know wild dumping somewhere - whether in rivers, lakes, forests or just somewhere underground - even in the basements of clinics (Fort Hagen)

Edited November 25, 2022 by Miauzi

[DocClox]

18 minutes ago, Miauzi said:

Well, the effect of radioactive radiation was not that "unknown"!

 

Don't think of it in terms of what Science knew at the time. Think in terms of pop culture, the comicbooks and schlock horror B-Movies of the era. That's the science that that Fallout portrays.

 

It's a genre thing. It's like complaining about the poor science in Mars Attacks, or Weird Science. I mean you'd not be wrong, but you'd also be missing the point by quite a lot.

[Miauzi]

Vor 9 Minuten sagte DocClox:

 

Denken Sie nicht an das, was die Wissenschaft damals wusste. Denken Sie in Begriffen der Popkultur, der Comics und schlockten Horror-B-Filme der Ära. Das ist die Wissenschaft, die Fallout darstellt.

 

Es ist eine Genresache. Es ist, als würde man sich über die schlechte Wissenschaft in Mars Attacks oder Weird Science beschweren. Ich meine, Sie würden nicht falsch liegen, aber Sie würden auch den Punkt ziemlich verfehlen.

It was also part of pop culture that you could experience a "radiant sunrise" in Las Vegas at the end of the 1950s...

...i.e. the Atom test center informed the casinos in the city when the next test will take place - preferably at sunrise, of course.
The casinos then informed their guests that the bar at the top of the hotel will offer a special sunrise spectacle with specially created drinks.

And yes - the guests could then admire TWO suns on the horizon.

I mean, we don't have to talk about terms like "nuclear breasts" or "bikini"...

...but these things started much earlier - decades earlier.
It was precisely the discovery of X-rays or radium that triggered a popular wave - which also influenced advertising in the first half of the 20th century...
..the "radiant smile" that the toothpaste promises is based on the addition of RADIUM.
--
but apart from advertising and pop culture, there was also information about the effects of radiation on humans outside of science

[DocClox]

It's Schlock SF, plain and simple. If you think it should have been closer to real world science then that's fine. But I'm pretty sure that was never the intention.

[Oldwolf58]

On 11/22/2022 at 11:51 AM, Miauzi said:

Already noticed that some power lines are still intact on the surface - that means power plants are still in action somewhere

 

Say WHAT??? just because there is a power line still on the pole doesn't have ANYTHING to do with whether or not there is a power plant operating. Linear power lines only need to loose 1 line in the series for the rest to fail. The EMP from the original Nuke blasts would have shut down the generators in every nearby power station not to mention overloading and destroying every substation and transformer even remotely close or connected. Look at a simple lightning storm, they knock out power constantly, not power generation plants but because they overload substations and transformers whole areas go dark and stay that way until the lines and transformers/substations are fixed. Some buildings have backup systems which is what I generally regard those generators found in the basements of buildings but the main power generation plants would be dead. Since the "backups" would have been offline until the power went out some could have survived but even that is unlikely as the EMP would have induced voltages that could/should have fried them. A tech societies biggest threat is an EMP bomb since, if it's powerful enough and placed correctly, it can wipe out all the electronic infrastructure in the area of detonation including power generation and transmission not to mention computers and small electronic systems. Nukes have an EMP component, admittedly smaller than an EMP bomb but with the number of Nukes, both strategic and tactical that were supposedly set off in the Boston area I doubt you'd have found any working electronics on the surface that wasn't encased in a Faraday cage.

[DocClox]

Speaking of things that make no sense, how about when you take the fusion core out of those generators.

 

The lights go out (because that was powering the building) and then they come back on again (because that's just how good prewar engineers were!)

[Miauzi]

Vor 14 Minuten sagte Oldwolf58:

Sag was??? Nur weil am Mast noch eine Stromleitung hängt, hat das nichts damit zu tun, ob ein Kraftwerk in Betrieb ist oder nicht. Lineare Stromleitungen müssen nur 1 Leitung in der Reihe verlieren, damit der Rest ausfällt. Der EMP der ursprünglichen Nuke-Explosionen hätte die Generatoren in jedem nahe gelegenen Kraftwerk abgeschaltet, ganz zu schweigen von der Überlastung und Zerstörung aller Umspannwerke und Transformatoren, auch wenn sie entfernt oder angeschlossen waren. Schauen Sie sich einen einfachen Gewittersturm an, sie schalten ständig den Strom aus, nicht Kraftwerke, aber weil sie Umspannwerke und Transformatoren überlasten, werden ganze Bereiche dunkel und bleiben so, bis die Leitungen und Transformatoren/Umspannwerke repariert sind. Einige Gebäude haben Backup-Systeme, was ich im Allgemeinen für Generatoren halte, die in den Kellern von Gebäuden zu finden sind, aber die Hauptstromerzeugungsanlagen wären tot. Da die "Backups" offline gewesen wären, bis der Strom ausgefallen wäre, hätten einige überleben können, aber selbst das ist unwahrscheinlich, da der EMP Spannungen induziert hätte, die sie hätten braten können/müssen. Die größte Bedrohung der Tech-Gesellschaften ist eine EMP-Bombe, da sie, wenn sie stark genug ist und richtig platziert wird, die gesamte elektronische Infrastruktur im Bereich der Detonation auslöschen kann, einschließlich der Stromerzeugung und -übertragung, ganz zu schweigen von Computern und kleinen elektronischen Systemen. Nukes haben eine EMP-Komponente, zugegebenermaßen kleiner als eine EMP-Bombe, aber mit der Anzahl von Nukes, sowohl strategische als auch taktische, die angeblich in der Gegend von Boston abgefeuert wurden, bezweifle ich, dass Sie funktionierende Elektronik auf der Oberfläche gefunden hätten, die nicht eingeschlossen war in einem Faradayschen Käfig.

They didn't understand - it's not about whether the masts are still up or the lines are still hanging

it's about that there is still "juice" coming out - that there is still ELECTRICAL VOLTAGE on these lines!

It's even a hint from "Fallout 3"!

(Terminal einer grossen Sat-Station im Nord-Westen)

 

Of course, this partly intact overland network is a complete contradiction...
..if today's normal solar storm in North America paralyzes the network - what does a global nuclear attack do then.

It doesn't even need special EMP bombs - normal nuclear explosions already have them anyway!

Edited November 25, 2022 by Miauzi

[LT12Gauge]

On 11/14/2022 at 3:32 PM, Miauzi said:

And Canada did a similar thing - the indigenous peoples from the eastern part of the country disappeared very early on - well before 1945.

I'm not American, and what you said about Canadian FN People is completely wrong. You make other good points, though. Canada also interned Japanese Canadians during WW2 (also Italian Canadians and other groups). Honestly hadn't considered that in Fallout lore, the Chinese Americans had already been interned. That still doesn't explain why there aren't any, though. Internment camps do not imply that they were murdered, unless I missed something.

I play such a heavily modded version and the truth is, I stopped reading the terminals many playthroughs ago unless they're part of a modded lore. I'll have to check out the Nahant Oceanological one though. 

Lastly, and perhaps due to my youth spent playing Gamma World and other post apocalyptic TTRPGs, funnily enough it just didn't register with me that the Fallout Nuclear age and all the waste barrels and such were like that BEFORE the bombs. I mean, you have to admit, Sanctuary Hills (so aptly named in retrospect) doesn't look anything near a neighborhood next to a bunch of contaminated brownfields.

[Miauzi]

Vor 50 Minuten sagte LT12Gauge:

Ich bin kein Amerikaner, und was Sie über die kanadischen FN-Leute gesagt haben, ist völlig falsch. Du sprichst aber noch andere gute Punkte an. Kanada internierte während des Zweiten Weltkriegs auch japanische Kanadier (auch italienische Kanadier und andere Gruppen). Hatte ehrlich gesagt nicht bedacht, dass die chinesischen Amerikaner in der Fallout-Überlieferung bereits interniert worden waren. Das erklärt aber immer noch nicht, warum es keine gibt. Internierungslager bedeuten nicht, dass sie ermordet wurden, es sei denn, ich habe etwas übersehen.

Ich spiele eine so stark modifizierte Version und die Wahrheit ist, dass ich vor vielen Durchgängen aufgehört habe, die Terminals zu lesen, es sei denn, sie sind Teil einer modifizierten Überlieferung. Ich muss mir allerdings das Nahant Oceanological ansehen. 

Zu guter Letzt, und vielleicht aufgrund meiner Jugend, die ich damit verbracht habe, Gamma World und andere postapokalyptische TTRPGs zu spielen, ist es mir komischerweise einfach nicht aufgefallen, dass das Fallout Nuclear-Zeitalter und all die Müllfässer und dergleichen VOR den Bomben so waren. Ich meine, Sie müssen zugeben, Sanctuary Hills (im Nachhinein so treffend benannt) sieht nicht in der Nähe einer Nachbarschaft neben einer Reihe kontaminierter Brachflächen aus.

The Sanctuary at the beginning of the game is basically a lie about the actual conditions...
..the player is fooled into thinking that the world would be perfect for the year 2077.
But you don't have to be particularly attentive to find the many indications of how broken the USA actually was after 10 years of war and the almost complete exhaustion of important raw materials.
Food was rationalized and there were already hunger riots!
--
Well - I play from "Fallout 1" and already there is the basic canon that the USA would have collapsed even without "the day the bombs fell".

By the way - in the year 2076 (if I remember correctly) - the USA occupied and annexed their neighbor Canada.

The power armor was then used to suppress demonstrations - in "Fallout 4" there should be clues on the terminals in the newspaper offices.
--
What happened to the Chinese who were interned?
Essentially they were all killed - there had also been riots
and
Experiments on them - the clues to this from the researchers themselves in the DLC "Old World Blues" (Fallout NewVegas - the laboratory complex in the crater - the floating brains)

These "brains" then also indicate that the vaults are ultimately nothing more than test laboratories for their human experiments!

[Nuka Cherry]

Drumlin Diner... I mean... come on. You could remove the skeletons, they do not add character.

 

 

[Miauzi]

Vor 11 Minuten sagte Nuka Cherry:

Drumlin Diner... ich meine... komm schon. Sie könnten die Skelette entfernen, sie fügen keinen Charakter hinzu.

 

 

 

Zitat aus meiner Geschichte:

"As I enter the diner, I see the "Junior" sitting on the floor trembling - obviously in withdrawal.
His mother, of course, on "180" who snaps at me as if I had given her offspring the drugs myself...
..but what the hell is that skeleton sitting at the table?"

?

Edited November 25, 2022 by Miauzi

[katrina.balanchuk]

56 minutes ago, Miauzi said:

 

Zitat aus meiner Geschichte:

"As I enter the diner, I see the "Junior" sitting on the floor trembling - obviously in withdrawal.
His mother, of course, on "180" who snaps at me as if I had given her offspring the drugs myself...
..but what the hell is that skeleton sitting at the table?"

?

Trudi is not a nice person even though the game in the beginning steers you to keep her form getting killed.

When I played my first proper playthrough with AAF violate and other mods installed a battle happend my character went into  went into auto surrender and she was cheering when her son and Wolfgang took turns on my character.

 

funny fact. his guard also auto surrender during that shootout and Wolfgang took her captive so after that even he was nude and handcuffed when I saw her.

[Guest]

On 11/14/2022 at 4:46 PM, RJLbwb said:

Both Doctor Sun and Myma in Diamond City are both of East Asian descent.  In fact, rather annoyingly, Myrma speaks with that accent second generation Chines-Americans sometimes have (I guess her ghoulfied great, great grandfather must be totally hard core on them learning Mandarin

While you are all talking about language, I think of Blade Runner and the mixed language spoken there, part english part asian.

Edward James Olmos invented the language he used in the movie, Brilliant!

Other Sci-Fi movies with mixed language, if indeed the Chinese were here (Commonwealth) in great enough numbers the language would have morphed into the Slang type of Language.

I mean there is a submarine from China in the harbor!

 

Aaaand who would not clean the area they live in, Abernathy Farm, Diamond City, Goodneighbor, The Castle...any Military Commander worth salt would have everything policed up that was there, not walking over piles of trash, sleeping next to piles of trash, walking around piles of trash, Etc. but would Bethesda allow the cleaning of said trash piles?  No   Todd must have a housekeeper or 3 if he did not think to take out the trash!!

[katrina.balanchuk]

All those huge trash piles would explain why the place is awash is dog sized roaches ?

[Guest]

I could not think of it earlier but, the Firefly series and the movie Serenity both have mixed Asian and English Dialogue.

[Miauzi]

Vor 5 Stunden sagte caveman74:

Während Sie alle über Sprache sprechen, denke ich an Blade Runner und die gemischte Sprache, die dort gesprochen wird, teils englisch, teils asiatisch.

Edward James Olmos erfand die Sprache, die er im Film Brilliant!

Andere Sci-Fi-Filme mit gemischter Sprache, wenn die Chinesen tatsächlich in ausreichender Zahl hier (Commonwealth) gewesen wären, hätte sich die Sprache in den Slang-Sprachtyp verwandelt.

Ich meine, da liegt ein U-Boot aus China im Hafen!

 

Yes - a submarine from China - like in San Francisco

And now find the difference between "Fallout 2" and "Fallout 4"

The west coast submarine sails into port intact - the crew (mixed gender) is healthy and able to build a community of its own.

But the boat in Boston Harbor is broken - has a radiation leak.
All crew members except the captain are already WILD ghouls upon docking.
So how is this supposed to become a Chinese community in Boston?

[RJLbwb]

On 11/25/2022 at 5:41 AM, DocClox said:

It's Schlock SF, plain and simple. If you think it should have been closer to real world science then that's fine. But I'm pretty sure that was never the intention.

Some movie reviewer was was pointing out that doing Shlock is actually really hard and the people doing it have to be fans of the thing being mocked to make it work or it just comes out as bad bad, and not fun bad.  It's like a Jackie Chan movie, when you think about it, a lot of what's in those movies really is absurd, but it's too much fun watching Chan and the people he works with do acrobatics and marital arts to care about.

 

And I will point out one little bit were the Devs utterly missed the boat on the schlock that should have been there; Babe Ruth. Fenwey Stadium is the home of the fucking Boston Red Sox, Bade Ruth's old team,  the Wasterlanders are practically worshiping baseball, yet not a peep about Babe Ruth, not even some shrine to St Babe in some corner. Instead the Devs got Moe Green babbling some weak ass shit about some Concord Team none one cares about,  when he should be ranting about the American League War between Babe Ruth and Walter Johnson like it was the most epic thing in Western History. how the New York Yankees caused the Great War just to win the 2077 World Series and The Yankees are behind the Institute, the Super Mutants, The Communists, the Raiders, New Nuka Cola and so on.  That's just not giving a shit.

Edited November 27, 2022 by RJLbwb

[DocClox]

14 hours ago, RJLbwb said:

Some movie reviewer was was pointing out that doing Shlock is actually really hard and the people doing it have to be fans of the thing being mocked to make it work or it just comes out as bad bad, and not fun bad. 

 

I'm getting She Hulk flashbacks. John Byrne used the title to poke fun at some hoary old Marvel tropes, but it was always fun and affectionate. The TV series tried the same thing and more often than not, it came across as mean spirited and spiteful.

 

You have to be a fan, or it just doesn't work.

[Guest]

16 hours ago, RJLbwb said:

how the New York Yankees caused the Great War just to win the 2077 World Series and The Yankees are behind the Institute, the Super Mutants, The Communists, the Raiders, New Nuka Cola and so on.  That's just not giving a shit.

Well, you know Bethesda made this game on weekends and after real work was done.     ?

They should have developed the Worldspace and handed it over to modders as a "blank canvas" if you will.

Edited November 28, 2022 by caveman74

[RJLbwb]

There is a whole fan theory that Father is lying about being Shaun based on stuff like Kellogg uses the phrase "old Man" for both the Institute leader that ordered him to kidnap Shaun and father,  and uses "the Old Man" his snarky nickname for a specific person, not a title.

 

Except,... it is official word of God by the Fallout 4 writers that Father is Shaun, because of reasons.  and these are only the best of Todd Howard approved best of reasons that Just Work(r), so can't be questioned.  Jesus Christ on a pogostick Bethseba.

 

So, obviously this requires a Head Cannon assist for this "Father is Shaun" to be true and the answer is simple; teleportation.

 

Basically, going by real world physics and ignoring what ever bullshit Bethseba thinks is going on, to travel instantly around the universe is time travel to begin with it. So, obviously what happened is Shaun used the Institute teliportor to travel back in time, make himself the head of the Institute, higher Kellogg, then Shaun ordered Kellogg to kidnap Shaun as an infant. murder  his father, dress Shaun's unconscious mother in a slooty  Vault Suit, Shaun then spent the next 60 years creating an army of slooty fem bots to chase his revived mother around the Commonwealth, attempting to gang rape her while Shaun watches from his evil cyber crows. Now it all makes perfect sense. As Nick would say, it ties it all up in a nice little box with a pretty little bow.

 

 

Edited November 28, 2022 by RJLbwb

[Miauzi]

Vor 11 Minuten sagte RJLbwb:

Es gibt eine ganze Fan-Theorie, dass Vater lügt, Shaun zu sein, basierend auf Sachen wie Kellogg verwendet den Ausdruck „alter Mann“ sowohl für den Institutsleiter, der ihm befohlen hat, Shaun als auch Vater zu entführen, und verwendet „den alten Mann“ für seinen bissigen Spitznamen eine bestimmte Person, kein Titel.

 

Abgesehen davon, dass es aus Gründen ein offizielles Wort Gottes der Fallout 4-Autoren ist, dass Vater Shaun ist. und dies sind nur die besten Gründe, die Todd Howard für Just Work® bestätigt hat, und können daher nicht in Frage gestellt werden. Jesus Christus auf einem Pogostick Bethseba.

 

Offensichtlich erfordert dies also eine Kopfkanonenunterstützung, damit dieses „Vater ist Shaun“ wahr ist, und die Antwort ist einfach; Teleportation.

 

Im Grunde genommen ist es eine Zeitreise, wenn man sich an die Physik der realen Welt hält und ignoriert, was auch immer Bethseba für einen Bullshit hält, um sofort um das Universum zu reisen, um damit zu beginnen. Was also offensichtlich passiert ist, ist, dass Shaun den Teliportor des Instituts benutzt hat, um in die Vergangenheit zu reisen, sich selbst zum Leiter des Instituts zu machen, höherer Kellogg, dann hat Shaun Kellogg befohlen, Shaun als Säugling zu entführen. seinen Vater ermorden, Shauns bewusstlose Mutter in einen slooty Vault Suit kleiden, verbrachte Shaun die nächsten 60 Jahre damit, eine Armee von slooty Fem Bots aufzubauen , um seine wiederbelebte Mutter durch das Commonwealth zu jagen und zu versuchen, sie zu vergewaltigen, während Shaun von seinen bösen Cyber-Krähen aus zuschaut . Jetzt macht alles vollkommen Sinn. Wie Nick sagen würde, es verschnürt alles in einer hübschen kleinen Schachtel mit einer hübschen kleinen Schleife.

 

 

Well - there is also a completely different fan theory that made it into a big DLC mod -> "Fusion City"

in which your son Shaun is also the actual head of the institute - but Decon from the Railroad is your -> GRANDSON

As the ?

Fallout 3 -> Shaun traveled to the old capital as a young man (and institute scientist) - started the project with the water purifier there.
Yes - he fathered a child with his real wife and placed it in the relevant vault.
And the father you grow up with as a vault player?
Is a synth copy by Shaun - in fact one of the first ever - a collaboration with the scientist who later lives in the aborted RiverCity bug.

Later, after the conclusion of the events surrounding the old capital, the "Lone Wanderer" travels to the Commonwealth where he later joins the Railroad - and hides his true identity behind a mountain of lies.

Have you ever noticed that you can't start a "romance" with Decon in the normal game?

Axo - in addition to this, Decon's precocious son - Peter - also appears in this plot - through whom the quest series is introduced, in the course of which one learns this background from "father".

And of course Decon knows that his parent is still in Vault 111 and is watching their exit.
Here, too, the connection when entering the Railroad - where he comments on how well he knows about your actions as a player.

For me one of the most interesting versions of how to close the mighty gaps between parts 3 and 4 in an interesting way.

[LT12Gauge]

On 11/25/2022 at 8:21 PM, caveman74 said:

any Military Commander worth salt

Exactly. Cleanliness promotes discipline, prevents disease and keeps soldiers busy. Soldiers with nothing to do over a long period of time is a recipe for disaster.

[LT12Gauge]

On 11/17/2022 at 9:55 AM, RJLbwb said:

Next up; the Children of Atom radiation weapons.

Beyond the shear Beshseba dumb assry of nuclear physics (No, Todd, you can not claim science is magic, just because you slept threw your high school physics class) were robots and many  classes of living creatures are immune to radiation (try telling that Todd to everyone whose tried to build a nuclear ramjet, intense radiation will even cause metal to fatigue) there is the Gama guns of the Children of Atom.  
 
So what's dumb about it.

 

1. By the game own logic, most humans killed by the Gama gun are going to turn into Ghouls. Ghouls that are now immune to every weapon the Children of Atom have and have every reason to want to harm them.

 

2. The Children of Atomic live in radioactive places like the Glowing Sea, filled with nasty predators that are immune to these radiation weapons. Bizarrely. the game even noted this with the Children of Atom Camp south  of Concord that was wiped out by mole rats.  

 

Putting a weapon in the game, just to be pest to the player, that otherwise is useless for the people using it, is just wow.

 

To be fair, they ARE religious fanatics: not the sharpest knives in the drawer.