FNIS XXL too many animations

[Grey Cloud]

30 minutes ago, Roggvir said:

How do you KNOW? Where does the author of FNIS say the message can be ignored?

I didn't say that message could be ignored, I said it was about piracy and had nothing to do with the problem. I even said where I thought I had read it and if you had an ounce of sense you would have checked before sticking your foot in your mouth again.

FNIS takes preemptive steps against piracy:

• FNIS checks whether you use a legal Skyrim Steam installation. For this purpose reads the information Steam is setting every time you launch Skyrim with the Steam launcher. If this check fails, you will get a warning in the FNIS output window.

 

I did say that there was a difference between errors and warnings and that warnings could be ignored though it was not recommended.

"Fix all errors in the generator's text field, and give note to all warnings - Errors definitely WILL, Warnings CAN indicate causes of the "half-T" problem"

 

There is a difference between 'fix' and 'take note of'

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/11811

 

Stop digging.

[Roggvir]

5 minutes ago, Grey Cloud said:

I didn't say that message could be ignored, I said it was about piracy and had nothing to do with the problem. I even said where I thought I had read it and if you had an ounce of sense you would have checked before sticking your foot in your mouth again.

FNIS takes preemptive steps against piracy:

• FNIS checks whether you use a legal Skyrim Steam installation. For this purpose reads the information Steam is setting every time you launch Skyrim with the Steam launcher. If this check fails, you will get a warning in the FNIS output window.

 

I did say that there was a difference between errors and warnings and that warnings could be ignored though it was not recommended.

"Fix all errors in the generator's text field, and give note to all warnings - Errors definitely WILL, Warnings CAN indicate causes of the "half-T" problem"

 

There is a difference between 'fix' and 'take note of'

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/11811

 

Stop digging.

So, again, where does the author of FNIS say that warning should be ignored?
Because you keep telling the OP to ignore it, and me that i am an idiot for wanting to address it.

[yorpers]

7 minutes ago, Roggvir said:

wanting to address it.

Kind of obvious it should be addressed, If the guy actually does own the game then this will likely be causing issues with things like xlodgen and xedit too, and if they don't  legally own the game then why is anyone offering help. ? 

 

Sure the FNIS warning is just a piracy check, but it also points to potential problems with lots of programs that rely on the same data.

[Roggvir]

Anyway, what OP should do is to make sure everything is installed correctly - that includes the game itself, so make sure you did what FNIS tells you to - to run the game via the launcher at least once.

 

And then he should throw away a lot of those animations.
A great amount of them aren't even good enough, and that you can only tell only when you see them in game, but what you can do right now, is to think about whether you really need all those Skeever, Foxes, Rabbit, and Bear animations, etc.

Do the Skeevers turn you on? well, ok then keep them, but maybe you don't care about the bears? or goats? so remove those (or/and any other).

The game has its limits, FNIS is pretty vocal about it, so why are you trying to use every single animation you can find on the internet?
Just use those that you want and remove the rest, and regardless of what those are, i guarantee you, that the amount of animations will shrink enough to pose no more problems.

 

1.) Edit the SL anim pack JSON files, and remove/comment out any animation sets you don't care about.
2.) Use SLAnimsGenerate script to generate new TXT files for FNIS.

3.) Regenerate the behavior files using FNIS for modders.

4.) Run FNIS for Users as usual.

5.) In game, use the SL Anim Loader MCM to reload the JSONs and register the animations.

 

Depending on what you are into, maybe you could remove bears, or horses, or sabrecats, or trolls, or futa animations, or those silly wisps, etc.

I very much doubt that you really want to use every animation you installed.

Keep in mind, by removing ONE animation set, you may remove anywhere between 3 to 30 animations, depending on how many actors and stages that set has.

So, do not just install ALL the animation packs you find, pick and choose.
And from the animation packs you do install, still pick and choose, and remove anything you don't want.

Edited September 21, 2022 by Roggvir

[Grey Cloud]

1 hour ago, Roggvir said:

So, again, where does the author of FNIS say that warning should be ignored?

I never said Fore did. Fore said 'fix' errors and 'take note of' warnings. That is a warning. Note is taken and we move on. I said it was okay to ignore it because A. I have safely ignored it for 5 years and B. in 5 years of reading posts in LE tech support I have never seen anyone have a problem with it.

 

My beef with your original post was that you stated something without any substance and which bore no direct relation to a clear error message about too many animations. You have not yet come up with anything more than 'it might', 'it could', 'potentially' and other such imaginary disaster scenarios. I on the other hand have produced responses to your questions directly from Fore on the description page of FNIS.

 

43 minutes ago, Roggvir said:

A great amount of them aren't even good enough, and that you can only tell only when you see them in game, but what you can do right now, is to think about whether you really need all those Skeever, Foxes, Rabbit, and Bear animations, etc

That has nothing to do with any technical issue and is merely your subjective opinion on what is and is not a suitable animation.

 

So now you decide to address the too many animations issue but again you launch into an overly complicated solution. The obvious and simplest solutions have already been given assuming it an animation number issue (and I am still not convinced it is).

1. Uninstall the Nibbles old anims pack to reduce the number (redundant)

2. Uninstall the Non SL Animation pack to reduce the number (redundant)

3. Install FNIS XXL to increase the limit

4. Install Animation Limit Crash Fix to remove the limit

 

Absolutely no need to be editing files or running scripts.

[Grey Cloud]

1 hour ago, yorpers said:

Kind of obvious it should be addressed

Again, why is it obvious?

 

1 hour ago, yorpers said:

Sure the FNIS warning is just a piracy check, but it also points to potential problems with lots of programs that rely on the same data.

And your evidence for this is . . ? That message is solely about FNIS.

Edited September 21, 2022 by Grey Cloud

[yorpers]

3 minutes ago, Grey Cloud said:

And your evidence for this is . . ? That message is solely about FNIS.

Have you ever ran xlodgen when the installation path does not match what your computer thinks it is? It comes up empty or incomplete. I did this on accident 4 days ago.  The same thing happens with dyndlod. There are some support threads about it in its respective forums.

 

here is one example:

 

https://stepmodifications.org/forum/topic/16608-how-to-change-the-data-path-for-skyrim/

 

Sure this is solely about FNIS and the OP can ignore it if they want, I just want their game to function without any hassle like this going forward wit the rest of the programs they may use.

[Grey Cloud]

40 minutes ago, yorpers said:

Have you ever ran xlodgen when the installation path does not match what your computer thinks it is?

No. Nor have I ever run it either. Computers do not think a path is at a certain place nor do they pluck a path out of thin air. The path comes from where the program installs to.

I've been playing computer games since W98 days and cannot recall ever having to edit the registry.

 

47 minutes ago, yorpers said:

I did this on accident 4 days ago. 

So user error and nothing to do with piracy. ?‍♂️

 

Nothing about any this is has anything to do with FNIS, FNIS warning messages or pirated games. ?‍♂️

[Roggvir]

1 hour ago, Grey Cloud said:

2 hours ago, Roggvir said:

So, again, where does the author of FNIS say that warning should be ignored?

I never said Fore did. Fore said 'fix' errors and 'take note of' warnings. That is a warning. Note is taken and we move on. I said it was okay to ignore it because A. I have safely ignored it for 5 years and B. in 5 years of reading posts in LE tech support I have never seen anyone have a problem with it.

But you want the OP to ignore that warning, because you always ignored it, but i am the one who spouts things that have "no substance"? ?

 

 

1 hour ago, Grey Cloud said:

My beef with your original post was that you stated something without any substance and which bore no direct relation to a clear error message about too many animations. You have not yet come up with anything more than 'it might', 'it could', 'potentially' and other such imaginary disaster scenarios. I on the other hand have produced responses to your questions directly from Fore on the description page of FNIS.

Do you mean my post where i tell the OP, that he should address the first problem first?
You really do not understand that it may be better to fix the system first, before trying to fix problems with stuff you ADDED into the system?

 

 

1 hour ago, Grey Cloud said:

2 hours ago, Roggvir said:

A great amount of them aren't even good enough, and that you can only tell only when you see them in game, but what you can do right now, is to think about whether you really need all those Skeever, Foxes, Rabbit, and Bear animations, etc

That has nothing to do with any technical issue and is merely your subjective opinion on what is and is not a suitable animation.

Really? lowering the number of animations has nothing to do with a problem that comes from having too many animations?

 

 

1 hour ago, Grey Cloud said:

So now you decide to address the too many animations issue but again you launch into an overly complicated solution. The obvious and simplest solutions have already been given assuming it an animation number issue (and I am still not convinced it is).

1. Uninstall the Nibbles old anims pack to reduce the number (redundant)

2. Uninstall the Non SL Animation pack to reduce the number (redundant)

3. Install FNIS XXL to increase the limit

4. Install Animation Limit Crash Fix to remove the limit

 

Absolutely no need to be editing files or running scripts.

You really are confused. I was addressing the core of the problem from the start, you just didn't notice for some reason.

 

Anyway, NOT editing a few TXT files and keeping all kinds of crap you will never use, that is another option, yes.
And sure, it is very likely, that you can still keep all that bloat in your game, and your game will CTD because of it only sometimes.
How dare i try to tell ppl to prevent issues by keeping their game clean and properly configured

[Roggvir]

1 hour ago, Grey Cloud said:

No. Nor have I ever run it either. Computers do not think a path is at a certain place nor do they pluck a path out of thin air. The path comes from where the program installs to.

I've been playing computer games since W98 days and cannot recall ever having to edit the registry.

This paragraph explains a lot.
But it is ok to be young and inexperienced, we were all like that at some point, so i am not going to make fun of you because of that (besides, the learning never stops).
You simply do not have much experience yet, and not knowing how things really work, you incorrectly assume that is how everything works at all times, but you are wrong.

 

Also, maybe i missed it, but i don't think anybody here (except you) said anything about editing the registry, that shouldn't be needed in this case - you typically just run the game and let it write the correct information into the registry (though, who knows, things do not always work as expected, bugs happen).

I am most surprised though by your claim that you never had to edit registry. Really?

You are playing games since 1998, and you never needed to edit the Windows registry to make something work?
You sir, are one lucky son of a bitch. ?

Edited September 21, 2022 by Roggvir

[yorpers]

8 minutes ago, Roggvir said:

here (except you) said anything about editing the registry

I linked him to a forum post that did, so thats my fault. And I do edit the registry files personally to dump ae updates into another install on a backup drive; then change them back. So you can blame me for that one.?

 

 

[Roggvir]

1 minute ago, yorpers said:

I linked him to a forum post that did, so thats my fault. And I do edit the registry files personally to dump ae updates into another install on a backup drive; then change them back. So you can blame me for that one.?

Aha, may bad then, again

 

[Grey Cloud]

 

 

48 minutes ago, Roggvir said:

But you want the OP to ignore that warning, because you always ignored it, but i am the one who spouts things that have "no substance"?

You have not come up with one shred of evidence regarding any danger that message represents to anything. If you have never had the message then how do you know it is a bad thing?

 

48 minutes ago, Roggvir said:

Do you mean my post where i tell the OP, that he should address the first problem first?
You really do not understand that it may be better to fix the system first, before trying to fix problems with stuff you ADDED into the system?

Your first post was "You should address this problem first, before you do anything else." in reference to the FNIS path message. There is nothing in the system which needs fixing. The problem is solely a FNIS and animation problem. All your potentially this and potentially that is just you flailing about.

 

48 minutes ago, Roggvir said:

Really? lowering the number of animations has nothing to do with a problem that comes from having too many animations?

That isn't what you were saying in the part I am referencing there. You were telling the OP which animations to remove not that he should lower the number per se. Anyway why were you telling him to remove animations when he hasn't fix the system or addressed the FNIS path message yet?

 

48 minutes ago, Roggvir said:

You really are confused. I was addressing the core of the problem from the start,

No you were not. As I've already stated your first post was "You should address this problem first, before you do anything else" referring to the FNIS path message. It was nothing to do with animations or numbers.

 

48 minutes ago, Roggvir said:

How dare i try to tell ppl to prevent issues by keeping their game clean and properly configured

You think you are the only person to think of this? The OP has a problem involving FNIS and animations which will be relatively simple to solve. You have given him advice on everything except how to actually resolve this problem until it had been given by at least three other people and it was obvious you had nothing useful to offer.

 

24 minutes ago, Roggvir said:

This sentence explains a lot.
But it is ok to be young and inexperienced, we were all like that at some point, so i am not going to make fun of you because of that (besides, the learning never stops).
You simply do not have much experience yet, and not knowing how things really work, you incorrectly assume that is how everything works at all times, but you are wrong.

This paragraph is nonsensical and reads like the ramblings of a madman. How does 20 plus years of gaming make me either young or inexperienced. I'm 65 and a retired IT tech.

Exactly how do things work?

What things?

What evidence do you have that I assume 'that is how everything works at all times'.

How do I think things work?

What the hell are you rambling about?

 

Edited September 21, 2022 by Grey Cloud

[Grey Cloud]

25 minutes ago, Roggvir said:

I am most surprised though by your claim that you never had to edit registry. Really?

You are playing games since 1998, and you never needed to edit the Windows registry to make something work?
You sir, are one lucky son of a bitch.

No, just some one who knows what he is doing. Perhaps the fact that you diddle about in the registry is the reason why your system needs fixing. ?

[Roggvir]

25 minutes ago, Grey Cloud said:

No, just some one who knows what he is doing. Perhaps the fact that you diddle about in the registry is the reason why your system needs fixing. ?

Haha, no, you already told me all about your incompetence when you wrote that amazing piece about "the path", but otherwise this answer of yours is funny, i give you that.

This simple fact that you never needed to edit registry, shows not how much experience you have, but how little

Edited September 21, 2022 by Roggvir

[heybeterino]

oh wow I did not expect this to blow up, taking note of all the observations though

[Grey Cloud]

17 minutes ago, heybeterino said:

oh wow I did not expect this to blow up, taking note of all the observations though

Simplest and quickest way to get to the bottom of this is:

 

1. Uninstall the Nibbles old anims pack to reduce the number (redundant)

2. Uninstall the Non SL Animation pack to reduce the number (redundant)

3. Install FNIS XXL to increase the limit

4. Install Animation Limit Crash Fix to remove the limit

 

If after 1 & 2 the problem goes away then you can assume it is an animation limit issue and your options would then be 3 or 4. I'd go for 4 as it removes the limit entirely.

If the FNIS message remains then remove ZAP either reinstall or install the newest version and see what that does.

[Grey Cloud]

16 hours ago, Roggvir said:

This simple fact that you never needed to edit registry, shows not how much experience you have, but how little

Share your knowledge and give the world 5 examples of why you have to edit the registry.

[Roggvir]

1 hour ago, Grey Cloud said:

Share your knowledge and give the world 5 examples of why you have to edit the registry.

You think you are being clever, but this really only shows how ignorant you are.
Unfortunately for you, i don't feel like helping you.
Not because you are ignorant, we all are ignorant about many things, but because you believe that you know it all, and that makes you not just ignorant, but an ingorant prick.
But i give you a tip at least - try a google search, if you can.

 

[Grey Cloud]

39 minutes ago, Roggvir said:

Unfortunately for you, i don't feel like helping you.

So I'll take that as a you not having anything to back up your words again.

 

40 minutes ago, Roggvir said:

But i give you a tip at least - try a google search, if you can.

Search for what? 'editing registry'?

[Roggvir]

40 minutes ago, Grey Cloud said:

So I'll take that as a you not having anything to back up your words again.

 

Search for what? 'editing registry'?

No, i am just letting you remain ignorant.
You are not asking me so you can learn something, you are asking because in your ignorance you really believe i cannot possibly have any example, and therefore you smugly conclude that you are right.
It is a sad thing, when being right matters more to somebody, than learning that they were wrong.
Being wrong is great, because that is how you learn new things.
But it is never too late to embrace being wrong, so who knows, maybe even you will get to experience it one day, and learn something, just not today.

Edited September 22, 2022 by Roggvir

[Grey Cloud]

12 minutes ago, Roggvir said:

No, i am just letting you remain ignorant.

Prove it.

 

12 minutes ago, Roggvir said:

you really believe i cannot possibly have any example

Yes I do so prove me wrong.

 

12 minutes ago, Roggvir said:

You are not asking me so you can learn something

I am always willing to learn something especially in a case like this where I cannot imagine a case where editing the Windows registry on a regular basis would be required for gaming.

 

Throughout you have been great at saying what I cannot or do not know and what I think or do not think yet you are not so good at providing any evidence for your assertions. I am still waiting for something to support this: "You should address this problem first, before you do anything else".

You are also great at avoiding any questions I ask such as the one from my last post: "Search for what? 'editing registry'?" Tell me what to search for and I will gladly do so and do the reading.

 

[Roggvir]

17 minutes ago, Grey Cloud said:

Prove it.

Why? You keep proving it yourself since the first moment you posted in this topic.

 

20 minutes ago, Grey Cloud said:

I am always willing to learn something especially in a case like this where I cannot imagine a case where editing the Windows registry on a regular basis would be required for gaming.

Are you? Always? ...except just not now for some reason ?
Look at what you just wrote - you completely twisted what has been originally said, into something wastly different, something that was never said here by anybody except you just now.

And you clearly did that so you can present this twisted rewritten statement in a way that makes it beter fit your silly claims.
That is not what somebody who is "always willing to learn" does.

[Grey Cloud]

So you cannot prove it. Understood.

 

31 minutes ago, Roggvir said:

You keep proving it yourself since the first moment you posted in this topic.

How? Would you care to attempt an example or are you going to stick with your usual MO of just making an assertion?

 

32 minutes ago, Roggvir said:

Are you? Always? ...except just not now for some reason

Yes I am and why do you say I'm not now?

 

33 minutes ago, Roggvir said:

Look at what you just wrote - you completely twisted what has been originally said, into something wastly different, something that was never said here by anybody except you just now.

I have no idea what you are saying here. What have I completely twisted? What was never said before by anyone except me?

 

34 minutes ago, Roggvir said:

That is not what somebody who is "always willing to learn" does.

In your opinion. Once again you cannot provide any evidence for any of your assertions but you are quick to make comments about me.

 

1 hour ago, Grey Cloud said:

I am still waiting for something to support this: "You should address this problem first, before you do anything else".

You forgot to answer the question again.

[Roggvir]

1 minute ago, Grey Cloud said:

41 minutes ago, Roggvir said:

You keep proving it yourself since the first moment you posted in this topic.

How?

This is how.

 

2 minutes ago, Grey Cloud said:

I have no idea what you are saying here.

Not only there, apparently.

 

 

3 minutes ago, Grey Cloud said:

In your opinion

Of course, or did you think i was posting somebody elses opinions?

 

 

10 minutes ago, Grey Cloud said:

1 hour ago, Grey Cloud said:

I am still waiting for something to support this: "You should address this problem first, before you do anything else".

You forgot to answer the question again.

You see a question somewhere in there? How odd.