Sexy Bandit Captives © [WIP] Support Thread

[necrontyr525]

LE (0.98g) user here. Getting a crash pretty consistently at one point in the main quest and I'm wondering if anyone else is getting it, if this was fixed a while back and I need a stray patch file, or if this just something in my setup that I need to hunt down.

Live another Life start, pre-helgen, so main game story quest has not activated yet.

start SBC, get the first captive out of the bandit camp, did the entire talk to x to find next person who can help bit, and now I'm at the blind mage in winterhold.

I can talk to him, get the release help dialogue tree going. first failed release and the paralysis throw work just fine. He gets back up, does his bit, teleport to the daedric space and then crash.

Has anyone else run into this before? I can add logs if needed.

[Blackbird Wanderer]

On 1/13/2024 at 12:52 AM, Balgin said:

I have an idea having had to correct the ear lobes on a number of head sculpts. It's possible to achieve a similar (if somewhat cruder and chunky result) with a handful of minutes and lots of tweaking and fine tuning but then you'd need to do the other ear.

You can sculpt in Outfit Studio, and mirroring then works, but trials so far have produced worse results than the starting product.

 

36 minutes ago, necrontyr525 said:

He gets back up, does his bit, teleport to the daedric space and then crash.

This happened erratically in test, and it's not the mod itself as much as it is a lot happening at once that can overwhelm a less capable system, both hardware capability and things like the 32 bit Papyrus engine.  This was one of the reasons modding for SBC was shifted to SSE.  The 64 bit setup is incredibly stable in comparison to LE, as long as you can deal with the quirks peculiar to SSE.

[necrontyr525]

20 minutes ago, Blackbird Wanderer said:

This happened erratically in test, and it's not the mod itself as much as it is a lot happening at once that can overwhelm a less capable system, both hardware capability and things like the 32 bit Papyrus engine.  This was one of the reasons modding for SBC was shifted to SSE.  The 64 bit setup is incredibly stable in comparison to LE, as long as you can deal with the quirks peculiar to SSE.

Got it. Taking it as a given that 0.98g is last ver for LE then, unless a back-conversion is somehow possible. Kind of wishing I had the last ver of the mod pre-rewrite sitting arounds still. missing a lot of features but was stable AF in my list. (I run Oldrim/LE because a lot ofg the mods I like never made the jump to SE and/or there are nor replacements for them there)

I've had similar crashes where lots and lots of high-res textures get loaded in suddenly, esp. mass 4k textures - oldrim engine does *not* like that - so i'll look at workarounds.

might be I can push the quest and script markers forwards without actually watching the scene. Might also be possible to quick / hard save part way through and just spam it until it works. 

I also took the 15 mins to go get the unbound and live another life quests done as I've noted that the game in a pre-helgen (aka pre-unbound) state is less stable. probably something to do with needing to defuse the script-bomb that is the damn helgen scene. 

Anyone else remember loading the game up for the first time, riding the cart, and then getting yeeted into orbit by a bunny under a cart wheel? Or NPCs losing the script and just standing about?

Edited January 20, 2024 by necrontyr525

[tinkerbelle]

10 minutes ago, necrontyr525 said:

Got it. Taking it as a given that 0.98g is last ver for LE then, unless a back-conversion is somehow possible. Kind of wishing I had the last ver of the mod pre-rewrite sitting arounds still. missing a lot of features but was stable AF in my list. (I run Oldrim/LE because a lot ofg the mods I like never made the jump to SE and/or there are nor replacements for them there)

I've had similar crashes where lots and lots of high-res textures get loaded in suddenly, esp. mass 4k textures - oldrim engine does *not* like that - so i'll look at workarounds.

might be I can push the quest and script markers forwards without actually watching the scene. Might also be possible to quick / hard save part way through and just spam it until it works. 

I also took the 15 mins to go get the unbound and live another life quests done as I've noted that the game in a pre-helgen (aka pre-unbound) state is less stable. probably something to do with needing to defuse the script-bomb that is the damn helgen scene. 

Anyone else remember loading the game up for the first time, riding the cart, and then getting yeeted into orbit by a bunny under a cart wheel? Or NPCs losing the script and just standing about?

As a SkyrimLE user, both default start and alternate start, I can say that my character has never been in orbit by a bunny or otherwise.  There is the infamous (0,0,0) bug, but that's not orbital height and as far as I know only happens during a Sexlab event.

 

NPC's losing the plot can be from overtaxing the game and lagging (not to mention bad scripting, but not in SexyBanditCaptives).

 

[necrontyr525]

19 minutes ago, tinkerbelle said:

As a SkyrimLE user, both default start and alternate start, I can say that my character has never been in orbit by a bunny or otherwise.  There is the infamous (0,0,0) bug, but that's not orbital height and as far as I know only happens during a Sexlab event.

 

NPC's losing the plot can be from overtaxing the game and lagging (not to mention bad scripting, but not in SexyBanditCaptives).

 

 I have to clamp FPS to 65 max to limit physics bugs like that tbh. Trying Adrenaline Chill to see if that helps any.
So far 7 crashes for 7 attempts with the scene, so just left searching for the old pre-rewrite version to get a stable build.

and those old bugs? Skyrim 1.4 un-modded, they day after the creation kit dropped. I feel old af now. 

[tinkerbelle]

7 minutes ago, necrontyr525 said:

 I have to clamp FPS to 65 max to limit physics bugs like that tbh. Trying Adrenaline Chill to see if that helps any.
So far 7 crashes for 7 attempts with the scene, so just left searching for the old pre-rewrite version to get a stable build.

and those old bugs? Skyrim 1.4 un-modded, they day after the creation kit dropped. I feel old af now. 

Hmmm, there's comments in Fallout4 about physics being tied to framerate (body physics anyway).  Over there they recommend limiting to 59.9, but that's for body physics.  There are other body physic methods for Skyrim.

 

[necrontyr525]

and got my issue fixed up.

Root cause (estimated): PC too stronk, physics / papyrus engine could not keep up old singe thread engine choked and died.

Solution: Update ENBoost and use the [Limiter} section to cap fps to 60 (AMD Adrenaline chill did fck all, probably b/c I have a RX5700 not a RX6000 or newer).

Result: Scene ran fine first fcking try.

Side effect (Positive): also fixed my 'swimming over land' glitch from the physics engine not being able to keep up.
 

Edited January 20, 2024 by necrontyr525

[valcon767]

13 hours ago, necrontyr525 said:

Anyone else remember loading the game up for the first time, riding the cart, and then getting yeeted into orbit by a bunny under a cart wheel? Or NPCs losing the script and just standing about?

 

glad you found the problem and have it working now.

 

yep physics will do that if your system is "too good" for LE.  when i first got the computer i play on now i had something very similar

happen.  1st game load on this one cart hit a bump in the road so physics spazzed out badly (all prisoners went in different directions)

trees were stable, but everything that moved was in perpetual spaz out mode.  took me a few hours of searching to find out that it was

physics.  limiting frame rate to 60 worked like a charm (was 327).  yes i have a good system ..... now.  but as i am poor i just made do

with the system i had until it died.  the only place i have found so far where i drop from that rock solid 60fps is in DCL'S Whip & Chain Inn,

there i drop all the way down to 55 for about 3-5 seconds.  mostly playing FO4 now, but i still play LE due to some mods not porting over

(or anything that does similar).  my LE is probably as stable as it is possible to get.  that took me over 6 years on old puter to adjust (just copied

backup to new one when i got it).  so that is the other reason i have not moved to SE (would have to start from scratch all over again on stability

and other things like body type, skins, and textures)plus having to sort out SE versions (there are at least 2 SE versions, plus AE, plus VR) to get all

mods that are on the same version ...... nah i will just keep playing LE.

 

[Blackbird Wanderer]

On 1/13/2024 at 12:52 AM, Balgin said:

I have an idea having had to correct the ear lobes on a number of head sculpts. It's possible to achieve a similar (if somewhat cruder and chunky result) with a handful of minutes and lots of tweaking and fine tuning but then you'd need to do the other ear.

Happened across a headmesh example that was obviously earlobe edited.  Kinda looks horrible and reinforces the lack of a solution.  Attached earlobes it is, unless one of the headmesh mods is updated to facilitate it.  Unfortunately, we're left with a choice between bad solutions.

Spoiler

 

[JayRoz]

Hello. 
Doing the quest and finished the panty dilemma only to get stuck at the next part. 
"Seek information in the Pale"

"Seek information in Hjaalmarch"

"Seek information in Haafingar"

"Seek information from the innkeeper"
Everyone I ask either points me to a new area or says they don't know anything. 
Where do I go from here? Need to send more captives to inns?

[valcon767]

5 hours ago, JayRoz said:

Hello. 
Doing the quest and finished the panty dilemma only to get stuck at the next part. 
"Seek information in the Pale"

"Seek information in Hjaalmarch"

"Seek information in Haafingar"

"Seek information from the innkeeper"
Everyone I ask either points me to a new area or says they don't know anything. 
Where do I go from here? Need to send more captives to inns?

if you did not run out of captives (which i doubt happened yet) try going to The White Hall (Dawnstar)

in the pale and talk to everyone in there. talk to the people in the "seats of power" if of the places

worked for me.

 

 

[JayRoz]

55 minutes ago, valcon767 said:

if you did not run out of captives (which i doubt happened yet) try going to The White Hall (Dawnstar)

in the pale and talk to everyone in there. talk to the people in the "seats of power" if of the places

worked for me.

 

 

Thank you very much. I ended up doing that around solitude. The moment I spoke to the dawnstar jarl the quest advanced. 

[Blackbird Wanderer]

1 hour ago, JayRoz said:

Thank you very much. I ended up doing that around solitude. The moment I spoke to the dawnstar jarl the quest advanced. 

That one is odd because the Jarls of Dawnstar don't use stewards, so you end up getting the information directly from the Jarl.  A separate set of dialogues had to be written just to handle Skald the Elder / Brina Merilis.

 

You most likely didn't notice the prompt at the top of the Quest log:  "Investigate the reports of captives in certain bandit camps.  Stewards and Jarls are often good information sources."

[Archon459]

1. If I have Apachii hair installed, will this 100% prevent the mod from working, or just result in weird hair? (if it's the latter, I can deal with it).

 

2. I have some mods installed that change how radiant quests work. Specifically, the ability to permanently clear some bandit camps/forts, and so prevent you from finding bounty targets (e.g. "find x guy at y camp and kill him") at locations you've already cleared this way. How will this mod interact with it?

[Blackbird Wanderer]

3 hours ago, keitel66 said:

1. If I have Apachii hair installed, will this 100% prevent the mod from working, or just result in weird hair? (if it's the latter, I can deal with it).

 

2. I have some mods installed that change how radiant quests work. Specifically, the ability to permanently clear some bandit camps/forts, and so prevent you from finding bounty targets (e.g. "find x guy at y camp and kill him") at locations you've already cleared this way. How will this mod interact with it?

Great questions.

 

1.  Apachii installation will have no effect whatsoever.  However, KS-Hair must also be loaded as a soft dependency (ESP need not be checked in, just files present) otherwise all the Captives will be bald.

 

2.  SBC dynamically detects the presence of a living bandit boss at any of the established bandit camps when it comes time to place the next set of Captives, so it should work seamlessly with mods that permanently clear camps.  Caveat: as long as it doesn't clear all of them and leave SBC with nowhere to place Captives.

[Archon459]

On 2/19/2024 at 8:19 PM, Blackbird Wanderer said:

Great questions.

 

1.  Apachii installation will have no effect whatsoever.  However, KS-Hair must also be loaded as a soft dependency (ESP need not be checked in, just files present) otherwise all the Captives will be bald.

 

2.  SBC dynamically detects the presence of a living bandit boss at any of the established bandit camps when it comes time to place the next set of Captives, so it should work seamlessly with mods that permanently clear camps.  Caveat: as long as it doesn't clear all of them and leave SBC with nowhere to place Captives.

 

I think I misunderstood you completely.

 

Bandit "camps"? Are we talking about new, custom locations you put into this mod, or the pre-existing bandit "caves" like Lost Knife Hideout and Embershard Mine?

[Blackbird Wanderer]

9 hours ago, keitel66 said:

Bandit "camps"? Are we talking about new, custom locations you put into this mod, or the pre-existing bandit "caves" like Lost Knife Hideout and Embershard Mine?

Either one.  They are treated the same by SBC.  The search for a bandit camp with a living boss character is dynamic and real-time.  Either form of bandit camp will be recognized.

 

The caveat is the camp must also have an invisible SBC marker placed to designate it as a valid location (Captive placement markers are linked to this marker).  The SBC camps, the vanilla camps, and the MBC camps all have this (plus another couple of mods as well).  Some camps are going to be too small or too out of the way to make sense, so not every camp in your game is necessarily a valid SBC placement site.

[Archon459]

8 hours ago, Blackbird Wanderer said:

Either one.  They are treated the same by SBC.  The search for a bandit camp with a living boss character is dynamic and real-time.  Either form of bandit camp will be recognized.

 

The caveat is the camp must also have an invisible SBC marker placed to designate it as a valid location (Captive placement markers are linked to this marker).  The SBC camps, the vanilla camps, and the MBC camps all have this (plus another couple of mods as well).  Some camps are going to be too small or too out of the way to make sense, so not every camp in your game is necessarily a valid SBC placement site.

Is there a map or guide where I can see the locations of new camps added? I want to be sure your mod's additions can literally fit into my setup. I have a couple of mods that add stuff.

[Archon459]

On 1/20/2024 at 1:35 PM, necrontyr525 said:

 (I run Oldrim/LE because a lot ofg the mods I like never made the jump to SE and/or there are nor replacements for them there)

Oof. I know your pain. I'm VERY new to Skyrim modding (less than 3 months in), but it took like 3 weeks to get my build stable with AE 1130. Then they released 1170, and I'm not going to update for exactly the same reason you cited.

[Blackbird Wanderer]

On 2/24/2024 at 8:28 PM, keitel66 said:

Is there a map or guide where I can see the locations of new camps added? I want to be sure your mod's additions can literally fit into my setup. I have a couple of mods that add stuff.

No, but there aren't that many organic to SBC.  The ones that are there are fairly large, but they're in really out of the way places for the most part where placing such a camp was difficult so has a low chance of cross-mod conflict.

• Bonefall Slope (underneath Bleakfalls Barrrow exit)
• Rockslide Ridge (south of the road to Rorikstead on the slope)
• Camp Frostdrake (Winterhold athwart the east-west road up from the coast)
• Camp Reachcliff (The Reach)
• Pinefrost Haven (west of Solitude)
• Wakefield Cave (south side of Lake Ilinalta)

 

[Archon459]

On 2/26/2024 at 9:39 PM, Blackbird Wanderer said:

No, but there aren't that many organic to SBC.  The ones that are there are fairly large, but they're in really out of the way places for the most part where placing such a camp was difficult so has a low chance of cross-mod conflict.

• Bonefall Slope (underneath Bleakfalls Barrrow exit)
• Rockslide Ridge (south of the road to Rorikstead on the slope)
• Camp Frostdrake (Winterhold athwart the east-west road up from the coast)
• Camp Reachcliff (The Reach)
• Pinefrost Haven (west of Solitude)
• Wakefield Cave (south side of Lake Ilinalta)

 

Thank you again for the responses. Much appreciated. I'm download this mod, but I'm running AE...wish me luck!

[Archon459]

Hey! It's really fun so far! Also super saucy wow. Only just found my first camp, but already loving what you've done with it. Nice work! I like it so much I downloaded https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/27574 . You also recommended the DFT style of this mod, but I saw there were quite a few bugs with that one so I haven't installed it yet.

[worik]

12 hours ago, keitel66 said:

I'm download this mod, but I'm running AE...wish me luck!

I've played the mod on LE and am now setting up (slowly) my AE game. So far, I havn't found any noteworthy issues in my various test-things-out runs .

If you stumble upon anything, please post it here. 

[Archon459]

9 hours ago, worik said:

I've played the mod on LE and am now setting up (slowly) my AE game. So far, I havn't found any noteworthy issues in my various test-things-out runs .

If you stumble upon anything, please post it here. 

This is minor, but i t's worth adding:

 

Quest markers are missing for these Optional quest items (251):

This is while the quest objectives shown below are active.

[Blackbird Wanderer]

5 hours ago, keitel66 said:

Quest markers are missing for these Optional quest items (251):

This is while the quest objectives shown below are active.

They were deliberately not added.  Style choice and a dislike of overly directive mods/quests.  e.g., There are also no quest markers for the stewards of the holds you hear about from innkeepers.