NPC Chubby/Fat face

[a2550948]

I am having a bug that makes Female NPC face looks chubby, I found that it is skyrim generating another face for the NPC
It look like this on Ysolda.


I am currently using JH_NPC and other NPC overhaul from the modlist I downloaded, is it because they modified the same NPC?
Is there any specific way to fix this?

[Shadowbroker3495]

Not unless you feel like face sculpting in Racemenu yourself.

 

Mod creators interpretation of how he/she thinks Ysolda should look like. Find another NPC overhaul mod that suits your preference. There are quite a lot of them.

 

Yes, NPC overhaul mods often change the same NPC's facial appearance. Last overhaul mod loaded is winning the conflict.

 

[a2550948]

1 hour ago, Shadowbroker3495 said:

Not unless you feel like face sculpting in Racemenu yourself.

 

Mod creators interpretation of how he/she thinks Ysolda should look like. Find another NPC overhaul mod that suits your preference. There are quite a lot of them.

 

Yes, NPC overhaul mods often change the same NPC's facial appearance. Last overhaul mod loaded is winning the conflict.

 

Problem is, that's not how Ysolda is suppose to look like.

Edited September 28, 2021 by a2550948

[nono_cat]

I run into this problem four years later,have you fix it? I thougt i may caused by load order

[Grey Cloud]

1 hour ago, nono_cat said:

I run into this problem four years later,have you fix it? I thougt i may caused by load order

The head in the image is a generic head with Ysolda's hair and make up.

 

What does your mod manager tell you? What does XEdit tell you?

[traison]

2 hours ago, nono_cat said:

I run into this problem four years later,have you fix it? I thougt i may caused by load order

 

Inspect the following files:

 

meshes\actors\charcter\character assets\femalehead.tri
meshes\actors\charcter\facegendata\facegeom\Skyrim.esm\00013BAB.nif

 

Inspect the following plugin records:

 

 [00] Skyrim.esm (7CAB85A9) \ Non-Player Character (Actor) \ 00013BAB <Ysolda>

 

The mods providing or otherwise changing these is responsible or incompatible with something else you have. Also disable mods that contain a dll and claim to fix the dark face bug such as this one.

[anjenthedog]

Afaik, it means that the head model that the mod replacing her face with a new one, isn't the head model the mod expected.

 

For instance, if you use a replacer mod that expects the vanilla (ie stock) head model but encounters the HPH head model, things usually get wonky. Conversely, if the expected head is HPH and you encounter the vanilla model, it also distorts the result. 

 

Or if the model expects a different race, same basic thing, wrong head model to reproduce what you see in advert snapshots for the replacer.

 

Or if it's a preset for the player, you need to check the head model via Racemenu to select the correct one. (A typical error at least some myself included players make early on in applying HPH is not changing their head part from vanilla  to the HPH head model and wondering why it looks wrong...)

Edited March 26, 2025 by anjenthedog

[traison]

31 minutes ago, anjenthedog said:

For instance, if you use a replacer mod that expects the vanilla (ie stock) head model but encounters the HPH head model, things usually get wonky.

 

Yes that's what the femalehead.tri file is for. As far as I know morphs aren't built into facegen meshes, meaning if you install HPH while still using vanilla NPC faces you will get funny results: namely none of the morphs working (which is what the OP is seeing) or faces turning into spike balls. The same goes the other way around.

[Grey Cloud]

2 minutes ago, traison said:

meaning if you install HPH while still using vanilla NPC faces you will get funny results: namely none of the morphs working (which is what the OP is seeing) or faces turning into spike balls. The same goes the other way around.

Yep, that about sums up my experience when editing my army of followers over the years. Some mods don't make it obvious they use HPH. Nowadays I just leave the head nif and tri files alone rather than waste time checking and generally faffing about. Applies to brows and the other parts also.

 

This is result of HPH meets vanilla brows or vice versa. Took me a while figure it out as I initially thought the problem was the eyes.