Naked Defeat AE/SE

[crajjjj]

20 hours ago, Nymra said:

 

they should be. maybe I missed something up. will check for next update.

Weird. It's okay now after the game was restarted. Serana is calmer now for some reason... 
But I have other issues -
1) fatigue and health stuck on max values after the scenario was ended (or maybe after the save was loaded in the middle of the scenario) - solved by ND disabled. (P.S. I disabled bleed-out  and essential flag in ND  - using practical defeat for out-of-health scenarios)
2) I was trying out the ND strip feature and it works strangely - a) there is no chance to avoid defeat against stream magic even if it is blocked
b) would be cool to have some kind of min armor items for defeat - so it starts only after e.g. 3-4 items lost. 

c) The naked chance is confusing - how is the damage being tracked - what about bikini armors?

3) there is a big lag after the K button press for escape - not a major issue but a bit annoying

4) For the fast travel ritual - how big is the time window - I was going to the inventory to dress up (weight mgmt) and the map was disabled again after that 

[Nymra]

1 hour ago, crajjjj said:

Weird. It's okay now after the game was restarted. Serana is calmer now for some reason... 
But I have other issues -
1) fatigue and health stuck on max values after the scenario was ended (or maybe after the save was loaded in the middle of the scenario) - solved by ND disabled. (P.S. I disabled bleed-out  and essential flag in ND  - using practical defeat for out-of-health scenarios)

 

yeah, should only be health basically, but I think its the god mode cloak I m using from back in the day... some things just not well designed in papyrus. 

try to disable godmode, maybe that helps. Will also remove some of that stuff in the next update. 

 

but could also be practical defeat and naked defeat mess with stuff that causes that in unison. 

 

1 hour ago, crajjjj said:

2) I was trying out the ND strip feature and it works strangely - a) there is no chance to avoid defeat against stream magic even if it is blocked

 

what do you mean with stream magic? like lifedrain?

I want to add a detection for what kind of attack it was, currently its a bit limited, hit or not or powerattack.

 

basically every hit can cause strip, even when blocked. blocking only reduces the chance by I think 75% 

 

if the stream magic causes a lot of continuous hits per time frame it might cause a higher chance of strip too. you could upload a papyrus log if available, dunno when I ll be able to reproduce the issue. 

 

1 hour ago, crajjjj said:

b) would be cool to have some kind of min armor items for defeat - so it starts only after e.g. 3-4 items lost. 

 

not planned at the moment. 

 

1 hour ago, crajjjj said:

c) The naked chance is confusing - how is the damage being tracked - what about bikini armors?

 

the naked chance in Combat :Options: only adds to the Critical Defeat Chance when you are hit on a naked spot on the body.

no damage is tracked, its all the same "OnHit" Trigger.

Bikini armors are treated as the armor type the are (light/heavy), nothing else is considered. 

Might adress the bikini keyword in the future, tho. 

 

1 hour ago, crajjjj said:

3) there is a big lag after the K button press for escape - not a major issue but a bit annoying

 

you mean when you end the crawling? do you use Nemesis? and do you use the crawling animations? 

I dont have the lag, tho. Any other mod uses the K hotkey too?
Papyrus log might give a hint on whats causing it. 

 

1 hour ago, crajjjj said:

4) For the fast travel ritual - how big is the time window - I was going to the inventory to dress up (weight mgmt) and the map was disabled again after that 

 

60 seconds, then travel is disabled again. Also after fast travelling once its also OFF again. 

in the future the feature will require beeing naked and unarmed anyway, both for the ritual and for travelling or the risk of mishaps and losing all stuff is increased. 

 

its meant to be punishing and adding a new layer of thinking to the game (travelling naked with no armor and weapon equipped into a dangerous zone where enemies might lurk and instantly attack while Naked Defeats BETA features restrict equipping armors during combat might be interesting.

I want the player to choose a travel location wisely. 

 

 

 

[Nymra]

1 hour ago, dirkinz said:

I'm a little confused by the file formats. If I want the most recent version, do I need to install all three following files?

- Full Mod v4-80

- Patch v4-81

- Patch v4-90

 

currently yes until I get to a full release again (for 5.00 maybe).

still gathering stuff for that.

 

also might upload a new version the next days that fixes most recent bugs and adds some more DD options. 

 

tldr:

yes 

[crajjjj]

Thanks for the answers.

Stream magic = Flame, Spark, Frostbite, etc - indeed chance is calculated each second. Maybe makes sense to exclude magic from stripping - kinda "lore" friendly :-)

 

I'm currently using ND for "pre" defeat so there should not be collisions with Acheron and PD as they kick in on 0 health only

 

Still don't get the naked chance - do you only consider the body armor slot for stripping? if so makes sense. I was thinking about locational damage for some reason - gloves, boots , etc

 

K key is also used for filling bottles with water - maybe that is the issue (it fails quickly though when not in water). I'll try another key.

Nemesis is used (on top of FNIS). crawling is enabled.  

Interesting idea - I'm just playing with strict weight limits and undressing puts the character into an encumbered state when traveling is not possible

[Nymra]

47 minutes ago, crajjjj said:

Thanks for the answers.

Stream magic = Flame, Spark, Frostbite, etc - indeed chance is calculated each second. Maybe makes sense to exclude magic from stripping - kinda "lore" friendly :-)

 

I want to detect magic, but it will only have increased strip chances on heavy armor. maybe also based on type (flame magic clothing, frost magic vs. heavy dunno). Still have to see what I am able to pick up from the script....

 

47 minutes ago, crajjjj said:

I'm currently using ND for "pre" defeat so there should not be collisions with Acheron and PD as they kick in on 0 health only

 

ah, so only critical hits start Naked Defeat Scenario? Or you only use the stripping? 

yeah, that should be 100% possible. only thing that "can" happen is when you reach bleedout after beeing in critical defeat. Hence the Godmode there

 

47 minutes ago, crajjjj said:

Still don't get the naked chance - do you only consider the body armor slot for stripping? if so makes sense. I was thinking about locational damage for some reason - gloves, boots , etc

 

I just roll a dice which body part is supposed to be hit at random (higher chance for body and arms for example than head or legs). 

if that slot has no item equiped its considered naked. damage is not considered at all. 

 

47 minutes ago, crajjjj said:

Interesting idea - I'm just playing with strict weight limits and undressing puts the character into an encumbered state when traveling is not possible

 

I ll add a slider for the Mishap chances, you can set it to 0%  for example. 

But yeah, very specific problem sorry

[crajjjj]

2 hours ago, Nymra said:

 

I want to detect magic, but it will only have increased strip chances on heavy armor. maybe also based on type (flame magic clothing, frost magic vs. heavy dunno). Still have to see what I am able to pick up from the script....

 

 

ah, so only critical hits start Naked Defeat Scenario? Or you only use the stripping? 

yeah, that should be 100% possible. only thing that "can" happen is when you reach bleedout after beeing in critical defeat. Hence the Godmode there

 

 

I just roll a dice which body part is supposed to be hit at random (higher chance for body and arms for example than head or legs). 

if that slot has no item equiped its considered naked. damage is not considered at all. 

 

 

I ll add a slider for the Mishap chances, you can set it to 0%  for example. 

But yeah, very specific problem sorry

All clear now. Thanks again. Promise to not bother you for some time ?

Imho ND has the best "hardcore" defeat outcome system so far. It would be really great to see that working all together via acheron.

BTW idea for the wiggle minigame. Acheron extension library has a nice  api for a struggle qte minigame. Could be quite easy potentially to adjust it and use for wiggling.

Edited December 30, 2023 by crajjjj

[schweinehund]

On 12/29/2023 at 2:56 AM, Talesien said:

I recommend Osmels Sexlab Utility ++ in combination with Papyrus Tweaks NG
Make sure the "Speed up native calls" function is activated (it's disabled by default IIRC), that one function alone made so much difference in script speed for me it's freaky. (Even more so if we consider that the speed up is due to prevent a lot of multithreading. Talk about bad optimization, Bethesda ...)

First of all, thanks for the recomendation.

 

Now to be a bother again:

1. From time to time I'm getting the nobody found line with an agressor right next to me.

 

2. The travel feature isn't working for me. Sometimes a creature appears, sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes it disappears after a while, sometimes it doesn't. But whichever happens, that's the end of it. And as of now, travel works like a charm, without any changes on my part.

 

And just to mention it again, I really like your mod (strangely even when it's not working).

travel.1.log travel.log nobody.log

Edited December 30, 2023 by schweinehund

[Nymra]

5 hours ago, schweinehund said:

First of all, thanks for the recomendation.

 

Now to be a bother again:

1. From time to time I'm getting the nobody found line with an agressor right next to me.

 

2. The travel feature isn't working for me. Sometimes a creature appears, sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes it disappears after a while, sometimes it doesn't. But whichever happens, that's the end of it. And as of now, travel works like a charm, without any changes on my part.

 

And just to mention it again, I really like your mod (strangely even when it's not working).

travel.1.log 39.87 kB · 1 download travel.log 38.89 kB · 0 downloads nobody.log 64.2 kB · 1 download

 

will check the travel thing later. 

 

as for the "nobody":
Try to increase search radius. 2500 is not very much.

in the log there are only animals found nearby. 

or is the NPC nearby from some special mod? some of those can behave really weird. 
(and did you check what kind of actors are allowed or not? like its a female actors but females are not allowed?) and not a guard?

 

Edited December 30, 2023 by Nymra

[schweinehund]

It was a normal male bandit, so with a vanilla bounty on his head.  In the second log we're in the captainsquarters of a ship wreck. 2500 is the default for the worldspace, but I'll try bringing it up.

 

In dungeons higher values tended to draw halve the people of the dungeon, so I reduced that.

[Nymra]

24 minutes ago, schweinehund said:

It was a normal male bandit, so with a vanilla bounty on his head.  In the second log we're in the captainsquarters of a ship wreck. 2500 is the default for the worldspace, but I'll try bringing it up.

 

In dungeons higher values tended to draw halve the people of the dungeon, so I reduced that.

 

sadly this will never be ideal. I set the search radius to 10000 because I dont mind the crowd. 5000 should be a good average tho. 

 

I changed the distance to 5000 from start in the next version. also skyrim can be weird sometimes

 

QUESTION:
does the Naked Travel quest work for you now? 
I could not reproduce the issue of critters not spawning etc. 

[beetlebug123]

Looks Great! Anybody know how well this works with the Follower Slavery Mod?

[analogman77]

Hello
I seem to be having an issue.
I have a fresh install, so I installed this mod (along with all the other sexlab mods to make it work)

However when triggering the defeat, after I get the "select a destination" or something like that, I pick the place, press K again, and nothing happens. Npcs wander off, and nothing in general seems to happen. One time I got the yoke, one time I had a threesome start after trying to escape and pressing the T to rest, but  I cannot reproduce that again.

Any ideas on how to fix this?

[Nymra]

Ok, lets try this.

 

I cannot test any more stuff....

 

Install over any previous version as usual (disable, save&reload, enable, save&reload)

Requires preinstalled FULL 4.80 and 4.81 PATCH.

NAKED DEFEAT - Patch 4.92 - BETA Release

 

NEW FEATURE - DD Detection & Scenario (no DDe required)
- will detect heavy bondage and now start a special scenario where Devious Devices chooses all animations for poses and sex (which is sad, but the best I can do for now
---> scenario will only have sex and whipping and struggling out of the devices for now
---> with DDe you can still remove all DDs and also still add your custom DDe Outfits

---> this will be made more elaborate in the future with additional checks. 

 

Please test this with your DD Setup and report back. I still have DD 4.XX and not DD 5.X 

Should never break animations and or poses, meaning it should be 100% DD friendly. 

Upload Papyrus.logs if possible, just helps me greatly. 

 

COMBAT 
Speeding up PlayerGetUp when "Followers protect" is on.
Dunno what I had in mind there.

 

FIXED
- lots of minor issues and timings, still tidying up the stuff I did when learning scripting while writing the mod at the same time
- looping the Scenario after beeing free from furniture (hopefully this time)
- Player could hit himself with magic etc. and start defeat
- NoActors spawning during some Slavery Scenarios (its still WIP, sorry, have to add some civilian actors first for full support).
- persisent OpenMouth (hopefully this time)

 

 

 

Naked Defeat 4-92 - Patch BETA - (LE+SE).7z

[Nymra]

28 minutes ago, analogman77 said:

Hello
I seem to be having an issue.
I have a fresh install, so I installed this mod (along with all the other sexlab mods to make it work)

However when triggering the defeat, after I get the "select a destination" or something like that, I pick the place, press K again, and nothing happens. Npcs wander off, and nothing in general seems to happen. One time I got the yoke, one time I had a threesome start after trying to escape and pressing the T to rest, but  I cannot reproduce that again.

Any ideas on how to fix this?

 

no idea.

maybe try to increase search radius to 5000 or even 10000

 

enable papyrus logging

play again,

describe what the problem is and upload the papyrus log 

 

otherwise I can do nothing.

 

 

[Amatum]

On 12/29/2023 at 8:55 AM, Nymra said:

 

now it should never hit yourself from your own spells.

did you make a papyrus log? would be curious to have a look from the testrun where it did not send you to defeat.

 

Here ya go ? I cast it a bunch of times safe up in a cage.

Papyrus.0.log

[petterparker]

When I am defeated by the Dwemer Machines, it seems that everything will be fine. As I can see the messages of 'All is lost' and 'You have been defeated by Dwemer Machines' etc... then my character is sitting on the ground with his arms down (as usual) while the character controls are disabled . However, it's all there! Since I never see the messages that tell me 'The enemies are deciding who goes first', or the message of 'Crawl to find a good spot' or something like that... my character just stands there and that's it, nothing else happens. .
I try various things, such as opening and closing the console or using the 'K' key. Even Shift + K or Alt + K... I also tried installing everything again... following the 'save' and 'reload' steps correctly. But nothing works, until I realized that in the MCM creature library (which I already have enabled), Dwemer machines are not showing up. Is that the reason it doesn't work?
I found the bug in patch 4.91 and also in the newly released patch 4.92.

[analogman77]

1 hour ago, Nymra said:

 

no idea.

maybe try to increase search radius to 5000 or even 10000

 

enable papyrus logging

play again,

describe what the problem is and upload the papyrus log 

 

otherwise I can do nothing.

 

Thanks, I just tried and got these two. However I realized the problem seems to notbe with this mod, but with starting sex althogeter
 

 

Papyrus.0.log Papyrus.1.log

[schweinehund]

8 hours ago, Nymra said:

does the Naked Travel quest work for you now? 
I could not reproduce the issue of critters not spawning etc. 

At the moment everything seems to work fine.

 

Now I'll have to install DD to test the new beta.

[Burensc]

Hey I'm looking at follower frameworks on Nexus,  and I like this mod best of the defeat mods.

 

I think I'm going with:

Amazing Follower Tweaks SE

 

Mainly for it's compatibility with:

Convenient Horses

 

But also considering: 

Nether's Follower Framework

 

Any advice on if this mods compatibility with either of these?

[Nymra]

2 hours ago, Burensc said:

Hey I'm looking at follower frameworks on Nexus,  and I like this mod best of the defeat mods.

 

I think I'm going with:

Amazing Follower Tweaks SE

 

Mainly for it's compatibility with:

Convenient Horses

 

But also considering: 

Nether's Follower Framework

 

Any advice on if this mods compatibility with either of these?

 

I m using NFF myself and also used convenient horses, even thought about a "Naked Riding" feature, where you have to get fucked by the horse first before able to ride it, but that is postponed for now for several reasons.

amazing follower tweaks I used long ago, cannot remember.

 

In general I want to achieve as much compatibility as possible for naked defeat, so feel free to report any issues you have with followers and other mods and I ll always see what I can do. No guarantees tho, many things sadly I cannot fix from my side alone. 
 

[Nymra]

6 hours ago, analogman77 said:

 

Papyrus.0.log 298.62 kB · 0 downloads Papyrus.1.log 84.76 kB · 0 downloads

 

sorry, this is sadly nothing I can help with. 

The naked defeat part in the log files looks OK, but you never start the naked defeat scenario (no surrender, critical hit or bleedout situation).

So I cannot tell what is happening there.

 

Make sure you installed correctly:
Sexlab

Devious Devices

FNIS / NEmesis (tricky one, you need to run it and correctly put its files in your load order etc.) 

 

and configured and checked everything to be in order. then just try to get a mod like hentai creatures or Sexlab Match Maker and start Sex scenes with NPCs.

But I cannot help you there, this is only support Thread for Issues with my mod directly. leave Devious Devices out at first too

Edited December 31, 2023 by Nymra

[Talesien]

49 minutes ago, Nymra said:

 

I m using NFF myself and also used convenient horses, even thought about a "Naked Riding" feature, where you have to get fucked by the horse first before able to ride it, but that is postponed for now for several reasons.

 

Something along those lines perhaps?

 

[Burensc]

3 hours ago, Nymra said:

 

I m using NFF myself and also used convenient horses, even thought about a "Naked Riding" feature, where you have to get fucked by the horse first before able to ride it, but that is postponed for now for several reasons.

amazing follower tweaks I used long ago, cannot remember.

 

In general I want to achieve as much compatibility as possible for naked defeat, so feel free to report any issues you have with followers and other mods and I ll always see what I can do. No guarantees tho, many things sadly I cannot fix from my side alone. 
 

I am not into beastiality and disable it at every opportunity. So getting fucked by my horse is not my thing.

[Hochhalter1]

went to try out this mod for Ae and it gets flagged as not compatible with the game can causes CTD immediately when starting a new game for me. i downloaded all of the files marked SE. maybe i'm missing something? i don't think my skyrim is the highest AE. maybe an issue?

any ideas/advice is welcome^^

 

[analogman77]

9 hours ago, Nymra said:

 

sorry, this is sadly nothing I can help with. 

The naked defeat part in the log files looks OK, but you never start the naked defeat scenario (no surrender, critical hit or bleedout situation).

So I cannot tell what is happening there.

 

Make sure you installed correctly:
Sexlab

Devious Devices

FNIS / NEmesis (tricky one, you need to run it and correctly put its files in your load order etc.) 

 

and configured and checked everything to be in order. then just try to get a mod like hentai creatures or Sexlab Match Maker and start Sex scenes with NPCs.

But I cannot help you there, this is only support Thread for Issues with my mod directly. leave Devious Devices out at first too

 

I tried again, and I fixed the sex with other mods (sexlab), where it works if I go and talk to someone to fuck.

So I went to embershard mine to test, started combat, surrenderer, and as soon as I get the "go find a good spot". enemies go away, one of them goes to sleep, and I'm within melee range of him.

I'm using Fnis rather than nemesis. What could I try to make it work?

 

Papyrus.3.log