3BA body only works for Wood Elves and High Elves. The rest use normal CBBE

[nothindoin]

Yep. Some time ago I posted an issue where I noticed a discrepancy in bodies used by my save characters. At the time I thought it character specific. Turns out its not. Turns out it's racial specific. As the title says the awesome 3BA body and it's sliders only work for the Wood Elf and High Elf races in my install. And I cannot for the life of me figure it out. I thought it might be some elf specific mod but Dark Elves are unaffected. What's more...this problem with the other races is only when they are naked. If I equip converted armors and freecam into their bodies, the 3BA textures are readily apparent. I use no custom races. No unique characters. Bodyslide files built.

 

At my wits end, brothers. Anyone have any ideas what sort of madness could cause such a strange issue. 

[anjenthedog]

When an NPC is wearing clothes/armor, (or for that matter, when your own player is wearing clothes/armor) with almost 100% certainty, what you're seeing while they're clothed is the body that came with the clothes, since "wearing  clothes/armors" means both adding a clothes/armor element to the character, but also literally swapping out their body for the body that comes with the piece of clothing/armor. (almost, because there are special cases for relatively rare special armors that do not use a body swap, like Keung's furs) 

 

So what does that mean? It means that since your naked NPCs are displaying stock CBBE model bodies,  your naked NPCs are using CBBE-model bodies, not CBBE-3BBB (or other enhanced feature body models)

 

[nothindoin]

Alright. That makes sense.

 

But how does that explain Wood Elves and High Elves having the 3BBB body when naked? Why do they get it and no other races do? To be clear...I WANT them all to use 3BBB.

[anjenthedog]

idk. I thought when you built the female body, it was supposed to apply to all the vanilla race females. (unless you perform a "unique player body" build) (and with whatever exceptions there are in the game, some custom-body, named NPCs or custom-body followers, etc)

 

When you built your female body, did you build to (output meshes and tri files to)  the standard female assets folder? If not, that *might play into it, since the female NPCs call their info from those folders. (afaik). 

 

[Fotogen]

4 hours ago, anjenthedog said:

idk. I thought when you built the female body, it was supposed to apply to all the vanilla race females

Yes. Thats how BodySlide works. It puts new mesh into data\Meshes\Actors\Character Assets\ folder. Files femalebody_0.nif, femalebody_1.nif and femalebody.tri.

 

Its the same for LE and SE.

 

But you can also have mod(s), that change that. Dunno something in the line of "custom body for different races".

 

I don't use those type of mods, by the way. I build one body, sort of a "standard" body, and then use RaceMenus body morph functionality, so that every NPC looks a bit different. Works for female(I use CBBE 3BBB) and male(I use SAM Lite).

[anjenthedog]

Ok, sure, I'm familiar. I've added a few mods along the way that adjust that basic picture (bejin wives, an elven overhaul, etc), but that's my basis too. I even tweak some NPCs using racemenu.

 

so... you built one body. And where was that one body mesh output to?  the standard folder? If so, then idk. I'm as confused as you are.

 

[nothindoin]

Nah, I don't use any custom races or unique player. I WISH it were that simple lol. Someone on Nexus had the exact same issue on one of the 3BA bug report pages. But no one had posted a solution. I figured if anyone could solve this riddle it would be the fine folks at LL. After all, that's what they do...they like naked women in video games and they know things.

[anjenthedog]

idk... maybe try reinstalling CBBE-3BBB (from CBBE right on through), and rebuilding your female model. I had some issues early on where my CBBE-3BBB player was still acting as if it was CBBE (stock, no special attributes) and I had to do that to get things sorted out, a few times in fact.

 

And if that doesn't work, make sure your load order is up to snuff, just in case you're getting some texture overlay or something else that's interfering with proper display of CBBE-3BBB attributes. 

 

FWIW, here are my mod rules for CBBE and CBBE-3BBB that you can compare with your own if you like. (obviously not all will match your own load)

 

CBBE

Spoiler

 

CBBE-3BBB

Spoiler

 

[nothindoin]

So you run 3BA BEFORE CBBE? Says in the description it should be after in all instances. But I'm assuming you have no issues since you posted it lol.

[anjenthedog]

When it comes to CBBE-3BBB, my game works as expected. I will not "advise you" to use my rule(s), but I do use the settings you see, and all 3BBB content (female anyway) works. In addition, although it isn't always 100% in its recommendations, Vortex's internal LOOT recommended the setting I am using, and it hasn't caused any problem for me. fwiw.

 

having said that, it's still to be seen if it's something as simple as a load issue, but I wouldn't be surprised if you'll need to reinstall CBBE-3BBB and rebuild your prototype body. As I noted 3BBB "broke" for me several times. why idk. but it did.

[nothindoin]

I will try again but I have done this. I updated all mods involved and required to their most current versions after wiping all CBBE, physics and skeleton from Vortex. Started fresh with current versions and the same result as if I had done nothing at all lol.

[anjenthedog]

Weird. idk. It's above my pay grade...

[Tlam99]

the load order CBBE , CBBE 3BA doesn't matter.

But CBBE 3BA should not be overwritten.

[chimmy]

I am currently experiencing the same exact issue as OP. Has anyone discovered what's gone wrong to cause this?

[012009]

This is happening to me too.  The meshes are being built in the right folders, and the files are there.  I do not see any other body files around and I do not know where the game is even grabbing the body meshes.  But in-game, my nude body is cbbe despite 3bbb armors/meshes working.  It's my bodyslide preset too, just in cbbe.  Vagina appears on nude 3ba armors so it's definitely installed correctly.

This is game breaking as hell.  I have a lot of mods, but still haven't left the dungeon. I can afford to re-install, but it seems like that might be futile.

 

I hope someone finds a fix.  Will report back if I find anything.

[Pfiffy]

hm... 

If everything is ok in the data folders, it might be a mod that changes the paths for the default bodies of the other races and if it is hidden in a BSA you will not find it without opening them. You should take a look at the NPC replacers...

 

How long is your load order? 

[012009]

12 hours ago, Pfiffy said:

hm... 

If everything is ok in the data folders, it might be a mod that changes the paths for the default bodies of the other races and if it is hidden in a BSA you will not find it without opening them. You should take a look at the NPC replacers...

 

How long is your load order? 

 

 

 

It was modular clothing system - incompatible with 3bbb.  Don't know why I didn't believe the mod page but that would be what is messing with my order.  I uninstalled it and fixed the issue.

[chimmy]

On 9/23/2021 at 3:52 AM, 012009 said:

 

 

 

It was modular clothing system - incompatible with 3bbb.  Don't know why I didn't believe the mod page but that would be what is messing with my order.  I uninstalled it and fixed the issue.

  Oh no kidding? Well I tried and you're 100% right, the modular armor mod seemed to be the culprit. Thank you!

[012009]

On 9/26/2021 at 10:56 AM, chimmy said:

  Oh no kidding? Well I tried and you're 100% right, the modular armor mod seemed to be the culprit. Thank you!

You can probably just drop your built 3BA female body files into the new folder that MCS makes for the base nude body.  I just have a bad feeling about changing the path of my female base body.  Also I upgraded my males to himbo from SOS so I can't use it anyway.