DevilFireSmile Posted February 7, 2021 Posted February 7, 2021 Hello everyone. Fresh install, new problems. I'm using CBBE Fetish Enhanced (Smaller) customized shame, and every time I'm building outfits like "KS Skeleton" or "Ananta", despite what BodySlide shows in preview, game result is always like on the picture - tits are super huge or bra piece is WAY off. I've tried building desired pieces with "-Zeroed Sliders-" and with vanilla armors it helped to make them fit character's actual shape. Not with mods.. Please help.
venomr Posted February 10, 2021 Posted February 10, 2021 Since outfit proportions are tied to the weight of the person wearing it, is the person in the screenshot at least reflecting her proper weight? Also there could be a mod that enables proportion changes when conditions are met ( like cum inflation making the breasts larger if you have player succubus quest or hentai pregnancy enabled) that could mess with your desired shape.
DevilFireSmile Posted February 11, 2021 Author Posted February 11, 2021 On 2/10/2021 at 6:40 PM, venomr said: Since outfit proportions are tied to the weight of the person wearing it, is the person in the screenshot at least reflecting her proper weight? Also there could be a mod that enables proportion changes when conditions are met ( like cum inflation making the breasts larger if you have player succubus quest or hentai pregnancy enabled) that could mess with your desired shape. Though I've made her curvy but petite, on sliders I believe she's on heavier side. Weight slider confuses me. And I can tell for sure I had no such mods on the moment of making this screenshot. UPDATE: Fiddling with RaceMenu and increasing value in "Breast Small 1" and "2" balanced out almost every issue. Still, Skellington outfit just won't align properly with body shape of my character, not as extreme as on screenshot, but same problem persists. Also, on "Ananta" chestpiece HDT collision don't work for some reason, while on previous install it worked fine.. If someone has time or desire to give couple of advises, then please tell me: How do I properly manage all three - 1. Body Preset on Outfit; 2. Physics morphs on CBBE SMP (3BBB); 3. RaceMenu sliders? Seems like whenever I reinstall/tweak/build, something will always be out of line or don't work. Here my mods and load order: #Mod_Priority,#Mod_Status,#Mod_Name "0000","+","Unmanaged: pahe-tdf-patch" "0001","+","Unmanaged: FNIS" "0002","+","DLC: HearthFires" "0003","+","DLC: Dragonborn" "0004","+","DLC: Dawnguard" "0005","+","RaceMenu Special Edition" "0006","+","Caliente's Beautiful Bodies Enhancer -CBBE-" "0007","+","Demoniac_Texture" "0008","+","SkyUI_5_2_SE" "0009","+","The Joy of Perspective" "0010","+","Schlongs of Skyrim SE" "0011","+","Tribal Clothes" "0012","+","Tribal Clothe SMP Overwrite" "0013","+","HDT-SMP for SSE 1.5.97" "0014","+","hdtSSEFramework_1_5_97" "0015","+","hdtSSEHH_1_5_97" "0016","-","hdtSSEPhysics_1_5_97.7z" "0017","+","KS Hairdos - HDT SMP (Physics)" "0018","+","RaceMenu High Heels Fixes" "0019","+","360 Pack for the Female Player" "0020","+","FNIS Sexy Move SE 7.2" "0021","+","sexy idle Animation - Skyrim Special Edition" "0022","-","Firm HDT-SMP Settings - CBBE" "0023","-","CBBE SMP Config" "0024","+","CBBE Fetish Enhanced" "0025","+","CBBE SMP (3BBB)" "0026","+","Ananta" "0027","+","Highheels Dress outfits SE Physics" "0028","+","Skimpy Unique Ancient Shrouded Armor - CBBE SE (Physics)" "0029","+","Lich King and Queen Armor CBBE SE" "0030","+","SexLabFrameworkSE" "0031","+","SexLabArousedSSELoose" "0032","+","SexLab Separate Orgasm" "0033","+","FNIS Creature Pack SE 7.6" "0034","+","SL Defeat SSE" "0035","+","JContainers SE" "0036","+","Fuz Ro D'oh" "0037","+","Creature Framework" "0038","+","MoreNastyCritters_v" "0039","+","XP32 Maximum Skeleton Special Extended" "0040","+","SexLab More Creatures SE v" "0041","+","SexLab Aroused Creatures SE v" "0042","+","SLAL_SE" "0043","+","Sexlab BJ Sound FX replacerv" "0044","+","Billyy's SLAL Animations 2.9" "0045","+","HornyCreaturesofSkyrim_V" "0046","+","SLAL SE Creature Animations by Sailing Rebel" "0047","+","One With Nature SSE" "0048","+","ZaZ Animation Pack" "0049","+","SLAL Animations by Leito v1.6" "0050","+","MYSLALPACK v12.0" "0051","+","FNIS Spells SE 7.0" "0052","+","CBBE HDT Piercing Sets v" "0053","+","CBBE HDT Piercing Sets - Conversion to SSE 3BBB" "0054","+","UIExtensions" "0055","+","Idle Animations Wheel Menu SSE" "0056","+","Idle Animations WheelMenu SE V2.1.2(Update File)" "0057","+","DF T" "0058","+","KCs lingerie and skellington Bikini set (CBBE Curvy HDT Bodyslide)" "0059","+","sl_triggers" "0060","+","SL Triggers cum effects" "0061","+","SL_Advanced_Cum_Stages_v" "0062","+","GomaPeroPoses_SE" "0063","+","Better Vampires 8.5 SE" "0064","+","Sexual Vampire Feed SE Merged v" "0065","+","TDF Aggressive Prostitution" "0066","+","TDF music" "0067","+","Immersive_Daedra_Worship_v" "0068","+","NamirasGoatRebornRC" "0069","+","Sanguine Debauchery enhanced" "0070","+","SD Resources SE" "0071","+","CT77 Slave Outfit (Bodyslide)" "0072","+","SlaveTatsEventsBridge SE v" "0073","+","SexLab Dialogues" "0074","+","SexLabDragonsV" "0075","+","Devious Devices SE" "0076","+","1 pahe_lives_on" "0077","+","Serial Strip SE v" "0078","+","Serial Stripper SE v" "0079","+","Auto Hide Ammo" "0080","+","PAH Home Sweet Home" "0081","+","PAH And You Get a Slave!" "0082","+","4 My Home is Your Home" "0083","+","Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch" "0084","+","SOS_Leito_Schlongs_Addon_SE v1.0.1" "0085","+","Namiras Skyrim SE v" "0086","+","Namiras Decorations SE" "0087","+","PamaDeadlyFurniture_V" "0088","+","PamaDeadlyFurniture_SSE_ConversionFiles_V" "0089","+","Heels Sound SSE" "0090","+","SexLab Inflation Framework" "0091","+","Fill Her Up Baka Edition English SE" "0092","+","BakaFactory Animated Beasts Cocks" "0093","+","ArousedCreature RIA" "0094","+","Override Mod"
anjenthedog Posted February 11, 2021 Posted February 11, 2021 it's actually really simple (once you're familiar) Build the naked body using Bodyslide and Outfit studio (presuming you run with CBBE-3BBB, use one of the 3BBB bodies and a 3BBB-conforming preset. I use the ygnord 3BBB amazing for my player. ... point is to be consistent. If you use BHUNP, use a BHUNP conformal preset, if you use CBBE, a CBBE conformal preset, CBBE-3BBB >> CBBE-3BBB conformal, etc) Make sure that the "build morphs" checkbox is checked so racemenu sliders work later (checking it makes the build generate tri files needed by racemenu) Save the preset used to build the body as a custom version. If your player is named "Wubba Grrl", I'd name it "wubbagrrl_naked". You will need this later Ok we now have a base female body (or male I suppose, but I don't care about males, since I use nothing ore than vanilla assets for my male + SOS). Now we have to deal with clothes and armor With your preset and body still loaded, make another copy of the preset, this time, squish the breast a little bit (push them up a little, increase cleavage, and reduce nipple size (primarily how much they poke out). Save the modified version of your naked preset as your clothed version. Call this one "wubbagrrl_clothed" With this newest preset still selected, go ahead and fit (build) all your non flimsy armor the character will be wearing (make sure the build morphs checkbox is checked). Switch to your naked version preset Fit (build) all the armor/clothing that IS flimsy (make sure the build morphs checkbox is checked) Ok... Now we have a naked body, and clothing/armor fitted to that body's "clothed" variant Open the game. Now you can do your racemenu tweaking Point here is that you install a skeleton, you build a base mesh that enwraps it, and racemenu provides a defacto secondary mesh that enwraps the bodyslide mesh. this all presupposes that all your mods are installed correctly, AND regarding clothing, that ALL the clothing and armor uses the same body type "reference body" you are using for your character If you install a UNP armor and you equip a CBBE 3BBB player with said armor, you will receive a UNP body with armor on it . It like won't fit properly, your body will be "totally like wrong", and racemenu sliders will likely do zip. (sometimes, like using a first gen CBBE preset with CBBE-3BBB you might get a few to work, but if they don't all work, you're not conformal). Same goes for installing any armor that uses a different reference body than the type you are using for your player. Using BHIUP and installed a CBBE armor. Forget it. it's going to look odd. If you can deal with that fine. if you can't then get conformal and deal with whatever limits it imposed on the armor/clothing you can use.
DevilFireSmile Posted February 11, 2021 Author Posted February 11, 2021 2 hours ago, anjenthedog said: it's actually really simple (once you're familiar) Build the naked body using Bodyslide and Outfit studio (presuming you run with CBBE-3BBB, use one of the 3BBB bodies and a 3BBB-conforming preset. I use the ygnord 3BBB amazing for my player. ... point is to be consistent. If you use BHUNP, use a BHUNP conformal preset, if you use CBBE, a CBBE conformal preset, CBBE-3BBB >> CBBE-3BBB conformal, etc) Make sure that the "build morphs" checkbox is checked so racemenu sliders work later (checking it makes the build generate tri files needed by racemenu) Save the preset used to build the body as a custom version. If your player is named "Wubba Grrl", I'd name it "wubbagrrl_naked". You will need this later Ok we now have a base female body (or male I suppose, but I don't care about males, since I use nothing ore than vanilla assets for my male + SOS). Now we have to deal with clothes and armor With your preset and body still loaded, make another copy of the preset, this time, squish the breast a little bit (push them up a little, increase cleavage, and reduce nipple size (primarily how much they poke out). Save the modified version of your naked preset as your clothed version. Call this one "wubbagrrl_clothed" With this newest preset still selected, go ahead and fit (build) all your non flimsy armor the character will be wearing (make sure the build morphs checkbox is checked). Switch to your naked version preset Fit (build) all the armor/clothing that IS flimsy (make sure the build morphs checkbox is checked) Ok... Now we have a naked body, and clothing/armor fitted to that body's "clothed" variant Open the game. Now you can do your racemenu tweaking Point here is that you install a skeleton, you build a base mesh that enwraps it, and racemenu provides a defacto secondary mesh that enwraps the bodyslide mesh. this all presupposes that all your mods are installed correctly, AND regarding clothing, that ALL the clothing and armor uses the same body type "reference body" you are using for your character If you install a UNP armor and you equip a CBBE 3BBB player with said armor, you will receive a UNP body with armor on it . It like won't fit properly, your body will be "totally like wrong", and racemenu sliders will likely do zip. (sometimes, like using a first gen CBBE preset with CBBE-3BBB you might get a few to work, but if they don't all work, you're not conformal). Same goes for installing any armor that uses a different reference body than the type you are using for your player. Using BHIUP and installed a CBBE armor. Forget it. it's going to look odd. If you can deal with that fine. if you can't then get conformal and deal with whatever limits it imposed on the armor/clothing you can use. Man, thanks for detailed guide! When I'm installing fresh, I'll be sure to follow these steps, avoiding further confusion. But I have few questions still. For example, "conforming" preset - what is it? Let's say, I'm using CBBE Body, Fetish Enhanced Body preset, CBBE SMP (3BBB) morph set (after installing it finally got hands/breasts proper collision). But thing is, when I'm building, let's say, SunJeong's Ananta CBBE HDT set, all I have for options are CBBE Vanilla, Curvy etc presets, and CBBE Fetish Enhanced (Medium, Smaller, Outfit versions etc.). But I have nothing that tells "For 3BBB". So my chestpiece gets proper fit for preset in Bodyslide preview, but not the actual naked form of my character after installing 3bbb and work with RaceMenu sliders. That's where I should rebuild those with "build morphs" checked? From this point forward, is there a way to align everything? I'm pretty satisfied with my character's current shape, and just to align favorite armor pieces with it would grant me peace (P.s. On the picture is desired look of the character, but when equipping armors her breasts become slightly larger, collisions don't work, though jiggle is there. As if clothes still build for something other then current body. Using MO2)
DevilFireSmile Posted February 11, 2021 Author Posted February 11, 2021 Update: Tried to batch build Ananta set with "Build Morphs" checked. My results.. {With Outfit On/Off). As you can see, BodySlide preview shows as it should be. And, as usual, No hand/breast collision.
anjenthedog Posted February 11, 2021 Posted February 11, 2021 By *conformal, I mean that presets, like body models (CBBE, CBBE-3BBB, BHUNP, UUNP, etc, or for that matter, all that damned armor), are body-model specific. You can put on all the gloves and boots and nip jewelry and hats you like and you'll likely be none the wiser, but once you put on that body piece, the whole game changes. And even if it's *conformal, you're not "putting armor onto your body", you're literally swapping your body for another body which has clothes on it. (there are exceptions, kueng furs for instance, but they're few overall) For Sun Jeong's I believe she uses a standard CBBE reference body. You can, if you like, pick the CBBE physics body when building that armor if you want some boob jiggle. I believe that most of her body armor pieces support breast physics (CBPC, not SMP), although she does have some SMP capable items (A few skirts I think). But... you have to accept that it's not going to be a one-for-one with the CBBE-3BBB nekid bod you chose, unless it has been converted to use the same reference body and provides an appropriate body spec in bodysldie to make it work. BTW, I see you psoted while I was writing, (hence the edit) ... build morphs generates tri files used by racemenu. It does not generate physics behavior. Physics behavior is defined by the body model used to create a body or an armor/clothing. If the reference body lacks physics in a given area, it will not present, not matter what. Collison's *may be another matter. Not sure if collisions get assigned for gloved hands. But I suspect there may also be body type correlation, (ie using CBBE hands and expecting collisions *might not work... (to be perfectly clear, on that score, I don't know either way.. I am simply speculating on the collisions issue)
DevilFireSmile Posted February 11, 2021 Author Posted February 11, 2021 11 minutes ago, anjenthedog said: By *conformal, I mean that presets, like body models (CBBE, CBBE-3BBB, BHUNP, UUNP, etc, or for that matter, all that damned armor), are body-model specific. You can put on all the gloves and boots and nip jewelry and hats you like and you'll likely be none the wiser, but once you put on that body piece, the whole game changes. And even if it's *conformal, you're not "putting armor onto your body", you're literally swapping your body for another body which has clothes on it. (there are exceptions, kueng furs for instance, but they're few overall) For Sun Jeong's I believe she uses a standard CBBE reference body. You can, if you like, pick the CBBE physics body when building that armor if you want some boob jiggle. I believe that most of her body armor pieces support breast physics (CBPC, not SMP), although she does have some SMP capable items (A few skirts I think). But... you have to accept that it's not going to be a one-for-one with the CBBE-3BBB nekid bod you chose, unless it has been converted to use the same reference body and provides an appropriate body spec in bodysldie to make it work. This particular piece WAS working great with SMP on my previous install. But not this time. Jiggle works fine though. just ignores hands. Since you've mentioned it, how do I "reference" her current nude .nif to Ananta piece? If it's achievable in Outfit Studio, I'd like to know which file represents character's current nude appearance.
DevilFireSmile Posted February 11, 2021 Author Posted February 11, 2021 34 minutes ago, anjenthedog said: BTW, I see you psoted while I was writing, (hence the edit) ... build morphs generates tri files used by racemenu. It does not generate physics behavior. Physics behavior is defined by the body model used to create a body or an armor/clothing. If the reference body lacks physics in a given area, it will not present, not matter what. Collison's *may be another matter. Not sure if collisions get assigned for gloved hands. But I suspect there may also be body type correlation, (ie using CBBE hands and expecting collisions *might not work... (to be perfectly clear, on that score, I don't know either way.. I am simply speculating on the collisions issue) I suspected as much, though my main issue presented in that post isn't the lack of hand/breast collision effect, but humongous breast size on Outfit peace after "Build Morph" checked build. Do I have to enter RaceMenu and slide outfit back to normal size, or build with morph unchecked? Jiggle works either way, so partially physics are there. Gloves collide with naked body fine, so I believe the problem lies in Body piece. UPDATE: Rebuilding Ananta Outfit and Ananta Outfit Slutty with "Build Morphs" unchecked returned breasts size to normal (close to naked variant)
anjenthedog Posted February 11, 2021 Posted February 11, 2021 2 hours ago, DevilFireSmile said: Do I have to enter RaceMenu and slide outfit back to normal size, or build with morph unchecked? Hmm... see this is where I *think racemenu could become problematic wrt using a "non compliant" reference-body armor, because if the control feature is missing in the armor definition but still applies to the body, you might end up seeing different changes for body and armor when adjusting from racemenu. I'm not sure but I suspect there's some linkage there. Do you have to? I never have. Do I have a perfect fit on each and every piece of wearables? No. Most but not every single piece. Close for those that don't fit like a glove? Yup. Should you? (like maybe I'm doing something wrong) IDK. I suppose it's worth a try if everything so far hasn't solved your issue. You may even be able to find a CBBE-3BBB version of Sun Jeong's ninrim collection, or whichever armor you're using, if you hunt around, I *think I saw something somewhere along the way (although it might have just been a request) . If not here, check at Lover's lab. And for Sun, do a google search., I think she's moved her collections to her own website
DevilFireSmile Posted February 12, 2021 Author Posted February 12, 2021 1 hour ago, anjenthedog said: Hmm... see this is where I *think racemenu could become problematic wrt using a "non compliant" reference-body armor, because if the control feature is missing in the armor definition but still applies to the body, you might end up seeing different changes for body and armor when adjusting from racemenu. I'm not sure but I suspect there's some linkage there. Do you have to? I never have. Do I have a perfect fit on each and every piece of wearables? No. Most but not every single piece. Close for those that don't fit like a glove? Yup. Should you? (like maybe I'm doing something wrong) IDK. I suppose it's worth a try if everything so far hasn't solved your issue. You may even be able to find a CBBE-3BBB version of Sun Jeong's ninrim collection, or whichever armor you're using, if you hunt around, I *think I saw something somewhere along the way (although it might have just been a request) . If not here, check at Lover's lab. And for Sun, do a google search., I think she's moved her collections to her own website I've asked because I'm unaware of whether players even do "Racemenu" armor tweaking, if there's even a feature like this. So If I understand you correctly, in case body armor has racemenu support, it can be tweaked separately from nude body, and I'll try it. I hope frequent "showracemenu" visits won't screw up the campaign? Yep, just found such conversion on this site for Sun's collection. Still haven't installed it, because not sure if I should delete my separate ananta .esp or not. Would kinda suck losing those Ingots..
anjenthedog Posted February 12, 2021 Posted February 12, 2021 no I don't mean armor can be adjusted independently in racemenu, I mean that adjustments in racemenu may or may not result in expected changes to armor fit to the now racemenu modified body, because it may not respond to some racemenu setting that you adjusted. That is, the body may respond, but the armor doesn't.
anjenthedog Posted February 13, 2021 Posted February 13, 2021 On 2/11/2021 at 3:48 PM, DevilFireSmile said: Since you've mentioned it, how do I "reference" her current nude .nif to Ananta piece? If it's achievable in Outfit Studio, I'd like to know which file represents character's current nude appearance. I forgot to answer this Either use Outfit studio or nifSkope you'll have to hunt the folders under /Data/Meshes/Actors to find the specific mesh file(s) associated with the armor. One thing that helps for a given mod, (caveat: if the mod is from nexus) visit the mod's (the bikini armor you're trying to fix, in this case) modpage. Go to the files tab. Find the download link and click the text link "Preview File Contents" under the file download link If it's not, you can do much the same by downloading the file to your computer, then opening the archive file with 7Zip to examine the folder structure this will show you a cascading directory structure where (relatively) the files will be located once deposited into your Skyrim directories during installation, and it will show folder names specific to the mod that you can hunt for under the aforementioned /data/meshes... folder If you don't already have it, download NifSkope. it's a useful utility to have on hand if one is going to tweak and customize things they've downloaded https://github.com/niftools/nifskope/releases On the latter, I know basically nothing about Outfit Studio other than that it's an intrinsic part of Bodyslide (& Outfit Studio). I can open a file. that's about it. I've never really had cause to learn it.
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