He who controls KE controls LL

[Guest]

Hello, new here. I've been reading through some of the threads and it seems that there are concerns about Klub Exile, and bit of bad blood between some users and the operators regarding paid content and fairly opaque rules regarding usage rights.

 

The one concern that I think hasn't been raised, but is of great importance, is how two competing forums (this one and Exile) are in fact controlled by the same people.

 

This would not in and of itself be a problem, if one wasn't in direct competition with the other. I note that one comment from a joint-operator of both forums states in fairly open language that this one is dying because the other is better, and welcomes the fact.

 

In addition, critics of Klub Exile on this forum are shut down - and apparently banned - for asking questions, by those who run both. 

 

In the spirit of transparency, longevity, plurality and fairness, then, it would seem logical that the owners of Klub Exile relinquish their control of this forum.

 

Regardless of any intentions - open, perceived or alleged - this is not a healthy state to be in. 

 

I guess the first test will be whatever responses I receive to this thread - and indeed whether it is allowed to remain open.

 

[hdiddy]

Yes the folks who started the LL Club started KE.

No, LL is not dying, it simply cannot meet the needs of what we need in a club

No, people are not banned for asking questions, they are kicked for spreading misinformation, shitposting, and basically causing trouble

No, we are not relinquishing the club which we built

 

Once K17 launches the new MG 2.0 in January...anyone who has issues can follow him there.

 

[Guest]

Thanks Hdiddy. Okay, here are a couple of follow-up questions:

 

18 minutes ago, hdiddy said:

No, LL is not dying, it simply cannot meet the needs of what we need in a club

 

Is the "we" referring to you and your co-operators, or the needs of the community? What needs are they?

 

18 minutes ago, hdiddy said:

No, we are not relinquishing the club which we built

 

Why, if it fails to fulfil what is needed and is inferior to your other project, do you need to retain control of it?

 

[OysterMug]

What is "Klub Exile"? A temporary site? If so, what's the URL?

 

I've been wondering "Where has everyone gone?" lately.

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, OysterMug said:

What is "Klub Exile"? A temporary site? If so, what's the URL?

 

I've been wondering "Where has everyone gone?" lately.

No it doesn't appear to be a temporary forum. It's indexed on google.

[hdiddy]

1 minute ago, Bad_Penny said:

Thanks Hdiddy. Okay, here's a couple of follow up questions:

 

 

Is the "we" referring to you and your co-operators, or the needs of the community? What needs are they?

 

 

Not going to get into too much technical detail here but Clubs are limited.  From a user perspective downloads cannot be categorized, and the real estate we have to work with basically gets cluttered if you add too much.  In addition there is no moderation tools for the club outside of banning someone, we can't warn, restrict access, or do the typical moderation items in a club, as you can do in fully functioning community.

 

4 minutes ago, Bad_Penny said:

Why, if it fails to fulfil what is needed and is inferior to your other project, do you need to retain control of it?

 

 

LL in my opinion serves a different purpose. It is like a waiting room, for folks who may be trying to figure out where to go next.  It is a place people can easily find through a simple search and then head off in whatever direction they like.  Whether it be to Klub Exile, K17's new site, OM's wordpress, Sugar and Spice, etc.  Consider it neutral grounds.  A community is not a site, a community is more about the people.  So when we do kick folks and we have kicked 3 From this space, it is because they do 1 or more of the following

 

1. Spread misinformation, even when it has be factually proven

2. Shitpost and just stir up drama for drama sake

3. Create noise rather than real contributions

 

The thing is most people in a community would rather not deal with drama or people who create it.  It just sows bad vibes.  While yes kicking people might be harsh.  Not everyone here is in KE, and with that said they deserve a drama free community free of people that just want to poke prod at things rather than contribute to the space they are a member of.

[hdiddy]

7 minutes ago, OysterMug said:

What is "Klub Exile"? A temporary site? If so, what's the URL?

 

I've been wondering "Where has everyone gone?" lately.

LOL I envy you for your ability to ignore the noise.  We created a new site www.klubexile.com.  There is an explainer thread in General if you want more information.

[Guest]

 

21 minutes ago, hdiddy said:

Not everyone here is in KE, and with that said they deserve a drama free community free of people that just want to poke prod at things rather than contribute to the space they are a member of.

Yet there are concerns among the community about the KE site, as raised by several members here. From my reading not only is this forum now being used as an advertising platform for KE, the concerns about KE's format - ill advised or otherwise - are routinely shut down.

 

It does not seem wise, nor healthy, that the arbiters of what is and isn't acceptable are the very same people pushing the subject of criticism.

 

And lastly, if this forum's primary function is a forwarding site to others, why have I only heard of KE?

[hdiddy]

Advertising?  If you want to call 3 or so members constantly spreading false information about KE thus creating conversation, advertising so be it.  However, we are not constantly pushing KE here.  We had a post when when launched and another clarifying any questions people might have if they want to join.  The truth is KE only comes up when people like you continue to bring it up.  We are not forcing anyone to join KE it is simple another option if folks choose to go there.

 

I mean lets be real...you are the one that is bringing up KE...not me, I'm just responding to your questions.

 

What you feel is wise or unhealthy is a matter of opinion.  We all have them. That said we can simply agree to disagree and move on.  Doesn't need to be a debate. 

 

I never said the forums primary function is to forward to KE...if that was the case it would be setup much different.  K17 has a thread regarding the new MG site he is launching.  The reason that you have not heard anything is because the site has not launched.  I'm sure K17 will shoot out a thread or post when that happens.

 

The operator of Sugar and Spice has been on here mainly interfacing with OM about his site and getting it back updated. There is a post or comment somewhere in general about that too.

 

There are multiple Discord channels open for the community, which is also posted in a pinned thread.

 

I don't know the reason why you only hear about KE, maybe it is because people like Alejandro, EJAX, and Kebab made it a point of constantly starting post and threads about it. Do I need to add you to that list? Or once your questions are done..we can be done with it and move on to better things. You decide how much you want to keep KE rent free in your head. Because the only people talking about it are 3 people that seem to not have anything better to do.

[Guest]

13 minutes ago, hdiddy said:

Do I need to add you to that list?

Is that a threat? Are you going to ban me for asking questions? I couldn't care less about the arguments you have with other members. Neither do I care for the theories regarding KE's existence and its intended purpose. I am merely pointing out:

 

* This forum has, in the minds of its creators, been superseded KE.

 

* There are concerns about KE's operation and its ultimate purpose.

 

* The creators of KE retain control of LL, and censor and ban KE's critics.

 

That is not a healthy situation. If all of the heat about KE is unfounded, as you say, the best expression of that is to either retain control of LL but allow voices to remain heard, ie ignore them, or hand it over to someone else and let go. Threats, bans and shutdowns will simply fuel the cycle.

 

My opinion as a disinterested voice: neither side looks very good.

[hdiddy]

LOL

 

Read my comment again before you jump to conclusions.  You sound like Kebab, all paranoid.

 

Do I need to add you to the list of folks who are constantly creating post about KE?

 

Some of those folks not all (EJAX is still very much here) got banned not because they were asking questions, because they were spreading false information which gets to a point that it just becomes trollish behavior. Not contributing mods pictures or anything to push the community forward, just complaints and shit posting.  That type of thing will get you banned in any community doesn't matter the type.

 

It seems you have no more questions as your now stating declarative statements like you speak for any of us. Thats cool, you can believe what you want. Not going to argue with you about your opinions.

 

However, now that your questions are done can we stop talking about KE and move on? Or do you have any more questions?

 

 

[Guest]

1 minute ago, hdiddy said:

Now that your questions are done can we stop talking about KE and move on? Or do you have any more questions?

 

 

Yes I do, are you going to relinquish control of LL?

[hdiddy]

4 minutes ago, Bad_Penny said:

Yes I do, are you going to relinquish control of LL?

Asked and answered.

[Guest]

Thanks, that's as expected. Good luck with the firefighting.

[hdiddy]

Cool, so are we good? Any more questions?

[hdiddy]

Well, it seems you have exhausted your questions so I'm locking this thread down.  Feel free to PM me if there is something you forgot to ask or you need clarification on.  In the meantime try posting some pictures or up-loading some content as that might be a more productive use of your time here.  Cheers!!