Installing SMP & CBBE (Solved)

[Tsewe17]

Thank you guys!

 

I installed HDT SMP, then CBPB and then CBBE 3BBB and it seems to work! It's not working with armors, but at least it works with the base body.

 

*Edit: Unofrtunately another problem arised. I had a CTD at main menu (just when continue/new game etc options appeared) and I found the culprit after 2 h: the cbp.dll in SKSE plugins folder! Don't ask me why... It seems to be related to CPBP mod. Any ideas?

[anjenthedog]

The reason it doesn't work with most armors is that most armors are built using the CBBE (stock CBBE, not 3bbb) reference body.

 

So when you wear a CBBE armor, you're actually wearing a CBBE body and armor (or clothing, as the case may be)

 

Let me say that again, because sometimes its importance slips by. With very few exceptions (I think Furset but Keung is an exception), when you put on the upper of armor or clothing, you are not just putting on clothing/armor, you're literally swapping your naked body for whatever reference body was used to create the clothing armor. Same for shoes and feet, same for handwear. (again, exceptions apply... hosiery/nylons/etc for instance, often is created without a reference, and I suspect some hand coverings as well)  

 

the best you can hope for in that case is some breast bounce via CBPC, so when wearing it, if you want the breast bounce, I *think you might need to switch to CBPC mode. Open the config and navigate to the CBBE-3BBB MCM. in that MCM set a hotkey for switching between SMP and CBPC mode. When wearing the armor, (presuming its CBBE, AND that armor includes physics, AND you fitted the armor using  a CBBE physics body (not CBBE-3BBB)  AND it doens't bounce while in SMP mode, try switching to CBPC mode. I only suggest this because I'm not sure if physics enabled CBBE armors automatically use CBPC even when you've set yourself for SMP or not. 

 

edited for content.

[Tsewe17]

Thank you for the tip. However I can live withouth Breasts physics on armours, CBBE is just fine.

 

Anyway CBP cannot work without the CBP.DLL that I had to remove (otherwise my game crashes). It was working on nude bodies, and now they appear all weird haha I don't know what to do.

[anjenthedog]

RE: your CBPC problem. ...

 

for reference, I have the two following mods installed for CBPC, and only the two following mods.

• CBPC - Physics with Collisions for SSE and VR - CBPC - Fomod installer - MAIN FILE
• SINful CBP (MCM interface to control CBPC response in game)

As I recall from a previous post replied to by Just Dont in early August, you installed both CBPC (as above..correctly) and some second CBP mod (not sure where that one is from but don't really care, no offense)

 

Remove the second one you claimed is needed. I think it's breaking your game. 

 

PS> as you noted, cbp.dll is needed for CBPC response. The cbp.dll installed by the first mod I indicated I installed. 

 

PPS> my post earlier today wasn't a tip really, it was an explanation of why many clothing armors won't act as CBBE-3BBB, because they're not, since they're not draping over a 3bbb body, they're replacing it while it's worn

[Just Don't]

I just threw CBPC+HDT and CBBE 3BBB, then built the proper body/outfit sets and I was done (granted: I also have the requirements for all these mods). The only tricky part is getting the right settings in the 3BBB install (and for that is easy to go in game, test how things look and go back to re-install if something has to be changed).

 

32 minutes ago, Tsewe17 said:

Anyway CBP cannot work without the CBP.DLL that I had to remove (otherwise my game crashes). It was working on nude bodies, and now they appear all weird haha I don't know what to do.

If you can't use the cbp.dll that means that dll is incompatible with your SKSE/game version, check that (all the info should be at hand or already known by you, just go back and check which SKSE version you have installed and CBPC has several dll versions and you pick the proper one during installation).

 

And PSA: regular CBBE sets still work and get physics (if the outfits support physics obviously). You won't have 3BBB physics (the additional bone to animate tits), but everything else should work as long as you build CBBE outfits with physics (like the vanilla CBBE outfits from regular CBBE).

[Tsewe17]

Thank you Anjen for the clarification. I indeed only use HDT SMP, CBPC and CBBE 3BBB.

 

4 hours ago, Just Don't said:

If you can't use the cbp.dll that means that dll is incompatible with your SKSE/game version, check that (all the info should be at hand or already known by you, just go back and check which SKSE version you have installed and CBPC has several dll versions and you pick the proper one during installation).

Yeah that's what I'm thinking too, but I'm running latest SKSE (2.0.19) and latest CBBE 3BBB (1.52 from August 2020) so I don't see why they would be incompatible. What I don't know is if this CBP.DLL comes from CBPC or CBBE 3BBB, and which one is at fault.

From CBPC mod page there is this FAQ and the following statement about crashes:

"If the game is crashing as soon as it hits main menu and there is no Error 1114 in skse64/sksevr log, then make sure you don't have two of the same mod loading. Some people somehow forget that they had renamed cbp.dll to xcbp.dll and then when they install the new version of this mod, they have two of the same mod together. This would cause issues no matter which mod it is."

 

I have double checked in my SKSE plugin folder and I did not install CBPC twice, nor do I have 2 identical DLL files. This is werid because it describes exdactly my problem. I just don't know what to do now.

 

I'll try re-installing 3BBB and see what it does. Thank you!

[anjenthedog]

Then uninstall both and re install CBPC. You'll also have to uninstall Sinful if you have it installed. Do so first so you don't get a missing masters problem. 

 

And yeah, sometimes uninstalling and then reinstalling CBBE-3BBB is required. Not sure why but it can be persnickety. So do its uninstall after sinful.

 

 

 

 

[Just Don't]

27 minutes ago, Tsewe17 said:

Yeah that's what I'm thinking too, but I'm running latest SKSE (2.0.19) and latest CBBE 3BBB (1.52 from August 2020) so I don't see why they would be incompatible. What I don't know is if this CBP.DLL comes from CBPC or CBBE 3BBB, and which one is at fault.

 

It's from CBPC, that's why I said ""and CBPC has several dll versions and you pick the proper one during installation"". The CBPC installer has different dll files and you pick the version used in game:

(you should pick the 2.0.17 one as there is no dedicated 2.0.19 dll at the moment, but as most dll files, the 2.0.17 one is compatible with 2.0.19)

 

Reinstalling 3BBB is needed if you need alternative presets and settings for CBPC/HDT, so if you're trying different size/physic bounciness you can reinstall picking different settings each time and testing in game. I don't use Sinful so I don't know there, so follow anjen's advice as he seems to use it. 

[Tsewe17]

Yeah I just re-installed both (I'm not using Sinful, just CBPC and CBBE 3BBB) like you said. I made sure to select the plugin for SKSE 2.0.17 and it still does not work. Same crash... I've tried several solutions (from winter 2019) on the Nexus mod page, but to no avail.

 

The CBPC sticky poster EvilBBQ said:

I've had some problems getting this to work together with SMP; Skyrim crashes unless you rename the cbp.dll file to xcbp.dll as suggested here, but strangely, that also seemed to make all my SMP armour's physics objects to fall through the floor. No clue why renaming the CBP file would ever do this, but there it is.

 

Did not work either, but at least I know the problem is related to that. Oh gosh it's so complicated just to get sweet animated butt & boobies! Wry, God, wrryy?

[Just Don't]

1 hour ago, Tsewe17 said:

Did not work either, but at least I know the problem is related to that. Oh gosh it's so complicated just to get sweet animated butt & boobies! Wry, God, wrryy?

Never had that problem. Sounds like something very specific and nasty to track. I hope you can pinpoint the issue and fix it.

[Tsewe17]

I finally managed to resolve my CTD issue thanks to 3BBB author: it was a Windows Update issue. Something related to the max amount of DLL... could not have guesssed that.

 

However, if CBPC is now running,and 3BBB too, there is no boob jiggle at all (only works for butt).

[anjenthedog]

53 minutes ago, Tsewe17 said:

I finally managed to resolve my CTD issue thanks to 3BBB author: it was a Windows Update issue. Something related to the max amount of DLL... could not have guesssed that.

 

However, if CBPC is now running,and 3BBB too, there is no boob jiggle at all (only works for butt).

Did you build your naked body using a 3bbb compliant body preset and using the 3bbb amazing body?

 

If you didn't, then you won't get proper 3BBB SMP response. 

[Tsewe17]

If you're talking about the "Outfit/Body", yes I used CBBE 3BBB Body Amazing.

About the "Presets" (in BS), I used CBBE Vanilla (all the ones I have listed are CBBe something). Or what "preset" are you exactly refering to?

 

Anyway, now I realized Boob physics do not work only on Bijin females. So breast physics work on other characters.

I'm trying to figure out why they don't on Bijin females.

 

Thanks again for your help.

[anjenthedog]

I meant that some presets don't provide the necessary linkage to 3BBB (regardless of whether CBBE-3BBB or BHUNP)

 

I have never had luck using standard CBBE or UNP (or BHUNP) presets with the CBBE-3BBB amazing body. 

 

As for what you outlined above, it means that you need to check to load order and make sure that CBBE-3BBB (or conversely BHUNP) loads after CBPC

 

This shows how it looks in "manage rules" in vortex

 

 

FYI, "loads after" is the same thing as "overwrites" and in MO2 I believe that would translate to "Above" although hopefully someone will correct me if I have that last one wrong (At which point I'll edit this so future viewers will have the correct comparison) 

 

and this is how it looks for BHUNP (I have both. ps> I load CBBE-3BBB after BHUNP to ensure my player gets CBBE-3BBB. BHUNP is used  in my game exclusively for updating LE > SE converted UNP based follower bodies, like Hikari, YuiH Sha, and YuiH Elwyn)

 

[Tsewe17]

I can confirm my CBBE 3BBB is set to "after" CBPC in "Manage Rules" (Vortex).

 

Sowhere did you get your 3BBB Amazing Body friendly presets?

[anjenthedog]

From Nexus.com, although I believe some can be found here as well.