Missing Torsos on random Sims spawning in game

[DarkAudit]

Are you seeing any other weird glitches, like sims turning slightly purple? I've seen two males and a female in the current household do this when their top halves disappear. It's temporary and random, so I have no way of knowing what triggers it.

 

I tried updating to the latest and greatest AMD drivers. No-go because they apparently forgot the audio driver, so no sound from the HDMI port to the TV. I had to roll back to the current WHQL version to get sound back.

[Scorpio]

16 minutes ago, DarkAudit said:

Are you seeing any other weird glitches, like sims turning slightly purple? I've seen two males and a female in the current household do this when their top halves disappear. It's temporary and random, so I have no way of knowing what triggers it.

 

I tried updating to the latest and greatest AMD drivers. No-go because they apparently forgot the audio driver, so no sound from the HDMI port to the TV. I had to roll back to the current WHQL version to get sound back.

No other graphic anomalies so far.

 

I only updated my drivers to the 2020 WHQL version.

Wonder if some of the graphics settings are messing things up?

[DarkAudit]

So now after the patch...

 

Launch the game, go straight to main legacy save. All the females in the household are cut off at the waist. Males and non-family females are fine. Send someone off lot and back, and the females are fine again after returning from the loading screens.

 

My first guess here is all the custom sliders and presets great-grandma sim passed down. There were a LOT.

 

Plan for after work is to open a different save when I first launch the game, then open the main save after. We'll see what happens then.

[Scorpio]

I'm still on the last patch and haven't updated yet.

After my last post I thought things were fixed but after playing fine for several days it crept back in again.

Even moved my single male sim and lot back to Oasis Landing.

Seems to be less frequent but still happens sometimes.

 

Since I'm playing with all aging off I don't have any second or third generation sims in my game to inherit anything.

But I do have quite a few sliders in use since I've edited every female sim in the game.

Most are head/facial sliders with only one body/breast separation slider(CMAR's I think). 

 

[Elsalovescocaine]

If you have sliders old sliders, that could be a problem, usually sliders conflict every time with  slider which do the same. For example turbo mod include a custom head with tongue. It means add more bones as custom armature. If you add sliders that make tongue bigger, or eyes ears etc. you should be careful in to pick one slider per category.

 

i mean you can only have one slider for feets, one for hands etc. might torso is there but is being displace out of art index by a mod. Or slider 

[DarkAudit]

So the latest time I started a session, everything was fine. No half-a-lady sims.

 

But I cheated. First thing after work I'd run all my CAS CC through the S4S batch fixes. Then I moved some of the newly minted YAs in the household into NPCdom. So there aren't as many sims to contend with anymore.

[Scorpio]

17 hours ago, Elsalovescocaine said:

If you add sliders that make tongue bigger, or eyes ears etc. you should be careful in to pick one slider per category.

Some I have are slider 'sets' for the many different nose parts, lip parts, and eye parts.

But I only have one for eye size scaling, mouth size scaling, ear scaling, chin, jaw, etc.

 

This issue didn't start happening until shortly after the ECO living EP install.

But I think I had added all those sliders just a short time before this.

Downloaded around 5/12/20 but waited a week or two before adding to game.

Later went through them again and removed most of the presets I never would use.

 

Since it's not a common problem it has to be something I've added.

Those sliders were the most recent thing added, I think, so it's quite likely the best place to investigate further.

I've already gone through them again and removed a few more possible suspects.

More testing needed now as some of those buggy sims I've edited may have to be redone as I don't know if the adjustments I've made before will revert back after removing some of those sliders.

 

I got all of those sliders and presets in a bulk download of someones collection over time and I know they were just meant to be picked through and not just dump the whole mess into the mods folder but since I'm not real familiar with the new TS4 system mostly called presets instead of sliders.

So I may have picked too many not knowing any better, lol. 

 

So I assume some of the ones called presets actually could also be sliders too?

 

TS3 was so much easier as they were all just called sliders and were very easy to tell what did what.  

[Elsalovescocaine]

7 hours ago, Scorpio said:

Some I have are slider 'sets' for the many different nose parts, lip parts, and eye parts.

But I only have one for eye size scaling, mouth size scaling, ear scaling, chin, jaw, etc.

 

This issue didn't start happening until shortly after the ECO living EP install.

But I think I had added all those sliders just a short time before this.

Downloaded around 5/12/20 but waited a week or two before adding to game.

Later went through them again and removed most of the presets I never would use.

 

Since it's not a common problem it has to be something I've added.

Those sliders were the most recent thing added, I think, so it's quite likely the best place to investigate further.

I've already gone through them again and removed a few more possible suspects.

More testing needed now as some of those buggy sims I've edited may have to be redone as I don't know if the adjustments I've made before will revert back after removing some of those sliders.

 

I got all of those sliders and presets in a bulk download of someones collection over time and I know they were just meant to be picked through and not just dump the whole mess into the mods folder but since I'm not real familiar with the new TS4 system mostly called presets instead of sliders.

So I may have picked too many not knowing any better, lol. 

 

So I assume some of the ones called presets actually could also be sliders too?

 

TS3 was so much easier as they were all just called sliders and were very easy to tell what did what.  

Another person here post a similar problem. He said by remove mods folder, problem was fixed. Seems like a problem related to a body preset or body mod. 

[rb813]

Hmm, I do have some sliders (that I don't actually use, they were just thrown in with some custom characters I downloaded). Maybe I'll try taking those out of the Mods folder and see if anything changes.

[Scorpio]

13 minutes ago, rb813 said:

Hmm, I do have some sliders (that I don't actually use, they were just thrown in with some custom characters I downloaded). Maybe I'll try taking those out of the Mods folder and see if anything changes.

I never edited any male sims in my game, except for my active sim, and never used sliders or makeup on males.

But all my female sims have been edited quite a bit.

 

Since you have both males and females with the same issue and 2 of us only have problems with females something must be in common use.

I'm doubting it has anything to do with body mods but more to do with common mods for both M/F heads or face.

[rb813]

30 minutes ago, Scorpio said:

I never edited any male sims in my game, except for my active sim, and never used sliders or makeup on males.

I never actively edited any male sims, but there are plenty of random male townies that have CC hair (and possibly accessories or makeup) that works for both males and females. The guy in the picture I attached in the other thread is a rando. Do you do anything to prevent random male townies from having CC?

 

Another thing that's interesting is that when I had the save point where I took those screenshots from, I reloaded like a hundred times trying out different loadouts of mods (trying the same loadout multiple times because of how it would sometimes work once and then not work the next time). Sometimes, the gal in the floral skirt would have her top half missing, sometimes the other guy and girl would be glitched. But it was never just the guy or just the second girl alone; it was always both or neither. There was only like one time when all three of them were glitched out together, and absolutely no times when any other characters were glitched other than those three (at that particular save point; of course there have been plenty of characters that showed up with their top half missing at other points in the game). So it definitely seems like it's not just completely random or equally impactful on all characters. But it is strange that it only happens with females for you.

[Scorpio]

32 minutes ago, rb813 said:

Do you do anything to prevent random male townies from having CC?

You can use S4S to edit flags on all cc and disallow for random but it's a time eater if you have lots of cc.

I think there is another way to do it in CAS but can't remember how ATM.

 

I've removed more sliders but still have some left.

Loaded up the game and traveled back to Evergreen Harbor at a Maker Space lot, (my sim recently moved back to Oasis from Evergreen Harbor).

This was a good spot to get many sims to spawn and visit all at once and usually a few topless sims would also drop by.

Haven't seen any topless sims yet but my sim has only been there for a few sim hours, (just now).

But it can take a bit of time for this to start after clearing the game cache and travelling so I can't say it's fixed just yet. 

 

I've stopped all the EA random sims from being dropped into the game by using the NPCC mod.

Some of the settings have to be done properly to work though.

It makes the game use existing townies and homeless sims for service jobs, and other jobs I think.

Since I have game culling sims disabled with MCCC I don't need to worry about needing replacements all the time either.

 

Originally I thought the game was just having problems loading up certain random, or spawned, sims and they weren't completed.

I've seen it occur more with newer sims but don't think I've ever seen Bella Goth or Nancy Landgraab or older sims with missing tops.

Many of the newer sims I've used facial sliders on to make their mouth and/or eyes smaller.

Makeup used in game has been the same stuff used for a year + on older saves. 

 

[rb813]

22 minutes ago, Scorpio said:

You can use S4S to edit flags on all cc and disallow for random but it's a time eater if you have lots of cc.

I started doing that a little while ago, only to discover it doesn't even work anymore (though you could still just uncheck every outfit category from the item, and that should have the same result). Still, I do like having some CC show up on random townies, and I don't even know if that would solve this problem.

 

25 minutes ago, Scorpio said:

But it can take a bit of time for this to start after clearing the game cache and travelling so I can't say it's fixed just yet. 

Yeah, that's the problem with this kind of bug. It can present as fixed momentarily, and then come back later after you think it's all better. Makes it really hard to isolate variables and zero in on the root of the problem.

 

31 minutes ago, Scorpio said:

I've stopped all the EA random sims from being dropped into the game by using the NPCC mod.

That looks interesting. I've been thinking it might be nice to cut down on the random townies, but I'm not sure I want to cut them out completely. I kinda like being surprised sometimes (some of the randos actually end up being pretty hot). Does NPCC allow for having a defined limit of random townies and then start controlling them after that number is reached?

 

34 minutes ago, Scorpio said:

I've seen it occur more with newer sims but don't think I've ever seen Bella Goth or Nancy Landgraab or older sims with missing tops.

I haven't specifically kept track of this, but just going from memory, I feel like this almost always happens with randomly generated sims in my game (I have over a hundred custom characters in my game, and it seems to happen with them a lot less than the randoms). Maybe not 99% of the time, but definitely more than 50%, in my anecdotal observation. But yeah, I don't think I've ever seen it happen with the prefab characters that are there at the beginning in every game.

[Scorpio]

36 minutes ago, rb813 said:

Does NPCC allow for having a defined limit of random townies and then start controlling them after that number is reached?

Yes it does have some settings that aren't so strict but no specific number or cap.

Default settings might be OK for you to try out.

Before I'd just go into Manage Households and delete the random males and ugly females.

But I play with all aging off so I have plenty of sims to play with anyway.

 

I've also used MC Command Center to only spawn random females and only allow female babies, (only teens, YA, and adults).

(Stopped all the random families spawned with a strange looking single mom with two kids from different fathers).

(Some were even placed in homes before I stopped all that too) 

Had this set up for a long time though and might also be why I don't see any problems with random males, (there are none).

Just the old standard EA male townies in my game now.  

[DarkAudit]

Big question.

 

Are any of you seeing this running an nvidia GPU?

[rb813]

6 hours ago, DarkAudit said:

Big question.

 

Are any of you seeing this running an nvidia GPU?

Indeed I am. NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti.

[Scorpio]

Both of us are using Radeon graphics so I guess that rules out being a hardware problem.

 

Other thread you mentioned removing all mods stops the issue.

Did you play long enough without any mods to be sure it didn't creep back eventually? 

[Scorpio]

Also look in your TS4 folder for a Wicked**.log file.

Open it and scroll down a fair bit to find 'Duplicates' and make sure it says zero.

 

Long time ago I downloaded several custom pre-made sims and had to weed through all the cc that was included to remove duplicates of hair, clothing, makeup, etc.

[rb813]

41 minutes ago, Scorpio said:

Did you play long enough without any mods to be sure it didn't creep back eventually? 

No, but I was reloading a savegame where one or the other of the problem sims would show up with the glitch immediately upon reload most of the time, and I restarted it at least three times just to make sure. It wouldn't have mattered anyway; I could play for a month in-game (which wouldn't have been much fun without the mods), and even then, we still couldn't be absolutely certain that the bug had gone away permanently. So I'm not "sure" in an absolute sense, but I can say with a high level of certainty that the behavior of the bug was, at the very least, markedly decreased when all the CC was removed. And I should note that it still didn't show up again even when I did have WW and MCCC in the mods folder, so it appears that the problem is related to CC items, not those more fundamental script mods.

 

I haven't played the game yet since the other day when I removed all the sliders (or at least, all the CC items that have "slider" in the file name), so I haven't yet checked whether that makes a difference. I did check that log file, and it says zero.

[Scorpio]

19 minutes ago, rb813 said:

I haven't played the game yet since the other day when I removed all the sliders (or at least, all the CC items that have "slider" in the file name), so I haven't yet checked whether that makes a difference. I did check that log file, and it says zero.

My bug didn't show up until after the ECO patch and EP was installed but I had also added a bunch of new sliders around the same time.

Game ran fine without any topless sims for at least a week but during this week I was editing female sims in the game most of that time.

 

Also another strange thing was:

Shortly after moving in to my lot I saw Nancy Landgraab streaking around my neighborhood and later her husband, Don Lothario, and a few others.

WW nudity was disabled long before as I don't use it much anyway.

Maybe this was part of the NAP bug with ECO EP, (guess I've never seen sims jogging around nude before unless I had WW Nudity enabled).

 

Been sidetracked and haven't played much either since removing some of my sliders, at least not long enough to be certain.

Same here, I just can't play for long without my mods.  

[rb813]

1 minute ago, Scorpio said:

My bug didn't show up until after the ECO patch and EP was installed but I had also added a bunch of new sliders around the same time.

I'm pretty sure I was on game version 1.58 when I first noticed it with a couple random townies. At first, I thought it was just a couple sims wearing broken CC, but then I realized they had shown up at other times fully intact. I only updated to 1.63 fairly recently (I want to say a couple weeks ago), and I'm sure this bug was happening before then, because I distinctly remember hoping the update would solve it, but then being disappointed to see that it seemed to be happening more frequently if anything. So it's certainly possible that the ECO patch exacerbated the situation, but it does seem to have been around for me before that.

[Scorpio]

11 minutes ago, rb813 said:

but it does seem to have been around for me before that.

Makes me wonder if you had those sliders in use when it first started to show up since it doesn't seem to be caused, or fixed, by any certain game versions.

 

I assume you don't have the ECO Living EP but just the patches.

[rb813]

9 minutes ago, Scorpio said:

Makes me wonder if you had those sliders in use when it first started to show up since it doesn't seem to be caused, or fixed, by any certain game versions.

I'm pretty sure I know the upper limit of when the sliders were introduced, because they came bundled with some households of a Patreon creator, and April was when I canceled my membership. Unfortunately, I can't pinpoint exactly when the glitch started, but I feel like it was probably more recent than that (or maybe that's just wishful thinking because I want this to be the solution). The one thing I am pretty certain of is that it wasn't happening before 1.58, because I really expected the update to fix the problem (which means this was the first time I updated since the problem began), but that doesn't help much in establishing a lower limit, because I didn't update to 1.58 as soon as that came out either. I guess we'll just have to play some more and see if the issue comes back with the sliders removed.

 

15 minutes ago, Scorpio said:

I assume you don't have the ECO Living EP but just the patches.

Correct.

[Elsalovescocaine]

I bet best option for both is repair the game, it works normal with nissa, ww sliders body mods etc. missing top and bottoms is a damage mod without doubt. and works like a charm on AMD or Nvidia

[Scorpio]

Yes I've solved problems before with game repairs but not this time.

 

Well I've played for a whole sim week now and the problem hasn't reappeared yet.

Traveled to several locations that were more problematic but were fine this time.

 

Pretty sure I had some sliders or presets by different authors that were using the same resources.

Down to 20 sliders in use now.