Sexlab Creatures Animations Size issue

[Xiblis]

In sex scenes my game uses the wrong size for Spiders, so I wanted to ask for advice to correct that problem 

I use:

MoreNastyCritters_v12_06A
SexLab More Creatures SE
SexLab Aroused Creatures SE
Sexlab Beastess SE
Creature Framework SE
Creature Schlongs SE



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It looks like this:

[coolfreaky]

i believe that the issue is more in MCM sexlab menu : just set those two prefs

 

sexlab mcm

[MadMansGun]

but is it all spider animations or just that one? sexlab's stock animations are not setup correctly.

billyys should be working fine.

[anjenthedog]

That doesn't look like "the wrong size" it looks like there's a positioning error (spider shifted back from its proper location and possibly offset to the side and/or up and down. Which is solvable by using the positioning controls. Afaik you can save those adjustments too. See the MCM in game: Sexlab > Animation Editor

 

 

[Xiblis]

On 5/6/2020 at 6:32 AM, coolfreaky said:

i believe that the issue is more in MCM sexlab menu : just set those two prefs

 

sexlab mcm

I already had these settings, but it didnt work :) animation editor also doesnt I think

 

[Xiblis]

On 5/6/2020 at 7:20 AM, MadMansGun said:

but is it all spider animations or just that one? sexlab's stock animations are not setup correctly.

billyys should be working fine.

all spider animations

[Xiblis]

On 5/6/2020 at 7:24 AM, anjenthedog said:

That doesn't look like "the wrong size" it looks like there's a positioning error (spider shifted back from its proper location and possibly offset to the side and/or up and down. Which is solvable by using the positioning controls. Afaik you can save those adjustments too. See the MCM in game: Sexlab > Animation Editor

 

 

I have fooled around with the animationeditior abit but couldnt see any difference

[MadMansGun]

the only other thing i can think of is a skeleton problem, make sure MNC is not getting overridden.

[coolfreaky]

you can try " animation loader " and register the animations from there  : https://www.loverslab.com/files/file/5328-sexlab-animation-loader-sse/

 

[anjenthedog]

4 hours ago, Xiblis said:

I have fooled around with the animationeditior abit but couldnt see any difference

As I said, this is a positioning issue. The spider body is almost a foot and a half "from the target". What you're seeing is a positioning issue. Hit the realign key (default is "[") If that doesn't work, then you'll need to manually reposition either the spider or your player to resolve the disparity in spacing.

 

Check SL's hotkeys section to assign hotkeys for repositioning or use the defaults.

[MadMansGun]

but it's too extreme to be a normal positioning problem.

 

.....also they have a lot of mods loading after MNC, so there's a higher chance that one of them could be editing the spider races and/or messing with there skeletons.

[anjenthedog]

No it's not. The animation(s) was(ere) originally made for a giant spider. Not all spiders are giant spiders. Not to mention, animations will often start "wrong" due to this or that (don't ask me what this or that are, I have some suspicions in certain cases, but I really have no idea...and fwiw, my suspcions have to do with the distance between actor A and Actor B ***at triggering of the animation cycle, along with actor rescaling (which further muddies the offset issue) and so (being "wrong"), the animation starts with actors "with offset" to each other, and sometimes those offsets are large, even with animations including only a pair of human participant actors. The offsets are most often either height (Z), or axial distance (X... along the path defined by the body length) , sometimes there is a gross side-to-side offset (Y), but usually that one is minor, within a couple clicks. 

 

I figure it's some calculation that goes wonky or is performed in the wrong order and so results in position errors, since there *is*  a certain repeatability to position issues with things like spiders, chauruses, giants, etc. where the natural size difference between actors is large.

 

*** this is what I've seen in my own game

 

In fact, the only time I do not have to do at least some minor repositioning is when the actors are identical in height and body scale (same back length, leg length, neck length, head size), which is a tall order, since there's always some little difference, or the NPCs, followers and player (ad even humanoid monsters) would look effectively identical, since they'd have identical proportions (and even height). 

[MadMansGun]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vd6hVYkkq88

that's only 1/3 true for the 3 old crappy sexlab spider animations, and i fixed those in the "ExperimentalSexLabCreaturesV1-62ToSLALConversion.7z"

Spoiler

 

Animation(
    id="Spider_Double",
    name="(Large Spider) Double",
    tags="Gone,Bestiality,Dirty,Gangbang,Spider,Vaginal,Oral",
    sound="Squishing",
    actor1=Female(add_cum=VaginalOralAnal, open_mouth=True),
    actor2=CreatureMale(race="LargeSpiders", forward=80, rotate=180),
    actor3=CreatureMale(race="LargeSpiders", forward=37, rotate=180),
)

Animation(
    id="Spider_Penetration",
    name="(Large Spider) Penetration",
    tags="Gone,Bestiality,Dirty,Rough,Spider,Big Spider,Vaginal",
    sound="Squishing",
    actor1=Female(add_cum=VaginalAnal),
    actor2=CreatureMale(race="LargeSpiders", forward=35, rotate=180),
)

Animation(
    id="BigSpider_Penetration",
    name="(Giant Spider) Penetration",
    tags="Gone,Bestiality,Dirty,Rough,Spider,Big Spider,Vaginal",
    sound="Squishing",
    actor1=Female(add_cum=VaginalAnal),
    actor2=CreatureMale(race="GiantSpiders", forward=35, rotate=180),
)

 

 

billyy's & Nibbles animations use MNC's registration script where all 3 race sizes are registered correctly, and MNC's files are setup to keep the spiders at the right size. THEY DON'T RESCALE UNLESS ANOTHER MOD FUCKS WITH THEM.

[coolfreaky]

i continu to think it is something with sexlab MCM  .    ( had the same issu ! could not set in sexlab MCM , and spider was in the exacte position as in the picture . )   and animation loader fixed the issue quit sure  : register profil , register animation several times , rebuild animation registary , reapply json .

[MadMansGun]

 

Quote

8. you may need to reload the animations, go to the Animation Loader's MCM and then:
8.1. click on the "Disable All" button.
8.2. click on "Rebuild Animation Registry", then Wait for the message to pop up*.
8.3. click on "Reload JSON".
8.4. click on "Enable All".
8.5. click on "Count Animations" and make sure nothing is over 650, turn off some animations if they are.
8.6. click on "Register Animations", then Wait for the message to pop up*.
*if you like you can press "~" on your keyboard to open the console so you can watch it Register everything, just make sure you close it before you try to click on anything.