KillJoyTROV Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 Ok guys, I've been modding Fallout NV for a while on Win 7, but recently upgraded to Win 10. Built a new rig, got the new Windows, the whole shebang. Fallout NV looks great and runs well, EXCEPT: after 5 minutes of playing, the game tends to freeze. I have to ctl+alt+del and then force close from task manager and the TM always says its not responding. I've looked up the fixes, and nothing seems to help. I do have a lot of LL mods installed (I love Breeder). Does anyone have any idea what I could do to solve this? I do have the 4gb patch and all too. Link to comment
dborg2 Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 5 hours ago, Killjoycmm1 said: Ok guys, I've been modding Fallout NV for a while on Win 7, but recently upgraded to Win 10. Built a new rig, got the new Windows, the whole shebang. Fallout NV looks great and runs well, EXCEPT: after 5 minutes of playing, the game tends to freeze. I have to ctl+alt+del and then force close from task manager and the TM always says its not responding. I've looked up the fixes, and nothing seems to help. I do have a lot of LL mods installed (I love Breeder). Does anyone have any idea what I could do to solve this? I do have the 4gb patch and all too. Do you have NVAC installed? Do you have more as 139 esp's/esm's installed? Are you running with NVSR? (If so, remove New Vegas Stutter Remover, or configure it, because out of the box it has a conflict with Windows 10) Link to comment
KillJoyTROV Posted February 1, 2020 Author Share Posted February 1, 2020 12 hours ago, dborg2 said: Do you have NVAC installed? Do you have more as 139 esp's/esm's installed? Are you running with NVSR? (If so, remove New Vegas Stutter Remover, or configure it, because out of the box it has a conflict with Windows 10) Ok, I removed NVSR and I do have NVAC installed. I have 77 esps, so I'm far under the max. The game stops responding at weird times: sometimes during combat, sometimes while I'm just walking, sometimes when a LL mod activates. Sometimes I fast travel and only the bare textures for the ground load in...and then boom, it stops responding. I can't figure this out. Link to comment
dborg2 Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 do you have NVSE Extended (NX)? It almost sounds like you are missing NVSE addons. Also you might need JIP LN NVSE Plugin (some mods need it) Link to comment
KillJoyTROV Posted February 2, 2020 Author Share Posted February 2, 2020 11 hours ago, dborg2 said: do you have NVSE Extended (NX)? It almost sounds like you are missing NVSE addons. Also you might need JIP LN NVSE Plugin (some mods need it) Yup. Have both of those. Link to comment
dborg2 Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 19 hours ago, Killjoycmm1 said: Yup. Have both of those. It seems from your description that it loads in too many textures. (overload). But I don't know what would cause it. Do you have a load order (and if possible an install order)? Link to comment
KillJoyTROV Posted February 3, 2020 Author Share Posted February 3, 2020 6 hours ago, dborg2 said: It seems from your description that it loads in too many textures. (overload). But I don't know what would cause it. Do you have a load order (and if possible an install order)? 0 0 FalloutNV.esm 1 1 DeadMoney.esm 2 2 HonestHearts.esm 3 3 OldWorldBlues.esm 4 4 LonesomeRoad.esm 5 5 GunRunnersArsenal.esm 6 6 ClassicPack.esm 7 7 MercenaryPack.esm 8 8 TribalPack.esm 9 9 CaravanPack.esm 10 a oHUD.esm 11 b IWR.esm 12 c Sexout.esm 13 d SexoutSlavery.esm 14 e SexoutCommonResources.esm 15 f SexoutSoliciting.esm 16 10 SexoutTryout.esm 17 11 Fertile Breeder.esp 18 12 FBCaptured.esp 19 13 SexoutWorkingGirl.esp 20 14 FBFarm.esp 21 15 Project Nevada - Core.esm 22 16 Project Nevada - Equipment.esm Project Nevada - Rebalance.esp 23 17 Project Nevada - Cyberware.esp 24 18 NevadaSkies.esm 25 19 Lings.esm 26 1a Shojo Race Vegas.esm 27 1b MikotoBeauty.esm 28 1c CASM.esp 29 1d The Mod Configuration Menu.esp 30 1e Legion - Balanced Lists.esp 31 1f Better Game Performance.esp 32 20 SexoutBreeder.esp 33 21 MPO scriptaddon AllDLC.esp 34 22 PrnOut.esp 35 23 IWR - Rebuilt.esp 36 24 FNV Realistic Wasteland Lighting - All DLC.esp 37 25 Mojave Nights.esp 38 26 PittGalStatsFix.esp 39 27 populatedcasino.esp 40 28 Project Nevada - Dead Money.esp 41 29 Project Nevada - Honest Hearts.esp 42 2a Project Nevada - Old World Blues (No Cyberware).esp 43 2b Project Nevada - Lonesome Road.esp 44 2c Project Nevada - Gun Runners' Arsenal.esp 45 2d RebreatherRestoration.esp 46 2e christinecos.esp 47 2f LingsPrettyThings.esp 48 30 MyAngelicVeronica.esp 49 31 SunnyCompanion.esp 50 32 SexoutSoliciting-DLC.esp 51 33 NukaCola-Ojo.esp 52 34 SexoutBreederAddon.esp 53 35 MikotoBeauty.esp 54 36 Bouncing Natural Breasts.esp 55 37 tkEyelashesFNV.esp 56 38 tkEyelashesFNV_FemalesOnly.esp 57 39 zzjayHairsFNV.esp 58 3a NOAUTOAIM.esp 59 3b Advanced Recon Range Finder.esp 60 3c SexoutMissMoo.esp 61 3d Mojave Pimp.esp 62 3e SexoutAnimManagement.esp 63 3f SexoutPosNew.esp 64 40 pipboy2500_edisleado.esp 65 41 SmallerTalk.esp 66 42 SexoutSexAssault.esp 67 43 SexoutSpunk.esp 68 44 SexoutLust - oHUD.esp 69 45 1CazyTestEsp.esp NevadaSkies - TTW Edition.esp 70 46 NevadaSkies - Ultimate DLC Edition.esp NevadaSkies - Basic Edition.esp Here you go! Link to comment
dborg2 Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 17 hours ago, Killjoycmm1 said: 0 0 FalloutNV.esm 1 1 DeadMoney.esm 2 2 HonestHearts.esm 3 3 OldWorldBlues.esm 4 4 LonesomeRoad.esm 5 5 GunRunnersArsenal.esm 6 6 ClassicPack.esm 7 7 MercenaryPack.esm 8 8 TribalPack.esm 9 9 CaravanPack.esm 10 a oHUD.esm 11 b IWR.esm 12 c Sexout.esm 13 d SexoutSlavery.esm 14 e SexoutCommonResources.esm 15 f SexoutSoliciting.esm 16 10 SexoutTryout.esm 17 11 Fertile Breeder.esp 18 12 FBCaptured.esp 19 13 SexoutWorkingGirl.esp 20 14 FBFarm.esp 21 15 Project Nevada - Core.esm 22 16 Project Nevada - Equipment.esm Project Nevada - Rebalance.esp 23 17 Project Nevada - Cyberware.esp 24 18 NevadaSkies.esm 25 19 Lings.esm 26 1a Shojo Race Vegas.esm 27 1b MikotoBeauty.esm 28 1c CASM.esp 29 1d The Mod Configuration Menu.esp 30 1e Legion - Balanced Lists.esp 31 1f Better Game Performance.esp 32 20 SexoutBreeder.esp 33 21 MPO scriptaddon AllDLC.esp 34 22 PrnOut.esp 35 23 IWR - Rebuilt.esp 36 24 FNV Realistic Wasteland Lighting - All DLC.esp 37 25 Mojave Nights.esp 38 26 PittGalStatsFix.esp 39 27 populatedcasino.esp 40 28 Project Nevada - Dead Money.esp 41 29 Project Nevada - Honest Hearts.esp 42 2a Project Nevada - Old World Blues (No Cyberware).esp 43 2b Project Nevada - Lonesome Road.esp 44 2c Project Nevada - Gun Runners' Arsenal.esp 45 2d RebreatherRestoration.esp 46 2e christinecos.esp 47 2f LingsPrettyThings.esp 48 30 MyAngelicVeronica.esp 49 31 SunnyCompanion.esp 50 32 SexoutSoliciting-DLC.esp 51 33 NukaCola-Ojo.esp 52 34 SexoutBreederAddon.esp 53 35 MikotoBeauty.esp 54 36 Bouncing Natural Breasts.esp 55 37 tkEyelashesFNV.esp 56 38 tkEyelashesFNV_FemalesOnly.esp 57 39 zzjayHairsFNV.esp 58 3a NOAUTOAIM.esp 59 3b Advanced Recon Range Finder.esp 60 3c SexoutMissMoo.esp 61 3d Mojave Pimp.esp 62 3e SexoutAnimManagement.esp 63 3f SexoutPosNew.esp 64 40 pipboy2500_edisleado.esp 65 41 SmallerTalk.esp 66 42 SexoutSexAssault.esp 67 43 SexoutSpunk.esp 68 44 SexoutLust - oHUD.esp 69 45 1CazyTestEsp.esp NevadaSkies - TTW Edition.esp 70 46 NevadaSkies - Ultimate DLC Edition.esp NevadaSkies - Basic Edition.esp Here you go! hmmm. Apart from 1 or 2 minor things, I don't really see what is really hurting your performance. You have some (texture/game) overhauls. Do you have the compatibility patches too? Could you try disabling nevadaSkies and see if that makes it better? And if still an issue, try disabling FNV Realistic Wasteland Lighting Minor things: Spoiler MPO ScriptAddon Tryout can be used for a fix to one of the tryout outfits that I already converted I don't think this one is still needed: SexoutBreederAddon.esp Is't there an 'All DLC' option for Project nevada? Link to comment
KillJoyTROV Posted February 5, 2020 Author Share Posted February 5, 2020 On 2/4/2020 at 8:32 AM, dborg2 said: hmmm. Apart from 1 or 2 minor things, I don't really see what is really hurting your performance. You have some (texture/game) overhauls. Do you have the compatibility patches too? Could you try disabling nevadaSkies and see if that makes it better? And if still an issue, try disabling FNV Realistic Wasteland Lighting Minor things: Hide contents MPO ScriptAddon Tryout can be used for a fix to one of the tryout outfits that I already converted I don't think this one is still needed: SexoutBreederAddon.esp Is't there an 'All DLC' option for Project nevada? No, Project Nevada doesn't have an all DLC patch, though I wish it did. So I disabled Sexoutbreederaddon.esp and Nevada skies and it worked for much longer than before. Still ended up freezing up. Gonna try disabling the lighting mod next. I'll update when I've checked it out thoroughly. Ok, so while it is a bit better, it still is crashing with the 'not responding' thing. Ugh. Link to comment
KillJoyTROV Posted March 10, 2020 Author Share Posted March 10, 2020 Any other suggestions? Link to comment
Swanky Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 There's two more things I can think of. FNV Realistic Wasteland Lighting clashes badly with Nevada Skies as both are overhauling the weather system. Best to only install one, and having the other one deleted. Also, Realistic Wasteland Lighting needs to be at the very bottom of the load order. The other thing is hardware related. Seems moot to ask but Win 10 is using more ram than win7. So the crashes might occur because of not enough ram being available in the first place (had that happen to me before, and recently in Xcom2 as well). Link to comment
dongding Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 Maybe try this https://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/66537 in combination with something someone here wrote months ago, since I suspect that this might be a W10 problem: Quote Key #1: Using either NVSR or New Vegas Tick Fix. If NVSR, the one thing that absolutely matters is this: bHookCriticalSections = 0. At 0, no crashes. At 1, guaranteed crash -- the more often you change cells, the sooner it'll happen. Now, having this at 0 will cause the game to stutter pretty badly whenever anything at all loads. So it's particularly noticeable when traveling, as new grids in the distance constantly load in. Oh well! It doesn't stutter at all when nothing's loading. That all said, I did at least sort out three variations. 1: bReplaceHeap = 0. Bad stutters. This is identical to the behavior exhibited by New Vegas Tick Fix so I assume said mod achieves basically the same thing as these settings. 2: bReplaceHeap = 1. Stutters are lessened. However! Menus develop a lag problem that seems to be dictated by the complexity of the given menu. Long lists, like the loading screen with several hundred saves, or "Notes" in the Pip-Boy with hundreds of entries, take about a full second of waiting to resolve, even if you simply move to a different menu and back; it pauses every time. Pretty awful. 3: bReplaceHeap = 1, and iHeapSize = 512 (rather than 450). Stutters are lessened, and the menu problem does not manifest. This is the best result I've gotten under Windows 10. Key #2: Something else may still cause crashes. It's one or several of your mods. (Or you may luck out and not have this particular issue; plenty of folks have.) Much of the confusion arises from the fact that bad NVSR settings or "bad" mods (or both, obviously) can cause pretty much the same crashing phenomenon, thoroughly obfuscating the issue and preventing a lot of folks from arriving at any kind of solution. Now, what is a "bad mod"? I don't know. What dictates that a given mod will cause NV in Win10 to crash like this but not in Win7? I don't know! But the good news is that once you get NVSR's settings sorted out per above, theoretically, if you then begin systematically removing mods from your load order until the crashes no longer occur, then you can whittle the problem down. I actually don't know for certain what my problem was, though signs point to possibly one of my LOD mods. What I do know is that I played New Vegas for about 400 hours on Windows 10... in 10-minute increments... and now I get to play the rest of this playthrough in relative peace. The stuttering is annoying AF, don't get me wrong. I'd love for there to be a more comprehensive solution that takes into account Windows 10's failures (supposedly introduced by the so-called "Creator's Update"). But NVSR was last updated in 2014, and nobody with that kind of expertise is stepping forward. Link to comment
KillJoyTROV Posted March 11, 2020 Author Share Posted March 11, 2020 16 hours ago, dongding said: Maybe try this https://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/66537 in combination with something someone here wrote months ago, since I suspect that this might be a W10 problem: What file do I alter for NVSR? Where is it? Link to comment
dongding Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 6 hours ago, Killjoycmm1 said: What file do I alter for NVSR? Where is it? Fallout New Vegas\Data\NVSE\Plugins\sr_New_Vegas_Stutter_Remover.ini but NVSR is not working correctly with Win10, and that was the reason why Tick fix was created in the first place afaik. Link to comment
KillJoyTROV Posted March 12, 2020 Author Share Posted March 12, 2020 Ok. I'll tweak it. I disabled both and have played for an hour or more in an interior cell with no crash. I'll try the Tick Fix and see if the exterior world is more stable. Link to comment
KillJoyTROV Posted March 13, 2020 Author Share Posted March 13, 2020 Ok, so I can confirm this much: even with NVTF, it crashes. It freezes and goes non-responsive in the world space only. Interior cells have no issue with this. I can play for hours in a cave or building, but outside...10 mins tops. Link to comment
dongding Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 Do you use a ENB? if yes, try to change some of your settings in the enblocal.ini to this Quote [PERFORMANCE] SpeedHack=true [MEMORY] ExpandSystemMemoryX64=false ReduceSystemMemoryUsage=true DisableDriverMemoryManager=false DisablePreloadToVRAM=false EnableUnsafeMemoryHacks=true ReservedMemorySizeMb=64 VideoMemorySizeMb=4064 EnableCompression=true AutodetectVideoMemorySize=false [WINDOW] ForceBorderless=false ForceBorderlessFullscreen=false [LIMITER] WaitBusyRenderer=false EnableFPSLimit=false FPSLimit=60.0 VideoMemorySizeMB should of course be your GPU VRAM. Link to comment
KillJoyTROV Posted March 13, 2020 Author Share Posted March 13, 2020 I think that worked! Thanks! Link to comment
dongding Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 11 hours ago, Killjoycmm1 said: I think that worked! Thanks! Well, that's glad to hear. But don't epxect ctd's to magically disappear with this now. Link to comment
KillJoyTROV Posted March 14, 2020 Author Share Posted March 14, 2020 8 hours ago, dongding said: Well, that's glad to hear. But don't epxect ctd's to magically disappear with this now. No worries of false hopes, but if I can go an hour between them instead of 2 - 10 minutes then I'm happy with the improvement! Link to comment
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