ruddycray Posted February 8, 2022 Author Posted February 8, 2022 21 hours ago, xtrange988 said: AE Skyrim Yes, Yes and No. The sex prompt didn't appeared, when I activated the raised dunmer it only opened her inventory, as if she was still a corpse. I tried multiple times. Entered and exited the room but nothing changed, it just opened her inventory. I have no necromancy perks active that could interfere at the moment but could be anything. I have Vokriinator installed and that might be causing it, but it does't happen when I use the vanilla spell to raise a corpse. TAPQVanikseth 800 Sex with Vanikseth and got his soul. TAPQVanikseth 900 Interacting with the dunmer woman only opens her inventory. Completing the stage doesn't let me speak with her either. After completing stage 1000 with console commands everything worked fine again and I could find Vanikseth at the inn. Maybe can you modify it to advance automatically or better yet use the MCM menu to debug the quest and trigger the scene? Or maybe ignore it, probably I'm the only one with the issue. Can you clarify something for me? Are you saying the stage is already 900 when you attempt to interact with the Dunmer woman? The interaction at that point of the quest requires the stage to be 800, so if the stage has somehow become 900 before that, it would be why nothing is happening with her. The "Have sex" prompt also requires the stage to be 800. You're not seeing a "sex scene failed to start" message or anything, are you?
xtrange988 Posted February 8, 2022 Posted February 8, 2022 3 hours ago, ruddycray said: Can you clarify something for me? Are you saying the stage is already 900 when you attempt to interact with the Dunmer woman? The interaction at that point of the quest requires the stage to be 800, so if the stage has somehow become 900 before that, it would be why nothing is happening with her. The "Have sex" prompt also requires the stage to be 800. You're not seeing a "sex scene failed to start" message or anything, are you? I should have been more clear, sorry :C. The quest stays at 800. So I had to enter setstage 900 (sex with the dunmer woman completed notification) and then setstage 1000 to continue. Plugin List (It's huge :S) I think it may be the Vokriinator abomination, I don't think anything else modifies the minions (Nether Follower Framework management of minions is disabled in the MCM). 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xtrange988 Posted February 8, 2022 Posted February 8, 2022 (edited) Some ideas and suggestions/thoughts. 8 hours ago, ruddycray said: The idea of adding dancing is something I would like to do if I could, but I haven't had much luck with finding freely usable assets that feel like they belong. I don't have much interest in adding dances that look like something you'd see in a modern nightclub. This one has the best animations that I know. The author already did a TDF Aggressive Prostitution addon Here that replaces some of the original TDF animations. When I had the mod installed I always disabled the ones that come with TDF, they don't fit at all in the game. So hopefully he gives permission for and addon/patch and it can be implemented for like getting the customers on the mood. - I love that the player can't simply sleep with everyone and that there are some location and faction restrictions. No idea how you managed to detect if a npc is married but... It could be possible to replace the MCM percentage chance to a speech check? ("Nobody has to know/ What she doesn't know can't hurt her") That way the PC can level up a bit her skills to get equipment more easily before venturing outside the safety of the city. And perhaps some are easier to convince like Nazeem, Kjeld, Torbjorn Shatter-Shield, Bolli and Hod(?). And some impossible to seduce like Jon Battle-born, Maramal, Rustleif, Captain Veleth and Endon. Even a more ambitious idea: passing a persuasion speech gives the player a chance to decrease disposition with the wife. So there's a drawback and the player can seriously hurt her reputation with merchants like Adrianne Avenicci, Hafjorg or Lami, resulting in worse prices and they hating the PC as they should. - Any chance for Kleppr to visit Sassa at the temple after the Sybil comes back from her mystical travel? By the way, that scene was impressive, it was really a high point. It would be great to have some of those Dibella's Garden cloned NPCs (but named nobles and pilgrims) to visit the temple after the news of the temple opening again begin to spread. - Maybe you are still thinking what to do if you save the Khajiit in Riften. I think the player should find him at the Windhelm docks trying to get passage to Solstheim with one of the ship captains, the player can "arrange a discount" with one of the boats before Benjen's thugs get him. The normal price is 500 gold which is insane and he obviously can't afford it. Solstheim is far enough to be outside of the Black-Briars reach. It's not in the Empire, they don't have any leverage with house Redoran. Also traditionally House Redoran was not much involved in farming so they didn't really participate in slavery and Solstheim has tired miners, horny sailors (the ones the PC slept with lol), lots of single guys and a guard under constant pressure. Looks like a good place for a runaway entrepreneur couple. After that he can be encountered at the Retching Netch, safe and fluffy, offering jobs for the player. - How every single innkeeper know the PC is working for Benjen? Your licence doesn't say anything about that and the word is somewhat slow to spread in a mostly rural province, specially something unimportant for the common folk. It's possible to restrict Benjen profit cut to "his" city and nowhere else? It already enough punishment getting a big chunk of your hard earned gold stolen and have to travel back to Riften to meet the quota. - When I start in Windhelm (Alternate Start) the quest to obtain the licence is the most dangerous and tedious one for me, as the Stormcloak camp is too far away and if I take carriage from Windhelm to Whiterun, I still have to pass an Encounter zone and hide from the many animals in the way. Perhaps could be an alternative to entertain the soldiers at the palace's barracks (taking this route leads to more partners to entertain and maybe... a death row prisoner last wish to fulfill, just an idea). - I love your mod so much I wish I could contribute in some form. I will try to turn some of my presets into a NPC beautification replacer, because some of the girl faces are somewhat unfortunate (Yes, I'm talking about the Raerek's girls, btw another super fun quest!). Edited February 8, 2022 by xtrange988
BiggieRigs Posted February 8, 2022 Posted February 8, 2022 7 hours ago, ruddycray said: Dibella's Garden doesn't have a quota. If you don't want that, you'll need to avoid working for Benjen. As I mentioned in another post, the Dibella's Garden quest line will be about making it possible to work in Riften without working for him, so it will eventually be possible to avoid the quota even if you want to work there. I had originally meant for Dibella's Garden to have a smaller quota, too, but right now I'm thinking I probably won't do that. I have done an actual play-through of the game with this mod running recently, though, and I really didn't find myself having trouble keeping up with the payments even when I was not entertaining that many clients, because money isn't that hard to come by once you really get started. I actually accumulated almost a hundred thousand gold even with paying Benjen every two weeks. Of course, if you have mods that make the economy more brutal or something like that it will probably be harder. You can also increase the gold per client. It really only takes about 8 clients in a 2-week period to make enough money to pay Benjen if you put the slider to 150, and Dibella's Garden just takes a cut. And that's all assuming you don't take any special jobs, which can pay as much as 1000 gold in one go. Edit: Also, thank you for the compliments! Oh I completely forgot I had a bunch of mods that affected prices, making everything more expensive (inns are 190 gold a pop for example) everything makes more sense now. Also it's pretty cool that there is an actual questline that affects the character's prostitution experience, gonna have to try and get it started. Thanks for the reply.
ruddycray Posted February 8, 2022 Author Posted February 8, 2022 27 minutes ago, xtrange988 said: This one has the best animations that I know. The author already did a TDF Aggressive Prostitution addon Here that replaces some of the original TDF animations. I always disable the ones that come with TDF, they don't fit at all in the game. So hopefully he gives permission for and addon/patch and it can be implemented for like getting the customers on the mood, dancing yourself or get one of the player's colleagues to do it. Thanks, I'll have to look into it. Quote I love that you can't simply sleep with everyone and that there are some location and faction restrictions. No idea how you managed to detect if a npc is married but... It could be possible to replace the MCM percentage chance to a speech check? ("Nobody has to know/ What she doesn't know can't hurt her") That way you can level up a bit your skills to get your equipment more easily before venturing outside the safety of the city. And perhaps some are more easy to convince like Nazeem, Kjeld, Torbjorn Shatter-Shield, Bolli and Hod. And some impossible to seduce like Jon Battle-born, Maramal, Rustleif, Captain Veleth and Endon. Even more ambitious, passing a persuasion speech gives you a chance to decrease disposition with the wife. I won't rule it out. I do already have plans to make some NPCs who vocally complain about their spouses or who just seem like that kind of person exempt from the rules that apply to other married couples. A speech check might work. Quote Any chance for Kleppr to visit Sassa at the temple after the Sybil comes back from her mystical travel? By the way, that scene was impressive, it was really a high point. It would be great to have some of those Dibella's Garden cloned NPCs (but named nobles and pilgrims) to visit the temple after the news of the temple opening again begin to spread. Definitely about Kleppr. I already planned to do that. Something like the other idea here will most likely be there, as well. Quote Maybe you are still thinking what to do if you save the Khajiit in Riften. I think you should find him at the Windhelm docks trying to get passage to Solstheim with one of the ship captains, the player can "arrange a discount" with one of the boats before Benjen's thugs get him. The normal price is 500 gold which is insane and he obviously can't afford it. Solstheim is far enough to be outside of the Black-Briars reach. It's not in the Empire, they don't have any leverage with house Redoran. Also traditionally House Redoran was not much involved in farming so they didn't really participate in slavery and Solstheim has tired miners, horny sailors (the ones you slept with lol), lots of single guys and a guard under constant pressure. Looks like a good place for a runaway entrepreneur couple. After that he can be encountered at the Retching Netch, safe and fluffy, offering jobs for the player. I like the idea of helping him get passage to Solstheim. I did have some thoughts to having him get in touch with you if you let him know what's going on in his quest, and that would tie nicely into it. Having him give you jobs in Solstheim isn't a bad idea, either, although I'm not going to commit to that at this point. Quote How every single innkeeper know the PC is working for Benjen? Your licence doesn't say anything about that and the word is somewhat slow to spread in a mostly rural province, specially something unimportant for the common folk. It's possible to restrict Benjen profit cut to "his" city and nowhere else? That Black-Briars are known throughout Skyrim. and news isn't all that slow to travel, based on people hearing about other things that happen in the game. It would make some sense for their influence not to extend beyond Skyrim's borders, but it also doesn't benefit the player too much to limit knowledge to the Rift, because knowledge that the player works for Benjen provides the smallest innkeeper cut. Quote When I start in Windhelm (Alternate Start) the quest to obtain the licence is the most dangerous and tedious one for me, as the Stormcloak camp is too far away and if I take carriage from Windhelm to Whiterun, I still have to pass an Encounter zone and hide from the many animals in the way. Perhaps could be an alternative to entertain the soldiers at the palace's barracks (taking this route leads to more partners to entertain and maybe... a death row prisoner last wish to fulfill, just an idea). That's fair. I have changed other things because I didn't want combat to be between you and a job (as I mentioned to someone a while back, Benjen was originally going to be in The Ragged Flagon, but you can't get there without passing several hostile NPCs). I'll give it some thought. Quote I love your mod so much I wish I could contribute in some form. I will try to turn some of my presets into a NPC beautification replacer, because some of the girl faces are somewhat unfortunate (Yes, I'm talking about the Raerek's girls, btw another super fun quest!). I appreciate that, and believe me when I say that knowing there are people who get a lot of enjoyment out of it really does help!
ruddycray Posted February 8, 2022 Author Posted February 8, 2022 8 minutes ago, BiggieRigs said: Oh I completely forgot I had a bunch of mods that affected prices, making everything more expensive (inns are 190 gold a pop for example) everything makes more sense now. Also it's pretty cool that there is an actual questline that affects the character's prostitution experience, gonna have to try and get it started. Thanks for the reply. Just to be clear, the Dibella's Garden quest line is not implemented yet, so as it stands you basically have to just stay out of the Rift if you don't want a quota. However, that is the long-term plan. An economy mod will definitely do it. I'm open to suggestions on making that experience better, though as I've mentioned when similar topics have come up, I do want to be careful about unbalancing the mod. Prostitution isn't intended to make you wealthy, but it also isn't really intended to have you unable to afford food!
BiggieRigs Posted February 8, 2022 Posted February 8, 2022 3 hours ago, ruddycray said: Just to be clear, the Dibella's Garden quest line is not implemented yet, so as it stands you basically have to just stay out of the Rift if you don't want a quota. However, that is the long-term plan. An economy mod will definitely do it. I'm open to suggestions on making that experience better, though as I've mentioned when similar topics have come up, I do want to be careful about unbalancing the mod. Prostitution isn't intended to make you wealthy, but it also isn't really intended to have you unable to afford food! Yeah it's pretty fair that a character shouldn't be having thousands in excess as a prostitute. It'd be pretty hard to balance that without adding more mod customization via MCM to control debt, income, or whatever else affects the overall profit of the mod, but honestly I set it at 150 septims and even with my harsh economy mods I can see my character's wallet getting a bit fuller now that Riften is no-go, not gonna bother with Mr. Debt for a while. Hopefully development on the mod goes smoothly, fleshing out the events and the questlines would make this a must-have.
poporaltemporal Posted February 8, 2022 Posted February 8, 2022 15 hours ago, ruddycray said: I've looked into Public Whore a little bit, and the idea doesn't seem to provide much in the way of opportunity for integration to me. Its premise feels far outside lore-friendly territory to me. I won't absolutely rule it out, but I don't know about it. Completely understand your vision and opinion about this. These mods do conflict but so do things in life too. I am perfectly happy how both mods work separately. Co-existent cross working could be then accomplished simply by that the brothels / pimps would keep eye on their investment and drag if you had sex outside their deal? 15 hours ago, ruddycray said: The idea of adding dancing is something I would like to do if I could, but I haven't had much luck with finding freely usable assets that feel like they belong. I don't have much interest in adding dances that look like something you'd see in a modern nightclub. You do not have to add the animations to your mod. You could simply depend on gunslicer GPoses and Slal. That pack has more than enough awesome animations you can use. Gunslicer is really talented person I am amazed of his work to be honest. 15 hours ago, ruddycray said: There's a possibility I'll add some mechanics with this for some followers, but pimping out just any follower is unlikely. I've said before that Lydia is sworn to carry your burdens, not to to take a dick on your say-so. This feature can bloat easily so I appreciate it that you even consider it ? 15 hours ago, ruddycray said: Some of those things are possibilities. I'm not going to promise anything specific, but more dialogue and something involving the temple are distinctly possible. I don't know whether I'm going to try to make appearance changes myself. The player does have the keyword TAPSuccubus added to them when they are a succubus, much like they get the keyword Vampire added to them when they're a vampire, so it would definitely be possible for someone who was interested in adding something to detect that the player had become a succubus through this mod if they wanted to. This is good to know. I might try some modding with this knowledge. ? 15 hours ago, ruddycray said: I think those might be best left for someone else to do. I'm not personally much of a fan of "action" dialogue, and anything involving rape in the context of a brothel or inn is a hard no. Rape play maybe, but my concept (and honestly a motivation for making this mod) is that even if your employer didn't care on a personal level about the effects of an assault on you, they would definitely care about someone threatening a source of income for them. I have played other prostitution mods where potential clients just outright raped you in an inn, and nothing happened to them, and that utterly destroys immersion for me. It is possible that there might be a small chance for assault if you work away from an inn without the protection of a brothel, pimp, or innkeeper, but even then I'm not really looking to make a rape-heavy mod. I'm not avoiding it entirely, but I'm not too interested in it as a main feature. 1) Understand that dialogue is one thing on its own. 2) As I tried to describe in the original post. Rape would be risk. Not that it actually occurs often. If you would sell yourself on street I also think that its bit unimmersive if you would simply fuck in rain / during snow out in the open. That could of course perhaps happen but not that it always happen like that. So at least unique NPCs could actually invite you to the home. Or if you owned a home in that city perhaps you could invite client to your home? You could approach this like that selling yourself on the street would actually require special relationship with innkeeper or require you to own residence in the city you want to sell yourself in?
poporaltemporal Posted February 8, 2022 Posted February 8, 2022 14 hours ago, ruddycray said: I'm open to ways to make it easier to notice when something will or won't work with the succubus aspects, but pop-up text (I assume you mean something like a message box) is a bit too annoying IMO to use for common messages. I do not want mesage box to every situation but I do say that when placed right and when the boxes contain important information thats ok. 14 hours ago, ruddycray said: With SLSO, it should only work if the victim has an orgasm, but I don't use SLSO so I haven't tested it much myself. If you have one and your victim doesn't, it should not work. If it does, that's a bug. I have SLSO and the drained victim dies after the scene has ended. Actor doesn't even have to orgasm. I tested SL Hormones yesterday and it has quite interesting mechanics for the succubus. Its buggy and so on but few notes I like to point out. I find it really interesting that SL Hormones actually make drain skill on succubus orgasm. This actually makes succubus gameplay somehow immersive as you want to orgasm and drain. This implementation is not completed. I like the idea that say you could orgasms like 3-5 times and last time would actually be the last drop. => drained victim dead. So if you were too selfish and not careful you would get in trouble. 14 hours ago, ruddycray said: Edit: The idea of needing to orgasm close in time to your prey could be interesting. I'll mark it as something to look into, but it will probably be low priority and optional. Dark Club last challenge has interesting mechanics. This mod requires you to make sure that 1 you please your customer and some customers complain if they didn't see you orgasm. And in the last challenges in the Mistress challenge you have to come together with your Mistress or you fail.
ruddycray Posted February 8, 2022 Author Posted February 8, 2022 2 hours ago, poporaltemporal said: Completely understand your vision and opinion about this. These mods do conflict but so do things in life too. I am perfectly happy how both mods work separately. Co-existent cross working could be then accomplished simply by that the brothels / pimps would keep eye on their investment and drag if you had sex outside their deal? I'm not completely ruling it out, but to be honest it's probably not going to be a priority with all of the other things I need to get done with the mod. Quote You do not have to add the animations to your mod. You could simply depend on gunslicer GPoses and Slal. That pack has more than enough awesome animations you can use. Gunslicer is really talented person I am amazed of his work to be honest. Thanks for the link. Just to clarify a little bit, I'm not saying that I need to include the animations with my mod if there's something that lets me call it to make one happen. I just haven't yet found something that is free to use or callable and also has animations that I think fit with the lore-friendly mood I'm going for. Quote 2) As I tried to describe in the original post. Rape would be risk. Not that it actually occurs often. If you would sell yourself on street I also think that its bit unimmersive if you would simply fuck in rain / during snow out in the open. That could of course perhaps happen but not that it always happen like that. So at least unique NPCs could actually invite you to the home. Or if you owned a home in that city perhaps you could invite client to your home? You could approach this like that selling yourself on the street would actually require special relationship with innkeeper or require you to own residence in the city you want to sell yourself in? There's a possibility I'll add a risk of assault or other bad things (robbery, for example) for freelance solicitation or solicitation outside of towns or something. I'm just not willing to add it in places where there would be witnesses or definite consequences. I'm not opposed to the entire idea, but I am opposed to it in places where only a complete idiot would even think they could get away with it. At the same time, it's not a main feature, so adding a risk of bad things is something that might happen, not something I'm definitely going to do. Quote I do not want mesage box to every situation but I do say that when placed right and when the boxes contain important information thats ok. As a general principle, I agree. I'm already using message boxes for some things. That is to say I've already considered for each message whether I thought it should be a message box or a notification in the upper-left corner. While it's possible that I miscalculated in some areas, when I've been playing through it, that isn't where I found myself wishing something worked slightly differently. Quote I have SLSO and the drained victim dies after the scene has ended. Actor doesn't even have to orgasm. Good to know. Thanks for reporting it. I'll record the bug. Quote I tested SL Hormones yesterday and it has quite interesting mechanics for the succubus. Its buggy and so on but few notes I like to point out. I find it really interesting that SL Hormones actually make drain skill on succubus orgasm. This actually makes succubus gameplay somehow immersive as you want to orgasm and drain. This implementation is not completed. I like the idea that say you could orgasms like 3-5 times and last time would actually be the last drop. => drained victim dead. So if you were too selfish and not careful you would get in trouble. There's precedent in lore for "partial" soul trapping - it's the alternative that Serana offers if you don't want to become a vampire to enter the Soul Cairn. I'm generally OK with how the succubus mechanics work that I have now, though, so I doubt I'm going to make any big overhauls a priority any time soon. Of course, if someone wants to do a "Better Vampires" on my succubus mechanic, there's nothing stopping them, really. 1
poporaltemporal Posted February 8, 2022 Posted February 8, 2022 33 minutes ago, ruddycray said: I'm not completely ruling it out, but to be honest it's probably not going to be a priority with all of the other things I need to get done with the mod. ? 33 minutes ago, ruddycray said: Thanks for the link. Just to clarify a little bit, I'm not saying that I need to include the animations with my mod if there's something that lets me call it to make one happen. I just haven't yet found something that is free to use or callable and also has animations that I think fit with the lore-friendly mood I'm going for. Gunslicers pack has plenty of not lore-friendly ones thats for sure yes. But the package is so big that I am pretty sure you can find something there. Since Gunslicer is still on that animation pack you might ask him if he is interested to do role friendly dance. 33 minutes ago, ruddycray said: There's a possibility I'll add a risk of assault or other bad things (robbery, for example) for freelance solicitation or solicitation outside of towns or something. I'm just not willing to add it in places where there would be witnesses or definite consequences. I'm not opposed to the entire idea, but I am opposed to it in places where only a complete idiot would even think they could get away with it. At the same time, it's not a main feature, so adding a risk of bad things is something that might happen, not something I'm definitely going to do. This is bit more difficult topic as I see it since. Like beggars, smugglers etc.. Also those that sell their body for money never have been amongst the most respected. Thats why pimp and brothels have succeeded that those people have security on this job. Many people oppose such people because political, social or religious views. So for my eyes actually if I would sell my body I would not be sure if people would actually report any assaults on my behalf. Especially if the assaulter was higher politically or military ranking person. Of course you can't assume every people are like that but just saying. 33 minutes ago, ruddycray said: As a general principle, I agree. I'm already using message boxes for some things. That is to say I've already considered for each message whether I thought it should be a message box or a notification in the upper-left corner. While it's possible that I miscalculated in some areas, when I've been playing through it, that isn't where I found myself wishing something worked slightly differently. It depends on the message but as I said before if the purpose is fitting aka the text contains roleplay story elements etc. You need the time to read it through. But yes, sad there is not easier/better way to do it really. Of course you could do some other tricks like stick note on the inn door or lets say sign "<dragonborn works> here" and perhaps upgrade it on the base of relations with the inn. 33 minutes ago, ruddycray said: Good to know. Thanks for reporting it. I'll record the bug. ? 33 minutes ago, ruddycray said: There's precedent in lore for "partial" soul trapping - it's the alternative that Serana offers if you don't want to become a vampire to enter the Soul Cairn. I'm generally OK with how the succubus mechanics work that I have now, though, so I doubt I'm going to make any big overhauls a priority any time soon. Of course, if someone wants to do a "Better Vampires" on my succubus mechanic, there's nothing stopping them, really. Don't complete understand what you mean by this but will see to it as I am close to enter the soul cairn. I am not fund of mixing vamp and succubus gameplay though. Dont find it fun.
ruddycray Posted February 8, 2022 Author Posted February 8, 2022 10 minutes ago, poporaltemporal said: Don't complete understand what you mean by this but will see to it as I am close to enter the soul cairn. I am not fund of mixing vamp and succubus gameplay though. Dont find it fun. Better Vampires overhauls the way that vampirism works in the vanilla game. I'm just saying there's nothing stopping someone from making an overhaul that works on top of my mod if they like all the stuff surrounding the succubus mechanics but just want the actual mechanics to work a little differently. I wasn't suggesting mixing the two, although I did allow you to be both a succubus and a vampire if you want. 1
LetsTestThis Posted February 10, 2022 Posted February 10, 2022 I must say this is one of my favorite mods I discovered on this platform yet. I was having a lot of fun until I hit an unfortunate bug that is preventing my progress: After completing the vanikseth quest to the point where she asks you to leave the workroom, I immediately fail the quest when I actually leave it. Looking into the quest log says that it failed due to killing Vanika. The same happens should I teleport out of the cell and wait for the quest to update or save and reload. While it probably is caused by some incompatibility I was unable to figure out the exact mod causing it. Nether's follower frameworks minion management is disabled and I can't think of anything else that might be related. I was unable to find a console solution as setting the quest stage to 1200 does only give me the gold, not the spell I would also like to acquire. Furthermore I am unsure whether this would lock me out of further quests. As such I would like to ask you whether you know a set of console commands (or an alternative solution) that would let me complete the quest correctly and learn the soul absorption spell without locking me out of future quests or the succubus mechanic which I would like to try out.
ruddycray Posted February 10, 2022 Author Posted February 10, 2022 4 hours ago, LetsTestThis said: I must say this is one of my favorite mods I discovered on this platform yet. I was having a lot of fun until I hit an unfortunate bug that is preventing my progress: After completing the vanikseth quest to the point where she asks you to leave the workroom, I immediately fail the quest when I actually leave it. Looking into the quest log says that it failed due to killing Vanika. The same happens should I teleport out of the cell and wait for the quest to update or save and reload. While it probably is caused by some incompatibility I was unable to figure out the exact mod causing it. Nether's follower frameworks minion management is disabled and I can't think of anything else that might be related. I was unable to find a console solution as setting the quest stage to 1200 does only give me the gold, not the spell I would also like to acquire. Furthermore I am unsure whether this would lock me out of further quests. As such I would like to ask you whether you know a set of console commands (or an alternative solution) that would let me complete the quest correctly and learn the soul absorption spell without locking me out of future quests or the succubus mechanic which I would like to try out. I'm glad you like the mod, and I'm sorry you're having a problem. You are not the first person to report this bug, though I have not yet been able to reproduce it myself. I have a possible solution for you, but it would also be good if you could give me as much information as possible about the exact sequence of steps you followed when doing the quest so that I can try to make it happen (please put it in spoiler tags if you would). A load order might also be helpful in case it is a mod conflict. The other person who encountered this issue was able to work around it by making the character essential with the console. Are you playing on SE or LE? I'm asking because the other person uses LE, and if this is occurring on SE, as well, it would be good for me to know.
Horrigan235 Posted February 10, 2022 Posted February 10, 2022 Tlatha is awesome wife, you made really good character :3 Did you plan to add more stuff with her?
ruddycray Posted February 10, 2022 Author Posted February 10, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, Horrigan235 said: Tlatha is awesome wife, you made really good character :3 Did you plan to add more stuff with her? I have a few additional things in mind for her but nothing huge. She may get another side quest or two or be involved in some of the quest lines in some way. Edit: of course that's always subject to change if I come up with an idea for her I like. Edited February 10, 2022 by ruddycray
Horrigan235 Posted February 10, 2022 Posted February 10, 2022 3 hours ago, ruddycray said: I have a few additional things in mind for her but nothing huge. But this is still something, so i happy. Quote idea for her I think it must be cool to see interactions after marry, you know, like going to "work" together or something like that :3 (just my thoughts ^_^)
zelurker Posted February 10, 2022 Posted February 10, 2022 1 hour ago, ruddycray said: I have a few additional things in mind for her but nothing huge. She may get another side quest or two or be involved in some of the quest lines in some way. Yeah I was glad to have another quest with her in 0.10 too, but she's really suborn about her nakedness, I have 44 in speech, + a potion of speech +12, and she still refuses to try to go and see her dad, just in case he wouldn't send her away. It seemed the most reasonable choice at this point, it's a last chance to see him, after that it's too late. But nothing to do about that, I finally had to choose one of the other options, which was probably what she wanted me to say from the beginning, that is, he doesn't respect you, so forget him (not exactly these words, but what that meant). Oh well, at least the quest is over, but that was a little frustrating, finally we had no real role in this... But still it was nice to have some news from her, even if the news were not very good !
ruddycray Posted February 10, 2022 Author Posted February 10, 2022 (edited) 39 minutes ago, zelurker said: Yeah I was glad to have another quest with her in 0.10 too, but she's really suborn about her nakedness, I have 44 in speech, + a potion of speech +12, and she still refuses to try to go and see her dad, just in case he wouldn't send her away. It seemed the most reasonable choice at this point, it's a last chance to see him, after that it's too late. But nothing to do about that, I finally had to choose one of the other options, which was probably what she wanted me to say from the beginning, that is, he doesn't respect you, so forget him (not exactly these words, but what that meant). Oh well, at least the quest is over, but that was a little frustrating, finally we had no real role in this... But still it was nice to have some news from her, even if the news were not very good ! I might tone down the difficulty a bit in the future, but she is extremely committed to her beliefs. The speech check is very hard (skill 100 without other perks). There are other ways to finish the quest without speech though... Edited February 10, 2022 by ruddycray
ruddycray Posted February 10, 2022 Author Posted February 10, 2022 1 hour ago, Horrigan235 said: But this is still something, so i happy. I think it must be cool to see interactions after marry, you know, like going to "work" together or something like that :3 (just my thoughts ^_^) It's a possibility. I have some plans to expand any of the marriage options I add a little (for example, if you promise your spouse to stop working as a prostitute and then keep doing it anyway).
Horrigan235 Posted February 10, 2022 Posted February 10, 2022 2 hours ago, ruddycray said: I have some plans to expand any of the marriage options I add a little oh, this is nice ^_^ (i actually have a question, if i choise "but i can't stop do that" line does that means that she will stop it but let me go, or no? and if this means first, will you add options to let her work anyway after marry?) Spoiler sry for my eng, hope you understand what i mean :3
ruddycray Posted February 10, 2022 Author Posted February 10, 2022 3 minutes ago, Horrigan235 said: oh, this is nice ^_^ (i actually have a question, if i choise "but i can't stop do that" line does that means that she will stop it but let me go, or no? and if this means first, will you add options to let her work anyway after marry?) Hide contents sry for my eng, hope you understand what i mean :3 The only options with Tlatha are: 1. You both agree to stop 2. You both can continue working If you say you want to continue being a prostitute but don't want her to do it she will not want to marry you anymore.
Horrigan235 Posted February 10, 2022 Posted February 10, 2022 (edited) 19 minutes ago, ruddycray said: The only options with Tlatha are: 1. You both agree to stop 2. You both can continue working If you say you want to continue being a prostitute but don't want her to do it she will not want to marry you anymore. So.... this first line was about "i like this life, so we must continue"? i remember that i choose it, sge reply to me something like "i don't mind to share you" and we are marry anyway I do not remember that line verbatim, now there is no access to the computer btw, thanks you for this mod, when i download this i have, you know, "regular prostitution mod" expectations, but your work is amazing and i really enjoy it :3 Edited February 10, 2022 by Horrigan235
zelurker Posted February 10, 2022 Posted February 10, 2022 1 hour ago, ruddycray said: There are other ways to finish the quest without speech though... Yeah I thought that too, but this was not obvious, I talked with the brother, but that didn't help, so no solution through dialog with anyone here, maybe there was something to find, or just wait to see how things evolve, maybe I should have taken more time, oh well... !
LetsTestThis Posted February 10, 2022 Posted February 10, 2022 (edited) 13 hours ago, ruddycray said: I'm glad you like the mod, and I'm sorry you're having a problem. You are not the first person to report this bug, though I have not yet been able to reproduce it myself. I have a possible solution for you, but it would also be good if you could give me as much information as possible about the exact sequence of steps you followed when doing the quest so that I can try to make it happen (please put it in spoiler tags if you would). A load order might also be helpful in case it is a mod conflict. The other person who encountered this issue was able to work around it by making the character essential with the console. Are you playing on SE or LE? I'm asking because the other person uses LE, and if this is occurring on SE, as well, it would be good for me to know. Thank you for your answer I shall try the essential trick later, I am somewhat mad that I didn't think of that myself tbh. EDIT: It worked thank you so much! In either case I hope the following information answers your questions. Should this not be the case feel free to ask again. Technical Information first: Using SE (AE update) with the following load order, which probably has some questionable combinations as this is my first SE setup: Spoiler # This file was automatically generated by Mod Organizer. Skyrim.esm Update.esm Dawnguard.esm HearthFires.esm Dragonborn.esm ccBGSSSE001-Fish.esm ccQDRSSE001-SurvivalMode.esl ccBGSSSE037-Curios.esl ccBGSSSE025-AdvDSGS.esm Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp ApachiiHair.esm Lightened Skyrim - merged.esp RealisticWaterTwo - Resources.esm SexLab.esm SexLabAroused.esm Devious Devices - Assets.esm Devious Devices - Integration.esm Devious Devices - Expansion.esm Devious Devices - Contraptions.esm Fertility Mode.esm Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm ZaZAnimationPack.esm SexLab - Sexual Fame [SLSF].esm SkyUI_SE.esp Hearthfires Houses Building Fix.esp Obsidian Weathers.esp SMIM-SE-Merged-All.esp RaceMenu.esp RaceMenuPlugin.esp LVT-HeavySnowTrees.esp LVT-LargeFalkreathTrees01.esp Book Covers Skyrim.esp Blended Shorelines.esp iNeed.esp iNeed - Extended.esp SimplyKnock.esp SL Survival.esp CFTO.esp The Ancient Profession.esp fallentreebridgesSSE.esp SexLab Theft and Seduction.esp Populated Lands Roads Paths Reborn.esp SLSFFameComments.esp Populated Cities Towns Villages Reborn.esp bathhouse.esp Laura's Bondage Shop.esp DeviousFollowers.esp Blacksmith Forge Water Fix SE USSEP.esp SMIM-RatwayChandellierFix.esp BlendedRoads.esp aMidianBorn_Book of Silence.esp DeadlySpellImpacts.esp Frost Meshes Patch.esp DustEffectsSSE.esp CBBE.esp RaceMenuMorphsCBBE.esp TheEyesOfBeauty.esp Beards.esp KS Hairdo's.esp FNIS.esp Lazman_Outfits.esp SOSRaceMenu.esp DeadlySpellImpacts Transparency Fix.esp SLSO.esp Devious Devices - BRRF.esp Devious Devices SE patch.esp SLWidgets.esp Conditional Expressions.esp SexLabDefeat.esp Bathing in Skyrim - Main.esp Missives.esp HonedMetal.esp SlaveTats.esp Apropos2.esp RapeTattoos.esp FadeTattoos.esp TimeFlies.esp FNISSexyMove.esp Schlongs of Skyrim.esp SOS - Smurf Average Addon.esp ImperialMail.esp PaarthurnaxQuestExpansion.esp fallenbridgesSSE-Patch.esp EnchantmentSwapper.esp UIExtensions.esp Requiem.esp XPMSE.esp Requiem - No Messages.esp Requiem - Restored Saving Messages.esp Requiem-Missives_extended_patch.esp Trad_SaintsSeducers025Curios037_Requiem_Patch.esp Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp nwsFollowerFramework.esp RealisticWaterTwo.esp Bathing in SSE - RWT.esp Requiem for the Indifferent.esp Quest completion details: Spoiler I am in Winterhold when I get the letter. Walk over to Anikseth's workshop and the first time around exhaust all his dialogue except for the "did it all lead up to this" and "why do you want to switch your body" topics. Wait for him to give me the scroll, cast the scroll on the body, wait for the soul absorption spell to be cast on me, have sex with vanikseth, have sex with the raised female dunmer, talk to vanikseth, exhaust all the dialogue, finally click the "about that money" option which updates the quest telling me to wait a day. I leave the workshop and vanika dies. Now I am very confused go back inside and see that she is indeed dead. Reload to right after entering the workshop, only take the nessecary dialogue options, use coc WinterholdTheFrozenHearth to leave the cell instead (vanika not dead yet), wait 24h in the frozen hearth. The quest first updates to "get your payment" and then fails due to her dying. I then tried various Quest stage setting via console commands with unsatisfyig results before finally posting here to ask for help. Thank you for taking your time to answer my question and point out a potential solution the solution I missed when looking through this thread. I hope you have a nice day Further comment after successfully using the setEssential solution: Since simply setting the NPC as essential appears to fix the issue you might want to consider just having the quest set her essential once the player reaches stage 1000 (I think that was the wait 24h one). Edited February 10, 2022 by LetsTestThis
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