Sillius_Maximus Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 Problems: 1) hands/wrists are detatched from body when naked. 2) When in third person , i can frequently see the "frontside" from the "Backside" meaning everything still points the right direction, but I can see boob outline through the back What I have tried: So, I am using CBBE- Body-slide - XP32 I have tried running body slide in both 32bit and 64 bit (didnt think that would be an issue, but ran it just to check) When I select models like HDT or BBP or Nude/nevernude I select the same all the way through... So, It might be CBBE body BBP outfit for example ----- select that again in the pop up after i check build morphs/batch build.... Ive tried it with different configurations, if tried moving bodyslide lower in load order,,,,, Ive ran it several times, being the last thing i do before launching game (so no new mods were added after bodyslide ran). here is my load order- i dont think i have any conflicted mods? 8 Spoiler # This file was automatically generated by Mod Organizer. Skyrim.esm Update.esm Dawnguard.esm HearthFires.esm Dragonborn.esm Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp Skyrim Project Optimization - Full Version.esm SexLab.esm SexLabAroused.esm Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm CreatureFramework.esm WM Flora Fixes.esp Heart of Hearts.esm Devious Devices - Assets.esm Devious Devices - Integration.esm moonpath.esm ZaZAnimationPack.esm daymoyl.esm Devious Devices - Expansion.esm MolagBalsInferno.esm BeeingFemale.esm Skyrim Project Optimization - Full Version.esp SkyUI.esp RaceMenu.esp RaceMenuPlugin.esp RaceMenuMorphsCBBE.esp UIExtensions.esp SLAnimLoader.esp SOS - Smurf Average Addon.esp SexLabTools.esp EnhancedLightsandFX.esp ELFX - Exteriors.esp Path of Shadows.esp CollegeOfWinterholdImmersive.esp Complete Alchemy & Cooking Overhaul.esp Schlongs of Skyrim.esp Hearts Dragonborn.esp MoreNastyCritters.esp Animal_SOS.esp Hearts Dawnguard.esp Helgen Reborn.esp ELFX - Weathers.esp Point The Way.esp TactlessToxins.esp sanguinesDebauchery.esp SMIM-Merged-All.esp SexLab Beastess.esp HornyCreatures.esp IndividualizedShoutCooldowns.esp IcePenguinWorldMap.esp dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp dD-Dragonborn-Dawnguard-EBT Patch.esp dD-Short Script Range.esp The-Great-Book-of-Alchemy.esp potionupgrades.esp Skytoxin.esp Hearts Hearthfire.esp FISS.esp HeljarchenFarm.esp moonpath_questdata.esp UltrawidescreenFixesForSkyrimLE.esp SexLab_Dialogues.esp Vile Art of Necromancy.esp BesEss.esp Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp zzEstrus.esp Sneak Tools.esp Sneak Tools Vanilla Hoods.esp Sneak Tools Vanilla Masks.esp Sleep Spells.esp Sexual Vampire Feed.esp EstrusChaurus.esp SL Deadly Drain.esp Sexlab_Vampire.esp Imaginator BETA.esp zariafarming.esp moonpathimproved.esp HearthfireMultiKid.esp HearthfireMultiKid_LastName.esp BeeingFemaleBasicAddOn.esp CWISPOPatch.esp SexLabDefeat.esp SexLab Aroused Creatures.esp Tales_of_Lycanthropy.esp FemaleWerewolf.esp ERF - Ceraph.esp FNIS.esp Scent of Sex.esp Moonlight Tales Special Edition.esp Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp CWIOrdinatorPatch.esp Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp Relationship Dialogue Overhaul.esp Skyrim Unbound.esp Skyrim Unbound - Option - Female Start.esp ELFXEnhancer.esp Immersive Citizens - ELFXEnhancer patch.esp also of note- i think usually when i run bodyslide for skyrim SE I get files in overwrite... when i run it for Skyrim LE (this post is about LE) I dont get overwrite files.. any idea? Link to comment
Grey Cloud Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 I can't see XPMSE.esp in there. Do you have it deactivated (which is okay)? And are you using XPMSE (for LE) and XPMS(S)E for SE? Link to comment
Sillius_Maximus Posted December 20, 2019 Author Share Posted December 20, 2019 28 minutes ago, Grey Cloud said: I can't see XPMSE.esp in there. Do you have it deactivated (which is okay)? And are you using XPMSE (for LE) and XPMS(S)E for SE? I have tried both: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/68000?tab=files and https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/26800 as far as i can tell, they were both active(checked) on both left and right pane of MO2 Link to comment
Grey Cloud Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 4 minutes ago, Sillius_Maximus said: as far as i can tell, they were both active(checked) on both left and right pane of MO2 Well you shouldn't be using the second one (by XP32). XPMSE has an esp which should be in the plugin list whether it is active or deactivated (ticked or unticked) at least with NMM. Can you post your FNIS output? That's the text which appears when you run FNIS. It should show this a few lines from the top: Skeleton(hkx) female: Unknown (126 bones) male: Unknown (126 bones) Patch: "SKELETON Arm Fix" and not have any warnings at the end. Link to comment
Sillius_Maximus Posted December 20, 2019 Author Share Posted December 20, 2019 5 minutes ago, Grey Cloud said: Well you shouldn't be using the second one (by XP32). XPMSE has an esp which should be in the plugin list whether it is active or deactivated (ticked or unticked) at least with NMM. Can you post your FNIS output? That's the text which appears when you run FNIS. It should show this a few lines from the top: Skeleton(hkx) female: Unknown (126 bones) male: Unknown (126 bones) Patch: "SKELETON Arm Fix" and not have any warnings at the end. FNIS: (with Gender specific and Skeleton arm fix patches selected(by default afaik) Spoiler FNIS Behavior V7.5 12/20/2019 2:59:44 PM Skyrim 32bit: 1.9.32.0 - C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Skyrim\ (Steam) Skeleton(hkx) female: Unknown (126 bones) male: Unknown (126 bones) Patch: "GENDER Specific Animations" Patch: "SKELETON Arm Fix" Reading Beastess V0.1 ... Reading BeeingFemale V2.8 ... Reading DD V4.0.0 ... Reading DD2 V4.0.0 ... Reading DD3 V4.1.0 ... Reading DDSL V4.0.0 ... Reading Defeat V5 ... Reading EstrusChaurus V?.? ... Reading FNISBase V7.5 ... Reading HCOSBestiality V1.0 ... Reading HCOSVore V1.0 ... Reading MoreNastyCritters V1.0 ... Reading sanguinesDebauchery V?.? ... Reading SexLab V1.62 ... Reading SexLabAroused V?.? ... Reading SexLabCreature V1.61 ... Reading XPMSE V7.2 ... Reading ZaZAnimationPack V7.00 ... Reading zzEstrus V2.30 ... All Anim Lists scanned. Generating Behavior Files... No GENDER directory male No GENDER directory female Alternate Animation mods: 6 sets: 48 total groups: 195 added file slots: 1461 alternate files: 1118 Create Creature Behaviors ... 4592 animations for 19 mods successfully included (character) 0 possible consistence issues Link to comment
Grey Cloud Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 1 minute ago, Sillius_Maximus said: No GENDER directory male No GENDER directory female The Gender box doesn't need to be ticked because of the above. Not that it is anything to do with your problem. Okay so the skeleton looks right. I use UUNP but the procedure is the same for CBBE. In this image my body is NBB - UUNP Special Repaint and the preset is SweetHeartSpecial. I have to build the body, NBB - UUNP Special hands and NBB - UUNP Special feet to the preset. Tick the 'Build Morphs' box and the 'Build' button. Link to comment
Sillius_Maximus Posted December 20, 2019 Author Share Posted December 20, 2019 11 minutes ago, Grey Cloud said: The Gender box doesn't need to be ticked because of the above. Not that it is anything to do with your problem. Okay so the skeleton looks right. I use UUNP but the procedure is the same for CBBE. In this image my body is NBB - UUNP Special Repaint and the preset is SweetHeartSpecial. I have to build the body, NBB - UUNP Special hands and NBB - UUNP Special feet to the preset. Tick the 'Build Morphs' box and the 'Build' button. Reveal hidden contents this might be narriowing down to the problem then. Doesnt matter what outfit/body doesnt matter what preset doesnt matter groups selected. nothing on output sets once i select build morphs/batch build no where, have i ever seen "hands " I see all the other sliders- plenty of torso, boobs, hips, feet.. but no hands no hand sliders.. Link to comment
Grey Cloud Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 7 minutes ago, Sillius_Maximus said: Doesnt matter what outfit/body doesnt matter what preset doesnt matter groups selected. nothing on output sets once i select build morphs/batch build no where, have i ever seen "hands " I see all the other sliders- plenty of torso, boobs, hips, feet.. but no hands no hand sliders.. Outfit sets are nothing to do with this part. Nor are Groups. They are for the armour and clothes. So is Batch Build. The regular 'Build' button is enough for this. The hands and feet options are in the Outfit/Body dropdown where the body is (top left). Just make sure you use the hands and feet for the body (don't mix n match). Those two dropdowns - Outfit/Body and Preset are the only things you need worry about for this part. Plus the Buold Morphs at the bottom (this gets you in-game sliders). I don't know any CBBE bodies or presets so I can't give you a concrete CBBE example. Link to comment
Sillius_Maximus Posted December 20, 2019 Author Share Posted December 20, 2019 6 minutes ago, Grey Cloud said: The hands and feet options are in the Outfit/Body dropdown where the body is (top left). Just make sure you use the hands and feet for the body (don't mix n match). Reveal hidden contents Sorry, let me rephrase. What I was attempting to say "At no point, in any menu, any slider, any where am i ever presented an option to build "hands" i have NO hand sliders anywhere NO hand selection buttons anywhere etc.. the word "Hand " no where exists in anything on the user interface end. There is no combo of outfits presets, groups, etc that contains the word hands. so I have no "hands" to build Link to comment
Just Don't Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 As you're using MO, checking for conflicting files should be easy. Check if any mods is overwritting the meshes/textures from CBBE (or the mod on the left panel where your bodyslide files go). Most likely you have other mod providing these meshes. Link to comment
Grey Cloud Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 4 minutes ago, Sillius_Maximus said: NO hand sliders anywhere NO hand selection buttons anywhere It's not a slider and it's not a button it is an option in the dropdown in the top left of the screen, the one called Outfit/Body. Unless someone who uses CBBE jumps in your best best is search for a video. Link to comment
Sillius_Maximus Posted December 20, 2019 Author Share Posted December 20, 2019 Like - in Data /Bodyslide/slider catagories I have onefile CBBE.XML. which reads as: Spoiler <?xml version="1.0"?> -<SliderCategories> -<Category defaultHidden="false" name="Breasts"> <Slider name="Breasts"/> <Slider name="BreastsSmall"/> <Slider name="BreastsSH"/> <Slider name="BreastsSSH"/> <Slider name="BreastsFantasy"/> <Slider name="DoubleMelon"/> <Slider name="BreastCleavage"/> <Slider name="BreastFlatness"/> <Slider name="BreastGravity"/> <Slider name="PushUp"/> <Slider name="BreastHeight"/> <Slider name="BreastPerkiness"/> <Slider name="BreastWidth"/> </Category> -<Category defaultHidden="false" name="Nipples"> <Slider name="NippleDistance"/> <Slider name="NipplePerkiness"/> <Slider name="NippleLength"/> <Slider name="NippleSize"/> <Slider name="NippleAreola"/> <Slider name="NippleUp"/> <Slider name="NippleDown"/> <Slider name="NippleTip"/> </Category> -<Category defaultHidden="false" name="Torso"> <Slider name="BigTorso"/> <Slider name="Waist"/> <Slider name="WideWaistLine"/> <Slider name="ChubbyWaist"/> <Slider name="Back"/> </Category> -<Category defaultHidden="false" name="Butt"> <Slider name="ButtCrack"/> <Slider name="Butt"/> <Slider name="ButtSmall"/> <Slider name="ButtShape2"/> <Slider name="BigButt"/> <Slider name="ChubbyButt"/> <Slider name="AppleCheeks"/> <Slider name="RoundAss"/> <Slider name="Groin"/> </Category> -<Category defaultHidden="false" name="Hips"> <Slider name="Hipbone"/> <Slider name="Hips"/> </Category> -<Category defaultHidden="false" name="Legs and Feet"> <Slider name="SlimThighs"/> <Slider name="Thighs"/> <Slider name="ChubbyLegs"/> <Slider name="Legs"/> <Slider name="KneeHeight"/> <Slider name="CalfSize"/> <Slider name="CalfSmooth"/> <Slider name="Ankles"/> </Category> -<Category defaultHidden="false" name="Arms"> <Slider name="Arms"/> <Slider name="ChubbyArms"/> <Slider name="ShoulderSmooth"/> <Slider name="ShoulderWidth"/> </Category> -<Category defaultHidden="false" name="Belly"> <Slider name="Belly"/> <Slider name="BigBelly"/> <Slider name="PregnancyBelly"/> <Slider name="TummyTuck"/> </Category> <!-- Hide advanced sliders --> <!--<Category name="Advanced" defaultHidden="true"><Slider name="ChubbyArms"/><Slider name="ShoulderSmooth"/><Slider name="BigTorso"/><Slider name="BreastsFantasy"/><Slider name="DoubleMelon"/><Slider name="BreastFlatness"/><Slider name="BreastPerkiness"/><Slider name="BreastWidth"/><Slider name="NippleAreola"/><Slider name="NippleDistance"/><Slider name="NipplePerkiness"/><Slider name="NippleLength"/><Slider name="NippleUp"/><Slider name="NippleDown"/><Slider name="NippleTip"/><Slider name="WideWaistLine"/><Slider name="ChubbyWaist"/><Slider name="BigBelly"/><Slider name="PregnancyBelly"/><Slider name="TummyTuck"/><Slider name="Back"/><Slider name="Hipbone"/><Slider name="Hips"/><Slider name="ButtCrack"/><Slider name="BigButt"/><Slider name="ChubbyButt"/><Slider name="AppleCheeks"/><Slider name="RoundAss"/><Slider name="Groin"/><Slider name="SlimThighs"/><Slider name="ChubbyLegs"/><Slider name="KneeHeight"/><Slider name="CalfSize"/><Slider name="CalfSmooth"/><Slider name="Ankles"/></Category>--> </SliderCategories> Link to comment
Sillius_Maximus Posted December 20, 2019 Author Share Posted December 20, 2019 3 minutes ago, Grey Cloud said: It's not a slider and it's not a button it is an option in the dropdown in the top left of the screen, the one called Outfit/Body. Unless someone who uses CBBE jumps in your best best is search for a video. my bad- but still - the word "hands" is not found anywhere on drop downs, sliders, buttons, etc... thats what im trying to say- There are no "hands" for me to select or build anywhere. Link to comment
Sillius_Maximus Posted December 20, 2019 Author Share Posted December 20, 2019 12 minutes ago, dontknowdontcaredontask said: As you're using MO, checking for conflicting files should be easy. Check if any mods is overwritting the meshes/textures from CBBE (or the mod on the left panel where your bodyslide files go). Most likely you have other mod providing these meshes. are you talkinga bout the "Data tab" right pane of MO2? If i "Show conflicts" Im not showing anything CBBE related Link to comment
Guest Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 Looks like a problem on the .TRI files that define the position of the hands. I did not see which mod manager you are using. In case you use MO. Just disable a single mod and run the game, until you find which mod has a replacement for these files that should never be modded. Link to comment
Just Don't Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 13 minutes ago, Sillius_Maximus said: are you talkinga bout the "Data tab" right pane of MO2? If i "Show conflicts" Im not showing anything CBBE related Double click on the CBBE mod (left panel) and check the Conflicts tab, but if the files you generate in Bodyslide go to other mod folder you may not see anything related to CBBE. Basically you must locate the mod which is providing the "femalehands_0.nif" and "femalehands_1.nif" files, these files should be under meshes/actors/character/character assets, among the other body files (like "femalebody-0.nif", or .tri files if you ever used the bodymorph setting in bodyslide). Link to comment
Sillius_Maximus Posted December 21, 2019 Author Share Posted December 21, 2019 4 hours ago, CPU said: Looks like a problem on the .TRI files that define the position of the hands. I did not see which mod manager you are using. In case you use MO. Just disable a single mod and run the game, until you find which mod has a replacement for these files that should never be modded. 4 hours ago, dontknowdontcaredontask said: Double click on the CBBE mod (left panel) and check the Conflicts tab, but if the files you generate in Bodyslide go to other mod folder you may not see anything related to CBBE. Basically you must locate the mod which is providing the "femalehands_0.nif" and "femalehands_1.nif" files, these files should be under meshes/actors/character/character assets, among the other body files (like "femalebody-0.nif", or .tri files if you ever used the bodymorph setting in bodyslide). Truth be told, I dont know what happened.... Since before the issue, i havent removed any mods. since posting, i stoped playing with load orders... literally only thing ive done is restart my system 10-actual-times... and suddnely it works....? I still dont know what caused it all, and im still concerned it will happen again... but I dont want to have to restart the computer 10 times just to play? (the attatched picture has remained the same before i started the "restart campaign" Link to comment
Just Don't Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 30 minutes ago, Sillius_Maximus said: I still dont know what caused it all, and im still concerned it will happen again... but I dont want to have to restart the computer 10 times just to play? Yeah, that's not how things should work. You have something to fix. In the last screenshoot there are fembody nifs but not the hands/feet ones, so these files are in another mod folder, and probably these mods are for a different body shape. Did you try to reinstall CBBE/Bodyslide already? it would be worth as its an easy task, just make sure you remove all the CBBE/bodyslide mod files from MO to start clean. Link to comment
Sillius_Maximus Posted December 21, 2019 Author Share Posted December 21, 2019 2 hours ago, dontknowdontcaredontask said: Yeah, that's not how things should work. You have something to fix. In the last screenshoot there are fembody nifs but not the hands/feet ones, so these files are in another mod folder, and probably these mods are for a different body shape. Did you try to reinstall CBBE/Bodyslide already? it would be worth as its an easy task, just make sure you remove all the CBBE/bodyslide mod files from MO to start clean. So I reinstalled both. in all cases, I made sure "CBBE" options were selected. (bear in mind, I run both SE and LE skyrim, and I dont have ANY of these problems in SE.. granted install options may be worded differently or some such for CBBE SE compared to CBBE LE) Also: when CBBE was installing- i see /skeletonhands.niff or whatever flash across with the green bar.. but, result of reisntallation doesnt change what is pictured above. Link to comment
Grey Cloud Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 8 hours ago, Sillius_Maximus said: skeletonhands.nif It's not skeletonhands.nif - it's femalehands_1.nif and femalehands_0.nif which you need. Do a search on your computer for femalehands_1.nif and femalehands_0.nif Link to comment
Sillius_Maximus Posted December 21, 2019 Author Share Posted December 21, 2019 4 hours ago, Grey Cloud said: It's not skeletonhands.nif - it's femalehands_1.nif and femalehands_0.nif which you need. Do a search on your computer for femalehands_1.nif and femalehands_0.nif after searching, a few times both at the "Skyrim folder" all the way up to the entire drive (just for shits and giggles) I am reasonably confident that "femalehands_1.nif and femalehands_0.nif" are not on my computer in a way taht relates to Skyrim. What perplexes me, is I would think the logical step from there would be to have steam repair. well been there, done that, these are the results. ----- As an aside, Years ago when i first started installing mods, I didnt install MO2 in its own directory.. it was under program files. I have since learned from that. its now C:Mod organizer. Ive since learned that I might should do that with skyrim as well... so C:Mod organizer C:Skyrim? Program files vs C:programfiles /..../steamapps/skyrim Since I appear to have some unusually "special" problem, at at the point where im kind of flustered enough that wiping skyrim off my computer and reinstalling would be theraputic. do you concur with this? -------- Link to comment
Just Don't Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 12 minutes ago, Sillius_Maximus said: after searching, a few times both at the "Skyrim folder" all the way up to the entire drive (just for shits and giggles) I am reasonably confident that "femalehands_1.nif and femalehands_0.nif" are not on my computer in a way taht relates to Skyrim. How? I just did a quick test, downloading CBBE for Skyrim LE, installed both Slim and Curvy on separate occasions and in both cases the files are there. Spoiler Link to comment
Sillius_Maximus Posted December 21, 2019 Author Share Posted December 21, 2019 8 minutes ago, dontknowdontcaredontask said: How? I just did a quick test, downloading CBBE for Skyrim LE, installed both Slim and Curvy on separate occasions and in both cases the files are there. Reveal hidden contents the mysteries of life i suppose. Link to comment
Sillius_Maximus Posted December 21, 2019 Author Share Posted December 21, 2019 I am officially doing a hard reinstall of skyrim to see if this solves it. Fortunately I have most of the mods downloaded anyway, so its just re-downloading skyrim.. Ill re-echek for files and so forth once its been resintalled. Link to comment
Sillius_Maximus Posted December 22, 2019 Author Share Posted December 22, 2019 On 12/20/2019 at 4:32 PM, CPU said: 6 hours ago, dontknowdontcaredontask said: 10 hours ago, Grey Cloud said: Thx for the help. I am not sure exactly how everything went wrong or if there was anything that i did that somehow caused the issue. I mean, even if in creating my own mod, or cracking open bethesda BSAs, i accidently deleted something - when I repaired it I would imagine that should make it show up - even though it didn't. maybe steam repair doesn't work as well as some others.. /shrug. Given that it was working a few months ago, and I usually play SE, only adds to the mystery. What I do know for now atleast is that the truth is out there.... i want to beileve..../cue xfiles and, completely deleting steam, skyrim(s), everything and reinstalling in a better file structure C:Steam/////Steamapps//skyim seemds to have fixed the issue. CBBE/bodyslide all working as expected, etc... Problem: detached hands on skeleton Cause: "rabies" Solution: reinstalling Skyrim alltogether. Link to comment
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