FPS ,the Great FO4 Myth?

[bajs11]

On 11/30/2019 at 1:10 PM, EgoBallistic said:

Fallout 4 is very CPU bound (a more cynical person might say "poorly optimized").  As long as your video card meets a certain level (which a GTX745 definitely does not) your FPS is almost entirely dependent on CPU.  I recently upgraded from a I7-4930K @ 4.3ghz with a 1080ti to a i7-9700K @ 4.7ghz with a 2080  Super and the performance improvement was pretty surprising.  the 2080 Super isn't much faster than a 1080ti, but the CPU difference is significant, and the game shows it.  I never drop below 60FPS almost anywhere on the map now, whereas before it would drag down to 45 or so in some places like near Goodneighbor or going around the outside of Bunker Hill. 

That's not what you said in reply #38

especially this part

"Fallout 4 is very CPU bound (a more cynical person might say "poorly optimized"). As long as your video card meets a certain level (which a GTX745 definitely does not) your FPS is almost entirely dependent on CPU."

One could misinterpret and assume that the i7 4790 is to blame for his 30fps

Pretty sure he could pair his non K i7 4790 with at least a rtx 2070Super or rx 5700XT without the cpu bottlenecking

 

https://www.gpucheck.com/gpu/nvidia-geforce-rtx-2080/intel-core-i7-4790-3-60ghz/

[Rooker]

OP, if you can comfortably play games at less than 20fps, my hat off to you. Anything below 45 makes me want to burn my eyes out with red hot BBQ coals. That Boston FPS fix and the Shadowboost mods do help a lot, so does that godrays tweak somebody linked. I don't know if there's a version of Hialgoboost for Fallout 4, but it helped a lot with Skyrim when I had a low end PC. ENB with ENBoost active (no graphical presets) also helps hugely.

 

Another thing that helped a ton with my last PC was extracting, optimizing and repacking the vanilla textures. There's a mod that's already done it, and there's a detailed tutorial on how to optimize textures from mods that aren't packed into ba2 archives.

 

A big (and amazingly stupid) issue with Fallout 4 is that somehow they have tied the loading screens into the framerate. If you're limiting your framerate, you're also making loading screens take artificially longer. The Load Accelerator mod helps with that by uncapping the framerate during loading screens.

[maddadicusrex]

7 minutes ago, Rooker said:

OP, if you can comfortably play games at less than 20fps, my hat off to you. Anything below 45 makes me want to burn my eyes out with red hot BBQ coals. That Boston FPS fix and the Shadowboost mods do help a lot, so does that godrays tweak somebody linked. I don't know if there's a version of Hialgoboost for Fallout 4, but it helped a lot with Skyrim when I had a low end PC. ENB with ENBoost active (no graphical presets) also helps hugely.

 

Another thing that helped a ton with my last PC was extracting, optimizing and repacking the vanilla textures. There's a mod that's already done it, and there's a detailed tutorial on how to optimize textures from mods that aren't packed into ba2 archives.

 

A big (and amazingly stupid) issue with Fallout 4 is that somehow they have tied the loading screens into the framerate. If you're limiting your framerate, you're also making loading screens take artificially longer. The Load Accelerator mod helps with that by uncapping the framerate during loading screens.

Best I get is about 18 FPS any given moment. I am using a greater resoluton than suggested (2560x1440), but I love the graphics and my game does not stutter, tear, or CTD, even in Boston, at the moment. Best of both worlds. Just wondered because of my gameplay, if FPS suggested requirements were overstated. 

[Samuraitech]

The PC I built about 6 years ago had almost the same specs as the OP.  I had an Nvidia GTX 760 and also had a 4th generation i7.  I just retired that system a couple of weeks ago as it was replaced with a new PC build.

 

I have been playing FO4 since it came out in 2015.  I don't remember the average FPS with that system, but I do remember the frustration of playing in downtown Boston.  I started reading performance guides, tweaking ini settings etc.  My first really big enhancement was updating the vanilla textures.  I used the "FO4 Texture Optimization" by Torcher.  This made a huge difference.  You can also use BethIni to get your ini settings in the ball park.  You should still read up on performance settings others have mentioned above.  Back up your ini files first.

 

Thuggysmurf has a guide that has some good information in it.  He even mentions being careful of beautification or visual mods that may overwrite some of the optimizations you have done.  Script heavy mods are also a concern.  Mods that delete things can cause performance issues or conflict with other mods.

 

I replaced my graphic card with a GTX 1070 about 3 years ago.  This combined with tweaking and optimizing made the game pretty good.  I still had the 4th generation i7 CPU but things were OK.  I upgraded the my HDD containing Windows and my games to SSD.  That also made improvements.

 

My current build has an 8700K CPU with an Nvidia RTX 2060 Super XC Ultra.  I went with 8700K instead of 9700K because the 9th generations do not support hyper threading.  I can always upgrade to an i9 later if the price to performance is better.  I can play on ultra settings with no problems.  I still cap my game at 60 FPS via enblocal.ini.  Most of the time it never moves.  In Boston it can go down in the 50's but just briefly.

 

You have probably already done so but optimizing and tweaking you can do now without spending any money.

You can get an SSD which will improve performance.  You can buy a newer graphic card like  a 1060 or 1070 and save more than I paid for mine since they are older now.

I had to wait for a new system build to change my CPU.  I don't like to remove a CPU once it is installed in the mother board.  I replace the MB with the CPU.

Fallout Performance Monitor is a nifty utility that allows you to view memory and VRAM usage, Framerate, CPU and GPU temperatures and others in game.  Gamer Poet has a video explaining how to install it.

 

 

[ARO57]

i need help

thats the best forum i know so i posted it here 
i installed Fallout 4 new Install without Mods i just use BILAGO Launcher

 

the Problem is it looks like fps drops i dont realy good with fps knowledge. it loading really slow im in the menu of game and i press new game after 2-3min. ntro video starts after that i can hear the window wish befor create character and it does nothing cause it looks it loads much to long and i cant start like this 

one time i playd fallout 4 for 1-2 years all was good i dont understand cause now i had a better graphic card as before:

 

windwos 7,64bit home

amd quad 2.8ghz  10gb

graphic amd rx 570 4gb 

 

so all the stuff is ok i show you now my fallout4 prefs 

[Display]
flocalShadowMapHalveEveryXUnit=750.0000
focusShadowMapDoubleEveryXUnit=450.0000
fShadowBiasScale=1.0000
fDirShadowDistance=3000
fShadowDistance=3000
uiOrthoShadowFilter=2
uiShadowFilter=2
iShadowMapResolution=2048
uPipboyTargetHeight=700
uPipboyTargetWidth=876
iVolumetricLightingQuality=0
bVolumetricLightingEnable=1
bSAOEnable=1
iDirShadowSplits=2
bVolumetricLightingForceCasters=0
iTiledLightingMinLights=40
bComputeShaderDeferredTiledLighting=1
iMaxFocusShadowsDialogue=4
iMaxFocusShadows=2
bForceIgnoreSmoothness=0
fBlendSplitDirShadow=48
bSinglePassDirShadow=1
bEnableWetnessMaterials=1
fTessFactorMaxDistanceScale=100.0000
sAntiAliasing=TAA
fLeafAnimDampenDistEnd=4600.0000
fLeafAnimDampenDistStart=3600.0000
fMeshLODFadePercentDefault=1.2000
fMeshLODFadeBoundDefault=256.0000
fMeshLODFadeScalar=1.0000
fMeshLODLevel2FadeTreeDistance=2048.0000
fMeshLODLevel1FadeTreeDistance=2844.0000
fInteriorMeshLODLevel2FadeDist=1950.0000
fInteriorMeshLODLevel1FadeDist=2600.0000
fMeshLODLevel2FadeDist=3000
fMeshLODLevel1FadeDist=6000
iMaxAnisotropy=16
iPresentInterval=0
bTopMostWindow=0
bMaximizeWindow=0
bBorderless=1
bFull Screen=1
iSize H=768
iSize W=1360
bAllowShadowcasterNPCLights=0
iScreenShotIndex=0
fMaxFocusShadowMapDistance=450.0000
bPrecipitationOcclusion=1
iMaxSkinDecalsPerFrame=3
iMaxDecalsPerFrame=10
sD3DDevice="Radeon RX 570 Series"
iTexMipMapSkip=1
bEnableRainOcclusion=1
iAdapter=0

 

the only idea i had was to install windwos framework ++4.5 i even had direct x 11 

the biggest problem is i cant understand the problem i tried even to windowed game and all these stuff but it doesnt help me to and bethesda forum cant find anything about the problem

i tried to do all against fps problem idk its the cause or not  

i even set iPresentInterval=0 to 0 what the most problem causes.i think i remember was launcher doesnt see my graphic card but thats fixed idk how i did this. the problem is like stutter and its slow when i press new game i even cant play like this its like you buy a game and cant play it i realy hopefull someone can help me here cause i had no much ideas anymore

[EgoBallistic]

2 hours ago, ARO57 said:

iAdapter=0

It sounds like the game is running on your motherboard's integrated graphics adapter and not the 570

 

Make sure the video cable is plugged into the 570 and not the motherboard

try setting iAdapter to 1.  If that doesn't work, see if there is an option in your BIOS to disable the onboard graphics card.

[ARO57]

im glad to hear that cause thats in my mind to thanks for the help to set adapter to 1 do you know how can i find it under bios?

[Guest]

No I have a RX 580 8GB and my prefs state iAdapter=0 and it's certainly not running off my integrated graphics that comes with my MB. Setting iAdpater=1 should only make it read your graphics card correctly in prefs on the sD3DDevice= line.

 

I'd run https://www.systemrequirementslab.com/cyri/requirements/fallout-4/12905 and see if you meet all the minimum requirements. You don't need to but if it says your not meeting the required ram or processor speed that could cause a slightly slower upstart with a modded game especially a Loverslab AAF setup. But after everything loads in and AAF initializes to 100% you should have decent frames.

 

I'd definitely install this https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/978

and this https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/26286

if you haven't hell enb boost won't hurt either.

[ARO57]

i think i need a new power adapter but not sure i will see monday

[ARO57]

its a great site thank you for it he says i can play at the minimum cause my cpu isnt that good but ok i played before fallout with a 2gb graphic card without any problem but i just its the new graphic card and there is to little electricy im not sure but thats rthe feeling i have cause if i tried to start new game and i need to cause i did a new install its realy realy slow its not normal like this i cant play BUT it shows all maybe i did somewhere a bad setting? all what i was doin to fix mostly i did it back if i see it doesnt help for the game i see that my graphic card 2 months old driver but im sure its not the problem rightnow i install now the new one 

[ARO57]

and the mods that you linked me i need to try later for now i just want to try to play the game without mods till the time i can play without issue its not worth to install mods now ect i dindt even come to anything cause its all very very slow the video intro after new game is normal fast no problem but ingame i can forget

[bajs11]

or you could create your own thread

I actually thought you are the OP...

but yeah, if your cpu is the FX series then you may need an upgrade since AMD Bulldozer cpus were known to be much worse than intel CPUs with less cores.

 

 

Here is a very good comparison between the more recent CPUs and shows that an older intel i7 with only 4core 8threads is still good for even the latest and most demanding games despite what some people have said:

 

[woolsack]

With the right combination of performance mods texture mods and .ini tweaks you can make this game run on a 2007 potato PC with a GPU that supports direct x 11. The beauty of potato powered graphic engine games.

 

It is just shameful a triple A studio uses a engine that was made before OBLIVION it's the same engine used to make Morrowind YES you heard that right it has seen some updates obviously but at the core the GE of Fallout 4 was made before 2002  ...

 

I made  it work just for a laugh on a ancient pc I have that I can't make myself just throw in the trash A intel core 2 duo e 6700 (2006 cpu)  (ancient Asus mother board with a lga775 socket from like 2006) GT 730 the 64 bit version that has 300+ cuda cores , and 3.5 GB ram DDR2 everything except the GPU that's like dirt cheap (no direct X 11 back then) is like 2006 tech  .... It was  .......... not pleasant but it worked at like 20-35 fps. So Bethesda games are trash the modding community is what turns them from coal into diamonds .... So if I can make the game run on a potato WHY THE FUCK can't they make it run on my decent gaming rig at a smooth 60 fps and it sometimes drops to 40 or even 30 in some areas . hARD CAP AT 60 is I remove the cap the game SPEED increases most weirdest shit ever .... it runs at 200 fps no big fps drops but it's not playable because it fucks the game speed it's like on fast forward also the gpu starts making air plane noises .... Fuck you Todd Howard you corporate greedy pile of human filth ....