Draknowin Posted November 1, 2019 Posted November 1, 2019 I've spent days trying to troubleshoot this on my own, so now I bring this here for help - for reasons I can't figure out, Skyrim (Legendary, not SE) is crashing. It's mostly predictable, being when I leave the general area I started in, which leads me to think it's something buggering up terrain or spawns, but it's not always exactly the same place. I'm including my load order, as well as some other misc info. > Using ModOrganizer 2 > Using ENBoost, set up correctly AFAIK > Problem persists for New Games > (EDIT) Load order is what LOOT assigned, since I realized I neglected to mention that. > (EDIT) I am using Crash Fixes and the SKSE Preloader, as well. If there's something I need to provide that I've forgotten, let me know and I'll add it as well. loadorder.txt
Heroine HoneyCrotch Posted November 1, 2019 Posted November 1, 2019 You using MO, go in with only mods that use fnis, should be good, then add chunks a mods at a time and find culprit. I would do that after getting your load order in better order, I don't even think Loot would spit that out,do you use Loot? As long as you didn't switch over to MO from other without having had verified the integrity of game files through steam you shouldn't have hard time, faulty mod or load order. Here's a good link for Load Order, scroll down to Load Order. Do you have anything for memory allocation fix? like skse ini or crashfixes? Can't avoid this. https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/13608/?tab=forum&topic_id=6250591
Draknowin Posted November 1, 2019 Author Posted November 1, 2019 7 minutes ago, Heroine of the Night said: You using MO, go in with only mods that use fnis, should be good, then add chunks a mods at a time and find culprit. I would do that after getting your load order in better order, I don't even think Loot would spit that out,do you use Loot? As long as you didn't switch over to MO from other without having had verified the integrity of game files through steam you shouldn't have hard time, faulty mod or load order. Here's a good link for Load Order, scroll down to Load Order. Do you have anything for memory allocation fix? like skse ini or crashfixes? Can't avoid this. https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/13608/?tab=forum&topic_id=6250591 I did use Loot, actually - that's the load order it gave me. Yes I have Crashfixes, as well.
Grey Cloud Posted November 1, 2019 Posted November 1, 2019 52 minutes ago, Draknowin said: It's mostly predictable, being when I leave the general area I started in Do you mean when you do an area transition? I doubt it has anything to do with FNIS. When did it start happening? If you have ENBoost set up correctly it will have a message to that effect in the top left during game load. Do you use Crash Fixes and SKSE Plug-in Preloader? (You should). Your load order looks a little too alphabetical to me.
Grey Cloud Posted November 1, 2019 Posted November 1, 2019 8 minutes ago, Draknowin said: I did use Loot, actually - that's the load order it gave me. Yes I have Crashfixes, as well. Ninjad. Okay, so is that the LOOT which comes with MO or the full LOOT and is it set up correctly vis-a-vis MO? It definitely doesn't look right to me.
Draknowin Posted November 1, 2019 Author Posted November 1, 2019 1 minute ago, Grey Cloud said: Do you mean when you do an area transition? I doubt it has anything to do with FNIS. When did it start happening? If you have ENBoost set up correctly it will have a message to that effect in the top left during game load. Do you use Crash Fixes and SKSE Plug-in Preloader? (You should). Your load order looks a little too alphabetical to me. If by area transition you mean a loading screen, then no - it can happen just by running from one area to another. As for when it started happening, I can't really pinpoint that. I had to reinstall the game at some point, and I haven't been able to play since. Like I said to someone else, I am using Crash Fixes and the SKSE Preloader. And if my load order isn't set up right, then LOOT botched it - I'm just using what it gave me. I'm not entirely sure what I need to tweak from there, which is part of the problem.
Draknowin Posted November 1, 2019 Author Posted November 1, 2019 3 minutes ago, Grey Cloud said: Ninjad. Okay, so is that the LOOT which comes with MO or the full LOOT and is it set up correctly vis-a-vis MO? It definitely doesn't look right to me. That was full LOOT, run through MO. I know about MO's 'Sort' button being... not ideal.
Grey Cloud Posted November 1, 2019 Posted November 1, 2019 First thing - double-check you have ENBoost, Crash Fixes, SKSE Plugin Preloader set up correctly. Next you didn't get that load order from LOOT. LOOT's load orders number the plugins. So second thing would be to double-check you have LOOt correctly set up to work with MO2. 11 minutes ago, Draknowin said: from one area to another Still not sure what you are meaning by 'area'. 11 minutes ago, Draknowin said: I had to reinstall the game at some point, and I haven't been able to play since. Are you saying that some time ago you re-installed Skyrim and then did not play or test it? Now, after a period of time you have come back to the game and it has this problem?
Grey Cloud Posted November 1, 2019 Posted November 1, 2019 Just FYI here is a chunk of my LO from LOOT (I use NMM but it doesn't matter). 0 0 Skyrim.esm 1 1 Update.esm 2 2 Dawnguard.esm 3 3 HearthFires.esm 4 4 Dragonborn.esm 5 5 Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp 6 6 EFFCore.esm 7 7 RaceCompatibility.esm 8 8 SGHairPackBase.esm 9 9 WM Flora Fixes.esp 10 a CreatureFramework.esm 11 b ZaZAnimationPack.esm 12 c SexLab.esm 13 d SexLabAroused.esm 14 e PSQ PlayerSuccubusQuest.esm 15 f Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm 16 10 RSkyrimChildren.esm 17 11 Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp 18 12 RaceMenuMorphsUUNP.esp 19 13 RaceMenu.esp 20 14 RaceMenuPlugin.esp 21 15 ljtynpc.esp 22 16 FNIS.esp 23 17 FNIS_PCEA2.esp 24 18 FNISSexyMove.esp 25 19 RelightingSkyrim_Legendary.esp 26 1a SCO Summer Edition.esp 27 1b FISS.esp 28 1c AMatterOfTime.esp 29 1d CitrusHead - Standalone.esp 30 1e CustomRaces.esp 31 1f DEM_Privat.esp 32 20 EFFDialogue.esp 33 21 Eyes of Aber.esp 34 22 RaceCompatibilityUSKPOverride.esp 35 23 iHUD.esp 36 24 Dalight.esp 37 25 KS Hairdo's.esp 38 26 Modern Brawl Bug Fix.esp 39 27 SGHairPackAIO.esp 40 28 SimpleOutfitManager.esp 41 29 TheAmazingWorldOfBikiniArmor.esp 42 2a The Eyes Of Beauty - Elves Edition.esp 43 2b Extraordinary Hags.esp 44 2c immersive roads.esp 45 2d Complete Crafting Overhaul_Remade.esp 46 2e Complete Alchemy & Cooking Overhaul.esp 47 2f JKs LITE - Towns BETA.esp 48 30 Skyrim Immersive Creatures.esp 49 31 SkyFalls + SkyMills + DG + DB.esp XPMSE.esp 50 32 SOSRaceMenu.esp 51 33 SkyUI.esp 52 34 AchieveThat.esp 53 35 SLAnimLoader.esp 54 36 Summermyst - Enchantments of Skyrim.esp 55 37 NASB(After).esp 56 38 Training - No Limits.esp 57 39 UnreadBooksGlow.esp 58 3a Artifact Disenchanting Merge.esp 59 3b High Level Enemies Merge.esp 60 3c OBIS.esp 61 3d Settlements Expanded.esp 62 3e Honeypopcorn Skyrim Overhaul.esp 63 3f MoreNastyCritters.esp 64 40 Skyrim Immersive Creatures - DLC2.esp 65 41 JKs LITE - Cities.esp 66 42 High Level Enemies - SIC.esp 67 43 BDIC.esp 68 44 SC07SexLabRandomAttack.esp 69 45 SexLab Aroused Creatures.esp 70 46 nhaSimpleSexing.esp 71 47 SLA Monitor Widget.esp 72 48 Sexlab TDF Aggressive Prostitution.esp 73 49 UIExtensions.esp 74 4a AddItemMenuLE.esp 75 4b beinz_plugin.esp 76 4c SFO_SkinFeatureOverlays.esp 77 4d IcePenguinWorldMap.esp 78 4e Luxurious Seduction.esp 79 4f SLAL_AnimationsByLeito.esp 80 50 OBISDB.esp 81 51 Follower Margery.esp 82 52 Follower Dina.esp 83 53 Follower Zun.esp 84 54 Bijin Merge.esp 85 55 Schlongs Merge.esp 86 56 Brows Merge.esp 87 57 Settlements Expanded - RS Children Overhaul Patch.esp
Heroine HoneyCrotch Posted November 1, 2019 Posted November 1, 2019 Looty Loot, I assumed it would of clumped the devious mods together, haven't used Loot in a long time. If you got CrashFixes then your good on memory allocation, what does crashfixes report for the cause of CTD?, pretty sure it has feature informing user of cause of crash. MO, I would deactivate all mods except fnis related mods and alt start and confirm your good there. If your base was good when you installed MO it's good now, doesnt look like you too many animations installed, i'm guessing you got a couple mods not playing nice wether its LO or maybe bad mod. Do the test with only 20 or so mods then add mods and find problem. Look at the ETAC link for Load Order, when you get to where you have a lot mods, fair amount LL mods, you should consider manually doing LO.
Draknowin Posted November 1, 2019 Author Posted November 1, 2019 12 minutes ago, Grey Cloud said: First thing - double-check you have ENBoost, Crash Fixes, SKSE Plugin Preloader set up correctly. Next you didn't get that load order from LOOT. LOOT's load orders number the plugins. So second thing would be to double-check you have LOOt correctly set up to work with MO2. Still not sure what you are meaning by 'area'. Are you saying that some time ago you re-installed Skyrim and then did not play or test it? Now, after a period of time you have come back to the game and it has this problem? By 'area' I mean, for example, I choose to start outside Helgen (from Alt Start). Then I run, say, towards Riverwood, leaving the area I started in. That tends to CTD. It's not specifically Helgen/Riverwood, that was just an example. And as for LOOT not spitting that load order out, I was giving the load order file from MO2. In spoiler below is the one from LOOT, but unless I'm blind, they're the same. 0 0 Skyrim.esm 1 1 Update.esm 2 2 Dawnguard.esm 3 3 HearthFires.esm 4 4 Dragonborn.esm 5 5 Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp 6 6 UnlimitedBookshelves.esp 7 7 RaceCompatibility.esm 8 8 SexLab.esm 9 9 SexLabAroused.esm 10 a ApachiiHair.esm 11 b ApachiiHairFemales.esm 12 c ApachiiHairMales.esm 13 d CreatureFramework.esm 14 e PSQ PlayerSuccubusQuest.esm 15 f Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm 16 10 SharedSeranaDialogue.esm 17 11 Devious Devices - Assets.esm 18 12 Campfire.esm 19 13 ZaZAnimationPack.esm 20 14 Devious Devices - Integration.esm 21 15 Devious Devices - Expansion.esm 22 16 daymoyl.esm 23 17 BadDogSchlongCore.esm 24 18 hdtHighHeel.esm 25 19 Reanimate Disintegration Fix.esp 26 1a Succubus Heart.esp 27 1b AkaSpouseWardrobe.esp 28 1c WM Flora Fixes.esp 29 1d Cutting Room Floor.esp 30 1e Weapons & Armor Fixes_Remade.esp 31 1f Clothing & Clutter Fixes.esp zzEstrus.esp 32 20 SkyUI.esp 33 21 AchieveThat.esp 34 22 CollegeOfWinterholdImmersive.esp 35 23 Complete Crafting Overhaul_Remade.esp 36 24 Complete Alchemy & Cooking Overhaul.esp 37 25 Relationship Dialogue Overhaul.esp 38 26 Book Covers Skyrim.esp 39 27 Skyrim Immersive Creatures.esp 40 28 AkaVolkiharCastleReborn.esp 41 29 FISS.esp 42 2a AMatterOfTime.esp 43 2b HearthfireMultiKid.esp 44 2c SkyFalls + SkyMills + DG + DB.esp 45 2d Thunderchild - Epic Shout Package.esp 46 2e MoreNastyCritters.esp 47 2f SexLab_DibellaCult.esp 48 30 Skyrim Immersive Creatures - DLC2.esp 49 31 Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp 50 32 hearthfireextended.esp 51 33 Thieves Guild Requirements.esp 52 34 tcbm.esp 53 35 SexLab_Solutions.esp 54 36 AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp 55 37 Andromeda - Unique Standing Stones of Skyrim.esp 56 38 BFT Ships and Carriages.esp 57 39 Sacrosanct - Vampires of Skyrim.esp 58 3a Summermyst - Enchantments of Skyrim.esp Weapons & Armor_TrueWeaponsLvlLists.esp 59 3b Unique Unique.esp 60 3c sanguinesDebauchery.esp 61 3d SexLabSkoomaWhore.esp 62 3e SMIM-Merged-All.esp 63 3f PrvtI_HeavyArmory.esp 64 40 UUNP Vanilla Outfits.esp 65 41 BeastessLair.esp 66 42 Deviously Cursed Loot.esp 67 43 Immersive Patrols II.esp 68 44 Hunterborn.esp 69 45 HornyCreatures.esp 70 46 Skooming Skyrim by BigBizkit.esp 71 47 Hunterborn_CACO_Patch.esp 72 48 Frostfall.esp 73 49 SexLab-AmorousAdventures.esp 74 4a SexLab_Dialogues.esp 75 4b SexLab-Parasites.esp 76 4c BetterDeadThralls.esp 77 4d CaranthirTowerReborn.esp 78 4e Immersive Speechcraft.esp 79 4f DA_Skyship.esp 80 50 AngrimApprentice.esp 81 51 Animated Dragon Wings.esp 82 52 Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp 83 53 hothtrooper44_ArmorPatch.esp 84 54 Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul Lite.esp 85 55 SpousesEnhanced.esp 86 56 The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp 87 57 Brevi_MoonlightTales.esp 88 58 ESFCompanions.esp 89 59 imp_helm_legend.esp 90 5a TropicalIsland.esp 91 5b SexLab Eager NPCs.esp 92 5c HeartfireBalconies.esp 93 5d iNeed.esp 94 5e HFE-CRF-Patch.esp 95 5f ImprovedHearthfireLighting.esp 96 60 Marriable Serana.esp 97 61 My Home Is Your Home.esp 98 62 Apocalypse - The Spell Package.esp 99 63 VioLens.esp 100 64 Bathing in Skyrim - Main.esp 101 65 Bathing in Skyrim - Hunterborn.esp 102 66 BDHoodieSchlong.esp 103 67 More Interesting Loot for Skyrim.esp 104 68 Schlongs of Skyrim.esp 105 69 BDLoincloth.esp 106 6a Bound Armory Extravaganza.esp 107 6b BuryTheDead.esp 108 6c Vivid Landscapes.esp 109 6d DarkManeuvers.esp 110 6e VLCollisionFix.esp 111 6f Wildcat - Combat of Skyrim.esp 112 70 dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp 113 71 DeadlyDragons.esp 114 72 Devious Devices - BRRF.esp 115 73 WerewolfPerksExpanded.esp 116 74 DSerArcheryGameplayOverhaul.esp 117 75 EstrusChaurus.esp 118 76 EstrusSpider.esp 119 77 Extended UI.esp 120 78 Female Argonian Tail Patch.esp 121 79 Tainted_Blood.esp 122 7a GIST soul trap.esp 123 7b GoToBed.esp 124 7c HearthfireMultiKid_LastName.esp 125 7d Hunterborn_Campfire_Patch.esp 126 7e IcePenguinWorldMap.esp 127 7f Illustrious HDT Cloaks.esp 128 80 Imperious - Races of Skyrim.esp 129 81 Tainted_Blood_Imperious_Compatibility_Patch.esp 130 82 IndividualizedShoutCooldowns.esp 131 83 JaxonzEnhGrab.esp 132 84 JaxonzRenamer.esp 133 85 Real Feeding V3.esp 134 86 konahrik_accoutrements_dpe.esp 135 87 LPBards.esp 136 88 LPBardsAnduniel.esp 137 89 LustyArgonianMaid&SultryArgonianBard.esp 138 8a Mage Outfit Texture Overhaul.esp 139 8b Marriable Serana HF.esp 140 8c P1FlyingRing.esp 141 8d MoreBrains.esp 142 8e MorePP.esp 143 8f nazonootokoAnimSLAL.esp 144 90 TheEyesOfBeauty.esp 145 91 Perk Points at Skill Levels 50-75-100.esp 146 92 PlushArgonianFeathers.esp 147 93 PrvtIRoyalArmory.esp 148 94 RaceMenu.esp 149 95 RaceMenuMorphsUUNP.esp 150 96 RaceMenuPlugin.esp 151 97 Reduced Distance NPC Greetings.esp 152 98 Serana.esp 153 99 Valerica.esp 154 9a SexLab Vanilla Voices.esp 155 9b SexLab_DibellaCult_Sisters.esp 156 9c SexLabDefeat.esp 157 9d SexLabMatchMaker.esp 158 9e SexLabTools.esp 159 9f SexLabWerewolves.esp 160 a0 Sexual Vampire Feed.esp 161 a1 SkyFalls Dragonborn Small waterfalls.esp 162 a2 SkyTweak.esp 163 a3 SL_CreaturesInHeat.esp 164 a4 SLA Monitor Widget.esp 165 a5 SLAL_AnimationsByLeito.esp 166 a6 SLALAnimObjBillyy.esp 167 a7 SLAnimLoader.esp 168 a8 SOS - VectorPlexus Regular Addon.esp 169 a9 SOSRaceMenu.esp 170 aa SpousesEnhanced_Serana.esp 171 ab TakeNotes.esp 172 ac ThaneWeaponsReborn.esp 173 ad The Eyes Of Beauty - Elves Edition.esp 174 ae TheCoenaculiUNP.esp 175 af Thief skills rebalance for Ordinator.esp 176 b0 UIExtensions.esp 177 b1 UnreadBooksGlow.esp 178 b2 SuccubusRaceLite.esp 179 b3 dc-untamed-000.esp 180 b4 PSQTweaks.esp 181 b5 JZBai_Hidespots.esp 182 b6 Succubus Queen Attire.esp 183 b7 CustomMapMarkerRedone.esp 184 b8 SexLab Strapon.esp 185 b9 Starting Spell Choice.esp 186 ba Darklilith.esp 187 bb 12FemaleBrows.esp 188 bc SLSO.esp 189 bd SLSO_PSA.esp 190 be BDHoodieFemale.esp CuttingRoomFloorRemoveAltArmorEffect.esp dc-untamed-100-stfu-spriggan.esp dc-untamed-100-stfu-wolf.esp dD-DG-DB-Immersive Creatures EBT Patch.esp dD-Medium Script Range.esp dD-Reduced Splatter Size.esp dD-Reduced Wound Size.esp 191 bf More Draconic Dragon Aspect - Powered Edition.esp 192 c0 More Draconic Dragon Aspect - Wings.esp More Draconic Dragon Aspect - Flying Mod Addon.esp RaceCompatibilityUSKPOverride.esp 193 c1 Sacrosanct - Dark Maneuvers Patch.esp sandboxcylinderheight.esp 194 c2 SCS_RacePatch_Succubus.esp Thunderchild - Dragon Language Words Patch.esp WM Trap Fixes.esp 195 c3 CWICRFPatch.esp 196 c4 GoToBed-Hunterborn-patch.esp XPMSE.esp 197 c5 FNIS.esp 198 c6 FNISspells.esp 199 c7 FNIS_PCEA2.esp 200 c8 FNISSexyMove.esp 201 c9 BDIC.esp 202 ca RDO - CACO Patch.esp 203 cb RDO - iAFT Patch.esp 204 cc RDO - Cutting Room Floor Patch.esp 205 cd dD Enchanted Chests.esp 206 ce Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp 207 cf Apocalypse - Ordinator Compatibility Patch.esp 208 d0 CWIOrdinatorPatch.esp 209 d1 CACO-Ordinatored.esp 210 d2 Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp 211 d3 Alternate Start -- New Beginnings.esp 212 d4 Starting Spell Choice - Life Another Life Patch.esp 213 d5 Bashed Patch, 0.esp 214 d6 EzEMapSolstheim.esp 215 d7 EzEWorldMap.esp
Grey Cloud Posted November 1, 2019 Posted November 1, 2019 9 minutes ago, Heroine of the Night said: If you got CrashFixes then your good on memory allocation, what does crashfixes report for the cause of CTD?, pretty sure it has feature informing user of cause of crash. If Crash Fixes is not configured correctly then one is not 'good on memory allocation'. Crash Fixes does not give details of every CTD and even when it does say something it is usually a generalised guess, e.g. listing the last several files which were accessed by Skyrim. 12 minutes ago, Heroine of the Night said: If your base was good when you installed S/He and we have no idea whether the base game was stable if it was re-installed and not touched. So the first thing to do would be to find out if the base game is stable.
Grey Cloud Posted November 1, 2019 Posted November 1, 2019 12 minutes ago, Draknowin said: In spoiler below is the one from LOOT, but unless I'm blind, they're the same. Fair enough. This is a long shot - what version of MNC are you using? There was an issue a couple of months ago with the then current version of MNC (v12.something) and Crash Fixes which was causing crashes (near animals).
Draknowin Posted November 1, 2019 Author Posted November 1, 2019 14 minutes ago, Grey Cloud said: Fair enough. This is a long shot - what version of MNC are you using? There was an issue a couple of months ago with the then current version of MNC (v12.something) and Crash Fixes which was causing crashes (near animals). I'm... not 100% sure which version it was - it was the most recent version I could've gotten by 2019-05-24, though. MO does not like tracking version numbers of non-Nexus mods, and I neglected to put it in the mod name in MO's display. Should I get the most recent version, or is that issue still a thing?
Grey Cloud Posted November 1, 2019 Posted November 1, 2019 4 minutes ago, Draknowin said: Should I get the most recent version, or is that issue still a thing? The issue has been resolved so the latest version would at least rule out the problem with Crash Fixes.
Heroine HoneyCrotch Posted November 1, 2019 Posted November 1, 2019 32 minutes ago, Grey Cloud said: S/He and we have no idea whether the base game was stable all a user has to do is verify integrity of game files through steam, real easy stuff
Grey Cloud Posted November 1, 2019 Posted November 1, 2019 9 minutes ago, Heroine of the Night said: all a user has to do is verify integrity of game files through steam, real easy stuff Wrong. That will not do anything for or about memory management.
Heroine HoneyCrotch Posted November 1, 2019 Posted November 1, 2019 8 minutes ago, Grey Cloud said: Wrong. That will not do anything for or about memory management. you need to work on your diet, something is very wrong there.
Draknowin Posted November 2, 2019 Author Posted November 2, 2019 I will say right now, either Grey Cloud was right and I just needed to update MNC, or I am a colossal moron. I simultaneously updated that mod, and when I was trying to test a more default setup, realized I had a 'mod' (that I created) holding some SKSE scripts and files in it, presumably because I didn't like them being in Overwrite. I also deleted that mod. I cannot be certain yet, but I've been able to play for much longer/wider an area than before, and I think I might just be a colossal moron.
GenioMaestro Posted November 2, 2019 Posted November 2, 2019 23 minutes ago, Draknowin said: I cannot be certain yet, but I've been able to play for much longer/wider an area than before, and I think I might just be a colossal moron. Aditionally, and only as recomendation, i see you are ussing Go to bed. Is a problematic mod with a long history of problems, corrupted games, SaveGame bloat... caused by the acumulation of scripts that never end. The mod has been updated this year and seems that the new version not have the historic problems but i not tested it and the comments show problems with the update. I recomend you, at least, be sure you are ussing the last version of Go to bed or better remove it and use Immersibe Beds.
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