InigoMontoya8675309 Posted October 1, 2019 Posted October 1, 2019 After you have established a load order that seems to be working fairly well, do you ever run BOSS and/or Wrye Bash again? Or do you recommend just leaving it alone and not using BOSS or sorting with Wrye Bash for that game?
fejeena Posted October 1, 2019 Posted October 1, 2019 I never use WyreBash. But if you have created a BashedPatch and you change your load order ( install or delete Mods ) you have to create the BashedPatch again. !!! And remember: NEVER Lovers/Tamago Mods in the BashedPatch !!!! And BOSS you run it once. BOSS put the Mods that it does not know at the end of the load order, you have to sort this Mods manually. If you run BOSS again you have to sort all "unknown" Mod again ( or you add the Mods in the BOSS masterlist.... but if the masterlist is updated you have to do it again ) When I install a new Mod I use the BOSS masterlist ( the text file) and open it with notepad++ , search the Mod. Then I know roughly where I have to place it, I search some of the Mods I have installed and in notepad++ you have line numbers, if the new Mod is line 13678 you check search the installed Mods with higher and lower line number. And if the Mod is not in the BOSS masterlist I sort manually ( clothes-armor Mods to installed clothes-armor Mods, Quest Mod to installed Quest Mods, Race mods to race mods,... ) I play Oblivion so many years I do not have BOSS installed, all the base Mods I always use I know the load order, and for new Mods I use the BOSS masterlist with notepad++
gregathit Posted October 1, 2019 Posted October 1, 2019 No. Unless you add or take something away, don't run them again. It will brick your save games.
Sladen2019 Posted October 2, 2019 Posted October 2, 2019 The newest version at Nexus comes with C Bash broken. Noone on their team at the moment is able to fix the C Bash problem apparently. If you need, I can post my version which is from October 22 2017 and has working C Bash. Bash Tags that are suggested by Boss need to be added manually., since newer versions of Wrye Bash work only with Loot for sorting. Bash Tags added in the description fields by mod authors, still get added fine.
fejeena Posted October 2, 2019 Posted October 2, 2019 ??? You do not use the newest WyreBash version with Oblivion! Wrye Bash - I recommend version 295 ( That say WyreBash users ( if I remember right gregathit said that) . I never used WyreBash . I only add the info in my yellow Link beblow ) And of course you never use LOOT with Oblivion.
Sladen2019 Posted October 2, 2019 Posted October 2, 2019 The only benefit to going wwwwaaaayyyyyyyy back to 295 is its ability to apply Bash Tags suggested by Boss. Suggested Bash Tags can always be manually applied/removed in new versions of Wrye Bash.
fejeena Posted October 2, 2019 Posted October 2, 2019 That's about what gregathit said, 295 was the last good Oblivion WyreBash version. And the new versions are for Skyrim, Fallout,... So why not use a version that can handle BOSS ? Why apply Bash Tags manually ? ( I do not know what Bash Tags are ) Is there anything version 295 can not do and you need it with Oblivion ? "Works with LOOT" is something you absolutely don't need. Reminds me of the CS Extender and TES4Edit. CSE Version 51 can do all you need ( newer versions only have more requirements) , And old TES4Edit versions can do all you need with one version ( newer versions need different renamed desktop shortcuts. You can not first check a esp , change some things and then start the cleaning, you have to close TES4Edit and then use the cleaning shortcut ... very user unfriendly ) Is there a good reason why you should use a newer version and not the 295 version which can do all you need and handle the Oblivion sorting tool BOSS ? EDIT: I found in my yellow Link what gregathit said about WyreBash. I copied it from on of his posts in my yellow Link. Use 295 version of WryeBash. The "new" versions were made for Skyrim and don't worth a shit for Oblivion.
Sladen2019 Posted October 2, 2019 Posted October 2, 2019 Bash Tags basically define which records should be placed into the Bashed Patch. A good article is at this link. https://wrye-bash.github.io/docs/Wrye Bash Advanced Readme.html#patch-tags Reasons to use newer versions include a greater range of bash tags support, and speed improvements to the reading of mods in the Installers tab and faster Bashed Patch building and more bugs squashed. They do include support for Loot, but I did not mean to suggest in any way that a user should use Loot over Boss. Boss can still sort mods fine for Wrye Bash users, no matter which version they use.
Zaragorov Posted October 2, 2019 Posted October 2, 2019 So making "c" bash patches with wrye bash is actually harming my game? :O? I have version... 307 (307.2018.704.57 from the properties of the .exe)? Should I be finding and switching to a different one?
Sladen2019 Posted October 2, 2019 Posted October 2, 2019 42 minutes ago, Zaragorov said: So making "c" bash patches with wrye bash is actually harming my game? :O? I have version... 307 (307.2018.704.57 from the properties of the .exe)? Should I be finding and switching to a different one? The version you are using is fine probably. Its recently that C Bash got broken somehow. C Bash is preferred. If no error messages pop up when making it, you are ok.
gregathit Posted October 3, 2019 Posted October 3, 2019 18 hours ago, Zaragorov said: So making "c" bash patches with wrye bash is actually harming my game? :O? I have version... 307 (307.2018.704.57 from the properties of the .exe)? Should I be finding and switching to a different one? For Oblivion I don't recommend any versions past 295. After 295 the makers of Wrye stopped supporting (or even caring) about Oblivion it seemed. I stopped testing new versions of Wyre past 303. It seemed that each new version of Wrye broke something new with Oblivion and fixed nothing that was broken from the previous versions. I have no idea if they finally fixed Wrye after 303 or not, so take this with a grain of salt. If sladen2019 is using it and not having issues then it might be fine. As to c bash patches breaking your game, I would doubt it as is stated above. If they do, you'll know it pretty quickly as you'll have tears in the landscape and other weirdness popping up, not to mention the dreaded CTD. Oblivion isn't shy about letting you know when things are not right. LOL! As to the whole LOOT vs BOSS. Stick to using BOSS for oblivion. LOOT is fantastic for FNV, Skyrim and Fallout 4. It sucks balls for Oblivion. It really sucks organizing Lovers with PK mods.
InigoMontoya8675309 Posted October 3, 2019 Author Posted October 3, 2019 Thanks everyone for the discussion. It is helping me learn more about BOSS, Wrye, etc. I didn't realize that the latest version of Wrye might not be the greatest - at least for Oblivion. I've been using 307.2018.704.57 , CBash v0.7.0 the whole time. As far as I can tell, it is OK. But I wonder if maybe some of the problems I had on previous Oblivion play could be due to this? I still get CTD about every 40 minutes, but this is much better than I was experiencing in my previous thread.
fejeena Posted October 3, 2019 Posted October 3, 2019 Have you read my yellow Link below? Do you have 4GB patcher, Oblivion Stutter Remover ? Or EngineBugFixes and ENB boost ? And Oblivion installed right? C : program files(x86) can cause problems
InigoMontoya8675309 Posted October 4, 2019 Author Posted October 4, 2019 17 hours ago, fejeena said: Have you read my yellow Link below? Do you have 4GB patcher, Oblivion Stutter Remover ? Or EngineBugFixes and ENB boost ? And Oblivion installed right? C : program files(x86) can cause problems Yes to all of the above, except for ENB boost. Despite following the directions carefully, I could never get it to function. I even used your .ini settings.
InigoMontoya8675309 Posted October 4, 2019 Author Posted October 4, 2019 2 hours ago, Sladen2019 said: Post your load order. Active Mod Files: 00 Oblivion.esm 01 All Natural Base.esm [Version 1.38] 02 Cobl Main.esm [Version 1.72] 03 CM Partners.esm ++ Cobl Tweaks.esp [Version 1.44] 04 Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp [Version 3.5.6] 05 UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp [Version 1.0.0] ++ Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp 06 DLCShiveringIsles.esp 07 Cobl Si.esp [Version 1.63] 08 Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp [Version 1.5.9] ** All Natural - MMM Patch.esp [Version 1.3] 09 Idle Dialogue.esp [Version 1.3] 0A All Natural - Real Lights.esp [Version 1.38] 0B WindowLightingSystem.esp 0C AliveWaters.esp 0D Griffon Fortress 6.53.esp 0E HoarfrostCastle.esp 0F All Natural.esp [Version 1.38] 10 Castle_Dunkerlore_V1.esp 11 Oblivion_Character_Overhaul.esp [Version 2.0] 12 Kvatch Rebuilt.esp [Version 3.0RC3] 13 GoldenShadowArmor.esp 14 Weapon Expansion Pack for Oblivion Nthusiasts.esp 15 All Natural - SI.esp [Version 1.38] 16 GOSH.esp 17 Faregyl.esp [Version 2.0.11] 18 RoadLights.esp 19 The Ayleid Steps.esp [Version 3.8.2] ** Grass Overhaul.esp 1A AnorielsCrossroadsManor1.2.esp 1B SenTineL's Legendary Weapons And Armors.esp ++ OCO_UOP_USIP_Patch.esp 1C Fighters Guild Quests.esp 1D mystery of mausoleum.esp 1E Immersive Interiors - Imperial City.esp [Version 1.5] 1F Dalls_Crown_Princess.esp 20 ShadowfangKeep.esp 21 Tona's_ModsStore.esp 22 AyleidMeteorIronWeaponsVANILLA.esp 23 TOTF.esp 24 AyleidMeteorIronWeaponsBASE.esp 25 Immersive Interiors.esp [Version 0.8.1] 26 Immersive Interiors - Bravil.esp 27 Immersive Interiors - Landscape Addon.esp 28 RTT.esp 29 CM Partners.esp 2A AliveWaters - Koi Addon.esp 2B AliveWaters - Slaughterfish Addon.esp 2C Days&Months.esp 2D BetterSaves.esp 2E Spell Delete And Item Remove.esp 2F PTArtifacts.esp 30 ExnemEyeCandy.esp 31 VipCxj_HighHeels.esp 32 Navel Piercings.esp 33 Navel Piercings Enchanted.esp 34 Sexy Killer.esp 35 AAbuiesdaqun.esp 36 CapesandCloaks.esp 37 CB Elegant Dress.esp 38 DarkIllusionArmor.esp 39 Dynasty.esp 3A EY_AoD.esp 3B HentaiDarkLilith.esp 3C HGEC Evening Dress.esp 3D LKF_EY_Vampirehunter.esp 3E Morrigan Armor Set v1_0.esp 3F Sorceress_Armors.esp 40 Sweet ranger costume.esp 41 Underworld Armor.esp 42 VipCxjHHTest.esp ++ Weapon Improvement Project.esp [Version 1.9] 43 ArynnsDrowWitchHGEC.esp 44 HGEC_SBVelvetRose.esp 45 R18PN - Amy Armor Set.esp 46 DianoArmor2.esp 47 The Sexy BeastV1.2.esp 48 Dark_Mistress.esp 49 Alluring Wine Bottles.esp ** OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp [Version 1.72] ** MMM-Cobl.esp [Version 1.69] 4A Abriael_Human.esp 4B Kvatch Rebuilt Weather Patch.esp 4C strotisAyleidClutter.esp ++ Carry all you want-5118.esp ++ Enemy Weapons dont drop.esp 4D Dungeon Actors Have Torches 1.6 CT.esp 4E Dungeon Actors Have Torches 1.6 DT.esp ++ Improved Fires and Flames - Increased Sound.esp 4F P1DkeyChain.esp [Version 5.00] 50 All+5AttributeModifiers.esp ++ Oblivion Character Overhaul Hair Edition.esp 51 Saerileth.esp 52 IDKRRR_C_race.esp 53 IDKRRR_C_race_closed_mouth_version.esp 54 Synx.esp 55 1em_Vilja.esp [Version 4.04] 56 X.Races.Comp.esp 57 Apachii_Heroes_Store.esp 58 CM Partners More NPCs.esp 59 Chapel Shop.esp 5A Emertxe.esp 5B Fall Hair Wig Shop - EV.esp 5C Fall Hair Wig Shop - DV.esp 5D AliveWaters_nofish.esp 5E DACompilation_GO_SI_APN.esp 5F CM Partners NPC.esp 60 CM Partner Liana.esp 61 kgt_Avve.esp 62 Ace's Warlock Gear.esp 63 HTBNeoSGOutfitsRedone.esp 64 Apachii_Goddess_Store.esp 65 Companion Neeshka.esp 66 Andragorn_Weapons_Armors.esp 67 KDCirclets.esp 68 KDClothCirclets.esp 69 Apachii_Wigs_MaleFemale.esp 6A CM Partners Extra NPCs.esp 6B Companion_Ab_Human_4.esp 6C CM Partners Special NPCs.esp 6D CM Partners Marker NPCs.esp 6E 1SB_LethalMajestyOutfit.esp 6F DFSLoutfits.esp 70 Neo's LandCH.esp 71 CuteElf11.esp [Version 1.3.5] 72 DAValeriaCuteElf.esp ** OCO_DLCHorseArmor_Patch.esp ** OCO_DLCOrrery_Patch.esp ++ OCO_DLCMehrunesRazor_Patch.esp ** OCO_DLCThievesDen_Patch.esp ++ OCO_KvatchRebuilt_Patch.esp ** OCO_KnightsOTN_Patch.esp 73 DFSLLatexDream.esp 74 PotionReplacer.esp 75 Companion Neeshka OCO Nord.esp 76 GizmodianEclipseResource.esp 77 strotisWillOWispLights.esp 78 GizmodianEclipseWarlock.esp 79 Driftwood.esp 7A Sinbloods_Nightweave_HGEC.esp ** All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp [Version 1.38] ++ Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp [Version 1.53] 7B Bashed Patch, 0.esp
InigoMontoya8675309 Posted October 4, 2019 Author Posted October 4, 2019 I'm not sure if it is helpful, but I've had to stop several optional questlines part-way through because they seem to be causing errors. I will get deep into the quests and start with a lot of CTD problems. Going back an hour or two and starting from an old save (then NOT resuming the quest lines) seems to improve things. This happened on the Castle Dunkelore quest lines, Hoarfrost Castle quest lines, Kvatch Rebuilt, and Ruined Tail's Tale.
Sladen2019 Posted October 4, 2019 Posted October 4, 2019 Did you take any of the advice at all in your previous thread ? Still using your same old character and saves ? People that ignore advice given to them and continue to ask for advice and assistance tend to get ignored.
InigoMontoya8675309 Posted October 4, 2019 Author Posted October 4, 2019 26 minutes ago, Sladen2019 said: Did you take any of the advice at all in your previous thread ? Still using your same old character and saves ? People that ignore advice given to them and continue to ask for advice and assistance tend to get ignored. No. I started a completely new character from scratch. LOL...I didn't want to, but I knew I really didn't have much choice. I even reduced the total number of mods before running BOSS and rebuilding a new bash patch for the new character.
InigoMontoya8675309 Posted October 4, 2019 Author Posted October 4, 2019 I have a completely clean Oblivion with SI in a separate location on my hard drive. And I really, really don't want to have to scrap everything and go with that. But this is my third run-through and I keep getting to around level 10-12 ( maybe 60-100 hours...I take my time and enjoy playing when it works) before CTDs become somewhat unreasonable and I can't figure out the cause.
Sladen2019 Posted October 4, 2019 Posted October 4, 2019 Since you cannot get ENBoost to work, you should give Oblivion Reloaded a try. It has an excellent memory feature. Specifically MemoryManagement =1 in OblivionReloaded.ini under [Main]. It also has an additional memory purger feature that you can use, but you may or may not need it. I don't need it for my install. These days it comes with some extra features that you may or may not want to use. They can be disabled. Here is a good article on everything it does. https://www.nexusmods.com/oblivion/articles/44296 When you make a save, try to do it in small interior areas that have minimal activity going on. Do not make or load quick saves. When it is saving, make sure the light on your pc/laptop isnt blinking before moving on. If you die, do not load a save game again in that same game. Close Oblivion and reopen it to try again. Loading saves more than once in the same game is not advised for modded installs.
InigoMontoya8675309 Posted October 4, 2019 Author Posted October 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, Sladen2019 said: Since you cannot get ENBoost to work, you should give Oblivion Reloaded a try. It has an excellent memory feature. Specifically MemoryManagement =1 in OblivionReloaded.ini under [Main]. It also has an additional memory purger feature that you can use, but you may or may not need it. I don't need it for my install. These days it comes with some extra features that you may or may not want to use. They can be disabled. Here is a good article on everything it does. https://www.nexusmods.com/oblivion/articles/44296 When you make a save, try to do it in small interior areas that have minimal activity going on. Do not make or load quick saves. When it is saving, make sure the light on your pc/laptop isnt blinking before moving on. If you die, do not load a save game again in that same game. Close Oblivion and reopen it to try again. Loading saves more than once in the same game is not advised for modded installs. Thank you, I will definitely look into oblivion reloaded. Can I use Oblivion Reloaded with this latest character's save games, or would I need to start another new game? Is this memory manager you are talking about similar to purging cell buffers with the console command?
Sladen2019 Posted October 4, 2019 Posted October 4, 2019 You can use it with your current games just fine. The memory feature I was referring to is differnt than purging cells. It does also come with a purge feature that I do not use/need. Its explained in that article. The article mentions Game Boost and Darn UI, They are optional. I use neither of them myself. I disabled most of ORs features. I just use it for its graphics and memory management. The article also mentions using older versions. The current latest is 70. You can use 7.0 if you dont use the mod called Enhanced Camera.
InigoMontoya8675309 Posted October 4, 2019 Author Posted October 4, 2019 5 minutes ago, Sladen2019 said: You can use it with your current games just fine. The memory feature I was referring to is differnt than purging cells. It does also come with a purge feature that I do not use/need. Its explained in that article. The article mentions Game Boost and Darn UI, They are optional. I use neither of them myself. I disabled most of ORs features. I just use it for its graphics and memory management. The article also mentions using older versions. The current latest is 70. You can use 7.0 if you dont use the mod called Enhanced Camera. OK, thank you again! So, the graphic features of OR just enhance things like QTP and other texture packs? They don't conflict with each other? And reading the information, I will probably disable OR weather because I use all Natural, etc.
Sladen2019 Posted October 4, 2019 Posted October 4, 2019 QTP3 is compatible with OR, but you should set POM = 0 in OblivionReloaded.ini under Shaders. Yeah you can disable ORs weather since you use All Natural.
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