Sky-Littles (SkyLs). . . mod pre-planning!

[DatWombat]

Hello Everyone!

So I've been on uh, hiatus. We'll just stick to that. Computer troubles really, but I've got a new PC coming in the mail. Now I really, really want to get my hands back into the modding game, but I want to take it easy. So, I have an idea for (what seems to be) an easy mod. I'm thinking about calling it Sky-Littles, because (1) it sort of looks like Skittles and (2) I can use the acronym SkyLs, like "skills"!

 

So what's the mod? Well, the idea is that it'd add young-adults and teenagers to Skyrim's random encounters. So instead of say, the usual run of adults and (possible) oldies, you might run into a few young'uns every one in a while. It would mean more variety, which I love. I'm not aiming for anything crazy in terms of dialogue, probably just basic generic NPC stuff.

 

How would it work? Just like any follower mod. Basicly, I'd slap custom-made heads (using say, RaceMenu) on scaled-down bodies, to hopefully give the appearance of younger NPCs. Then, I'd stick them into leveled lists, and equip them with randomized vanilla gear.

 

What could happen? This mod might only look good if you play with my body mods (UNPB), but we'll see. I'd appreciate feedback on that end. Voices could be a minor issue, but I'm sure I could pay someone to do a few lines later on, who knows.

 

Now I have a few questions for you alls. One, would I just be reinventing the wheel? Maybe someone has already done this, and maybe better. Any ideas or concerns? I do intend on making the "young" characters 18 and up, but I can't stop y'alls from lewding my work. Do as you will, and thoughts?

[gregathit]

Please make sure it follows forum guidelines and don't disable the locks on underage or anything that looks underage.

 

Cheers,

Greg

[DatWombat]

4 minutes ago, gregathit said:

Please make sure it follows forum guidelines and don't disable the locks on underage or anything that looks underage.

 

Cheers,

Greg

Don't 'cha worry 'bout that! I am aware of LL's policy on underage content.

And thank you for the heads up!

[cetuximab]

I'll also note that The Kids are Alright adds hostile children to various bandit camps, a bunch more street urchins to adopt, child hunter encounters in the wild, and children to some childless parents.  Oh and it also beautifies the default potato head children in a non-sexual way.

[Unkaar]

Random encounters involving the local kids on make believe adventures HAVE NOT been done to death, or ever for that matter.

It should of course be limited to the holds they are native from, or being with a parent/guardian.

[Mez558]

I don't mean to knock it but, since you've not mentioned males, this does just sound like a jail bait npc mod with the "she's really 18. I.D. Available upon request" disclaimer.

 

I would really like to see someone make an actual young adult race that includes males, that isn't just a scaled down Vanilla or SOS body and textures. The are some NPC's that would benifit from this, imo. Eric, for example, in Rorikstead. He looks about 30 but the relationship he has with his Father is more that of a teenager.

I'd put Saphire in Riften down as another candidate.

 

 

 

 

[winny257]

10 hours ago, Mez558 said:

Eric, for example, in Rorikstead. He looks about 30 but the relationship he has with his Father is more that of a teenager.

Lol, Him as a teenager, then there is no more romance! 

https://youtu.be/ccBvyaLGEWA

[Mez558]

53 minutes ago, winny257 said:

Lol, Him as a teenager, then there is no more romance! 

https://youtu.be/ccBvyaLGEWA

OP was suggesting the NPC's would be 18+
 

An 18 yr old, desperate to make his OWN way in the world would be far more attactive than a grown man in his late 20's who can't do anything on his own.

[winny257]

1 hour ago, Mez558 said:

OP was suggesting the NPC's would be 18+
 

An 18 yr old, desperate to make his OWN way in the world would be far more attactive than a grown man in his late 20's who can't do anything on his own.

Let's stay with reality for a while, what do you think will happen, if an 18 year old, which still hangs on mother's skirt, themselves alone in Skyrim moves?
then come a few old Northmen and kill those milkriceboy!
An 18 year old has a huge life experience, much more than a 40 year old! That was ironic.
when I see all these mods, where small children, teenagers are misused as followers, do you want an honest answer? 

 

I could puke!

 

and that was the reality where hundreds of thousands died senselessly!

Spoiler

 

[Mez558]

51 minutes ago, winny257 said:

Let's stay with reality for a while, what do you think will happen, if an 18 year old, which still hangs on mother's skirt, themselves alone in Skyrim moves?
then come a few old Northmen and kill those milkriceboy!
An 18 year old has a huge life experience, much more than a 40 year old! That was ironic.
when I see all these mods, where small children, teenagers are misused as followers, do you want an honest answer? 

 

I could puke!

 

and that was the reality where hundreds of thousands died senselessly!

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I don't know why I bother replying to your posts sometimes. You either  don't actually understand what I write or you intentionally misinterpret it so you can play the butt hurt SJW.

But since this has started...

 

Reality? What reality is that? This is Skyrim, show me where to find that on the Map? I mean a real map, not a map of Tamriel.

You want to compare Skyrim with a similar era to our reality? Fine, then you're basically an Adult at 13, whether a boy or girl. Age of Consent? That didn't exist. Human Rights? Don't think so.

At 25 you were pretty much Middle aged. But, The Elder Scrolls world has magic. It has healing arts. Life expentancy equals or even excedes our modern era, so I'm happy to concede the age you are considered an adult in Skyrim would also go up and can be comparative to our world/time.

 

As for being some helpless child at 18? Really, is that how you felt at 18?

 

As of right now, in Reality, not Skyrim.

You can Join the armed forces and Die for your country at 18, 16 in some countries, inc. the UK.

Age of consent in the US is mostly 18 (depending on state) but it varies in Europe. 16 in UK which is not the lowest.

 

As for physically fighting? Sage Northcutt was fighting and beating men much older and more experienced than him in Professional MMA bouts at 18. Rory McDonald was doing this at only 16 and he didn't lose a fight until he was 21.

 

So an Eighteen year old that is trying to go off and make a name for himself but wants his Father's blessing (Pretty certain the Mother is dead) is far greater, imo, than a late twenty something man who hasn't got the balls to make out on his own and is still using doing what is Dad tells him.

My feeling is Eric is younger than we think as there are no youthful models in the vanilla game he looks like any other grown man in the game.

 

Now, small children or teens being misused. Lets start with the fact that this is a game, no one actually dies, gets raped, gets tortured, or gets sold into slavery. Even the insects that you dismember for Alchemy supplies... None of them exist. They are just Zeros and Ones in a computer.

As long as no images or mods are posted to this site I don't care what anyone does on their own computer game and neither should you.

But, both the OP and myself only spoke of the NPC's being 18+ Although it would appear "18yr old" computer generated characters provide you with the same moral outrage as "12yr old" CG characters.

 

My criticism, shall we call it, was that the Nexus is full of such mods. New NPC's or replacers that have an incredibly youthful facial appearance on "adult" bodies.

What I would like to see someone do is make meshes that are realistic. Not just scale them down. Few people continue to grow in height after 16. At 18 it's unlikely you will grow any taller and very good chance that you are actually taller than the generation above you. However, at that age you will not have filled out, so while you will be every bit as tall as a someone in their 20's or 30's you would likely not be as physically big/strong.

 

I hope that made some sense to you.

 

Also, people often raise this "We have no young adults or teenagers in Skyrim, it's not immersive"

The way I see this is that Bethesda have accepted that in the era Skyrim is set, you would be considered an adult at around 13. So you have children (age 9-12 I would say) and adults. What they have, understandably, not done is create models to represent these ages as they probably were well aware of what some of the modding community would do with it ?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[V3rius]

1 hour ago, Mez558 said:

What they have, understandably, not done is create models to represent these ages as they probably were well aware of what some of the modding community would do with it ?

Probably more time and resource problems then anything else.

Otherwise pretty much yes to everything.

[winny257]

1 hour ago, Mez558 said:

Spoiler

I don't know why I bother replying to your posts sometimes. You either  don't actually understand what I write or you intentionally misinterpret it so you can play the butt hurt SJW.

But since this has started...

 

Reality? What reality is that? This is Skyrim, show me where to find that on the Map? I mean a real map, not a map of Tamriel.

You want to compare Skyrim with a similar era to our reality? Fine, then you're basically an Adult at 13, whether a boy or girl. Age of Consent? That didn't exist. Human Rights? Don't think so.

At 25 you were pretty much Middle aged. But, The Elder Scrolls world has magic. It has healing arts. Life expentancy equals or even excedes our modern era, so I'm happy to concede the age you are considered an adult in Skyrim would also go up and can be comparative to our world/time.

 

As for being some helpless child at 18? Really, is that how you felt at 18?

 

As of right now, in Reality, not Skyrim.

You can Join the armed forces and Die for your country at 18, 16 in some countries, inc. the UK.

Age of consent in the US is mostly 18 (depending on state) but it varies in Europe. 16 in UK which is not the lowest.

 

As for physically fighting? Sage Northcutt was fighting and beating men much older and more experienced than him in Professional MMA bouts at 18. Rory McDonald was doing this at only 16 and he didn't lose a fight until he was 21.

 

So an Eighteen year old that is trying to go off and make a name for himself but wants his Father's blessing (Pretty certain the Mother is dead) is far greater, imo, than a late twenty something man who hasn't got the balls to make out on his own and is still using doing what is Dad tells him.

My feeling is Eric is younger than we think as there are no youthful models in the vanilla game he looks like any other grown man in the game.

 

Now, small children or teens being misused. Lets start with the fact that this is a game, no one actually dies, gets raped, gets tortured, or gets sold into slavery. Even the insects that you dismember for Alchemy supplies... None of them exist. They are just Zeros and Ones in a computer.

As long as no images or mods are posted to this site I don't care what anyone does on their own computer game and neither should you.

But, both the OP and myself only spoke of the NPC's being 18+ Although it would appear "18yr old" computer generated characters provide you with the same moral outrage as "12yr old" CG characters.

 

My criticism, shall we call it, was that the Nexus is full of such mods. New NPC's or replacers that have an incredibly youthful facial appearance on "adult" bodies.

What I would like to see someone do is make meshes that are realistic. Not just scale them down. Few people continue to grow in height after 16. At 18 it's unlikely you will grow any taller and very good chance that you are actually taller than the generation above you. However, at that age you will not have filled out, so while you will be every bit as tall as a someone in their 20's or 30's you would likely not be as physically big/strong.

 

I hope that made some sense to you.

 

Also, people often raise this "We have no young adults or teenagers in Skyrim, it's not immersive"

The way I see this is that Bethesda have accepted that in the era Skyrim is set, you would be considered an adult at around 13. So you have children (age 9-12 I would say) and adults. What they have, understandably, not done is create models to represent these ages as they probably were well aware of what some of the modding community would do with it ?

 

 

I know absolutely Skyrim is a game, but I always compare a game with reality, and therefore I will never play Asian Games.
the reason too young characters. Children and teens should not fight, in games no problem. 
if seriously injured, a healing potion and wola, a miracle all injuries are gone.
the guy which children Kill move has developed, I could..... for that I will not say anything, otherwise I make myself unhappy.
and what 18-year-old on mother's skirt hanging, then have a look.

Over 50% of young Australian adults still live with their parents!
https://theconversation.com/over-50-of-young-australian-adults-still-live-with-their-parents-and-the-numbers-are-climbing-faster-for-women-120587

Two-thirds of singles in their 20s now live with their parents – here’s how it affects their lives
https://theconversation.com/two-thirds-of-singles-in-their-20s-now-live-with-their-parents-heres-how-it-affects-their-lives-109693

 

Where Are Adults Living With Their Parents

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/18/realestate/where-are-adults-living-with-their-parents.html

[V3rius]

33 minutes ago, winny257 said:

I know absolutely Skyrim is a game

Full Stop. Thats it. No but. If you srsly whant to do a mod author harm for literally ANYTHING he or she does ingame

 

34 minutes ago, winny257 said:

I could..... for that I will not say anything, otherwise I make myself unhappy.

 

[winny257]

22 minutes ago, V3rius said:

Full Stop. Thats it. No but. If you srsly whant to do a mod author harm for literally ANYTHING he or she does ingame

 

 

Children should be untouchable in a game!
or do you know any game where you can kill children?
if so, then I expect a proof!
Nexus should never have allowed this mod, but as soon as a little naked child skin appears on nexus, then that's shouting large. 
abuse of minors is a crime, but killing a child not. 
kind of strange! 

[Mez558]

2 hours ago, winny257 said:

I know absolutely Skyrim is a game, but I always compare a game with reality, and therefore I will never play Asian Games.
the reason too young characters. Children and teens should not fight, in games no problem. 
if seriously injured, a healing potion and wola, a miracle all injuries are gone.
the guy which children Kill move has developed, I could..... for that I will not say anything, otherwise I make myself unhappy.
and what 18-year-old on mother's skirt hanging, then have a look.

Over 50% of young Australian adults still live with their parents!
https://theconversation.com/over-50-of-young-australian-adults-still-live-with-their-parents-and-the-numbers-are-climbing-faster-for-women-120587

Two-thirds of singles in their 20s now live with their parents – here’s how it affects their lives
https://theconversation.com/two-thirds-of-singles-in-their-20s-now-live-with-their-parents-heres-how-it-affects-their-lives-109693

 

Where Are Adults Living With Their Parents

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/18/realestate/where-are-adults-living-with-their-parents.html

 

"the guy which children Kill move has developed, I could..... for that I will not say anything, otherwise I make myself unhappy."

 

I'm not entirely sure where you were going with this but I will take a guess you were suggesting that you believe someone that does harm to a child character in a computer game would then go on to do so in the Real world. If that is the case, can I bring your attention to the console and PC game series known as GTA. How many millions have played that? How many gun toting sociopaths has that game created, going by that same arguement of what you do in a computer game can lead to how you behave in the real world?

 

I didn't really want to read those articles that were linked so instead did some key word searches.

 

Civil War

Stormcloaks

Thalmor

Adventurer

Dragon

Whiterun

 

They all came up a bust, which lead me to feel that all these articles have nothing to do with Skyrim and it's problems but more to do with soaring property prices and changes in social values in our world, today. That's at a guess. I don't care, I am not interested in judging people that live with their parents in Real life any more than I am people that kill or do other dispicable things to women and children in a computer game. You see, Eric of Rorikstead, whilst I believe is meant to represent someone in their late teens, doesn't live in Australia. He doesn't even live an any Scandanavian country. He doesn't live at all. He is a graphical representation with a very simplistic "A.I."

 

 

[Mez558]

3 hours ago, V3rius said:

Probably more time and resource problems then anything else.

 

I would like to give them the benefit of the doubt but you're likely right. Time and resources were more of a factor than any moral decision.

[V3rius]

now i understand what mez meant...

2 hours ago, winny257 said:

Children should be untouchable in a game!

NO

 

2 hours ago, winny257 said:

or do you know any game where you can kill children?

Doesn't matter. Do you know a game where Rape is a more or less normal game mechanic?

Violence against children are most times not specifically mentioned in law (Depiction wise). Sex is. For a very good reason.

But oftentimes the laws are inspecific so even the depiction of pixels which are viewed as children can be illegal. And since no one wants to fight for his right to depict pixels in this manner its avoided.

 

 

I repeat it one last time:

2 hours ago, V3rius said:

3 hours ago, winny257 said:

I know absolutely Skyrim is a game

Full Stop. Thats it. No but.

E V E R Y T H I N G   (in a Game)   S H O U L D     B E     A L L O W E D!

 

"But..." -> NO!

"Think about the Children!!!111!!"  -> WHICH CHILDREN? THESE ARE PIXELS! ZEROES AND ONES!

 

If you continue this conversation we will just reach the same conclusion as the "videogames are violence" trope. Because if it does no one harm why are you against it?

Because you don't like it? <Insert Something i don't like here for example golf.... or Gay porn. Basically the same in this context> Should this also not be allowed?

No?

Do you wish harm upon another because you think it has detremintal effects on society? So if i shoot someone with a bazzoka in GTA you think i wil do the same in real life? Or has other detrimental effects? Even though proven wrong multiple times?

No?

Then what Reason do you have to even state that you want harm for another real life human being (and as far as i get it not jokingly) for what he did in his VIDEOGAME!

 

I will not answer or debate further. Not good for my inner peace. Or whats left of it.

I think you are worse then any of those who you mentioned.

 

 

Edit: I just realized how much off topic this went. So another reason to end it here.

[shaidien]

Hay people it is a very clear thing we talking about. The rules will be followed no representation of children are aloud period.  

Winny257 please stop the judgment of your godless ability to read everyone's mind and proclaimed outrage at what you think you seen. Nock it off please no one has said they making any mod that breaks any LL rules however you seem to have broken a unsaid rule of judgment.  NOT COOL.

If this is not your thing move along.

[shaidien]

The rules are you can't unflag the child flag in ck. You can't have younger say 16 years old or less looking inless you remove the privates. That's easy to do in OS. It's best to grab some undies and highlight everything under them then delete it. If you follow those guidelines you shouldn't have any problems. I use mods for kids but the scripts don't let them get naked. And you can't sex em or I just wouldn't have them. The people here need to understand we want the kids to look like kids and not potatoes. Only a few freaks want to sex them.