JohnEast Posted February 25, 2019 Posted February 25, 2019 Hey dudes. I'm gonna repost my problem from nexus forums. I hope you don't mind that, since I really want to get it fixed. Since yesterday I've been experiencing random freezes in the game. My saving/loading time is absurd, my save file went from around 80mb to 500mb. This started when I went to blue palace in Solitude. After going out of the place my loading screen went for few minutes and when I had tried to save it was the same. I went to my house in Whiterun just to see if some mods related to Solitude cause my save file to blob but it's still the same there. I've tried to see if something similar would happen to a new character. I made a new char with my current load order. I went to blue palace, talked to few npc there and everything had seemed to be alright. Save file is much smaller (obviously, since it's a new character) but nothing blobbed it in any strange way. At this state it's unplayable yet it would be a shame to lose that playthrough. I won't lie it's not my first problem with Skyrim modding, I had problems with VRAM before but with a help from Grey Cloud I was able to min/max my current load order. My setup: AMD FX-8120 Eight-Core 3,1 GHz Sapphire Radeon DUAL-X R9 270 2GB 16 GB RAM HDD 1TB (currently 140GB of free space) WIN7 It's skyrim legendary edition, newest patch. I'm using MO2. Yes, I'm using SKSE and ENBoost My load order: 0 0 Skyrim.esm 1 1 Update.esm 2 2 Dawnguard.esm 3 3 HearthFires.esm 4 4 Dragonborn.esm 5 5 Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp 6 6 Falskaar.esm 7 7 BSAssets.esm 8 8 BSHeartland.esm 9 9 BS_DLC_patch.esp 10 a ZaZAnimationPack.esm 11 b Gray Fox Cowl.esm 12 c daymoyl.esm 13 d hdtHighHeel.esm 14 e RaceCompatibility.esm 15 f Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm 16 10 SexLab.esm 17 11 SexLabAroused.esm 18 12 Cutting Room Floor.esp 19 13 Weapons & Armor Fixes_Remade.esp 20 14 Clothing & Clutter Fixes.esp 21 15 UIExtensions.esp 22 16 AddItemMenuLE.esp 23 17 Relationship Dialogue Overhaul.esp 24 18 Complete Crafting Overhaul_Remade.esp 25 19 Skyrim Immersive Creatures.esp 26 1a Helgen Reborn.esp 27 1b OBIS.esp 28 1c Skyrim Immersive Creatures - DLC2.esp 29 1d MoonAndStar_MAS.esp 30 1e Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp 31 1f The Brotherhood of Old.esp 32 20 AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp 33 21 Auto Unequip Ammo.esp 34 22 Dwarfsphere.esp 35 23 BDHagravenReplacer.esp 36 24 FortCastellum_Eng.esp 37 25 Darkend.esp 38 26 daymoyl_DawnguardAddon.esp 39 27 Bells of Skyrim.esp 40 28 Brevi_MoonlightTales.esp 41 29 BlackSacramentArmor.esp 42 2a Sneak Tools.esp 43 2b Sneak Tools Vanilla Hoods.esp 44 2c BlackSacramentDBReplacer.esp 45 2d BSHeartland - Meshes.esp 46 2e BSHeartland - Textures.esp 47 2f Choker of Skyrim.esp 48 30 Combat Evolved.esp Convenient Horses - Faster Sprint.esp 49 31 Convenient Horses.esp Darkend_Balance_Patch.esp 50 32 XPMSE.esp 51 33 DiverseDragonsCollection3.esp 52 34 DSerArcheryGameplayOverhaul.esp 53 35 FISS.esp 54 36 FNIS.esp 55 37 FNISspells.esp 56 38 Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp 57 39 Illustrious HDT Cloaks.esp Weapons & Armor_TrueWeaponsLvlLists.esp 58 3a Immersive Weapons.esp 59 3b KS Hairdos - HDT.esp 60 3c LustmordVampireArmor.esp 61 3d OBIS DG Faction Patch.esp 62 3e OBISDB.esp 63 3f PuppetMaster.esp 64 40 PuppetMasterSwallow.esp 65 41 RaceCompatibilityUSKPOverride.esp 66 42 RaceMenu.esp 67 43 RaceMenuMorphsUUNP.esp 68 44 RaceMenuPlugin.esp 69 45 RDO - AFT v1.66 Patch.esp 70 46 Schlongs of Skyrim.esp 71 47 SexLab Approach.esp 72 48 SexLabDefeat.esp 73 49 SexLabHorribleHarassment.esp 74 4a SGEyebrows.esp 75 4b SkyUI.esp 76 4c SLAL_AnimationByBakaFactory.esp 77 4d SLAnimLoader.esp Sneak Tools Vanilla Masks.esp 78 4e SOS - Smurf Average Addon.esp 79 4f SOS - VectorPlexus Regular Addon.esp 80 50 SOSRaceMenu.esp 81 51 SuccubusRaceLite.esp 82 52 TheEyesOfBeauty.esp 83 53 TKDodge.esp 84 54 UltimateCombat.esp 85 55 WeaponsArmorFixes_ImmersiveWeapons_Patch.esp 86 56 Unique Uniques.esp 87 57 VioLens.esp 88 58 Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp 89 59 Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp 90 5a TES5Merged.esp 91 5b Bashed Patch, 0.esp I probably forgot something so please tell me what else I should post.
ZoneX95 Posted February 25, 2019 Posted February 25, 2019 Did you ever try to actually delete that save and then just save again? It works for me usualy.
JohnEast Posted February 25, 2019 Author Posted February 25, 2019 9 minutes ago, ZoneX95 said: Did you ever try to actually delete that save and then just save again? It works for me usualy. Yes, I've tried it few times already. Even now I went just to make sure. Still long loading screens and 2-3m saves. I really need to fix this. https://imgur.com/a/IAbReAR
Grey Cloud Posted February 25, 2019 Posted February 25, 2019 You could try these. Save game script cleaner https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/52363 NetImmerse Override Cleaner https://www.loverslab.com/files/file/3786-netimmerse-override-cleaner-skse-co-save-cleaner-utility/ Save file sizes fluctuate throughout the game but 500MB seems excessive. Could be a script spamming it for some reason.
GenioMaestro Posted February 25, 2019 Posted February 25, 2019 If your savegame GROW from 8 mb to 500 MB is evident that you have a BIG problem, SURE in a mod. Delete that aberrant savegame, load the normal savegame of 8 mb and save it again. If grow 1 mb or more open it with resaver for look Active Scripts for identify the ploblematic mod. If size is normal enter Blue Palace, save again and repeat. Until found the problem.
JohnEast Posted February 26, 2019 Author Posted February 26, 2019 18 hours ago, Grey Cloud said: You could try these. Save game script cleaner https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/52363 NetImmerse Override Cleaner https://www.loverslab.com/files/file/3786-netimmerse-override-cleaner-skse-co-save-cleaner-utility/ Save file sizes fluctuate throughout the game but 500MB seems excessive. Could be a script spamming it for some reason. I've tried those 2 and they cleaned just few KB of old scripts so it wasn't that useful in my situation 17 hours ago, GenioMaestro said: If your savegame GROW from 8 mb to 500 MB is evident that you have a BIG problem, SURE in a mod. Delete that aberrant savegame, load the normal savegame of 8 mb and save it again. If grow 1 mb or more open it with resaver for look Active Scripts for identify the ploblematic mod. If size is normal enter Blue Palace, save again and repeat. Until found the problem. Yeah it has grown from 80mb to 500mb in a span of few quests. I've done 2 major ones: shrine of metile, talmor embassy and some other smaller quest but it was just weird for me to see such a big save file. Thanks to your suggestion I was able to clean my save somehow. I probably had fucked up some other mods but I used all of clean option of ReSaver just to check if it's worth trying to get it fixed, Only after checking active scripts and suspended stacks 1 I think I have the problem. It seems my SneakTools mod spams it's script related to checking relations between my modded mask and npcs around. Somehow these scripts don't get deleted and blob my save file. It was really hard to deal with the ReSaver. The program was freezing all the time bc of the size of my save, I even had to download older version just to be able to save the new cleaned save file. I've gave up yesterday since it seemed impossible to deal with it but today I got it to find a problem. Here are my another new questions: Should I try to clean the save again and make sure there are no other scripts than SneakTools in Active Scripts and Suspended Stacks 1? I'm pretty certain there were none in Active Scripts when I was scrolling through them but since the program was freezing and going through 400mb of scripts seems pointless and I can never be sure. I can't say the same about suspended stacks 1. As I've said I'm a noob but isn't this directory only for stuff that has already fucked up? Should it be clean all the time or am I wrong? Also should I simply remove the SneakTools mod or is there a way for me to get it fixed somehow? I'm using nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/19447/ and nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/39686 (this patch is currently disabled in my plugins since Bashed patched combined it's function with other mod patches) Sorry for long response and thank you for your advice guys. I know it's no customer service lol so it's nice to see you trying to help.
Grey Cloud Posted February 26, 2019 Posted February 26, 2019 6 minutes ago, JohnEast said: SneakTools Ah, Sneak Tools. There is currently another guy having trouble with that mod. His game is crashing whenever he tries lockpick. He has other issues which may or may not be related to Sneak Tools. https://www.loverslab.com/topic/117421-lockpicking-couses-instant-crash-when-attempted/
JohnEast Posted February 26, 2019 Author Posted February 26, 2019 17 minutes ago, Grey Cloud said: Ah, Sneak Tools. There is currently another guy having trouble with that mod. His game is crashing whenever he tries lockpick. He has other issues which may or may not be related to Sneak Tools. https://www.loverslab.com/topic/117421-lockpicking-couses-instant-crash-when-attempted/ I have disabled my TES5edit and bashed patches to see if the problem is related to them. From what it seems bashed patched fucked up my sneak tools patch in some way. Everything seems fine when I used sneak tools with and without sneak tools patch. Only when I activate my bashed patch the script starts to multiply like crazy in thousands. I think I'm gonna stick to using Sneak tools and it's patch without Bashed patch for now. But again, should I go back to my 500mb save file and clean it again to make sure I haven't fucked up anything else? From what I saw in the game after cleaning the save files everything is okay but you never know. I don't want to go back in few hours or days finding some stuff missing or not working correctly. 27 minutes ago, JohnEast said: Here are my another new questions: Should I try to clean the save again and make sure there are no other scripts than SneakTools in Active Scripts and Suspended Stacks 1? I'm pretty certain there were none in Active Scripts when I was scrolling through them but since the program was freezing and going through 400mb of scripts seems pointless and I can never be sure. I can't say the same about suspended stacks 1. As I've said I'm a noob but isn't this directory only for stuff that has already fucked up? Should it be clean all the time or am I wrong? ^I want to make sure it's okay to clean those directories
Grey Cloud Posted February 26, 2019 Posted February 26, 2019 27 minutes ago, JohnEast said: From what it seems bashed patched fucked up my sneak tools patch in some way Ah, the joys of bashed patches. Never used them and never will. I can't help with the save cleaning as I don't use Re-Saver and my games are free-style and don't have quests and whatnot, so if the save dies, it's dead and I rollback or move on.
JohnEast Posted February 26, 2019 Author Posted February 26, 2019 47 minutes ago, Grey Cloud said: Ah, the joys of bashed patches. Never used them and never will. I can't help with the save cleaning as I don't use Re-Saver and my games are free-style and don't have quests and whatnot, so if the save dies, it's dead and I rollback or move on. Yeah, it seems bashed patch didn't work that well with SneakTools Patch or the mod alone. I went back to the old 500mb save again and cleaned it manually by filtering SneakTools in Active Scripts, References, and Suspended Stacks 1. The file went from 500mb to 38mb. Then with every next test save the file kept getting smaller and smaller and now it's only 14mb. Rest of Suspended stacks and references have cleaned itself that way. I'm so god damn happy, not only I was able to fix the issue but also I know what to look for in the future if anything similar would happen again. Thank you @GenioMaestro and @Grey Cloud for your help. If anything else gets in my way similar to this problem I'll make an update but for now I think the thread is closed. Take care guys!
JohnEast Posted February 27, 2019 Author Posted February 27, 2019 I was wrong, it wasn't the bashed patch but the mod itself. I don't know if it's SneakTools or it's patch but the problem has returned. My save file size was normal until I was doing the wedding dark brotherhood quest in Solitude. In just few minutes the save went from 40mb to 130mb. I've completed the quest yesterday and now I cleaned the save again with ReSaver. I like the SneakTools but if it's gonna act like a virus then there is no way for me to keep it. I'll try to reinstall it again and if the problem comes up again I'll get rid of it for good.
JohnEast Posted February 27, 2019 Author Posted February 27, 2019 I'm such a dumb cunt holy shit. I've wasted so much time before cleaning that 500mb save file when just simply disabling the SneakTools mod and saving again gives the same results. I feel dumb as fuck but still happy I know what the problem is.
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