Stuttering!

[edx]

I NEED to get to the bottom of this, It doesn't matter if I have 50 mods installed or 600 I have the same frame-rate but these little micro stutters are making the game unplayable. I'm reinstalled the game about 5 times. Followed guide's. Downloaded people's ini files and still the problem persists.

 

The game doesn't stutter when there are no mods but when I add more than like 3 mods or an enb the game just goes into stutter mode.

 

Please don't just suggest guides to follow or fps fix mods because i've tried them all.

 

This is a graph of my skyrim performance. This test was done with enb, skse, alternate start, onetweak, ele - light and these ini files https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/74427/. I have a more that capable machine and I'm 100% fine with the fps but i cannot play with stutters.

 

https://i.ibb.co/0n20tVS/Screenshot-1.png

 

 

[ZoneX95]

Not sure if you tried this but is your fps still limited? Also how much pre-rendered frames do you have, try this fps limited (or unlimiter) to set your fps, you can try to set it high or at 60 and see what happens. https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/34/?tab=description

 

On the other hand I think what you are experiencing is called papyrus lag. Skyrim engine is quite limited and it really can't handle that many mods.

[Grey Cloud]

2 minutes ago, ZoneX95 said:

Skyrim engine is quite limited and it really can't handle that many mods

 Absolute rubbish.

35 minutes ago, edx said:

when I add more than like 3 mods or an enb the game just goes into stutter mode.

How many mods can Skyrim handle?

[edx]

My FPS is limited to 60fps through the enb GUI. I've got 3 pre-rendered frames.

 

4 minutes ago, ZoneX95 said:

On the other hand I think what you are experiencing is called papyrus lag. Skyrim engine is quite limited and it really can't handle that many mods.

 

The game can take the handful of mods i have installed atm.

[edx]

Just now, Grey Cloud said:

 Absolute rubbish.

How many mods can Skyrim handle?

 

It was a figure of speech, what i mean is that as soon as i start adding mods. lets say the mods i have installed for the test i did, i get the stutters.

[donttouchmethere]

no clue, that's why I just drop this here:

> did you try without OneTweak? Would the borderless settings conflict with your ENB settings?

> can ENB memory management conflict with the skse memory allocation if settings are wrong?

> did you try another ENB preset or another light mod?

> do you maybe need patches for LAL and ELE?

[GenioMaestro]

1 hour ago, edx said:

This is a graph of my skyrim performance. This test was done with enb, skse, alternate start, onetweak, ele - light and these ini files https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/74427/. I have a more that capable machine and I'm 100% fine with the fps but i cannot play with stutters.

For start, some players report Stutter when install onetweak. Simply remove it.

You can have the borderless window with ENB setting.

 

Next, i presume you are ussing INI files from web sites, maybe from others persons and maybe modified manually by yours hands and i'm VERY suspect about a problem in the INI files.

 

DELETE YOURS INI FILES = Skyrim.ini = SkyrimPrefs.ini

 

If you have NMM are located in Documents\My Games\Skyrim

If you have MO are located in the profile of MO, in my machine D:\Games\Mod Organizer\profiles\Default

If you have Vortex an enable INI management are with the profile of Vortex, seach it.

If you have Vortex and use normal INI management are in the same location as NMM.

Start your game for generate NEW INI FILES.

Download BethIni and select High/Ultra, press Save & Exit and test in game.

 

Have you configured your ENB correctly??? https://wiki.step-project.com/Guide:ENBlocal_INI

ExpandSystemMemoryX64 = FALSE

ReduceSystemMemoryUsage = TRUE

VideoMemorySizeMb = 4096 (Normally enb NEVER use more than 4Gb)

ReservedMemorySizeMb = 128 (Up it to 256 or 512 if stutering persist)

[edx]

21 minutes ago, GenioMaestro said:

For start, some players report Stutter when install onetweak. Simply remove it.

You can have the borderless window with ENB setting.

 

Next, i presume you are ussing INI files from web sites, maybe from others persons and maybe modified manually by yours hands and i'm VERY suspect about a problem in the INI files.

 

DELETE YOURS INI FILES = Skyrim.ini = SkyrimPrefs.ini

 

If you have NMM are located in Documents\My Games\Skyrim

If you have MO are located in the profile of MO, in my machine D:\Games\Mod Organizer\profiles\Default

If you have Vortex an enable INI management are with the profile of Vortex, seach it.

If you have Vortex and use normal INI management are in the same location as NMM.

Start your game for generate NEW INI FILES.

Download BethIni and select High/Ultra, press Save & Exit and test in game.

 

Have you configured your ENB correctly??? https://wiki.step-project.com/Guide:ENBlocal_INI

ExpandSystemMemoryX64 = FALSE

ReduceSystemMemoryUsage = TRUE

VideoMemorySizeMb = 4096 (Normally enb NEVER use more than 4Gb)

ReservedMemorySizeMb = 128 (Up it to 256 or 512 if stutering persist)

 

The combination of them 3 things worked! my gpu is staying at a constant 90%+ usage and my fps is stable. Thanks a lot man, one thing though I am still getting some stutter, for example when i load up the game and cast a fire spell for the first time it stutters but then when i cast after that it doesn't stutter... i'm not using an hd fire mods?

[GenioMaestro]

9 minutes ago, edx said:

 

The combination of them 3 things worked! my gpu is staying at a constant 90%+ usage and my fps is stable. Thanks a lot man, one thing though I am still getting some stutter, for example when i load up the game and cast a fire spell for the first time it stutters but then when i cast after that it doesn't stutter... i'm not using an hd fire mods?

That is HARD DISK access for get the mesh and the textures of the spell.

The game load all the mesh and the textures from the environment, but not load all the armors, weapons, spells, npc's... all this things are loaded as request.

The next time you start the game that files are normally cached by the windows OS if you have enougth memory, at least 16 Gb.

Some players prefer install SSD while have 8 gb of RAM. My experience say is better RAM than fast disk.

[edx]

2 minutes ago, GenioMaestro said:

That is HARD DISK access for get the mesh and the textures of the spell.

The game load all the mesh and the textures from the environment, but not load all the armors, weapons, spells, npc's... all this things are loaded as request.

The next time you start the game that files are normally cached by the windows OS if you have enougth memory, at least 16 Gb.

Some players prefer install SSD while have 8 gb of RAM. My experience say is better RAM than fast disk.

Should have just said "get better hardware you scrub". just kidding but thanks for the help anyway. yh i'm playing on 8gb of ram on a harddrive but when i had my game installed on my ssd is still did the thing with the fire 

[GenioMaestro]

32 minutes ago, edx said:

Should have just said "get better hardware you scrub". just kidding but thanks for the help anyway. yh i'm playing on 8gb of ram on a harddrive but when i had my game installed on my ssd is still did the thing with the fire 

Is not pure hardware. Is good harware configuration with a correct ussage. I have and old i5-4460 with a simply gtx-660 2gb in win 7 64. My only hard disk an slow seagate 1TB MECHANICAL but put 16 gb of memory because i know the most important component in the computer is CPU and RAM.

The machine make all the work in CPU and for that all the data MUST BE IN RAM. 

If you have your data in RAM you not need hard disk acces. For me, the SSD is a luxury that i not need.

Spoiler

Do you think i can need a SDD for read and write less than 300 MB in near 5 hours???

I need memory = RAM because with 5 programs open i waste the 25% of my RAM = 4 GB.

When i start skyrim up to 8 gb and others games up to 12 leting 4 or 6 for cache.

I started my game some times today and play half of the day... Look the average PCIe Link = 5.748 GT/s

I have a correct configuration for the ussage of my machine.

Others persons need more memory, up to 32 gb because use 3dstudio, photoshop...

Others need SSD plus big fast disk for edit videos.

The configuration must be adjusted to the ussage. Not more.

[Grey Cloud]

1 hour ago, edx said:

 

It was a figure of speech, what i mean is that as soon as i start adding mods. lets say the mods i have installed for the test i did, i get the stutters.

Sorry, that wasn't directed at you but the rubbish from Zonex95. My point was that it can do a lot more than the handfull you had mentioned.

 

And for the record, I agree with what Genio said about the RAM vs SSD etc.

 

 

[Grey Cloud]

56 minutes ago, edx said:

Have you configured your ENB correctly??? https://wiki.step-project.com/Guide:ENBlocal_INI

ExpandSystemMemoryX64 = FALSE

ReduceSystemMemoryUsage = TRUE

VideoMemorySizeMb = 4096 (Normally enb NEVER use more than 4Gb)

ReservedMemorySizeMb = 128 (Up it to 256 or 512 if stutering persist)

That is not quite correct. Video memory size is all VRAM plus a percentage of RAM. The actual total depending on the OS.

See: https://wiki.step-project.com/ENBoost

enblocal,ini needs to be tailored to one's machine.

Also if you right click on desktop, screen resolution, advanced settings - I get a little box telling me that I have 4096 of VRAM and 3830 of Shared System RAM available for my card to use. I'm on W7.

 

[GenioMaestro]

34 minutes ago, Grey Cloud said:

That is not quite correct. Video memory size is all VRAM plus a percentage of RAM. The actual total depending on the OS.

See: https://wiki.step-project.com/ENBoost

enblocal,ini needs to be tailored to one's machine.

Also if you right click on desktop, screen resolution, advanced settings - I get a little box telling me that I have 4096 of VRAM and 3830 of Shared System RAM available for my card to use. I'm on W7.

 

VideoMemorySizeMb

This sets the total memory that will be used for the ENBoost dynamic memory allocation. All available VRAM, except for the amount set with ReservedMemorySizeMb, will be used first, and if VideoMemorySizeMb is set to a value higher than total VRAM of the user's videocard, then ENBoost will use system RAM, if necessary, by running instances of enbhost.exe.

 

Do you have any problem for understand what mean that paragraph????  Is very easy...

If VideoMemorySizeMb is set to a value higher than total VRAM of the user's videocard, then ENBoost will use system RAM, if necessary...

 

If you have a video card with 4 gb of vram and you put your VideoMemorySizeMb in 4096 simply ENB not use RAM. Normally, the 4gb of Vram are not filled until you install HD textures in 4K or 8K. And for that STEP say:

ENBoost is highly recommended to be used by anyone who has 2GB VRAM or less. Users with newer videos which have at least 4GB VRAM may not require its use.

 

Now, explain me, if you want, what is the problem of put VideoMemorySizeMb = 4096

If you have a video card with 2gb of Vram ENB can use another 2 gb from RAM

If you have a video card with 4gb of Vram ENB can use 0 gb RAM because, normally, not need it.

[Grey Cloud]

12 minutes ago, GenioMaestro said:

Now, explain me, if you want, what is the problem of put VideoMemorySizeMb = 4096

 

;Users should download and run Boris's VRamSizeTest tool. Run the VRamSizeDX9.exe. Windows 7 users subtract 170 from the value provided and use that value. Windows 8/8.1 users use the value provided. Windows 10 users subtract 350 from the value provided and use that value.

 

12 minutes ago, GenioMaestro said:

ENBoost is highly recommended to be used by anyone who has 2GB VRAM or less. Users with newer videos which have at least 4GB VRAM may not require its use.

"may not" is not "definitely will not". I tried running without ENBoost when I got my 4GB card and soon went back to ENBoost. You may also want to ask yourself when that S.T.E.P. statement was written.
 

[GenioMaestro]

1 hour ago, Grey Cloud said:

 

;Users should download and run Boris's VRamSizeTest tool. Run the VRamSizeDX9.exe. Windows 7 users subtract 170 from the value provided and use that value. Windows 8/8.1 users use the value provided. Windows 10 users subtract 350 from the value provided and use that value.

 

"may not" is not "definitely will not". I tried running without ENBoost when I got my 4GB card and soon went back to ENBoost. You may also want to ask yourself when that S.T.E.P. statement was written.
 

If you fill ALL your Vram you NEED enb for swap Vram to RAM. But that happend because you have some mods in HD and you use a lot of followers and YOU NEED enb. Normally, the 90% of the users not fill the 4 gb of Vram and 90% of the users with 4gb of Vram not need ENB and for that STEP say (MAY NOT):

ENBoost is highly recommended to be used by anyone who has 2GB VRAM or less. Users with newer videos which have at least 4GB VRAM may not require its use.

 

The value that show in the VRamSizeTest is the TOTAL MAXIMUM POSIBLE memory that can be used. Say near 9600 for me and, of course, my ENB never go to use that. The maximun i see on my machine is near 2 gb because i have a video card with 2 gb of Vram. In a machine with 4 gb of Vram normally use less. If the video card have 6 or 8 gb of Vram enb can use 0 = CERO RAM.

Putting the MAXIMUM POSIBLE value in VideoMemorySizeMb not mean ENB go to use it. In the same way, have 32 gb of RAM not mean your computer go to use it. The computer, as ENB, use the memory that NEED, not more.