Can someone make a fix for Deviously Helpless?

[Nymra]

Hey,

 

I have one (hopefully) not so big request: 

 

Deviously Helpless mod is a Defeat mod that works without combat. When in devices enemies (humans/draugr) do not attack the player. The player submits automatically and is raped and then released. 

I find this mod perfect, especially in combination with certain other mods (Shout like a Virgin). 

BUT it has a big drawback:

 

- after rape the NPCs ALWAYS equip a simple zaz armbinder to the player. The armbinder disables fast travel AND menue and it is a real annoyance to get rid of it. 
it breaks immersion often, because most of the time the player is already bound. Sadly, there is no MCM option to remove the restraint or prevent NPC from doing so... 

 

My request is this: can someone write a fix for the mod that PREVENTS the NPC from equipping the wrist restraints? 

And, just in case: there seem to be some random CTDs connected with Deviously Helpless. So if someone cares... maybe someone can fix that too?

 

Alternatively: is there a mod who does the same (automatic defeat for player and rape, without enemies turning hostile in the first place)? Would fix my problem, too. 

 

Thank you so much. 

https://www.loverslab.com/topic/28298-deviously-helpless/
 

[donttouchmethere]

I have the same Issues with deviously helpless

 

but I found out that if you combine NDUN+DEC you can simulate the same effect

• NDUN for the helpless feature and the Defeat feature
• DEC for the approach on range and the item adding, maybe even enslavement

together thy rock!

(DEC and NDUN are partly incompatible, DEC's forcegreet will confict NDUN force greets, leaving NDUN forcegreets without dialog. May contain Nuts)

[Monoman1]

And wasn't there an updated version of deviously helpless made? Can't remember who made it though. 

 

Edit: is this it?

https://www.loverslab.com/files/file/2800-deviously-helpless-patched-v117a-20160329/

 

[donttouchmethere]

1 hour ago, Monoman1 said:

And wasn't there an updated version of deviously helpless made? Can't remember who made it though. 

 

Edit: is this it?

https://www.loverslab.com/files/file/2800-deviously-helpless-patched-v117a-20160329/

 

thats what I used, main issue for me

random CTD on my setup if daugr/spiders are envolved, might be just a conflict (factions? hateful wenches? estrus spider? new MNC?)

all I experianced was, my game got a lot less stable with it installed, mainly daugr themed dungeons got realy crash happy (like 100% ctd after a few minutes)

 

stuck in "friendly to all" or in "skeleton/spider faction" faction was another issue IIRC

 

I used it always in combination with SLdefeat, that didnt made things better I guess

 

DDi  introduced heavy bondage keyword

zaz got some updates

loosing the weapon always removes the favored flag on weapons if they drop (thats cool the first few hours, or just change to magic)

changing weapons triggers already the helpless function => a mess in combat

[Nymra]

3 hours ago, donttouchmethere said:

I have the same Issues with deviously helpless

 

but I found out that if you combine NDUN+DEC you can simulate the same effect

• NDUN for the helpless feature and the Defeat feature
• DEC for the approach on range and the item adding, maybe even enslavement

together thy rock!

(DEC and NDUN are partly incompatible, DEC's forcegreet will confict NDUN force greets, leaving NDUN forcegreets without dialog. May contain Nuts)

 

EDIT: wait... do you mean I can only activate the helpless feature in NDUN and then let Deviously Enslaved trigger even from enemies (that are now non-hostile?!). That would be an approach I did not try yet, if that is correct. 
 

I know. But sadly NDUN is not working out for me, since I cannot have the civilian rape feature activated (Shout like a Virgin gets messy with that). I need a small weight solution which is basically preventing enemies from attacking. I wished Shout like a Virgin had it built in, but the mod kinda asks for fighting naked and in chains (which is also ok sometimes. But I just want to play my mods, no matter which one, by just beeing raped by the enemies and then left alone. 
With Defeat I sometimes get really weird issues and I have to surrender first. 

 

The most important aspect is the automatic submit/surrender without enemies even attacking. Mostly it is just annoying, but for Shout like a Virgin every hit on the player triggers that damned bitch Nocturnal which cannot be deactivated via MCM. She messes up all combat defeat mods except Deviously Helpless. But the armbinde feature from helpless is incompatible with all the devices that come with Shout like a Virgin...

 

Sigh... I really love all the mods and the modders who dedicate their time. But so often mods are perfect but for ONE single feature that totally destroys everything and also happens to be the ONLY feature that has no MCM option, hehehehe... 

 

[Nymra]

1 hour ago, Monoman1 said:

And wasn't there an updated version of deviously helpless made? Can't remember who made it though. 

 

Edit: is this it?

https://www.loverslab.com/files/file/2800-deviously-helpless-patched-v117a-20160329/

 

Yeah, there is. But it does not remove the feature with the autoamtically attached armbinder
You can turn off the feature of adding devices during/after rape, but even when everything is turned off, the bandits still equip that damned wrist restraint.... makes me mad, especially because cheating it away every time is such a pain... ?

[donttouchmethere]

27 minutes ago, Nymra said:

EDIT: wait... do you mean I can only activate the helpless feature in NDUN and then let Deviously Enslaved trigger even from enemies (that are now non-hostile?!). That would be an approach I did not try yet, if that is correct. 

thats correct

check NDUN topic, I wrote a bit more about that there

 

but what basicly happens:

• NDUN helpless calmes hostiles in a "endless" radius (guess faction)
• DEC registers those calmed hostiles as friendly and former hostile NPCs are able to approach (on my setup thats over 10k units away)
• NDUN defeat locks you in zaz furniture, after NDUN zaz struggle =>dont leaving the furniture => DEC adds you sitting in furniture as vulnerable
• my ultimate combo is NDUN+DFWS+DEC (NDUN puts you into furniture, DFWS locks it, DEC and DFWS does the approaches), sadly DFWS is too bugged for a real game (for example the edless "add padlock" loop), so just fun testing around
• NDUN disguise works like the helpless feature if its combined with DEC
• NDUN adds DDs after defeat and can be set to steal your stuff
• DEC can be set to add DD/DCL DD and gives a chance to get enslaved to SD+ right on the spot (local enslavement)
• extra bonus if you run DEC+SDplus: during enslavment you get approached regulary and DECs add DDs makes escape harder
• extra bonus if running with SSplus+DEC+DF+doppelganger => you can get enslaved to yourself as outcome^^

 

so lots of options to play with

 

(dont set NDUN civil rape below 1% => deactivates helpless feature; DEC and NDUN are partly incompatible: DEC's forcegreet will confict NDUN force greets, leaving NDUN forcegreets without dialog. May contain Nuts)

 

 

[Nymra]

1 hour ago, donttouchmethere said:

thats correct

check NDUN topic, I wrote a bit more about that there

 

but what basicly happens:

• NDUN helpless calmes hostiles in a "endless" radius (guess faction)
• DEC registers those calmed hostiles as friendly and former hostile NPCs are able to approach (on my setup thats over 10k units away)
• NDUN defeat locks you in zaz furniture, after NDUN zaz struggle =>dont leaving the furniture => DEC adds you sitting in furniture as vulnerable
• my ultimate combo is NDUN+DFWS+DEC (NDUN puts you into furniture, DFWS locks it, DEC and DFWS does the approaches), sadly DFWS is too bugged for a real game (for example the edless "add padlock" loop), so just fun testing around
• NDUN disguise works like the helpless feature if its combined with DEC
• NDUN adds DDs after defeat and can be set to steal your stuff
• DEC can be set to add DD/DCL DD and gives a chance to get enslaved to SD+ right on the spot (local enslavement)
• extra bonus if you run DEC+SDplus: during enslavment you get approached regulary and DECs add DDs makes escape harder
• extra bonus if running with SSplus+DEC+DF+doppelganger => you can get enslaved to yourself as outcome^^

 

so lots of options to play with

 

(dont set NDUN civil rape below 1% => deactivates helpless feature; DEC and NDUN are partly incompatible: DEC's forcegreet will confict NDUN force greets, leaving NDUN forcegreets without dialog. May contain Nuts)

 

 

hmmm, sounds interesting... I m just concerned that NDUN + DEC together are running too many scripts on my game and Shout like a Virgin already seems to slow things down a bit. 

And civilian rape is interfering with Shout, so I was hoping I could set it to 0% and still have helpless feature  hmm. Worth a try, tho. 
 

[Monoman1]

17 hours ago, Nymra said:

You can turn off the feature of adding devices during/after rape, but even when everything is turned off, the bandits still equip that damned wrist restraint.

So there is an option but it just doesn't work?

I don't use DH so I'm just trying to get my head around this. 

[Nymra]

On 11/8/2018 at 1:10 PM, Monoman1 said:

So there is an option but it just doesn't work?

I don't use DH so I'm just trying to get my head around this. 

Oh! An answer I did not see it seems
 

Not exactly.

DH has a function that has no option to turn it off. It equips a wrist armbinder made of rope that is added in ADDITION to everything else (so even if there is already a yoke for example).

 

All that is necessary is to deactivate that function for DH, so it does not equip that certain armbinder. 
You can try it yourself, basically the wrist rope gets equipped every time. It removes itself after some minutes I think, but it still basically break the mod, gaaah. It makes me mad everytime I think about it. Need to get out of here, lol

[donttouchmethere]

On 11/7/2018 at 10:13 PM, Nymra said:

And civilian rape is interfering with Shout, so I was hoping I could set it to 0% and still have helpless feature  hmm. Worth a try, tho. 

Just revisited your topic and saw your concern, or at least wonder what is meant by that.

Why is NDUN civil rape interfering with Shout?

Anything I need to know?

Or you mean if you calm via shout you get approached by NPC via NDUN?