mynameisreptar Posted October 31, 2018 Posted October 31, 2018 First off, hello fellow modders! First time posting and could use some help. After updating my XP32 Maximum skeleton to the latest update, I can no longer create a female character in Racemenu without a CTD. I also cannot load any female PC saves without it crashing in the loading screen. I can create a male character or load a male save but once I go out into Skyrim or load in a city, I get a CTD. Possibly from the presence of female NPCs. I've tried reinstalling my Cbbe body, Bodyslide, Realistic Ragdolls and Force, HDT Physics Extension, Racemenu, FNIS, animation mods, and XP32 altogether but to no avail. I'll batch build with Bodyslide for all armors. Every time I make an attempt to load a game, I make sure to run FNIS and LOOT. I've made sure the files in my character assets and character assets female match the the time I reinstalled CBBE and XP32. I've verified the integrity of my games files through steam and cleaned my master files through TES5Edit. I'm throwing stuff at the wall at this point and am at a complete loss. Am I missing something here? I feel as if there is something obvious I have not checked yet. My mod list is a bit extensive but has been working fine up to this point. Most of it is armor and monster mods. Would appreciate any advice. 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Grey Cloud Posted November 1, 2018 Posted November 1, 2018 Obvious thing would be to double-check you are using the LE skellie and not the SE version. Does the skellie give 115 bones in FNIS? You don't need Realistic Ragdolls it's now defunct as the skellie does the ragdolling. Have you checked the RM page? I seem to recall a specific cause and fix for a problem very similar to yours.
mynameisreptar Posted November 1, 2018 Author Posted November 1, 2018 18 minutes ago, Grey Cloud said: Obvious thing would be to double-check you are using the LE skellie and not the SE version. Does the skellie give 115 bones in FNIS? You don't need Realistic Ragdolls it's now defunct as the skellie does the ragdolling. Have you checked the RM page? I seem to recall a specific cause and fix for a problem very similar to yours. I am for sure using the LE version and not the SE. The skeleton gives 115 bones when I run FNIS. I'll delete Realistic Ragdolls then. What's the RM page? Do you happen to have a link?
Guest Posted November 1, 2018 Posted November 1, 2018 16 minutes ago, mynameisreptar said: I am for sure using the LE version and not the SE. The skeleton gives 115 bones when I run FNIS. I'll delete Realistic Ragdolls then. What's the RM page? Do you happen to have a link? If you use LE then you need Realistic Ragdolls to correctly use XPMSE. Here is the link: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/601/
Gameplayer Posted November 1, 2018 Posted November 1, 2018 This sounds like an easy fix, just reinstall the female skeleton... Its very common to overwrite the skeleton, actually installing realistic ragdolls after the HDT female skeleton is often an issue as RR has its own female skeleton in the mod.
mynameisreptar Posted November 1, 2018 Author Posted November 1, 2018 45 minutes ago, CPU said: If you use LE then you need Realistic Ragdolls to correctly use XPMSE. Here is the link: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/601/ Soo I do need Realistic Ragdolls? When I check LOOT it says the files in Realistic Ragdolls are already in the latest version of XP32. Did this change with the latest update?
mynameisreptar Posted November 1, 2018 Author Posted November 1, 2018 42 minutes ago, Gameplayer said: This sounds like an easy fix, just reinstall the female skeleton... Its very common to overwrite the skeleton, actually installing realistic ragdolls after the HDT female skeleton is often an issue as RR has its own female skeleton in the mod. I've overwritten RR everytime I reinstall XP32. Is there specific order I should do this?
Guest Posted November 1, 2018 Posted November 1, 2018 RR before XPMSE. No more than that. But be sure XPMSE will be one of the last mods and will never be overwritten.
Gameplayer Posted November 1, 2018 Posted November 1, 2018 Yes you install the XPMSE skeleton over the RR one. The RR skeleton is old, it wont function with HDT or BBP, will cause your game to crash everytime a female is in loading cell if its the skeleton present. RR isn't a hard requirement anyway. As far as XPMSE, you only strictly need the skeleton from the mesh folder, and nothing else in its zip file.
mynameisreptar Posted November 1, 2018 Author Posted November 1, 2018 1 hour ago, CPU said: RR before XPMSE. No more than that. But be sure XPMSE will be one of the last mods and will never be overwritten. 1 hour ago, Gameplayer said: Yes you install the XPMSE skeleton over the RR one. The RR skeleton is old, it wont function with HDT or BBP, will cause your game to crash everytime a female is in loading cell if its the skeleton present. RR isn't a hard requirement anyway. As far as XPMSE, you only strictly need the skeleton from the mesh folder, and nothing else in its zip file. Ive deleted and reinstalled RR then had XPMSE overwrite it and moved it to the bottom of the load order but I am still getting CTDs when I try to create a new female character or load a female save. I've tried with both the Plugins Esp version and the Mesh Realistic Force versions of RR
Gameplayer Posted November 1, 2018 Posted November 1, 2018 85 55 KS Hairdos - HDT.esp There is a patch for HDT bodies in this files optionals did you download and install that too?
onesumgame Posted November 1, 2018 Posted November 1, 2018 22 minutes ago, mynameisreptar said: Ive deleted and reinstalled RR then had XPMSE overwrite it and moved it to the bottom of the load order but I am still getting CTDs when I try to create a new female character or load a female save. I've tried with both the Plugins Esp version and the Mesh Realistic Force versions of RR You don't need Ragdolls as stated on the mod's description page: "XPSME - Includes the realistic version plugin settings so you don't need to install this mod" The Racemenu description page suggests that crashes can be caused by too many head part assets being loaded: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/29624
Gameplayer Posted November 1, 2018 Posted November 1, 2018 XP32 Maximum Skeleton Extended - XPMSE https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/68000/ The old XP32 skeleton is obsolete, just so we are clear I have linked the correct skeleton above. The other thing to come to mind is that well your expecting a lot from Skyrim....Can you even start a male character?
Psalam Posted November 1, 2018 Posted November 1, 2018 What I would like to see is a copy of the FNIS output (the text from the top part of FNIS after it has been run) along with knowing which boxes the OP ticked in the bottom half of FNIS.
Grey Cloud Posted November 1, 2018 Posted November 1, 2018 8 hours ago, mynameisreptar said: Soo I do need Realistic Ragdolls? When I check LOOT it says the files in Realistic Ragdolls are already in the latest version of XP32. Did this change with the latest update? No, LOOT is correct. RM is Race Menu. https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/29624/ You only need the 'Skeleton Arm Fix' box ticked in FNIS. You can run XPMSE with the esp deactivated but you lose some of the functions in Racemenu.
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