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So, you know how we have Paradise Halls to let you enslave npcs right? And with Dragonborn we got the Bend Will shout (and there's even a mod that expands its functionality). So the thought occurred to me: why don't we have a mod that lets us enslave dragons in a similar manner to PAH?

 

Don't get me wrong, I know the logistics of such a thing would probably be immensely complicated, that's why I'm not actually requesting someone do this. I'm just noting that I'm surprised I haven't seen someone take a crack at this is all.

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As far as I know there are two problems, one being the obvious size issues. The other, and probably more substantial problem, is that their behavior AI isn't like standard NPCs that you can have stand or lay around. They keep trying to fly off.

 

Probably the only way to do it would be the PAH method and replace an enslaved dragon with a new dragon-slave race that uses dragon models and skeletons and such, but none of the AI.

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10 hours ago, karlpaws said:

As far as I know there are two problems, one being the obvious size issues. The other, and probably more substantial problem, is that their behavior AI isn't like standard NPCs that you can have stand or lay around. They keep trying to fly off.

 

Probably the only way to do it would be the PAH method and replace an enslaved dragon with a new dragon-slave race that uses dragon models and skeletons and such, but none of the AI.

The size is indeed a problem and there isn't much to do about it, because due to the way the dragon animations and flight system is set up, downscaling them is pretty buggy (animations being distorted, collision boxes not updating and still being normal-dragon-sized. small dragons floating in mid-air or flying through the ground...). If you want to hang around with a dragon, you have to be aware all interiors are a no-go for them and exteriors may be problematic too if there isn't enough room for them to land (but they should still be able to provide air support in those cases). No way around it.

 

The AI is a problem as well, but in that case there are ways around it. The dragon follower system from the Alduin Dragon Follower mod is a good example, as (other) dragon followers are more or less feasible thanks to it.

10 hours ago, MadMansGun said:

well.........tests are ongoing......(not my project, but i am involved)

9 hours ago, typoking1107 said:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! HOLY SHIT! That's awesome!

To clarify, it is not a real "dragon enslavement" mod*; so far it only works on Alduin and it's heavily based on the follower mod above but with SL support thrown in. I should also mention that the responses to the dialogues shown on the pics are all voiced using Alduin's vanilla voices (Amorous Adventures style, by splicing).

 

*-> But the original mod's "lore" does have Alduin basically forced to be your slave by Akatosh, and this fact is reflected in all of the dialogues (most notably the SL ones), so I guess there's indeed a bit of "dragon slavement" in it. But it doesn't work on random dragons like PAH does, only him. For now, at least :classic_rolleyes:.

 

Next up would be to see if the custom follower system can be used on other dragons (mainly Paarthurnax and/or Odahviing); if it works, then it should also be possible to get it to work on random dragons on runtime and maybe (just maybe) set up a system like the one PAH has to replace the original dragon with a separate copy that lacks the standard AI and uses the follower AI instead, as @karlpaws mentioned. But none of those things are guaranteed to happen or work, so there's that.

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1 hour ago, Blaze69 said:

then it should also be possible to get it to work on random dragons on runtime

small problem with that, random dragons don't have the "defaultAllowPCDialogueScript"

(the easy fix would be to edit there race to have the AllowPCDialogue flag)

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2 hours ago, MadMansGun said:

small problem with that, random dragons don't have the "defaultAllowPCDialogueScript"

(the easy fix would be to edit there race to have the AllowPCDialogue flag)

All that script does is use the "AllowPCDialogue" command everytime the actor is loaded, so in theory it should be possible to replicate it on runtime even with an actor that doesn't have the script added by default (or at least I assume it would).

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11 hours ago, Blaze69 said:

*-> But the original mod's "lore" does have Alduin basically forced to be your slave by Akatosh, and this fact is reflected in all of the dialogues (most notably the SL ones), so I guess there's indeed a bit of "dragon slavement" in it. But it doesn't work on random dragons like PAH does, only him. For now, at least :classic_rolleyes:.

To be honest, I would have tried it on him first anyways, so I'm still pretty happy! ? 

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30 minutes ago, Hakaru said:

When will this be released?

No idea so far. SoonTM, I guess.

 

The Alduin part (shown above) is done already, but we're also aiming to include Odahviing and Paarthurnax on the fun (including follower support for them like Alduin has) and that's going to take a while. Plus, dialogue has to 1) be written around their existing vanilla lines so those can be spliced to get voiced responses and 2) not be horribly cheesy. Point 1 is hard enough of itself, but if you add Point 2 to the mix and couple it all with a nice lack of creativity and writing skills, ETAs grow exponentially, lol. :classic_unsure:

30 minutes ago, Hakaru said:

Link to the thread or the name of the user so I can message?

That would be yours truly.

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2 hours ago, Blaze69 said:

The Alduin part (shown above) is done already, but we're also aiming to include Odahviing and Paarthurnax on the fun (including follower support for them like Alduin has) and that's going to take a while. Plus, dialogue has to 1) be written around their existing vanilla lines so those can be spliced to get voiced responses and 2) not be horribly cheesy. Point 1 is hard enough of itself, but if you add Point 2 to the mix and couple it all with a nice lack of creativity and writing skills, ETAs grow exponentially, lol. :classic_unsure:

I'm pretty decent writer, maybe I could help?

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49 minutes ago, typoking1107 said:

I'm pretty decent writer, maybe I could help?

a small sample of my horribly cheesy spliced voiced responses:

you are persistent Dovahkiin you will feast on my dovah cum.wav

 

You may not be dovah, but you do me like a dova.wav

 

i can not do that humiliating position.wav

 

willing or no you will feel my cum dovahkiin.wav

 

I honor your courage cum in me.wav

 

and they only get more funny worse, and unusable/unsuitable for the mod.

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41 minutes ago, typoking1107 said:

I'm pretty decent writer, maybe I could help?

Maybe. The main snag right now (apart from me being lazy and not wanting to deal with the CK's crap) is coming up with proper dialogue for the sex scenes for Odahviing and Paarthurnax. Alduin's is already done, and writing it wasn't extremely difficult thanks to the original mod's lore having him basically be the PC's "slave". That way we can go for "horny/pervy PC orders Alduin to do pervy stuff and he has to obey", and it's reflected both on the PC's lines and on Alduin's responses.

 

The other two, though... How could it work out without sounding extremely cheesy and/or out of a cheap scaly porno?

 

This is what I've got on a possible way to go around it:

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Okay, so, I think I've explained it in more detail elsewhere, but my headcanon for dragons are: since they are divine beings and very powerful and stuff, they don't need to do normal mortal stuff like breathing or eating or reproducing or whatnot, and the concepts are very much unknown/alien to them since they are not mortal, but their bodies are still fully biological and capable of doing those things.

 

Since Paarthy is pretty much the (still living) dragon that has had more contact with mortals of all the dragons, chances are he's picked up on the idea a bit but still doesn't know much about it. He's also the most likely to dabble in mortal affairs like those due to said contact/closeness. Here is where we can throw in a mix of all your above suggestions:

 

The PC makes some questions about dragon reproduction, to which Paarthy replies they don't (naturally) do so, but hints at him knowing mortals do and maybe being a bit interested in it on account of dragon bodies maybe being able to try to do so (and boredom). A horny/naughty PC presses him on the topic and can convince him to give it a shot and see what it's like. Once it happens, he finds out how good it feels it and also how it works as a great and non-dangerous way to get release (which he desperately needs thanks to a lifetime of meditation to keep his natural domination urges at bay). Enter Paarthy the Sex Fiend. Done.

Still pretty cheesy, but hey, that's why it's a snag.

 

Odahviing has kind of the same problem, though in his case I've always seen him as younger than "old-sensei" Paarthurnax and "self-absorbed-jerk" Alduin, so he may also be more willing to try out new stuff like that and/or interested in mortal affairs (or at least the PC's). But haven't got much else for him for now.

 

At the very least, dialogues would be needed for the different sex options like the ones shown on the Alduin pic above, but it would feel weird to have the options just there without at least some kind of introduction or explanation like the quote above, so that would be nice as well. On top of that, their lines would have to be written in such a way that they can be created by splicing their vanilla voice files so there aren't any random silent lines in the mod (which would be weird as all of the other lines are voiced). The Voice File Reference Tool  would come in handy for this.

 

If you really think you can come up with something that fits this criteria and constraints, that would certainly help. I can post more detailed info (like the current sex options and Alduin's dialogue for them as reference) if you or anyone else want to give it a shot.

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A couple potential tangents for Par and Oda related to human to human and human to dragon copulation...

 

Par is interested in learning, knowing, understanding.  Taking that knowledge into yourself (and hence why he could not KNOW a Word like Dragonrend) to the level of understanding it at a base level to fully use it as shouts.  Now being a male of the species he probably can't properly "take into himself" but experience can be a great teacher to and to experience arousal, copulation, orgasm, and such requires practice to gain mastery. Thus he may wish to witness all forms of man/mer/etc copulation, and then practice it himself.

 

Oda is probably closer to Alduin in dominance over learning, but could be placated by people holding orgies to find the most wanton female worthy of debasing herself with him... or however you'd like to phrase it.

 

The snag in that would be they seem to value someone's arguments, that someone has a stronger, more righteous Thu'um, over practice and action but Par might be willing to learn and let Oda be chief of a new dragon cult, as long he he limits it to watching, and not torching villages that wish not to participate.

 

 

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On ‎10‎/‎22‎/‎2018 at 5:12 PM, Blaze69 said:

If you really think you can come up with something that fits this criteria and constraints, that would certainly help.

Hmm... yeah I see the problem. There isn't a lot to work with. Odahviing thankfully shares a voice actor with all the other dragons besides Paarthurnax and Alduin and he already has a few lines for following orders thanks to Dragonborn, so he might have enough lines for me to get manage something. I'll get back to you if I can make anything work. In the meantime, perhaps consider making the Odahviing and Paarthurnax sex options its own separate mod. It may be that there isn't a way to meet all your criteria and constraints, so using silent dialog may be the only option available to you. Regardless, I'll try and see if I can't get something worked out.

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8 minutes ago, MadMansGun said:

unfortunately they don't sound the same:

 

 

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Well... never mind then. Fuck.

 

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18 minutes ago, Kaziix said:

anyone got any updates on this?

There's been some progress on this. Paarthurnax now has a working intro dialogue and sex selection lines; took us a while, and it's still pretty cheesy, but it gets the job done. Next up is finishing an alternate version of said dialogue that makes him a bit more dominant and allows access to different sex dialogues and options (mainly vore ones from HCoS). Which path to take is up to the player depending on which dialogue path they choose during said intro dialogue, or at least that's the plan for now.

 

Once that is done, Paarthurnax' content will be pretty much finished as we don't intend to add follower support for him (just Odahviing and Alduin for now). Then it's on to writing Oda's dialogues, which doesn't look like it will be easy at all due to the limited options with his vanilla voice lines. There's also a bunch of other stuff that's being discussed, but nothing clear for now. Bottom line, once Oda's content is done and if nothing else comes up/works out, it shouldn't take much long for the mod (or at least a first version of it) to be released.

 

TL;DR: SoonTM

 

And the length of said "Soon" will depend on how hard it is to get Oda's dialogue to not sound straight out of a porno and whether any of the other stuff we're looking into works out or not. And I'm obviously not counting other possibilities like RL getting in the way and such. So stay tuned for now.

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On 10/3/2018 at 6:09 PM, MadMansGun said:

well.........tests are ongoing......(not my project, but i am involved)

dialogue needs some SERIOUS work to be a lot less cringy and overly polite... Just cut to the chase, quit beating around the bush with "proper eloquence". Just tell the overgrown lizard to whip his dick out cause you wanna dock him.

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