Deviously Cursed Loot SE 9.0 (2021-03-09)

[creationkit123]

So after about 70 hours in the update script tends to freeze the game for a second or two.  Worked completely fine prior to this.

 

I'm seeing these papyrus logs pop up right when it freezes. 

 

[12/04/2022 - 07:48:33PM] [DCUR] Periodical update starts

 

Every minute or so when it updates it freezes/stutters.  I disabled DCL and the freezing went away.  Re-enabling caused it to come back.  Anyone else this issue or  find a workaround? 

[zarantha]

8 hours ago, creationkit123 said:

So after about 70 hours in the update script tends to freeze the game for a second or two.  Worked completely fine prior to this.

 

I'm seeing these papyrus logs pop up right when it freezes. 

 

[12/04/2022 - 07:48:33PM] [DCUR] Periodical update starts

 

Every minute or so when it updates it freezes/stutters.  I disabled DCL and the freezing went away.  Re-enabling caused it to come back.  Anyone else this issue or  find a workaround? 

 

try going into the MCM and adjust things so they aren't as frequent, or check the option on the debug page of the MCM for less frequent updates.

 

Haven't heard of anyone else reporting this. But honestly, on a script heavy list you're more likely to run into issues during a long run and it's not any one mod's fault. And what's in the papyrus log is not necessarily the problem - it's just the last thing logged before the problem. It's entirely possible that something else was trying to do something at the same time as DCL and didn't get logged. You also should not disable scripted mods mid game. It's a good way to bork your save.

[merryMalfunctioning]

13 hours ago, creationkit123 said:

So after about 70 hours in the update script tends to freeze the game for a second or two.  Worked completely fine prior to this.

 

I'm seeing these papyrus logs pop up right when it freezes. 

 

[12/04/2022 - 07:48:33PM] [DCUR] Periodical update starts

 

Every minute or so when it updates it freezes/stutters.  I disabled DCL and the freezing went away.  Re-enabling caused it to come back.  Anyone else this issue or  find a workaround? 

 

If that's happening and you're convinced that scripts are the cause, then try making a quicksave during the stutter and then examining it in ReSaver. It will show you what Scripts are running; that can sometimes give you an indication of which script is overloading papyrus (if any).

 

You can also try disabling Papyrus logging; when a lot of scripts run at once, papyrus will "dump the stack" which involves writing a lot of data to the log all at once. Disk access is a much more likely cause of stuttering than anything a script is doing. Cursed Loot is one of those mods that can create a lot of running scripts at the same time -- and that's fine, because Skyrim can handle it. Stack dumping is just an indicator that something might be wrong.

 

If you ever want an example of just how good skyrim is at handling massive numbers of running scripts, install DynDoLod and make a quicksave immediately after leaving the Helgen caves on a new game. Then check the ActiveScripts section!)
 

[tonitrulupus]

I may have found a weird glitch, If you are doing helgen reborn mod and do NOT do the chole quest the saves will corrupt and cause a CTD.  and it will at least for me corrupted any where from 10 to 100 saves, as for as it looks chloe quest **MUST** be completed before starting the reborn helgen mod.

[Gh0sTG0]

2 minutes ago, tonitrulupus said:

I may have found a weird glitch, If you are doing helgen reborn mod and do NOT do the chole quest the saves will corrupt and cause a CTD.  and it will at least for me corrupted any where from 10 to 100 saves, as for as it looks chloe quest **MUST** be completed before starting the reborn helgen mod.

IMHO That should be added to description into compatibility section.

TY for that info.

[creationkit123]

On 12/5/2022 at 4:58 AM, zarantha said:

 

try going into the MCM and adjust things so they aren't as frequent, or check the option on the debug page of the MCM for less frequent updates.

 

Haven't heard of anyone else reporting this. But honestly, on a script heavy list you're more likely to run into issues during a long run and it's not any one mod's fault. And what's in the papyrus log is not necessarily the problem - it's just the last thing logged before the problem. It's entirely possible that something else was trying to do something at the same time as DCL and didn't get logged. You also should not disable scripted mods mid game. It's a good way to bork your save.

Well it consistently happens with the DCL updates. And yes when I enable low performance mode it happens less often, though it still happens. And I only disabled it through the DCL MCM, I didn't actually disable the mod itself.  Once I disabled it through the mod itself the stuttering completely went away. 

Interestingly enough, whenever I get a DCL quest like the parasite one for example the stuttering goes away.  Going to see if the stuttering comes back when I complete the quest.

[creationkit123]

On 12/5/2022 at 9:41 AM, markdf said:

 

If that's happening and you're convinced that scripts are the cause, then try making a quicksave during the stutter and then examining it in ReSaver. It will show you what Scripts are running; that can sometimes give you an indication of which script is overloading papyrus (if any).

 

You can also try disabling Papyrus logging; when a lot of scripts run at once, papyrus will "dump the stack" which involves writing a lot of data to the log all at once. Disk access is a much more likely cause of stuttering than anything a script is doing. Cursed Loot is one of those mods that can create a lot of running scripts at the same time -- and that's fine, because Skyrim can handle it. Stack dumping is just an indicator that something might be wrong.

 

If you ever want an example of just how good skyrim is at handling massive numbers of running scripts, install DynDoLod and make a quicksave immediately after leaving the Helgen caves on a new game. Then check the ActiveScripts section!)
 

That's a good idea.  I'll try the quicksave method.

The papyrus logging probably isn't the issue since I had it turned off prior to the stuttering.  However admittedly it could be a hard drive thing because Skyrim and MO are on a SSD while all the mods are all installed on a separate HDD.


What's interesting though is the stuttering goes away when I start a DCL quest like the parasite one.  I'll to do some more testing and see if I get stuttering after completing the quest.

[tonitrulupus]

2 hours ago, Gh0sTG0 said:

IMHO That should be added to description into compatibility section.

TY for that info.

I just stumbles across it this last run through

[tonitrulupus]

On 12/4/2022 at 8:55 PM, creationkit123 said:

So after about 70 hours in the update script tends to freeze the game for a second or two.  Worked completely fine prior to this.

 

I'm seeing these papyrus logs pop up right when it freezes. 

 

[12/04/2022 - 07:48:33PM] [DCUR] Periodical update starts

 

Every minute or so when it updates it freezes/stutters.  I disabled DCL and the freezing went away.  Re-enabling caused it to come back.  Anyone else this issue or  find a workaround? 

I have also seen google chrome cause stutters, fps loss etc.  so if you are running any browsers also try to shut them do and if you can run only what you need  to run the computer. I also have seen that this last up date for AE, and you move it back to SE has cause some of the same type  issues, I have to drop my textures to 1k until I can get a better vid card.

[Gh0sTG0]

1 hour ago, tonitrulupus said:

I have also seen google chrome cause stutters, fps loss etc.  so if you are running any browsers also try to shut them do and if you can run only what you need  to run the computer.

Plus you can try to turn off all you can from your autorun. Restart pc. Don't starting anything, let it boot. Then manually start steam and game.

That how I was doing on my old pc and it gives me some more... stability and smoothness in game process... For some time...

[zarantha]

3 hours ago, tonitrulupus said:

I may have found a weird glitch, If you are doing helgen reborn mod and do NOT do the chole quest the saves will corrupt and cause a CTD.  and it will at least for me corrupted any where from 10 to 100 saves, as for as it looks chloe quest **MUST** be completed before starting the reborn helgen mod.

 

Please provide proof in the form of a crash log.

 

If you don't want to do the chloe quest then before starting helgen reborn go find her in the cell and tell her she's on her own. That will end the entire quest chain for DCL, including Chloe.

[merryMalfunctioning]

7 hours ago, creationkit123 said:

That's a good idea.  I'll try the quicksave method.

The papyrus logging probably isn't the issue since I had it turned off prior to the stuttering.  However admittedly it could be a hard drive thing because Skyrim and MO are on a SSD while all the mods are all installed on a separate HDD.


What's interesting though is the stuttering goes away when I start a DCL quest like the parasite one.  I'll to do some more testing and see if I get stuttering after completing the quest.

 

If you do find something interesting the savefile, please let me know! I'm something of a connoisseur of savefile problems.

[tonitrulupus]

6 hours ago, Gh0sTG0 said:

Plus you can try to turn off all you can from your autorun. Restart pc. Don't starting anything, let it boot. Then manually start steam and game.

That how I was doing on my old pc and it gives me some more... stability and smoothness in game process... For some time...

There use to be an option in widows that you set windows up to only run specific background processes just for game, I have not seen it for win 10 but that dont mean it cant be done, its just like you stated, I think that was dropped in xp. anything running in the back ground can slow the system down. sometimes its just scripts not playing nice with each other. I had an old copy of PSQ, and it was NOT playing nice with Devious at all, it would CTD randomly and once I updated it it fixed 95% of the CTD issue. This being  said you never know what can be causing issues until trouble shooting the issue and is the sucky part is sometime you have to go through all mods before you fine the problem child

[Gh0sTG0]

21 minutes ago, tonitrulupus said:

There use to be an option in widows that you set windows up to only run specific background processes just for game, I have not seen it for win 10 but that dont mean it cant be done, its just like you stated, I think that was dropped in xp. anything running in the back ground can slow the system down.

I don't know. Just thought it necessary to note that some people has too much things in their autorun. Like there will start windows, and then will start steam, egs, origin and some more game soft, then there will start viber, whatsapp, skype, and some more messaging soft, then - alot of screenshoots apps, online drive apps, etc...
And 2 antiviruses, never forget to double your defense and start 2 av's in one time! (There should be no mere then ONE antivirus, yep)

[tonitrulupus]

8 hours ago, Gh0sTG0 said:

I don't know. Just thought it necessary to note that some people has too much things in their autorun. Like there will start windows, and then will start steam, egs, origin and some more game soft, then there will start viber, whatsapp, skype, and some more messaging soft, then - alot of screenshoots apps, online drive apps, etc...
And 2 antiviruses, never forget to double your defense and start 2 av's in one time! (There should be no mere then ONE antivirus, yep)

I agree fully, I have been working with or in the IT field in some form or another for about 40 years, I have seen people total forget or not even know that there are programs that run without the knowledge of the user .

Just did a search an I stand corrected, windows 10 has a gaming mode This would be an effective method to rule out something running on your system.  simple sure would show the how twos, and I would always suggest ruling out the most obvious first the computer system, then work back to the mods.

Edited December 7, 2022 by tonitrulupus

[Leadaire]

Hello. I get random starting female solo masturbating scene especially at load save. May this mod be cause of that? Also I use those SexLab's thematic mods: DD, DCL, The Ancient Profession, SL Aroused, ZaZ, Gigolo prostitution/Radiant prost., Simple Sexing, SL Sexual Fame, Public Whore, Simple Slavery, Defeat, Cum Alchemy, Fill Her Up + Inflation Framework, Drunk Redux, Prison Alternative, SL Hormones, MNC + Creature framework, SL Match Maker, Solutions + Confabulation, SL Dibella Cult, Eager NPC, Furniture marker sex, SLSF Comments, S.L.U.T.S. (which has new update on loverslab), SL pay sex crime. I understand that I making offtop but I checked all settings in MCM and don't found/understood which can cause that. Before I play without DCL + The Ancient Prof. + S.L.U.T.S. at old game (now I make full reinstall Skyrim SE and setup by MO2 - before I had used Nexus MM) and don't have that problem. Maybe any mod from this list can cause that I don't know. Help please anybody if you can.

[Leadaire]

Oh and I have SlaveTats

[vinceagashi]

I have POP set to 100% and vanilla prison is unchecked. It still uses vanilla prison every time.

[FireFlame]

Hello, I had an event trigger in Helgen that equipped my character with a slut collar. I have not been able to figure out how to remove it. I have tried waiting/sleeping for extended periods of time, I have tried attempting to struggle/lockpick out, I have attempted to use a universal key while only equipping it, using the safeword to unequip, and nothing has worked. Is there some condition I am missing, or is it bugged? I would like to get it off as I do not appear to be able to progress Chloe's quest past the point of talking to Nazeem with it on.

[FirelyteBrat]

Should be a setting in the mcm that controls the collar and how long you have to go without sex it has a setting jsut put it to 1 to 2 day max and wait it out i had it set for 2 days max took 4 for the unlock to come

[wareware]

Sadly Papyrus Tweaks NG exacerbates this mod's issues and causes freezing. I was hoping it would alleviate some of the script lag concerns but alas.

[zarantha]

On 12/7/2022 at 10:26 AM, Leadaire said:

Hello. I get random starting female solo masturbating scene especially at load save. May this mod be cause of that? Also I use those SexLab's thematic mods: DD, DCL, The Ancient Profession, SL Aroused, ZaZ, Gigolo prostitution/Radiant prost., Simple Sexing, SL Sexual Fame, Public Whore, Simple Slavery, Defeat, Cum Alchemy, Fill Her Up + Inflation Framework, Drunk Redux, Prison Alternative, SL Hormones, MNC + Creature framework, SL Match Maker, Solutions + Confabulation, SL Dibella Cult, Eager NPC, Furniture marker sex, SLSF Comments, S.L.U.T.S. (which has new update on loverslab), SL pay sex crime. I understand that I making offtop but I checked all settings in MCM and don't found/understood which can cause that. Before I play without DCL + The Ancient Prof. + S.L.U.T.S. at old game (now I make full reinstall Skyrim SE and setup by MO2 - before I had used Nexus MM) and don't have that problem. Maybe any mod from this list can cause that I don't know. Help please anybody if you can.

 

You can get the female masturbation from several mods. Yes, DCL will do this if arousal is high and wearing a belt. You can tweak several settings in the MCM to limit this, but you can't prevent it entirely other than ensuring your arousal is low. try drinking some frigid wash if you're having trouble managing your arousal. you can find frigid wash when looting flowers and such, or when searching barrels.

[zarantha]

On 12/8/2022 at 11:05 AM, vinceagashi said:

I have POP set to 100% and vanilla prison is unchecked. It still uses vanilla prison every time.

 

Is POP working if you start a new game without DCL? You have POP's requirements installed?

Try checking the option for vanilla prisons, exit and wait a few minutes, then uncheck it again.

[zarantha]

On 12/8/2022 at 5:46 PM, FireFlame said:

Hello, I had an event trigger in Helgen that equipped my character with a slut collar. I have not been able to figure out how to remove it. I have tried waiting/sleeping for extended periods of time, I have tried attempting to struggle/lockpick out, I have attempted to use a universal key while only equipping it, using the safeword to unequip, and nothing has worked. Is there some condition I am missing, or is it bugged? I would like to get it off as I do not appear to be able to progress Chloe's quest past the point of talking to Nazeem with it on.

 

Check the mcm options for what is required to unlock it. It should be a random number of days without sex, and that includes getting raped if you have that enabled. No sex at all, willing or not. Usually, you can go off into the wilderness and go exploring for a while. you can't wait, waiting doesn't count towards the time. sleeping might be ok, and it could be you didn't go quite long enough. If you didn't change the options and can't see them because the mcm is locked, the defaults are a minimum of 5 and a max of 20 days without sex.

[zarantha]

12 hours ago, wareware said:

Sadly Papyrus Tweaks NG exacerbates this mod's issues and causes freezing. I was hoping it would alleviate some of the script lag concerns but alas.

 

I'll see if I can take a look.