Deviously Cursed Loot SE 9.0 (2021-03-09)

[tophunk4]

31 minutes ago, Elsidia said:

Only one and in most situations is correct. Or two.

Check DCL MCM Debug menu. If there is active quest running true, it's disables DCL traps while you complete all DCL quests what's makes there variable true.  In most cases there is problem.

Second idea is you have low arousal. By default is arousal is lover as 20, it's not trigger a traps.

 

 

29 minutes ago, zarantha said:

 

In the debug menu, does it show true for active quest running?

Damn thats it... It says there is a quest running. Anyway to either let it apply things while quests are running or drop out of the quests?

[Elsidia]

42 minutes ago, tophunk4 said:

Anyway to either let it apply things while quests are running or drop out of the quests?

Need complete those quests. You can cancel quest by DCL MCM force, but it can break all other DCL quests.

 

[zarantha]

1 hour ago, Starphyre said:

All the info about Chloe was mostly background and for context. The question I asked is "IS RDO compatible with DCL's dialog?"

 

My 3rd question wasn't about Chloe raping me, it was that I'm getting attempts to rape me (from everyone) even though I'm locked in full chastity, and when it's anyone BESIDES Chloe, once the game realizes I can't be raped, it will just sit there waiting for an animation and I have to reload. 

 

Edit - brain fart. RDO (no idea why i was thinking RND) compatibililty is basic. If you've got keywords to alias you to a basic race, you should be referred to or treated as that type. Otherwise, no. There are no RDO patches and it shouldnt touch anything in DCL. Then again, it's a staple so I always have it too, not sure how things would work without it.

 

If you're locked in full chastity, there's options under rape to let the rapists have keys / strip belts. They'll do their business and lock you back up.

Otherwise, are you sure it's not the normal sexlab get stuck when starting animations? When you seem stuck, try opening and closing the console and menu. It may toss you into a solo event though, so i'm not sure that that is any better. My preference is for them to just strip it for the animation.

[Sethala]

Sorry for jumping in with a newbie question, but I'm just getting Skyrim started again and a bit overwhelmed at how much has changed since I last played with it. 

 

I'm starting over fresh, but I'm trying to figure out whether I should start fresh with SE or LE, since way back, I remember having to stick with LE because a lot of the DD stuff didn't work with SE.  Is this SE version as complete as the normal LE version, or would I be missing out on some DD/DCL content by using SE?

[Ramien]

On 5/14/2021 at 12:56 AM, Elsidia said:

Probably You have some mod what clears a corpses and corpse was removed. Or you have some mod what spawns this corpse into air.

Yeah, I'm seeing other corpses being moved randomly as well, and I don't have any mods installed that should be causing it, but I'm going to have to do some digging, it seems.

[zarantha]

24 minutes ago, Sethala said:

Sorry for jumping in with a newbie question, but I'm just getting Skyrim started again and a bit overwhelmed at how much has changed since I last played with it. 

 

I'm starting over fresh, but I'm trying to figure out whether I should start fresh with SE or LE, since way back, I remember having to stick with LE because a lot of the DD stuff didn't work with SE.  Is this SE version as complete as the normal LE version, or would I be missing out on some DD/DCL content by using SE?

 

Everything works the same now except there's a new requirement for gags (MFG Fix) and chains. HDT SMP has some limitations still that won't let chains work as well as they did in LE, and CBPC still only works on the body, shizof hasn't managed to make it work for 'cloth physics' yet which is what the chains would be. Some mods you used before will not work in LE or SE anymore, as the authors have been absent and the mods haven't been updated for DD 5.1. Captured Dreams is one example. But there shouldn't be anything other than cosmetic issues, you should be able to play through DCL on either Skyrim version.

 

There are non HDT versions of the chains that can be built in bodyslide if the chains not connecting bothers you. Some chains will connect and look right after a saving, exiting the game completely and loading again after the chains are equipped. Ankle chains do this, prisoner chains still don't connect but are much closer after the load. Wrist chains and prisoner chains are the worst still, although we've made more progress with them recently. Tails and ball and neck chains are fine.

 

For what works better - SE handles memory better. Currently LE DCL has an issue with a new inn with a lot of NPCs, many users have had to install memory fixes and adjust other memory settings just to get into the inn, otherwise it tends to CTD. I haven't heard of issues with getting into the inn with SE, but some users have reported a delay in loading all the furniture and NPCs.

 

I've got a list of known issues/workarounds/patches for SE on the troubleshooting post. This post is the same in both the DD and DCL threads.

 

[Starphyre]

1 hour ago, zarantha said:

 

Edit - brain fart. RDO (no idea why i was thinking RND) compatibililty is basic. If you've got keywords to alias you to a basic race, you should be referred to or treated as that type. Otherwise, no. There are no RDO patches and it shouldnt touch anything in DCL. Then again, it's a staple so I always have it too, not sure how things would work without it.

 

If you're locked in full chastity, there's options under rape to let the rapists have keys / strip belts. They'll do their business and lock you back up.

Otherwise, are you sure it's not the normal sexlab get stuck when starting animations? When you seem stuck, try opening and closing the console and menu. It may toss you into a solo event though, so i'm not sure that that is any better. My preference is for them to just strip it for the animation.

More accurately, the way I have the game set, they shouldn't be able to do this. I get a message in the upper left corner "X cannot have sex with you while you're locked in full chastity" but then it doesn't return control of the character to me. When Chloe is doing it, it's from a dialog option, I'm trying to get her to carry something or get my keys from her, and she'll make a comment about my bonds, and then say "Since you can't say no, lets have some fun" then I get the "Chloe can't have sex with you (etc)" and then the game returns control to me.

[zarantha]

2 hours ago, Starphyre said:

More accurately, the way I have the game set, they shouldn't be able to do this. I get a message in the upper left corner "X cannot have sex with you while you're locked in full chastity" but then it doesn't return control of the character to me. When Chloe is doing it, it's from a dialog option, I'm trying to get her to carry something or get my keys from her, and she'll make a comment about my bonds, and then say "Since you can't say no, lets have some fun" then I get the "Chloe can't have sex with you (etc)" and then the game returns control to me.

 

I still think it could be sexlab getting hung up, just on the front end now. but i could be wrong. It all depends on if sexlab is called while the DD anim filter is working through what is and isn't allowed. It shouldn't, but that doesn't mean that it doesn't - kinda like how we shouldn't be getting duplicate devices, but some folks are. But if DD did actually call sexlab before it was meant to, then it might not clean up the thread it sent there once it decides that it's not possible, leaving sexlab hung and not ending properly. 

 

If that's the case, then maybe ending all sexlab animations in sexlab's debug mcm will return control to you. Still a DD bug, but at least you won't be in a stuck state?

 

I'm in it more for the sex, rather than the bondage, but I suppose I can try testing without the strip setting to see if I can repro.

Still setting up the new game after making it unstable recently, so might be a bit.

[Synister Gates]

i ctd when entering the mines and taking a few steps, anyone got any idea what may be the cause of this?

[zarantha]

1 hour ago, Synister Gates said:

i ctd when entering the mines and taking a few steps, anyone got any idea what may be the cause of this?

 

Usually facegen or HDT chains. Try building the the no HDT version of the chains. If you still CTD, try face discoloration fix as a quick test.

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/42441

 

I'm not sure if that will fix CTDs related to facegen, so if that doesn't work, you'll need to export facegen using the ck.

https://www.creationkit.com/index.php?title=Dark_Face_Bug

 

If you're still crashing, it's something else. Get a crash log from netscriptframework.

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/21294

[Starphyre]

17 hours ago, zarantha said:

 

I still think it could be sexlab getting hung up, just on the front end now. but i could be wrong. It all depends on if sexlab is called while the DD anim filter is working through what is and isn't allowed. It shouldn't, but that doesn't mean that it doesn't - kinda like how we shouldn't be getting duplicate devices, but some folks are. But if DD did actually call sexlab before it was meant to, then it might not clean up the thread it sent there once it decides that it's not possible, leaving sexlab hung and not ending properly. 

 

If that's the case, then maybe ending all sexlab animations in sexlab's debug mcm will return control to you. Still a DD bug, but at least you won't be in a stuck state?

 

I'm in it more for the sex, rather than the bondage, but I suppose I can try testing without the strip setting to see if I can repro.

Still setting up the new game after making it unstable recently, so might be a bit.

I'm more in it for the bondage than the sex. But that's nice too. I'm not terribly worried, but like, say I'm trying to power through a shopping quest, I'll go full chastity. It just happens that this playthrough the game has been adamant about locking me in chastity gear. Although I do tend to keep the prrmium chastitty belt on cause my game started going through aroused, masturbate, unaraoused aroused cycles very fast. And I like the noises she makes when she's frustrated.

[delgathar]

On 5/14/2021 at 6:18 PM, aurreth said:

 

I've never been able to find a set of sane settings for DCL.  The defaults end up with you fully bound and then nonstop raped pretty much before you can even open MCM to turn things down, whereas I'm of the opinion that everything should be turned off by default so that you can enable things one at a time and slowly to get it where you want.

Yes. This would be ideal.  DCL rape just works so much better than Submit.  I keep on dying in Submit no matter what settings I have, but DCL will switch to rape scene with no problem.

[tekkkie]

Already asked this question in the Devious Devices forum, but now realize the items I am asking about are probably from DCL, so asking the same question here:

 

When wearing certain outfits (that cover the torso) my character's posture changes, such that any outfit piece on the upper legs clips through.

(The attached picture shows for catsuit, but same happens with spandex dresses and tentacles for example).

 

I suspect it has something to do with body type. When I look in BodySlide I only see UUNP versions of the tentacle "outfit, same for the spandex dress.
Are CBBE versions of these outfit available? Should I be using bodyslide differently?
Any help towards fixing this is appreciated =D

 

[zubr4444444]

Dark Face Issue Found
    Record:  \ [50] Deviously Cursed Loot.esp \ [19] GRUP Top "NPC_" \ [128] dcur_ltr_janine "Janine" [NPC_:5012929B] - Deviously Cursed Loot.esp
    Resource:    not exists

it's at seven NPC

 

 dcur_twac_emilia "Emilia" [NPC_:501140F7]

 dcur_ltr_sharga "Hearth-Wife Sharga" [NPC_:50111460]

dcur_ltr_Kaleen "Kaleen" [NPC_:50111463]

dcur_ltr_gurzul "Shield-Wife Gurzul" [NPC_:50111462]

dcur_ltr_ashaka "Forge-Wife Ashaka" [NPC_:50111461]

dcur_prison_rapistguard_2 "Prison Guard" [NPC_:501030F8]

the classic question is what to do? 

[Elsidia]

1 hour ago, tekkkie said:

When wearing certain outfits (that cover the torso) my character's posture changes, such that any outfit piece on the upper legs clips through.

Then you have installed DCL with UNP settings. I don't have UNP tentacles in my bodyslide but only CBBE.

Spoiler

 

[Elsidia]

1 hour ago, zubr4444444 said:

dcur_twac_emilia "Emilia" [NPC_:501140F7]

 dcur_ltr_sharga "Hearth-Wife Sharga" [NPC_:50111460]

dcur_ltr_Kaleen "Kaleen" [NPC_:50111463]

dcur_ltr_gurzul "Shield-Wife Gurzul" [NPC_:50111462]

dcur_ltr_ashaka "Forge-Wife Ashaka" [NPC_:50111461]

dcur_prison_rapistguard_2 "Prison Guard" [NPC_:501030F8]

the classic question is what to do? 

There is dark face mod fixed by some post back. Or you can open CK, load DCL into it, in NPC menu found those NPC and press Ctrl+F4 to generate facegen files. In other menus with NPC Ctrl+F4 don't work. Exit from CK without save DCL.

 

UPD: Прикольный слоган)

 

 

[zarantha]

9 hours ago, zubr4444444 said:

Dark Face Issue Found
    Record:  \ [50] Deviously Cursed Loot.esp \ [19] GRUP Top "NPC_" \ [128] dcur_ltr_janine "Janine" [NPC_:5012929B] - Deviously Cursed Loot.esp
    Resource:    not exists

it's at seven NPC

 

 dcur_twac_emilia "Emilia" [NPC_:501140F7]

 dcur_ltr_sharga "Hearth-Wife Sharga" [NPC_:50111460]

dcur_ltr_Kaleen "Kaleen" [NPC_:50111463]

dcur_ltr_gurzul "Shield-Wife Gurzul" [NPC_:50111462]

dcur_ltr_ashaka "Forge-Wife Ashaka" [NPC_:50111461]

dcur_prison_rapistguard_2 "Prison Guard" [NPC_:501030F8]

the classic question is what to do? 

 

Try face discoloratoin fix, this is the mod that was meant:

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/42441

 

Otherwise, export in the CK like elsidia mentioned

[Elsidia]

Whip and Chain Inn is still forbidden for me. When i now enter in inn it's again not load all devices from NPC. All means all devices, where NPC is locked in. All free devices without NPC is loaded. You need again enable all devices or papyrus log star generate disabled devices errors.

 

At least it's not CTD)

[zarantha]

6 hours ago, Elsidia said:

Whip and Chain Inn is still forbidden for me. When i now enter in inn it's again not load all devices from NPC. All means all devices, where NPC is locked in. All free devices without NPC is loaded. You need again enable all devices or papyrus log star generate disabled devices errors.

 

At least it's not CTD)

 

No idea why they're disabling for you. Everything I've looked at seems to say disabling is done manually.

 

Could it be something off in your ini or game settings for fade?

https://forums.nexusmods.com/index.php?/topic/1227204-npcs-not-loading/

 

Did you clean DCL? I remember I had missing land pieces when I had bad settings in xedit and cleaned the base esps, maybe something similar is happening here?

[Kimy]

On 5/14/2021 at 6:18 PM, aurreth said:

 

I've never been able to find a set of sane settings for DCL.  The defaults end up with you fully bound and then nonstop raped pretty much before you can even open MCM to turn things down, whereas I'm of the opinion that everything should be turned off by default so that you can enable things one at a time and slowly to get it where you want.

 

DCL configuration files are quite easily shareable. Just switch everything off by default and export the settings from the MCM. You can reload them at any time you start a new game and share with other users as long as you're on the same DCL version. The settings are saved to Data/SKSE/Plugins/DCUR/DCURConfig.json

[zarantha]

7 hours ago, Elsidia said:

Whip and Chain Inn is still forbidden for me. When i now enter in inn it's again not load all devices from NPC. All means all devices, where NPC is locked in. All free devices without NPC is loaded. You need again enable all devices or papyrus log star generate disabled devices errors.

 

At least it's not CTD)

 

@Kimy Any ideas on Elsidia's issue? It's not the first time she's had everything disabled in the inn, re-enabling works, but we can't figure out why they are disabled in the first place.

It's happened on new games with a minimal load order as I recall.

 

Elsidia, do you still have a papyrus log where you see everything disabled when you enter the inn? I thought you posted one once before, but I can't find it.

[Elsidia]

18 minutes ago, zarantha said:

Elsidia, do you still have a papyrus log where you see everything disabled when you enter the inn? I thought you posted one once before, but I can't find it.

Today i test for people Cursed Collar quest because i enter in inn to touch a collar. After that there no one device not loaded what is used for NPC decoration. Other all devices is loading. Also last time when i enable all devices it's start to loading but very heavy: you need wait up to 5 minutes while load all devices. It's look that: you enter in inn and see NPC without devices. Later while you wait devices appeared and NPC is locked in. Also i don't manipulate with ini settings i use best presets from bethini mod.

But i later in walkthought when i enter in inn no more devices loaded not matter how you wait. While inn not loaded papyrus log is clear - no one DLC device not spawn errors. As you enter in inn and those devices not loading it's start spread a papyrus log errors. DCL have timed event for those locked NPC's and those NPC's is left without device where are locked in. Papyrus log here (fresh). Generated a few hours ago. Long time ago i test fresh game at early start. Even then, when i enter in inn a few devices from those NPC not loading.

 

Papyrus.1.log

[Elsidia]

@zarantha also this is clear log of my game when and there is line:

 

 

[05/23/2021 - 12:53:10PM] ERROR: Property Reward on script zadcFurnitureScript attached to  (1010E349) cannot be initialized because the value is the incorrect type
[05/23/2021 - 12:53:10PM] ERROR: Element of property Reward on script zadcFurnitureScript attached to  (10114BFA) cannot be bound because  (0C006962) is not the right type
[05/23/2021 - 12:53:10PM] ERROR: Property AppliedSpellEffects on script zadcFurnitureScript attached to  (10114BFA) cannot be initialized because the value is the incorrect type

 

10 is DCL

0C is contraception

 

1010E349 this is from DCL secret safe house depend on xedit and 10114BFA is from  Whip and Chain inn wooden horse.  And this wooden horse is only one in Whip and Chain inn i suspect that this thing in contraception is wrong build. I nowhere see a second wooden horse.

@Kimymaybe this device have some build problems in contraception's mod?

 

 

 

Also i attached full "clear" log before i enter in inn.

 

Also i found that those NPC decorated devices is different type. You can try to help NPC locked into that devices. of course after you help to those NPC, those NPC is locked back into that device. But some of that devices where those NPC is locked in gives a error when you try to help NPC.

See in screenshot left corner message. And no matter if this device is visible or not, the same error appear.

 

UPD: difference between those devices is that some of it not attached script zadcFurnitureScript property ScriptedDevice = true

 

Spoiler

 

Papyrus.0.log

[Elsidia]

In Whip and Chain inn Skyrim SE use 3,5 Gb RAM.

[zarantha]

21 minutes ago, Elsidia said:

Today i test for people Cursed Collar quest because i enter in inn to touch a collar. After that there no one device not loaded what is used for NPC decoration. Other all devices is loading. Also last time when i enable all devices it's start to loading but very heavy: you need wait up to 5 minutes while load all devices. It's look that: you enter in inn and see NPC without devices. Later while you wait devices appeared and NPC is locked in. Also i don't manipulate with ini settings i use best presets from bethini mod.

But i later in walkthought when i enter in inn no more devices loaded not matter how you wait. While inn not loaded papyrus log is clear - no one DLC device not spawn errors. As you ente rin inn and those device snot loading it's start spread a papurys log errors. DCL have timed event for those locked NPC's and those NPC's is left without device where are locked in. Papyrus log here (fresh). Generated a few hours ago. Long time ago i test fresh game at early start. Even then, when i enter in inn a few devices from those NPC not loading.

 

Papyrus.1.log 183.94 kB · 0 downloads

 

Thanks, maybe @Kimy can help here. As best as I can see, the stacks start after it checks for items on the NPCs when it's trying to start the mount animations for some of them. There's a few earlier, maybe one or more of the NPCs were missed. I never counted them in there, so I'm not sure if 15 is right or not. If it's not, then that's were the issue starts.

 

For NPCs, I have these - do you have them, or can try them? Not sure if they really apply here, but it might help if you don't have them.
https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/40261

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/32349

 

This is where I think it starts choking:
 

Spoiler

[05/23/2021 - 11:35:58AM] [DCUR] Scanning for followers
[05/23/2021 - 11:35:58AM] [DCUR] Currently there are 15 bound girls active.
[05/23/2021 - 11:35:59AM] ERROR: Cannot call GetActorBase() on a None object, aborting function call
stack:
    [dcur_clocktick (1004F16F)].dcur_clocktickscript.CheckFollowers() - "dcur_clocktickScript.psc" Line 670
    [dcur_clocktick (1004F16F)].dcur_clocktickscript.clocktickshort() - "dcur_clocktickScript.psc" Line 1423
    [dcur_clocktick (1004F16F)].dcur_clocktickscript.OnUpdate() - "dcur_clocktickScript.psc" Line 1548
[05/23/2021 - 11:35:59AM] ERROR: Cannot call getDistance() on a None object, aborting function call
stack:
    [dcur_clocktick (1004F16F)].dcur_clocktickscript.CheckFollowers() - "dcur_clocktickScript.psc" Line 671
    [dcur_clocktick (1004F16F)].dcur_clocktickscript.clocktickshort() - "dcur_clocktickScript.psc" Line 1423
    [dcur_clocktick (1004F16F)].dcur_clocktickscript.OnUpdate() - "dcur_clocktickScript.psc" Line 1548
[05/23/2021 - 11:35:59AM] WARNING: Assigning None to a non-object variable named "::temp146"
stack:
    [dcur_clocktick (1004F16F)].dcur_clocktickscript.CheckFollowers() - "dcur_clocktickScript.psc" Line 671
    [dcur_clocktick (1004F16F)].dcur_clocktickscript.clocktickshort() - "dcur_clocktickScript.psc" Line 1423
    [dcur_clocktick (1004F16F)].dcur_clocktickscript.OnUpdate() - "dcur_clocktickScript.psc" Line 1548
[05/23/2021 - 11:36:01AM] [DCUR] Sex attacks are out of cooldown. Checking conditions!
[05/23/2021 - 11:36:17AM] [Zad]: RepopulateNpcs()
[05/23/2021 - 11:36:17AM] [Zad]: OnEffectStart(): Bra
[05/23/2021 - 11:36:17AM] [Zad]: OnEffectStart(): Belly
[05/23/2021 - 11:36:18AM] [Zad]: OnEffectStart(): Bra
[05/23/2021 - 11:36:18AM] [Zad]: OnEquipped(Nicole: Prison Shackles)
[05/23/2021 - 11:36:18AM] [Zad]: OnEquipped(Nicole: Prisoner Outfit)
[05/23/2021 - 11:36:18AM] [Zad]: OnEquipped(Nicole: Large Ebonite Ball Gag Harness)
[05/23/2021 - 11:36:18AM] [Zad]: OnEquipped aborted - item is already worn.
[05/23/2021 - 11:36:18AM] [Zad]: OnEquipped aborted - item is already worn.
[05/23/2021 - 11:36:18AM] ERROR: Cannot call IsOnMount() on a None object, aborting function call
stack:
    [zadcQuest (0C0022FD)].zadclibs.isAnimating() - "zadclibs.psc" Line 389
    [ (101182AC)].zadcFurnitureScript.OnUpdate() - "zadcFurnitureScript.psc" Line 787
[05/23/2021 - 11:36:18AM] WARNING: Assigning None to a non-object variable named "::temp105"
stack:
    [zadcQuest (0C0022FD)].zadclibs.isAnimating() - "zadclibs.psc" Line 389
    [ (101182AC)].zadcFurnitureScript.OnUpdate() - "zadcFurnitureScript.psc" Line 787
[05/23/2021 - 11:36:18AM] [Zad]: OnEquipped aborted - item is already worn.
[05/23/2021 - 11:36:18AM] ERROR: Cannot call IsInFaction() on a None object, aborting function call
stack:
    [zadcQuest (0C0022FD)].zadclibs.isAnimating() - "zadclibs.psc" Line 392
    [ (101182AC)].zadcFurnitureScript.OnUpdate() - "zadcFurnitureScript.psc" Line 787
[05/23/2021 - 11:36:18AM] WARNING: Assigning None to a non-object variable named "::temp105"
stack:
    [zadcQuest (0C0022FD)].zadclibs.isAnimating() - "zadclibs.psc" Line 392
    [ (101182AC)].zadcFurnitureScript.OnUpdate() - "zadcFurnitureScript.psc" Line 787
[05/23/2021 - 11:36:18AM] ERROR: Cannot call IsInFaction() on a None object, aborting function call
stack:
    [zadcQuest (0C0022FD)].zadclibs.isAnimating() - "zadclibs.psc" Line 392
    [ (101182AC)].zadcFurnitureScript.OnUpdate() - "zadcFurnitureScript.psc" Line 787
[05/23/2021 - 11:36:18AM] WARNING: Assigning None to a non-object variable named "::temp108"
stack:
    [zadcQuest (0C0022FD)].zadclibs.isAnimating() - "zadclibs.psc" Line 392
    [ (101182AC)].zadcFurnitureScript.OnUpdate() - "zadcFurnitureScript.psc" Line 787