Be nice to have an option for player to be placed in a difficult to escape option as well, since allows real life players to be creative in finding a way to escape .. even if you've not coded it yourself .. and rely on the mechanics of skyrim itself. Even being captured by slavers and being placed in a neverending scenario is a good playthrough IMO. 

I really hope you succeed in this in this project. It's sounds a gigantic task, 

look forward to watching this one

2 hours ago, jc321 said:

Be nice to have an option for player to be placed in a difficult to escape option as well, since allows real life players to be creative in finding a way to escape .. even if you've not coded it yourself .. and rely on the mechanics of skyrim itself. Even being captured by slavers and being placed in a neverending scenario is a good playthrough IMO. 

 

I really hope you succeed in this in this project. It's sounds a gigantic task, 

 

look forward to watching this one

@Nonseen

Just a few thoughts

Sending the player to SS++ after a slaver event doesn't really do anything innovative.  Loads of mods can do that for us.  So while you have a lot of good ideas, if that's the only player outcome, it would be a bit of a pity

However, taking up @jc321 's idea of 'borrowing' code, the best implementation of  player captivity and escape that I have ever played here, somewhat similar in style to what @jc321 was describing, was found in @Code Serpent 's mod 'Dragonborn in Distress' - linked to below

It was for LE but if you could get perms from @Code Serpent to look at and use the code for the escape part - you don't need 'player defeat', which is very well handled by @Bane Master 's Defeat 5.3.6 - and update his code to SSE, and then creaste that as a standalone component/mod that your own mod, and also OTHER mods could then plug into (there is a crying need for that sort of plugin), you could possibly save yourself a fair bit of time and angst!

(there is something like that supposed to be coming on this as part of the NG developments, but I'm steering clear of those as they are incomplete as yet, and general compatibility is yet to be proved - SLA NG just plain broke some other mods I use, as despite what it says, it does not seem to be a 'straight replacement' and I lost probably 50+ hours of gameplay and a lot of time trying to work out what was wrong)

And you could also plug into @Bane Master 's mod .....

 ... which really handles Followers Slavery well, can be plugged into easily, and would handle 'Follower Enslavement/Slavery' for you as one complete package, rather than your having to reinvent that wheel

Hope this is useful. 

DQW

On 8/19/2024 at 1:59 PM, jc321 said:

Be nice to have an option for player to be placed in a difficult to escape option as well, since allows real life players to be creative in finding a way to escape .. even if you've not coded it yourself .. and rely on the mechanics of skyrim itself. Even being captured by slavers and being placed in a neverending scenario is a good playthrough IMO. 

 

I really hope you succeed in this in this project. It's sounds a gigantic task, 

 

look forward to watching this one

it is gigantic.

this is my 3th try on it. Based on how  fast advanced so far....  i estimate minimum 4 month from now to finish it maybe lot more.

This part is the hardest probably i doing: building fundations.  i disign everithing a way that easy to scale up. i mena adding new slave camps or traders easy. Only the quest line extension going to be problematic.

On 8/19/2024 at 4:39 PM, DonQuiWho said:

Sending the player to SS++ after a slaver event doesn't really do anything innovative. 

the early iterion sent player to SS++. curent plan is send player to specialy made slave camp. or mine to work...

this part not clear the moment. Just laying down the fundation to be possible to send player this journey.

On 8/19/2024 at 4:39 PM, DonQuiWho said:

 ... which really handles Followers Slavery well, can be plugged into easily, and would handle 'Follower Enslavement/Slavery' for you as one complete package, rather than your having to reinvent that wheel

 

Hope this is useful. 

yes its seams useful. i going to look arund.

never heard follower slavery mod before

1 hour ago, Nonseen said:

never heard follower slavery mod before

Glad to help

Maybe a good idea to have a look at Dragonborn in Distress too, as it has a simple, fun. escape challenge that might be easy to implement as a first start point. 

Presently, you run the risk of being like some other mod(der)s, having great ideas that are trying to do too much, and getting nothing useful out for your users, and eventually it all just becomes too late

Hope that helps

DQW 

17 hours ago, DonQuiWho said:

Presently, you run the risk of being like some other mod(der)s, having great ideas that are trying to do too much, and getting nothing useful out for your users, and eventually it all just becomes too late

Yes i see that. For this reason i plan do it step by step. Section by section.

My primary goal right now build up something that in it self useful working.

After this made expand on it.

For this reason right now i not plan add any complicated player escape from capture quest. only a place holder.

Same for the follower capture quest.

i consider core functionality the fallowings that i plan make to full and fully functional:

-Slave oweners move slaves beathwen locations ( if skyrim engine supports it in large scale )

-Slaver guild members capture "victim" designated npcs, then this victims moved to slave oweners to work... ower time they got removed from slavery and respawn so can be captured agin.

-add tons of "victim" npc to the game so things to capture

-ability player to free, capture slaves

-slaver guild members remain chalanging opponent due their specialized equipment, poitions and scrols. all their base stat same as bandits in the vanilla game

-add salve markets where can be visited by player, here player can buy/sell items

the list above is what i consider bare minimum. soon as all above complited with 1 set of slaver bases all type i realise the that version and based on player feed back i hunt down bugs and iterate.

i have lots of plan for future versions. this moment i plan extend player - slaver guild interactions after the next realise. i have lot of ideas, on papaer many seams good. But i need check this ideas its fitting or not to the game play.

18 hours ago, DonQuiWho said:

Maybe a good idea to have a look at Dragonborn in Distress too, as it has a simple, fun. escape challenge that might be easy to implement as a first start point. 

i think i tryed out that mod. To be onest not my teast of tea.

For study and improve my scripting abilitys i might visit.

My SLOS devlopment effort esitamted 70% spent on finding out what i can do and how. i writing a blog post here about this topick.

2 hours ago, Nonseen said:

Yes i see that. For this reason i plan do it step by step. Section by section.

 

My primary goal right now build up something that in it self useful working.

After this made expand on it.

 

For this reason right now i not plan add any complicated player escape from capture quest. only a place holder.

Same for the follower capture quest.

 

i consider core functionality the fallowings that i plan make to full and fully functional:

-Slave oweners move slaves beathwen locations ( if skyrim engine supports it in large scale )

-Slaver guild members capture "victim" designated npcs, then this victims moved to slave oweners to work... ower time they got removed from slavery and respawn so can be captured agin.

-add tons of "victim" npc to the game so things to capture

-ability player to free, capture slaves

-slaver guild members remain chalanging opponent due their specialized equipment, poitions and scrols. all their base stat same as bandits in the vanilla game

-add salve markets where can be visited by player, here player can buy/sell items

 

the list above is what i consider bare minimum. soon as all above complited with 1 set of slaver bases all type i realise the that version and based on player feed back i hunt down bugs and iterate.

 

i have lots of plan for future versions. this moment i plan extend player - slaver guild interactions after the next realise. i have lot of ideas, on papaer many seams good. But i need check this ideas its fitting or not to the game play.

 

i think i tryed out that mod. To be onest not my teast of tea.

For study and improve my scripting abilitys i might visit.

 

My SLOS devlopment effort esitamted 70% spent on finding out what i can do and how. i writing a blog post here about this topick.

 Thanks for the reply

But isn't a lot of what you describe already out there in PAHE, HSH, AYGAS and DOM.  The Slave Markets might make for a novel addition though.  As long as the inhabitants aren't all bald!

Anyway, wish you well with your work

DQW

On 8/21/2024 at 8:27 PM, DonQuiWho said:

But isn't a lot of what you describe already out there in PAHE, HSH, AYGAS and DOM. 

True.

But not forget this mode focuses on player capture npcs and do things with it.

SLOS original focus is give everiment that make more easy Defeat like mods and player slavery to activate. Plus give more targets for PAHE users to capture.

With scripted version i add few new goals:

-Working Slaver Guild that player can join, or fight aginst it.
-NPC capture other npcs witout player involvemnt and use them as own slaves, trade them. Most i know of exist player follower get captured by npcs.
One of my goal the slavers focus hunting down avarage npcs, capturing followers or player is optional side thing mostly.

-player might allowed to capture salves using my mod, i thinking out sorce this function to existing mods.   why remake that already exist?

55 minutes ago, Nonseen said:

True.

But not forget this mode focuses on player capture npcs and do things with it.

 

SLOS original focus is give everiment that make more easy Defeat like mods and player slavery to activate. Plus give more targets for PAHE users to capture.

 

With scripted version i add few new goals:

-Working Slaver Guild that player can join, or fight aginst it.
-NPC capture other npcs witout player involvemnt and use them as own slaves, trade them. Most i know of exist player follower get captured by npcs.
One of my goal the slavers focus hunting down avarage npcs, capturing followers or player is optional side thing mostly.

 

-player might allowed to capture salves using my mod, i thinking out sorce this function to existing mods.   why remake that already exist?

 

You already can do most of the basics of  'Player Slaver' and 'Follower Slave' stuff with various combinations of Defeat, PAHE, DOM and FSM - even using all of them at once!

What nobody has really done well is 'Enforced Player Slave', which is what I, given your proposed mod title, maybe mistakenly thought you were hoping to achieve.  The only mods that get even remotely close to that concept are ,,,,

DeepBlueFrog's Sanguine's Debauchery ie SD+

and

Captured Dreams

... both of which are absolutely fine for subservient milksops - each to their own 😉 - who want to prance around cleaning floors or licking feet, but not as any challenge to a Dragonborn, trying to escape from enforced captivity.

(there is Deviously Enslaved (aka DEC) which does have enforced captures, but it is a bit limited, and also so old and flaky as to be something that's not really practicably useable)

Still, I wish you well with whatever you do.  Just make it simple enough at the start to get something out to the users, or you may miss the boat completely

👍

DQW