Affordable Computer Upgrades for Windows 10 Intel i3 4100?

[Guest]

4 hours ago, tookachinchilla said:

But even a GT 1030 would be a huge improvement

The GT 1030 is about as good as a 550Ti in the grand scheme of things, but for nVidia optimized titles it's more like a 750Ti.

 

The GTX 560Ti is on Amazon for $60 right now; that's a pretty fair deal.

[Fifoo]

18 hours ago, RussianPrince said:

That's wrong. By adding the proper CPU microcodes to the BIOS you can get your CPU to work.

 

i7 7700K on Z370:

https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/kabylake-and-skylake-runing-on-z370-mobo.239325/

 

i3 8350K on Z170:

https://wccftech.com/intel-coffee-lake-100-series-motherboard-support/

Thank you for bringing these few clarifications but, without wanting to offend you, by your quote you seem to make an exception become general. If you do not mind, I would like to speak more clearly about my position on this topic.

 

This remains at the level of experimentations and the "tech" experts who have achieved this feat are far from the capabilities of "lambda" users. And besides, these results would not be without problems in terms of may be stability and/or errors: "Making it work and making it work reliably and safely are two different things ..."  for the first, and: "Of course, there were some slight issues ..."  for the second. They do not even explain the issues they have encountered.

 

I quoted AnandTech in my previous comments, only for the sake of not putting the average user in front of a combination of materials that would be hazardous, and therefore, simply by caution. But it is true that all these experiments do not lack interests on the technical level.

 

Another interesting thread about the question why the new CPUs are not backwards-compatible with Z270 motherboards: Asus Interview: Andrew Wu (ROG Motherboard PM)

 

Will we end up hating the way Intel embarks us in its production policy?

[Guest]

10 hours ago, Fifoo said:

Thank you for bringing these few clarifications but, without wanting to offend you, by your quote you seem to make an exception become general. If you do not mind, I would like to speak more clearly about my position on this topic.

 

This remains at the level of experimentations and the "tech" experts who have achieved this feat are far from the capabilities of "lambda" users. And besides, these results would not be without problems in terms of may be stability and/or errors: "Making it work and making it work reliably and safely are two different things ..."  for the first, and: "Of course, there were some slight issues ..."  for the second. They do not even explain the issues they have encountered.

 

I quoted AnandTech in my previous comments, only for the sake of not putting the average user in front of a combination of materials that would be hazardous, and therefore, simply by caution. But it is true that all these experiments do not lack interests on the technical level.

 

Another interesting thread about the question why the new CPUs are not backwards-compatible with Z270 motherboards: Asus Interview: Andrew Wu (ROG Motherboard PM)

 

Will we end up hating the way Intel embarks us in its production policy?

Amen, preach on.

Intel always changes cpu-slots on a whim, it's what they do, and why they're rich.

"Use this" (v1 v1.0a v1.1 v2 v2.5)

back when microsoft released micro-updates to os's that you could only get paying cash and buying some hardware.

(I think apple deserves a rant or two but I never eat apples. Well maybe one, a floppy-drive cable for an apple costed 20.00, and one for PC cost 5)

Then you got yer enthusiasts saying this-or-that particular game runs faster, as shown by some shill, on blue-moon Tuesdays if you overclock and get the special patch.

True fans who worship and drool over every article (and can really max out credit cards) won't hear of it, it IS faster (but for what, and why?)

 

 

 

[Guest]

I see a lot of people here who knows their stuff so I might as well go ahead and ask this here. I have an AMD 8350 8-core and a Gefore 750 ti 2GB GPU. Of course this isn't optimal for Skyrim, so I was thinking about upgrading my GPU since it's the bottleneck of my system, at least in newer games. If I get a GTX 1060, will my processor bottleneck the system so much that it's not worth it, or can I count on a few more fps? I'm asking only for Skyrim now. In my heavily modded game with extra textures I have between 25-30 fps right now, and it's barely playable.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, nightwolf said:

I see a lot of people here who knows their stuff so I might as well go ahead and ask this here. I have an AMD 8350 8-core and a Gefore 750 ti 2GB GPU. Of course this isn't optimal for Skyrim, so I was thinking about upgrading my GPU since it's the bottleneck of my system, at least in newer games. If I get a GTX 1060, will my processor bottleneck the system so much that it's not worth it, or can I count on a few more fps? I'm asking only for Skyrim now. In my heavily modded game with extra textures I have between 25-30 fps right now, and it's barely playable.

Probably not, the 1060 6GB is good for top-end systems from a couple years ago, people running the i7 2700K still pair it with GTX 1080s. The 8350 is still a top-performing CPU as long as you can cool it well.

 

It's technically not 8 cores but 4 with SMT (simultaneous multi-threading). AMD has a habit of mis-marketing their products, for example the FX-6300 Sixcore is just a triple core CPU with SMT.

[27X]

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 use 2133MHz CL9 DDR3 and it destroys DDR4 CL11 3000+.

 

Factually false, ranks up there with your statements on ENB.

 

Bandwidth determines overall throughput and frequency speed parity at 1:1, and this is more apparent in Bethbryo titles than almost any other used engine, and those are facts based on physical architecture and the laws of physics, not opinion.

 

If sustaining 60fps is proving challenging, we have some advice for you: consider faster RAM. We ran through a series of traversal sequences using a Core i5 4690K paired with a Titan X running at 1080p - in short, a scenario designed to remove the GPU as a bottleneck and stress the CPU. We then re-ran the test with faster memory. Below you'll find our lowest and average frame-rate results from three different configurations:

• 1600MHz: 36.0/54.6
• 2133MHz: 39.0/61.0
• 2400MHz: 44.0/66.9

That's a 22 per cent increase in performance with faster RAM comparing the slowest to the fastest. Now, this scenario is an exaggeration as the GPU is a major limiting factor in performance and by using a Titan X at a low resolution, we have removed that bottleneck. So are there any real-life applications?

Well, click on the shot above to see that - yes - faster RAM can make a difference in general gameplay, even with Fallout 4's v-sync cap, and without an outlandish lack of balance in system components. Essentially, when the CPU is the bottleneck, faster RAM can provide an often dramatic increase in performance. However, before considering an upgrade, make sure your motherboard is compatible with faster memory. Usually this functionality is reserved for the top-end chipsets.

[Guest]

5 hours ago, 27X said:

Factually false, ranks up there with your statements on ENB.

You clearly have no idea how memory latency works. CL9 2133 will be LEAGUES faster than CL11 2400.

 

Give me 10 minutes and I'll post some synthetic benchmark results.

[Guest]

Here's the benchmarks, in order: 1600MHz CL9, 2133MHz CL9, 2400MHz CL9, 2666MHz CL9.

 

You can see as I reach 2400MHz the performance increases, but the higher my memory clocks after that the less performance I get. I ran the test 5 more times on 2666MHz CL9, score stayed the same. That's the problem with 2800+Mhz RAM - you need to raise the clock cycle latency to see any benefit. 2400MHz is the real limit for CL9's effectiveness - 400MHz DDR has a CAS latency of about 3.

[peculiaris]

get a second hand i5 4460 and a  gtx 1050 then later upgrade your GPU, Thats the best way to go.

 

 

Something like this:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-Core-i5-4460-3-2GHz-Quad-Core-BX80646I54460-Processor/332581263355?epid=222812228&hash=item4d6f6357fb:g:AxIAAOSw8LBaoxzZ#rwid

 

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814137057&cm_re=gtx_1050-_-14-137-057-_-Product

 

 

P.S. Don't mind most of the post in this thread, You shouldn't be worried about memory latency at this point, And going with an Xeon might be a bit above your skill level.