Myst42 Posted October 10, 2017 Posted October 10, 2017 Sometimes I get this warning on my M.O. It has issues with: -When Vampires Attack -Amazing Follower Tweaks -Paarthumax Dilemma -Thieves Guild for Good Guys -Dark Brotherhood for Good Guys -USLEEP -Undeath -Master of Disguise -Dawnguard As far as I know, most of these things do not even relate, but it keeps telling me it wants to change it every now and then and it's becoming annoying I could just ignore it as suggested, but that red warning sign really is really fucking with my nerves. my eye is literally twitching here It's not a load order problem, it's a mod INSTALL order warning. LOOT is working fine and I trust LOOT for load order, this thing, I dont trust. I've seen it fuck up badly. I'm used to knowing what I install and almost arranging LO myself, so I try to know my crap, but this thing is telling me it doesnt like it, and I want to tell it to fuck off Is there a way to disable this feature?
LazyBoot Posted October 10, 2017 Posted October 10, 2017 Have you tried sorting your left list (install order) to match the right one (load order as sorted by loot)
Myst42 Posted October 10, 2017 Author Posted October 10, 2017 Have you tried sorting your left list (install order) to match the right one (load order as sorted by loot) Oh god, the tedium... Is there even a chance for this to work, or have any sort of coherence, considering some mods add multiple esp files? *sigh* Fuck... alright, I'll give it a shot. I'm guessing I'm gonna find horrible abominations regarding how files are overwitten and I'm gonna have to fix the fix.
Uncle64 Posted October 10, 2017 Posted October 10, 2017 Yea and you should do it manually, dont let MO autosort your left side. It will do wrong. Make sure that your left side is close to your right side. Always ignore MO if it tells you to move Dawnguard or Usleep longer down on the left side. You can turn that feature off if you like.
Myst42 Posted October 10, 2017 Author Posted October 10, 2017 You can turn that feature off if you like. How?? Where?? Maybe I'm growing blind, but I lokked everywhere for a config or something to turn it off and I can't find it
LazyBoot Posted October 10, 2017 Posted October 10, 2017 Have you tried sorting your left list (install order) to match the right one (load order as sorted by loot) Oh god, the tedium... Is there even a chance for this to work, or have any sort of coherence, considering some mods add multiple esp files? *sigh* Fuck... alright, I'll give it a shot. I'm guessing I'm gonna find horrible abominations regarding how files are overwitten and I'm gonna have to fix the fix. The main thing is to make sure the mods with conflicts are in the right order. You can easily spot those by looking for the lightning-bolt icons, and if you click on a mod with conflicts it will highlight the mods that overwrite the same files. So at least for a start, I would look at the mods it's complaining about and see if some needs to be moved. If the install order is having things conflict in the wrong order you do risk some weirdness in terms of scripts etc.
Uncle64 Posted October 10, 2017 Posted October 10, 2017 You can turn that feature off if you like. How?? Where?? Maybe I'm growing blind, but I lokked everywhere for a config or something to turn it off and I can't find it In MO. Click on the button whit TOOLS on it. Click the tab Plugins. Mark the plugin Basic Diagnosing plugin. It should pop up more information on the right side. There you find. Check_Modorder. And disable that one. https://gyazo.com/99dd4908fc41d795c92524351fad3436
Kuroyami Posted October 10, 2017 Posted October 10, 2017 DLCs and such usually never need to move. So long as they are sorted the same way as the plugins, MO should never suggest you move them - other than maybe suggesting you move something below it, even if it already is - mostly this can be ignored, as it is likely just a just-in-case mention, and it is something else on the mod list you have to move. USLEEP should always been right after the DLCs, and then of course any other mods. From there you can just follow what MO says, as it is trying to make sure that a mod's scripts load in the same order as the plugins they are associated with - this should be what MO mentions in the bottom box, when selecting the "Potential Mod Order Problem"(on the line itself, not the "Fix" option).
Myst42 Posted October 10, 2017 Author Posted October 10, 2017 In MO. Click on the button whit TOOLS on it. Click the tab Plugins. Mark the plugin Basic Diagnosing plugin. It should pop up more information on the right side. There you find. Check_Modorder. And disable that one. https://gyazo.com/99dd4908fc41d795c92524351fad3436 YES! THATS IT Thank you. Problem is no more. You're a lifesaver man. A thousand likes to you. The main thing is to make sure the mods with conflicts are in the right order. You can easily spot those by looking for the lightning-bolt icons, and if you click on a mod with conflicts it will highlight the mods that overwrite the same files. So at least for a start, I would look at the mods it's complaining about and see if some needs to be moved. If the install order is having things conflict in the wrong order you do risk some weirdness in terms of scripts etc. Problem is there are no real conflicts between the mods it doesnt like. Nothing is overwritten, ther is no lightning bolt sign between them and the conlfict list is empty This was not an install order issue. It wanted to move Dawnguard after Better Vampires or something as unholy as that Why the hell would it want to do that? But thank you too anyway for replying. I did the rearranging thing still
Nazzzgul666 Posted October 11, 2017 Posted October 11, 2017 Have you tried sorting your left list (install order) to match the right one (load order as sorted by loot) Oh god, the tedium... Is there even a chance for this to work, or have any sort of coherence, considering some mods add multiple esp files? *sigh* Fuck... alright, I'll give it a shot. I'm guessing I'm gonna find horrible abominations regarding how files are overwitten and I'm gonna have to fix the fix. While you're right that the order MO wants is quite messy, often it complains about mods that don't overwrite each other. I don't know why it sees a conflict there, but keeping a similar order for both sides is a good advice in general and if MO complains i always try to do that. Manually, though. Never had problems with that.
Myst42 Posted October 11, 2017 Author Posted October 11, 2017 While you're right that the order MO wants is quite messy, often it complains about mods that don't overwrite each other. I don't know why it sees a conflict there, but keeping a similar order for both sides is a good advice in general and if MO complains i always try to do that. Manually, though. Never had problems with that. For the record, I DO try to keep a similar order. I'm an Oblivion modder ffs. Keeping good load order in Oblivion is A LOT more challenging than in Skyrim, and I have a freaking masters degree on it. Back then, you can't rely on MO and LOOT, sometimes not even BOSS. No... I do that thing manually. And it works. Skyrim is a lot easier because mostly I've found you can have many different mods and they are not as invasive as they used to be regarding scripts and stuff. So yes, I try similar mod/plugin orders too. I was installing things by groups, like basic utilities at the top (lower LO), then some character making material like RM and some hairs, bodies etc... then outfit and gear mods, after that some more complex things that really affected gameplay like quests, immersion mods, weather and ligting stuff, and finally the things that could potentially mess with previous mods and needed to overwite them, like that modern brawl patch, ordinator perk mod, XPMSE skeleton because a lot of mods like to mess with skeletons that mod needs to be on top of them all... and a dual weapon mod because it's a companion to that one and the patch works similar to a bashed patch it seems. I Installed them in that order and LOOT agreed for the most, save some changes here and there... so yeah, it was similar.
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