I NEED this :P

[Guest ThatOne]

Just thought I'd drop my two cents. Oh, and wall of text warning for those of you who care:

 

Firstly, I don't know what the outfits look like, and frankly I don't care. I only know what was posted here - there is a modder who retextured some outfits and put them up for currency on a site, without any concrete proof he has the original author's permission to do so, nor any other agreement that would make such a sale legitimate. When he heard someone wanted it for free, he took it off the network.

 

Also, as posted on the first page, the modder refuses to give the password of the archive, even if you downloaded it from the link.

 

If any of that is false, then please just ignore the rest of this post. This is not a flaming post, and I will be happy to admit I am wrong if that is the case. This is based only on what I know, which is posted above.

 

Now, before I get into the legal part of it, I want to ask how does it help him - even in the slightest - that others, from countries which he might never visit, and who he will never meet in his life, will have a virtual outfit or not.

 

Next, I want to ask how does it help him - in any way whatsoever - to take the files down; if they stay up, and someone here downloads them and shares them, then at least he BOUGHT it. He'll have more of a profit if he just keeps it up there.

 

And I would like to move on to the question: when in history didn't people want free stuff? It can be as little as a loaf of bread for the poor or as big as a new house for those a bit better off financially, but the concept remains the same:

People. Want. Free. Stuff.

Getting angry and throwing a fit because someone posted a forum thread about it is just childish.

 

Not only that, but also the fact that someone out there wants it enough to post a thread about it just means that he did a good job. He should be proud, not angry, even if he decides to take the files down.

 

And, to finish this post, I'd like to take a look at the legal part: one is NOT allowed to use other's works, even if he edited them himself, in any way or form without express permission from the original author for *COMMERCIAL* purposes. That also includes virtual currency.

 

If he did that, then he is nothing more than a thief. A skilled thief, perhaps, but a thief nonetheless and his share should be with all the others - getting hit on the head with a heavy BANHAMMER.

 

A community cannot afford to tolerate any thief that throws a good outfit. Why? Because pretty soon all the legal\sharing part in readmes would be naught but ash. Is that the kind of internet you want? I know I certainly don't want to know anything I work on is just going to be stolen, modified slightly and published under another author's name OR to fill his virtual pockets.

 

If I were to steal another modder's works, let's say the so-very-famous "Ravenous Elegance" by Sinblood, and retexture it and sell it without his permission to do so - will that be alright? Hell, no!!!!

 

As for showing respect: perhaps for his skill, but certainly not for his methods (not giving the password? please).

 

Oh, and one very last thing: by necroing this thread and giving these reasons you reduce the chances anyone here will ever consider purchasing his outfits and NOT sharing them. If you wouldn't have necro'd it, chances are he would have put the outfits back up in a while after he cooled down.

I doubt it will happen now.

 

Of course, time will only tell what will happen - what might have been is something none of us will ever know.

 

-ThatOne

[legit1337]

If someone manages to get their hands on the .rar/.zip I can try my hand at cracking the password.

[Leo77]

Sorry to necro an old thread' date=' but, I think it may be important to let everyone here know, the mod maker has a DIRECT link to THIS topic, and has (with good reason) gotten mad and taken his mod completely off the site. so even those with the gold cannot legitimatly get it. Please, beggers, dont mess it up for everyone else by urging the community to help "steal" from a site that has just barely begun to accept english speaking people. Show some respect, even if it was just edited, its still a lot of outfits and a lot of work.

[/quote']

 

I'm getting really sick of people lately. I wouldn't call anyone around here a "begger" and surely not in context with this topic.

People on that forum are acting like big asses and there's no justification for that i can see. Not only have they full acces to our (western) modding sites and mods, no, they even "sell" them on their forum although they didnt even move a finger for the creation of that mod. And these people want from every single one of us who could like their mods their "fee".

 

To sum it up, we give them for free anything they want, but when we want something then we must pay. And when we're dumb enough, we can even pay them for our own stuff.

 

In RL, i call these people bastards, assholes and i truly resent this sort of people.

[leddis3]

Sorry to necro an old thread' date=' but, I think it may be important to let everyone here know, the mod maker has a DIRECT link to THIS topic, and has (with good reason) gotten mad and taken his mod completely off the site. so even those with the gold cannot legitimatly get it. Please, beggers, dont mess it up for everyone else by urging the community to help "steal" from a site that has just barely begun to accept english speaking people. Show some respect, even if it was just edited, its still a lot of outfits and a lot of work.

[/quote']

 

How about no. And how about you stop pandering to snivelling little internet dictators.

Regardless of talent, if he's going to throw tantrums he can go straight to hell along with all the other two-bit idiots who think they have the right to treat players like garbage over mods for a game they do not own (and technically all mods remain the property of Bethesda Softworks).

 

We have plenty of talented modders who give out their work in good faith for the enjoyment of all. Quite frankly we don't need toads like this, their attitude is disgusting.

 

Edit: By the way.. I don't think there was ever a link to his work in this topic, just people asking about it.

Is this person seriously throwing a wobbler over people SHOWING INTEREST? Primadonna much? Screw him and the horse he rode in on!

Sorry but attitudes like this make me furious.

[Sizustar]

I hope this modder doesn't ruin or skew all of your opinion on Asian(Japanese, Chinese, Taiwanese, HK, etc) modders.

His attitude and action are a minority, some modder don't release their work, because they are not happy with it currently, and beleive they can make it better, and will usually release a "beta" when they see a demand for it, but after completing it, will always share it on Shy, Mediafire or Tesnexus.

[demongoat]

Sorry to necro an old thread' date=' but, I think it may be important to let everyone here know, the mod maker has a DIRECT link to THIS topic, and has (with good reason) gotten mad and taken his mod completely off the site. so even those with the gold cannot legitimatly get it. Please, beggers, dont mess it up for everyone else by urging the community to help "steal" from a site that has just barely begun to accept english speaking people. Show some respect, even if it was just edited, its still a lot of outfits and a lot of work.

[/quote']

bullshit!

that moron is nothing but a sniveling child throwing a tantrum because he isn't getting enough gushing praise from all sides so he takes his ball and goes home.

oh by the way fuck you, from the so called "beggars" for finding the idea of pricing something that is just a mass of recolored outfits and items at absurd levels for no other reason than the idiot thinks his items are awesome when they are just ripoffs of others work.

 

the only one stealing is the guy posting shit he didn't make for stupid amounts of fake money.

pardon me if i don't respect cry babies who can't take criticism of stupid and greedy actions.

the fact that the dick doesn't include the password makes it even more insulting, 1000gold isn't enough? no now we also need him to grant us the password for his archive too? he can go fuck himself.

 

 

[demongoat]

I hope this modder doesn't ruin or skew all of your opinion on Asian(Japanese' date=' Chinese, Taiwanese, HK, etc) modders.

His attitude and action are a minority, some modder don't release their work, because they are not happy with it currently, and beleive they can make it better, and will usually release a "beta" when they see a demand for it, but after completing it, will always share it on Shy, Mediafire or Tesnexus.

[/quote']

 

nah, i take the actions of people on a case by case basis, though i think any site that can lock a user out like that isn't that great of a site IMO.

it isn't like moders with the same attitude don't exist in the west

of course there aren't a lot of sites in the west that could give people the stranglehold they have on some eastern sites.

i suppose you could do the same thing with other types of bbs software, never seen it though.

 

[Jerbsinator]

Ya I don't know what the point would be of making a nice mod only to show pics of it and gloat. Isn't the point of modding to share it with others? It's like art, you don't paint just so you can hide it in your room to look at. You share it with the world. It's no fun making something great and hiding it away for yourself.

 

Sure some people might try or even succeed at stealing it but most of the time modders seems to respect each other and usually ask for permission to use stuff. People that don't will get whats coming to them eventually.

[leddis3]

To me this isn't about modders of any nationality, it's about moderteam and while not everybody at moderteam may be a jerk, the fact remains they encourage this kind of self-entitled nonsense.

The whole idea of theme park money for mods is ridiculous to begin with, then we have people like this charging absurd amounts of it.

 

And you know, I personally don't care about editing other people's work. Yes, permission should be asked ideally but if you add your own unique spin to it that's nice too.

The problem is with this person not only taking edits, but charging for them then having the audacity to throw tantrums and claim "mine mine mine!".

As others have said, the people who take mods from people who freely distribute them, edit them then charge fake money for them are nothing but thieves and lowlifes.

[saddad]

Sorry to necro an old thread' date=' but, I think it may be important to let everyone here know, the mod maker has a DIRECT link to THIS topic, and has (with good reason) gotten mad and taken his mod completely off the site. so even those with the gold cannot legitimatly get it. Please, beggers, dont mess it up for everyone else by urging the community to help "steal" from a site that has just barely begun to accept english speaking people. Show some respect, even if it was just edited, its still a lot of outfits and a lot of work.

[/quote']

 

I'm getting really sick of people lately. I wouldn't call anyone around here a "begger" and surely not in context with this topic.

People on that forum are acting like big asses and there's no justification for that i can see. Not only have they full acces to our (western) modding sites and mods, no, they even "sell" them on their forum although they didnt even move a finger for the creation of that mod. And these people want from every single one of us who could like their mods their "fee".

 

Firstly, there are two "big asses" modders you probably know active here (Mktsang and WolfZQ) both are on moderteam as well, they released thier work here for free, while they either don't release the mods on chinese sites (mktsang's case) or strictly ask for a donation to access the mod (wolfzq's case).

 

rockmars, the modder in this case released his mod on tesnexus http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=37167

guess what? he asked for 20 gold and a certain privilage to download on moderteam.

 

Secondly, the use of virtual currency is a common practice on chinese discussion boards, which is intended to encourge posting and getting online (both will give you the currency).

 

In this "context", 1000 gold is probably aimed to tease some people use other people's work(redistribute and reupload without permission) to get them some real life money, (Yangyang's case, as I discussed in another post), and as he said in the original post, these mods are for internal distribution, usually the mod authors and moderators on that forum (who can afford it anyway).

 

 

 

To sum it up, we give them for free anything they want, but when we want something then we must pay. And when we're dumb enough, we can even pay them for our own stuff.

 

In RL, i call these people bastards, assholes and i truly resent this sort of people.

 

Who are "we", and who are you? a mod author?

 

In RL, what should I call you?

 

TO xy123, would you dare to post the same content on the original post? Your behaviour is coward and dirty. And you'd better not to say you are chinese, that's actually a shame on me.

[Sizustar]

I think we've gotten rather off topic, and everyone has their own opinion on what is the "correct" attitude for sharing mods.

 

And no one is correct.

As the origional mod is no longer available, Any more discussion on who is more "right" will just cause bad feeling among everyone, and we should just drop this topic or a mod can lock it.

[Leo77]

 

Sorry to necro an old thread' date=' but, I think it may be important to let everyone here know, the mod maker has a DIRECT link to THIS topic, and has (with good reason) gotten mad and taken his mod completely off the site. so even those with the gold cannot legitimatly get it. Please, beggers, dont mess it up for everyone else by urging the community to help "steal" from a site that has just barely begun to accept english speaking people. Show some respect, even if it was just edited, its still a lot of outfits and a lot of work.

[/quote']

 

I'm getting really sick of people lately. I wouldn't call anyone around here a "begger" and surely not in context with this topic.

People on that forum are acting like big asses and there's no justification for that i can see. Not only have they full acces to our (western) modding sites and mods, no, they even "sell" them on their forum although they didnt even move a finger for the creation of that mod. And these people want from every single one of us who could like their mods their "fee".

 

 

Firstly, there are two "big asses" modders you probably know active here (Mktsang and WolfZQ) both are on moderteam as well, they released thier work here for free, while they either don't release the mods on chinese sites (mktsang's case) or strictly ask for a donation to access the mod (wolfzq's case).

 

rockmars, the modder in this case released his mod on tesnexus http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=37167

guess what? he asked for 20 gold and a certain privilage to download on moderteam.

 

I'm not talking about everyone there you know :/

 

Secondly, the use of virtual currency is a common practice on chinese discussion boards, which is intended to encourge posting and getting online (both will give you the currency).

 

In this "context", 1000 gold is probably aimed to tease some people use other people's work(redistribute and reupload without permission) to get them some real life money, (Yangyang's case, as I discussed in another post), and as he said in the original post, these mods are for internal distribution, usually the mod authors and moderators on that forum (who can afford it anyway).

 

I don't understand you.

 

 

To sum it up, we give them for free anything they want, but when we want something then we must pay. And when we're dumb enough, we can even pay them for our own stuff.

 

In RL, i call these people bastards, assholes and i truly resent this sort of people.

 

 

Who are "we",

 

People who are interested in Oblivion mods

 

and who are you? a mod author?

 

Same question to you

 

In RL, what should I call you?

 

I guess Leo is alright.

 

 

TO xy123, would you dare to post the same content on the original post? Your behaviour is coward and dirty. And you'd better not to say you are chinese, that's actually a shame on me.

 

 

If you really think that i'm talking about everyone on that forum or even about every single chinese then i'm sorry that you misunderstood my post. And with the swear words, again, i'm not talking about a group of people, i'm talking about people who act like asses.

[saddad]

 

Sorry to necro an old thread' date=' but, I think it may be important to let everyone here know, the mod maker has a DIRECT link to THIS topic, and has (with good reason) gotten mad and taken his mod completely off the site. so even those with the gold cannot legitimatly get it. Please, beggers, dont mess it up for everyone else by urging the community to help "steal" from a site that has just barely begun to accept english speaking people. Show some respect, even if it was just edited, its still a lot of outfits and a lot of work.

[/quote']

 

I'm getting really sick of people lately. I wouldn't call anyone around here a "begger" and surely not in context with this topic.

People on that forum are acting like big asses and there's no justification for that i can see. Not only have they full acces to our (western) modding sites and mods, no, they even "sell" them on their forum although they didnt even move a finger for the creation of that mod. And these people want from every single one of us who could like their mods their "fee".

 

 

Firstly, there are two "big asses" modders you probably know active here (Mktsang and WolfZQ) both are on moderteam as well, they released thier work here for free, while they either don't release the mods on chinese sites (mktsang's case) or strictly ask for a donation to access the mod (wolfzq's case).

 

rockmars, the modder in this case released his mod on tesnexus http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=37167

guess what? he asked for 20 gold and a certain privilage to download on moderteam.

 

I'm not talking about everyone there you know :/

 

Secondly, the use of virtual currency is a common practice on chinese discussion boards, which is intended to encourge posting and getting online (both will give you the currency).

 

In this "context", 1000 gold is probably aimed to tease some people use other people's work(redistribute and reupload without permission) to get them some real life money, (Yangyang's case, as I discussed in another post), and as he said in the original post, these mods are for internal distribution, usually the mod authors and moderators on that forum (who can afford it anyway).

 

I don't understand you.

 

 

To sum it up, we give them for free anything they want, but when we want something then we must pay. And when we're dumb enough, we can even pay them for our own stuff.

 

In RL, i call these people bastards, assholes and i truly resent this sort of people.

 

 

Who are "we",

 

People who are interested in Oblivion mods

 

and who are you? a mod author?

 

Same question to you

 

In RL, what should I call you?

 

I guess Leo is alright.

 

 

TO xy123, would you dare to post the same content on the original post? Your behaviour is coward and dirty. And you'd better not to say you are chinese, that's actually a shame on me.

 

 

If you really think that i'm talking about everyone on that forum or even about every single chinese then i'm sorry that you misunderstood my post. And with the swear words, again, i'm not talking about a group of people, i'm talking about people who act like asses.

 

Then I'm sorry I overestimated your capability to understand.

 

You seemed to have forgotten what you wrote:

 

"People on that forum are acting like big asses and there's no justification for that i can see."

 

People on that forum? Who are "people", people defined by you?

 

You seemed to contradict yourself. You may want to look back your post,

 

"Not only have they full acces to our (western) modding sites and mods, "

 

"we give them for free anything they want, but when we want something then we must pay."

 

you don't stand for the "West".

 

 

[legit1337]

 

Sorry to necro an old thread' date=' but, I think it may be important to let everyone here know, the mod maker has a DIRECT link to THIS topic, and has (with good reason) gotten mad and taken his mod completely off the site. so even those with the gold cannot legitimatly get it. Please, beggers, dont mess it up for everyone else by urging the community to help "steal" from a site that has just barely begun to accept english speaking people. Show some respect, even if it was just edited, its still a lot of outfits and a lot of work.

[/quote']

 

I'm getting really sick of people lately. I wouldn't call anyone around here a "begger" and surely not in context with this topic.

People on that forum are acting like big asses and there's no justification for that i can see. Not only have they full acces to our (western) modding sites and mods, no, they even "sell" them on their forum although they didnt even move a finger for the creation of that mod. And these people want from every single one of us who could like their mods their "fee".

 

 

Firstly, there are two "big asses" modders you probably know active here (Mktsang and WolfZQ) both are on moderteam as well, they released thier work here for free, while they either don't release the mods on chinese sites (mktsang's case) or strictly ask for a donation to access the mod (wolfzq's case).

 

rockmars, the modder in this case released his mod on tesnexus http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=37167

guess what? he asked for 20 gold and a certain privilage to download on moderteam.

 

I'm not talking about everyone there you know :/

 

Secondly, the use of virtual currency is a common practice on chinese discussion boards, which is intended to encourge posting and getting online (both will give you the currency).

 

In this "context", 1000 gold is probably aimed to tease some people use other people's work(redistribute and reupload without permission) to get them some real life money, (Yangyang's case, as I discussed in another post), and as he said in the original post, these mods are for internal distribution, usually the mod authors and moderators on that forum (who can afford it anyway).

 

I don't understand you.

 

 

To sum it up, we give them for free anything they want, but when we want something then we must pay. And when we're dumb enough, we can even pay them for our own stuff.

 

In RL, i call these people bastards, assholes and i truly resent this sort of people.

 

 

Who are "we",

 

People who are interested in Oblivion mods

 

and who are you? a mod author?

 

Same question to you

 

In RL, what should I call you?

 

I guess Leo is alright.

 

 

TO xy123, would you dare to post the same content on the original post? Your behaviour is coward and dirty. And you'd better not to say you are chinese, that's actually a shame on me.

 

 

If you really think that i'm talking about everyone on that forum or even about every single chinese then i'm sorry that you misunderstood my post. And with the swear words, again, i'm not talking about a group of people, i'm talking about people who act like asses.

 

Then I'm sorry I overestimated your capability to understand.

 

You seemed to have forgotten what you wrote:

 

"People on that forum are acting like big asses and there's no justification for that i can see."

 

People on that forum? Who are "people", people defined by you?

 

You seemed to contradict yourself. You may want to look back your post,

 

"Not only have they full acces to our (western) modding sites and mods, "

 

"we give them for free anything they want, but when we want something then we must pay."

 

you don't stand for the "West".

 

 

 

Hey man, he offered to stop arguing and drop it, then you jump on it again.

 

He is not saying everyone on moderteam is an asshole. He is not saying all chinese are assholes. He is saying that pretentious pricks that show tease pictures while keeping their mods "in the community" (no outsiders), while feeding off content from other communities are assholes. I agree with him, the virtual currency system is bullshit, our community doesn't have it and it works fine. The whole idea of "privelege" and entitlement is disgusting. Once they put it on the internet it doesn't just belong to them anymore. (Holy crap I can't believe I'm saying this to someone from a supposedly "communist" country) Yes people should give them credit, and ask their permission to use their work in other mods. But to try to artificially limit content that they released to the public, to only a certain group of people just reeks of greed and dickery. Especially if said content is based off work that wasn't theirs in the first place.

 

What makes you think you have the right to come in here and start talking shit to us? This whole argument started when one of you came in here and called us "beggars" and thieves.

 

You need to GTFO, now.

[saddad]

 

Sorry to necro an old thread' date=' but, I think it may be important to let everyone here know, the mod maker has a DIRECT link to THIS topic, and has (with good reason) gotten mad and taken his mod completely off the site. so even those with the gold cannot legitimatly get it. Please, beggers, dont mess it up for everyone else by urging the community to help "steal" from a site that has just barely begun to accept english speaking people. Show some respect, even if it was just edited, its still a lot of outfits and a lot of work.

[/quote']

 

I'm getting really sick of people lately. I wouldn't call anyone around here a "begger" and surely not in context with this topic.

People on that forum are acting like big asses and there's no justification for that i can see. Not only have they full acces to our (western) modding sites and mods, no, they even "sell" them on their forum although they didnt even move a finger for the creation of that mod. And these people want from every single one of us who could like their mods their "fee".

 

 

Firstly, there are two "big asses" modders you probably know active here (Mktsang and WolfZQ) both are on moderteam as well, they released thier work here for free, while they either don't release the mods on chinese sites (mktsang's case) or strictly ask for a donation to access the mod (wolfzq's case).

 

rockmars, the modder in this case released his mod on tesnexus http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=37167

guess what? he asked for 20 gold and a certain privilage to download on moderteam.

 

I'm not talking about everyone there you know :/

 

Secondly, the use of virtual currency is a common practice on chinese discussion boards, which is intended to encourge posting and getting online (both will give you the currency).

 

In this "context", 1000 gold is probably aimed to tease some people use other people's work(redistribute and reupload without permission) to get them some real life money, (Yangyang's case, as I discussed in another post), and as he said in the original post, these mods are for internal distribution, usually the mod authors and moderators on that forum (who can afford it anyway).

 

I don't understand you.

 

 

To sum it up, we give them for free anything they want, but when we want something then we must pay. And when we're dumb enough, we can even pay them for our own stuff.

 

In RL, i call these people bastards, assholes and i truly resent this sort of people.

 

 

Who are "we",

 

People who are interested in Oblivion mods

 

and who are you? a mod author?

 

Same question to you

 

In RL, what should I call you?

 

I guess Leo is alright.

 

 

TO xy123, would you dare to post the same content on the original post? Your behaviour is coward and dirty. And you'd better not to say you are chinese, that's actually a shame on me.

 

 

If you really think that i'm talking about everyone on that forum or even about every single chinese then i'm sorry that you misunderstood my post. And with the swear words, again, i'm not talking about a group of people, i'm talking about people who act like asses.

 

Then I'm sorry I overestimated your capability to understand.

 

You seemed to have forgotten what you wrote:

 

"People on that forum are acting like big asses and there's no justification for that i can see."

 

People on that forum? Who are "people", people defined by you?

 

You seemed to contradict yourself. You may want to look back your post,

 

"Not only have they full acces to our (western) modding sites and mods, "

 

"we give them for free anything they want, but when we want something then we must pay."

 

you don't stand for the "West".

 

 

 

Hey man, he offered to stop arguing and drop it, then you jump on it again.

 

He is not saying everyone on moderteam is an asshole. He is not saying all chinese are assholes. He is saying that pretentious pricks that show tease pictures while keeping their mods "in the community" (no outsiders), while feeding off content from other communities are assholes. I agree with him, the virtual currency system is bullshit, our community doesn't have it and it works fine. The whole idea of "privelege" and entitlement is disgusting. Once they put it on the internet it doesn't just belong to them anymore. (Holy crap I can't believe I'm saying this to someone from a supposedly "communist" country) Yes people should give them credit, and ask their permission to use their work in other mods. But to try to artificially limit content that they released to the public, to only a certain group of people just reeks of greed and dickery. Especially if said content is based off work that wasn't theirs in the first place.

 

You need to GTFO, now.

 

He evaded my questions and you came in.

 

He said "people on that forum", then I assume that means ALL people unless he implies some are non-people?

 

Again, I have expained the purposes and context in my post, the system is not used to delude "Westerners" or Chinese.

 

And his (and your) accusation of the mod author stealing other people's work is even more groundless.

 

You need to GTFO, now.

 

Then you are?

[leddis3]

Oh shut up saddad. Nobody is talking about mktsang or wolfzq.

We're talking about this particular self-entitled stuck up asshole and his stupid attitude.

 

Also, the only thing virtual currency does is encourage spam. Discussion my ass. All it does is artificially pad the post count of a forum with complete useless drivel.

Some western sites have a variation on this two, such as f3underground requiring 30 posts before downloading anything. It is nothing but a cheap and cynical ploy to make a forum look more active than it really is.

 

And yes, if this modder is taking other people's work, editing them then CHARGING for them (virtual currency or not) then he is a thief. End of story.

[saddad]

Oh shut up saddad. Nobody is talking about mktsang or wolfzq.

We're talking about this particular self-entitled stuck up asshole and his stupid attitude.

 

Also' date=' the only thing virtual currency does is encourage spam. Discussion my ass. All it does is artificially pad the post count of a forum with complete useless drivel.

Some western sites have a variation on this two, such as f3underground requiring 30 posts before downloading anything. It is nothing but a cheap and cynical ploy to make a forum look more active than it really is.

 

And yes, if this modder is taking other people's work, editing them then CHARGING for them (virtual currency or not) then he is a thief. End of story.

[/quote']

 

The mod author has said in his post, 9 of them are "转模“ which is conversion of either free models or bought premium models from some model website to oblivion.

 

[leddis3]

Oh shut up saddad. Nobody is talking about mktsang or wolfzq.

We're talking about this particular self-entitled stuck up asshole and his stupid attitude.

 

Also' date=' the only thing virtual currency does is encourage spam. Discussion my ass. All it does is artificially pad the post count of a forum with complete useless drivel.

Some western sites have a variation on this two, such as f3underground requiring 30 posts before downloading anything. It is nothing but a cheap and cynical ploy to make a forum look more active than it really is.

 

And yes, if this modder is taking other people's work, editing them then CHARGING for them (virtual currency or not) then he is a thief. End of story.

[/quote']

 

The mod author has said in his post, 9 of them are "转模“ which is conversion of either free models or bought premium models from some model website to oblivion.

 

 

And the rest?

I know for a fact that edits of mods made by others turn up on moderteam for ridiculous "prices" all the time.

Hell, barely a week after Nightwynd released her armours here, edits of it were being sold on moderteam!

 

As I've said. Not everybody on moderteam is despicable, but their general attitude there is reprehensible. They are xenophobic, hostile and harbour thieves.

Defend this modder all you like, it doesn't change that his attitude is rotten and that, frankly, we don't need him. He can take his mods and shove it.

[Sizustar]

Oh shut up saddad. Nobody is talking about mktsang or wolfzq.

We're talking about this particular self-entitled stuck up asshole and his stupid attitude.

 

Also' date=' the only thing virtual currency does is encourage spam. Discussion my ass. All it does is artificially pad the post count of a forum with complete useless drivel.

Some western sites have a variation on this two, such as f3underground requiring 30 posts before downloading anything. It is nothing but a cheap and cynical ploy to make a forum look more active than it really is.

 

And yes, if this modder is taking other people's work, editing them then CHARGING for them (virtual currency or not) then he is a thief. End of story.

[/quote']

 

The mod author has said in his post, 9 of them are "转模“ which is conversion of either free models or bought premium models from some model website to oblivion.

 

 

I'm not sure what the problem is, but what you're saying isn't disagreeing with what other have said.

 

The outfit are modification of existing models, thus not the author's origional work.

 

Whether he said it is origional or a conversion, isn't in conflict with their point that he didn't create said origional content.

[saddad]

Oh shut up saddad. Nobody is talking about mktsang or wolfzq.

We're talking about this particular self-entitled stuck up asshole and his stupid attitude.

 

Also' date=' the only thing virtual currency does is encourage spam. Discussion my ass. All it does is artificially pad the post count of a forum with complete useless drivel.

Some western sites have a variation on this two, such as f3underground requiring 30 posts before downloading anything. It is nothing but a cheap and cynical ploy to make a forum look more active than it really is.

 

And yes, if this modder is taking other people's work, editing them then CHARGING for them (virtual currency or not) then he is a thief. End of story.

[/quote']

 

The mod author has said in his post, 9 of them are "转模“ which is conversion of either free models or bought premium models from some model website to oblivion.

 

 

I'm not sure what the problem is, but what you're saying isn't disagreeing with what other have said.

 

The outfit are modification of existing models, thus not the author's origional work.

 

Whether he said it is origional or a conversion, isn't in conflict with their point that he didn't create said origional content.

 

He acknowledged or bought the right to use (I don't know), not gaining any financial interest, so not "thief".

[HanPL]

Hmm topic started with someone asking for package and now changed into flame and arguing war...

If you guys want to talk about moderteam gold policy or something else,make new topic in general.

Because like bluewr for now this is one big offtopic now.

 

[Sizustar]

Here's the topic in General.

http://www.loverslab.com/showthread.php?tid=1972

 

If you wish to discuss, argue, vent, etc.

You're welcome to use it.

[gregathit]

Bottom line on this discussion is it is illegal to charge any sort of money (virtual or real) for a mod. Whether or not the work is original or a retexture makes ABSOLUTELY no difference!!!! Only Bethesda can charge or Ok others to charge for content as they own all the copyrights. As he clearly does not have Bethesda's permission to charge virtual money then any further arguments are VOID!!!!!

 

Now on the other topic of password protecting and all that........as long as he has permission to use other modders works (retextured stuff) then he can distribute it to whom he pleases (provided he doesn't Charge for it).

 

My personal opinion is that people who make others jump through hoops to get access to their mods are just plain immature glory hounds. However I am adult enough to recognize that my opinion is only meaningful to one person.......ME!!!

[Vitriks]

So anyone got the DL link?

[SkyeG]

No one ever posted one, as you can see it just turned into a flame war. Topic kinda got lost from there