Seeing a Pattern? [Rant, Discussion?]

[blackfocker]

After having read the whole thread and given myself some time to think about it. I have one point to add...

 

Skyrim has not been out for a full year yet. It is still quite new. Oblivion had been out for a few years before either the Lovers mods or this wonderful comunity existed.

 

I remmeber when Oblivion first came out and there was a similar complaint about the lack of adult content mods as compared to Morrowind.

 

Take that as you will.

[The DarkSlayer]

After having read the whole thread and given myself some time to think about it. I have one point to add...

 

Skyrim has not been out for a full year yet. It is still quite new. Oblivion had been out for a few years before either the Lovers mods or this wonderful comunity existed.

 

I remmeber when Oblivion first came out and there was a similar complaint about the lack of adult content mods as compared to Morrowind.

 

You got that right. Just be patient, it will come out eventually. People this days *sigh*

[DARTHANIMAL]

Lately I have read in many sites discussion that goes beyond the limits of the concept a discussion and become a nosense complain from the point of certain people that defend their rights to complain, insult and disrepect some work like if they really have the rights to change everything as an all might king or tyrant.

 

A lot of people always complain about everything and anything even if they don't really learn about a project or even before they get further knowledge to give a constructive stament or criticize. I remember that a lot of Tolkien's fan used to give negative thoughts about LOTR movies just by watching the movies, for example that Arwen rol was changed on the movies compared with her participation described in the books. But sometimes some people like those fans forget the concept of adaption for example the movie adapation "based" on certain book, Complains about new Star Wars trilogy, about new Star Strek reimagined version. I used to read people pointing Mass Effect as a bad copy of Gear of Wars and not being an original product. Now I have been readin some people saying that Star Wars 1313 is a bad copy of Mass Effect. All of the complain about Mass Effect's endings, I wonder what about those people that don't like beethoven or Madonna or John Williams music, should they have to ask to those authors and compositors to reimagine a new score for their taste?, more difficult for those people to demand such thing if the creator if already retired or dead.

 

Modders are users that like a product and have ideas to develop a modification for their taste, maybe onr or more do it as some kind of job to get donation and even so it is not bad if they get donations from simple users that like their creations. But modders like in this comunity are just users and gamers and not small or big companies, they just use their old or new knowledge to create something creative, not matter if it will be loved or hated by a minor or majority. The magic thing is not what they do or can do, the magic thing about all of this is that they share their time, hard time and creation with the rest of the simple users that just use modifications for a game. It does not matter if a small of big amount of people will like those creations or not, a certain amount of people will like those and will share the same creator's thought and sometimes creators and user can accomplish better versions. But I personally don't share and I am not agreed with so much complains arounds with certain or some or all mods instead that just exist people that get fun with the mods that are insterested with and some share constructive thoughts, exist a certain population that just live putting and sometimes wasting their energies in negative thoughts that don't help anybody includes themselves and keep complaining about everything as part of their behaviour and personality like nowadays some people fastly get angry if they don't get an instant message respong in their cellphones forgeting that the people on the other side are not robots yet or like those people calling and sending messages to the radio stations demaning certain music and complaings about the radio program purpose like if they were the "producer". Those people forget their rold as "listeners" as some forget their rold as "gamers" and "users" as also those forget the rold of a "modder" which is not a user's emplotee.

 

Well, sorry if I made a long text and probably with erros nad mistakes on the english languages. I don't like to complain but I did it this time because I like this comunity and I like and respect the modders efforts and I am thanksful that they sharing their magic to enjoy the game beyong the original concept not matter the category or if I like or not one or some in particular because all are great by simple existance and creations by these great modders. Great job, keep with that magic and hope that demands and complains get you all upset and thank you for sharing your magic!

[DDproductions83]

And as a note on the length of the game being out, I have a lot of projects on hold waiting for sex anims and at least 7 female VA's who are great and more than willing to voice characters with any dialogue and or sound (two of them seriously get off on it so wooooo painslut VA being one of them )

 

A companion I am currently working on has just fade to black sex scenes with a few seconds of commentary and or moaning etc with comments when it fades back in due to a lack of willingness to even fuck with asx until it is fully developed.

 

So give it time, you will get to fap off to skyrim to something you like in the future don't you worry one bit!

[DocClox]

I'm not into the "scene' date='" but I find it a little ironic that the Nexus is owned by a guy who lives in a country where the "old slap and tickle" is such a common consideration, it isn't even a subculture anymore -- it's just the culture.

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Humm. Coming from that same country, I don't think that means what you think it means. "Slap and tickle" is just a euphemism for having sex. It dates back at least to the 1950s, and a time when patting a girl on the backside as she passed or ticking up someone from the typing pool was a lot more socially acceptable. A lot has changed in 60 years.

 

We're no more sex-obsessed than any other culture, I don't think. (OK, I may not be a particularly good example). If anything, we're known for being a little repressed.

 

Certainly, I wouldn't describe "slap and tickle" in the literal sense as being part of the culture. But hey, maybe I just don't get invited to the right sort of parties...

 

What I'm saying is this: It's not that they are against extreme sex mods. They are against losing money. Whether or not carrying extreme content could cause them to lose money is up for debate' date=' but it is in their best interest to make that decision.

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I think that's basically it. It's just a shame some of their moderators have to get so holier-than-thou about it. As a business practice, darkOne has to pay for bandwidth and and if that means cleaning up the sex mods, so be it. If they'd keep it on that level I think a lot more of us would sympathise with them.

 

non-consensual relationships are' date=' by far, easier to describe than consensual ones,[/quote']

 

This is a fact.

 

Kind of. All relationships are hard to do well. It's just that a pure rape mod lets you ignore the relationship entirely and treat sex as a combat move.

 

Unfortunately' date=' this takes some of the fun out of it, because it severely limits the number of potential lovers/mates/spouses. On the other hand, non-consensual activity is easy, because there doesn't have to be any conversation in order for it to be believable. It's enough for us to just steal recordings of "yes," "no," or "ouch," from the vanilla game.

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See, to my mind that says that "it's as easy to do nc relationships badly as it is to do consensual ones badly".

 

As a counter example look at the relationship in Cursed Armour between the PC and the Goddess. Not perhaps as nuanced as The Romancing of Eyja, but a long way better than "yes", "no" and "ouch".

 

You can't make someone to make a specific mod for you' date=' but you can voice your opinion about the ones they do make.

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I don't mind criticism. The ones that wind me up are the ones that think I have a moral obligation to cater to their fetishes. Or that by failing to write the game or mod the way they want, that I'm somehow "forcing" my viewpoint upon them.

 

That was my only issue with the original post in this thread, really. As a call to arms to get more variety in sex mods and a lighter tone for some of them, It's fair enough. it just loses me when it talks about "forcing the extreme aspects on the player".

 

I'm not forcing anything on anyone.

 

One thing I do empathize with: the lack of an overall sexual framework. I too would have liked to have seen this first.

 

Me too. I planned SSG thinking I'd be able to use Prideslayer's BlueSky framework and hoping to see a lot of modular development like we've seen in Sexout.

 

We may get that yet, of course. I hope we do.

[Evilrunner]

One thing I do empathize with: the lack of an overall sexual framework. I too would have liked to have seen this first.

 

Me too. I planned SSG thinking I'd be able to use Prideslayer's BlueSky framework and hoping to see a lot of modular development like we've seen in Sexout.

 

We may get that yet' date=' of course. I hope we do.

[/quote']

 

We probably will get there. While it would be nice to have our own (no more translation nightmares ) Even if we don't manage the Japanese are pretty much guaranteed to come up with something.

[GHJKL]

I'm gonna steal this comment from J&C Pleasure Factory by Cyanure and Jammer (http://www.loverslab.com/showthread.php?tid=6816) Which I think might be discontinued because off "Users" complaining about how it isn't their taste/want different things.

 

This is what we see from "the other side" of the computer screen:

 

"I want...."

 

"Make it for UNP."

 

"Make it for Cherry's Body."

 

"It doesn't work and you broke my computer." (no further information of course)

 

"I don't mean to say' date=' but I want..."

 

"Do X for me. Thanks in advance!"

 

^ This type of talk is burning Cyanure and I out quickly, so yeah, we are bit cranky at the present moment. Granted, we intellectually know people's "wants" on large scales are unlimited, I still expect some self control over ones passions in a public forum. We bust our tails to make neat mods for the adult community and what do we get? An ear full from the "entitled" vocal minority, who can barely find the power button on a PC, much less read a carefully prepared description, and then say this mod is crap.

 

This is one of my favorite ones right now: A guy hacks the crap out of his Skyrim file system, installs our mod, than says it's not working and it has to be our .esp file causing the problem. Then he admits he didn't install the mod as directed.

 

Yeah, right. I guess personal responsibility is dying concept and it's our fault.

 

Let me let you in on a little secret a really creative person usually doesn't express. We create "stuff" because it's important to our mental health. Cyanure and I create art, take photographs, and build things in real life etc because we feel compelled to do so; we *must* do it. The true artist doesn't ask for money in return, although we'd really like to make a living doing what we love. Unfortunately, the modern world doesn't allow most of this luxury. Still, we create and even share sometimes; like this mod.

 

 

I will promise you this: Cyanure and I most assuredly do not need Skyrim or the community to be creative. Personally, I haven't even "played" the game in 2 months. I just like to see ideas "realized" in real time. We like to see screenshots such as the ones "Dark_Lord" puts up; it makes us feel good. He gives us great feedback and we love it. With this said, we can take every object in the Factory mod, including the "new stuff" nobody has seen yet, and very easily port it into another program for rendering. This would give us 100% control, not the ~20% we have now, and we no longer have to worry about bugs, patch updates breaking the mod, the vocal minority screaming at us, the stress of something going wrong on release days etc.

 

If we are pushed any harder by all the negative comments posted in various locations, we will pull every single thing posted from day one; which includes all my old mods as well. Then the public gets to wait until the next "sucker" comes along and "steamrolls" that poor Joe, whoever he may be. Just try us if you think we're joking. Cyanure backs this decision 100%.

 

All we ask in return is a simple "thanks;" it makes us feel good because we made someone else's life a little better place in this (beep) world. If you like the mod, let us know; a single word is all we ask. We have 20,000 views and over 3,000 downloads in 4 days. What's being said? 10 to 15ish people at maximum who are kind enough to say something pleasant with the rest (beep) and moaning, or being snide at best.

 

The choice is up to the public at large if we continue or not, but I think I'm wasting my time typing this.

 

Best Regards,

 

Jammer

 

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[Evilrunner]

That post actually offends me. A lot.

 

I've always modded mainly for two main groups. Myself, and those who like what I make. Those who dislike what I do, or claim the mod killed their cat or something obviously do not direct the direction I take.

Pulling a mod is certainly an action I would never consider taking. Never made sense to me, it's essentially punishing those who do like your mod to spite those who hate it (i.e. a victory for them).

 

Then again, my stuff hasn't been anywhere near as popular, nor received as much response so perhaps I'm not really entitled to comment. I do like to think that as long as one person enjoys it, it's worthwhile and I also like to think that I'm not just some 'sucker' putting out stuff for some unsympathetic user base.

[TheSmithsDog]

That post actually offends me. A lot.

 

I've always modded mainly for two main groups. Myself' date=' and those who like what I make. Those who dislike what I do, or claim the mod killed their cat or something obviously do not direct the direction I take.

Pulling a mod is certainly an action I would never consider taking. Never made sense to me, it's essentially punishing those who do like your mod to spite those who hate it (i.e. a victory for them).

 

Then again, my stuff hasn't been anywhere near as popular, nor received as much response so perhaps I'm not really entitled to comment. I do like to think that as long as one person enjoys it, it's worthwhile and I also like to think that I'm not just some 'sucker' putting out stuff for some unsympathetic user base.

[/quote']

 

I wasn't going to post anything in this thread but I just thought I'd tell you I agree with you wholeheartedly. Yes I've modded, no I've never pulled mods or would even contemplate it, no need to ask me permission for use, etc.

 

I have had other modders pull things like textures they've made for my mod. Or another well known female modder pulling all the conversions I did with permission, of her male clothing to female. The meshes were given to her and included in her mod. Funny thing about that one is she didn't credit me for converting for her.

 

Another of her mods is a male conversion of something I did even uses the exact same name for the mod and the readme on her site is almost word for word as I have on nexus, again no credit. I don't particularly care as fame is not why I mod and I like a little anonymity but I know it's not something she would stand for.

 

Some people are just too precious.

 

For those that think I'm FoS about the above you can verify by comparing these if you feel the need:

 

 

URL removed as I hate pointing straight at someone for no real gain. Feel free to go to the like below, copy and paste the description into google. You'll find it.

http://oblivion.nexusmods.com/mods/10782

 

 

[Guest Donkey]

That post was the exact reason i removed lovers Creatures Extender. People where even harrasing me through pm's post after post's complaining my mod broke there game, how do i remove the damn hitode..

 

While all was fully covered in original topic even the damn readme.. Explained this part clearly.

 

It was not that i wanted to remove it or else i would have taken everything else i ever released down with it.

 

But i can very much understand why a modder would ultimatly be forced to do such drastic action.

 

Once you remove it, then all of sudden every one jumps on the thread why is it gone ?? What happened etc.. If they done it sooner maybe the complainers would have gotten the hint to buzz off. But by then it is allready to late.

[TheSmithsDog]

That post was the exact reason i removed lovers Creatures Extender. People where even harrasing me through pm's post after post's complaining my mod broke there game' date=' how do i remove the damn hitode..

 

While all was fully covered in original topic even the damn readme.. Explained this part clearly.

 

It was not that i wanted to remove it or else i would have taken everything else i ever released down with it.

 

But i can very much understand why a modder would ultimatly be forced to do such drastic action.

 

Once you remove it, then all of sudden every one jumps on the thread why is it gone ?? What happened etc.. If they done it sooner maybe the complainers would have gotten the hint to buzz off. But by then it is allready to late.

[/quote']

 

You/they are not really forced to do anything. A simple "not my problem, I made the mod for me like it or lump it" is all you need to say. I've had queries similar "why isn't it this way?" "Why is it clothing and not armour?" My answer is "that's the way I made it."

[Guest Donkey]

You/they are not really forced to do anything

 

Actually i did. once i removed it all complaining stopped. And so is the harrasing part through pm. So for me it was actually win/win situation.

[DARTHANIMAL]

Maybe this thread was not all bad after all even if already exists other rant thread. At least, lately, in this actual thread some modders are expressing what maybe they did not have expressed in their own mod threads in the past about the relationship between user and modder. The thread will less bad if the users that already did not know their place as user enjoying the mods could read some of the posts took place in here and be conscious about that a modder is also a person and user at the end and not just some AI robot supporter service at a "hot line" as either a big company as those that develop a whole game.

 

Well, just a new week is starting and who knows maybe not all but some will consider their past action and behaviour and correct in order to improve the relationship between user and modder at least on this site.

[oblivionwithdongs]

Victimization fetish is pretty common among adult videogame mods, simply because unlike traditional porn the level of interactivity is significantly higher, which allows people to invent scenarios in their head.

Look at lovers for oblivion, the majority of mods are based around roleplaying a constantly victimized girl.

[Jexsam]

If we are pushed any harder by all the negative comments posted in various locations, we will pull every single thing posted from day one; which includes all my old mods as well. Then the public gets to wait until the next "sucker" comes along and "steamrolls" that poor Joe, whoever he may be. Just try us if you think we're joking. Cyanure backs this decision 100%.

 

What a selfish prick. If you thought the things I said in the OP were harsh, wait until I get done on the subject of people like him...

 

I can understand ceasing work on a mod that's bringing nothing but grief. I can even understand pulling incomplete works entirely if the text-based abuse is really that excessive.

 

But how much of a child do you have to be to pull everything because some people said something you don't like? That's like building a bowling alley and closing it down three weeks later because you heard a couple of people say the paint job was bad.

 

For every one person complaining, how many were happily bowling away their evenings? He said himself he has (had) tons of downloads in the span of only four days. And in those four days, how many complained? But no, he throws a bitch fit because not enough people pat him on the fucking back.

 

And Slof. Oh god Slof. Little miss "I'll convert whatever I want but you can convert nothing of mine ever". Same dumb bitch who got an image pulled off Nexus because it depicted a conversion of one of her outfits, a conversion that was not and was never distributed to anyone. It was literally just a picture. And Queen Bitch Slof had it pulled. Same cunt who basically started the totalitarian movement on Nexus when she became a mod there because she couldn't handle a few twelve-year-olds' comments. Fucking Slof.

 

 

tl;dr I have strong feelings on the subject.

[sushihammer]

if the users that already did not know their place as user

 

No need to alienate your audience.

 

improve the relationship between user and modder

[turbosnowy]

On a de-rail isn't Slof the person who is putting genitalia on horses? Yeah you might need to re-read that again - it was what you thought you read.

 

Anyhoo - with regard to the above quotes, take it in context, the context being that too many people (users) these days, according to my majestic self taught psychology magic (or MSTPGM for short) seem to have an entitlement complex, where they feel that stating they dont like something actually means something to other people.

 

It doesn't.

 

Mod sites are not twitter and other mod users are not your followers. A mod author likely does not give one fuck that BUbmLeFucKOO1 thinks your mod is crap - why should he/her - what does BUbmLeFucKOO1 hope to achive by telling the author/world that he does not like something? Noone knows him from Adam or cares what his views are on anything let alone a free mod for video game.

 

If you have something nice to say, then fine say you appreciated it, authors like to know that someone else but them is enjoying the stuff they create - if you have bugs to report then report it, if you have ideas for improvement then suggest them (never demand), but telling someone you dont know that you dont like something they provide free of charge and you chose of your own freewill to downloaded just seems fucking crazy to me since no one fucking cares (you are not complaining to a company for something you bought remember, just chose by your own volition to try out).

 

Using someone else previous analogy it's like standing outside an icecream van and complaining to all the people who buy vanilla icecream because you personally like chocolate - makes no sense at all, and speaks of some kind of bizarro self-importance complex to me.

[Guest Vendayn]

If my 2 cents matters at all.

 

I do Youtube videos, sorta. I haven't done any in a while. But to the point...

 

I learned if you don't get haters/trolls on your youtube channel, you probably aren't popular or doing it right. So take the hate and (especially) trolling as a good thing They make the best viewers, because they always view the video and post comments, and get into arguments...which means more views.

 

My belief is. If I make one person better because of my videos, then who cares about anyone else? I don't worry about them. As long as I make one persons life that much better. That is what counts.

[GHJKL]

Anyone that talks bad behavior right should take a second and think about it.

 

I would like to make an comparison to museums, maybe not everyone's favorite thing but whatever. See a mod as a collection in an museum. That the owners have put together at great cost to their free time. They do this because they like what they collect. They like it so much they let everyone in for free as to share their collection to the world. And then those with zero knowledge about the subject come and go: "hurr, you are stupid, I who just walked in here and took a 5 second look at your collection knows way better what you should put in this collection and what you should do with it than you who spend a lot of time to gather this all together"

 

Now the situation is that the owners have a collection.

They are rational people however, and if you would say they made the collection just because they liked it. The collection is finished and has no impact on the question if they show it to other people. However that means that what is of influence is the responses they get from the visitors. Where one could say that as long as the positive reactions cancel out the negative responses the museum stays open. and when the negative responses overwhelm the positive ones it closes.

Fairly simple, but do not forget that the value a person gives to responses are personal, one person may hardly take notice of them while another person would become outraged by them. same goes also the other way, one person might be happy for every new visitor, While another likes the visitors to show they liked it.

 

Modders are people and all people are different. no one has the right to say, I do not care about bad/obnoxious/rude comments, therefore others aren't allowed to care about those comments. they have all the rights to care in their own way.

[DDproductions83]

Anyone that talks bad behavior right should take a second and think about it.

 

I would like to make an comparison to museums' date=' maybe not everyone's favorite thing but whatever. See a mod as a collection in an museum. That the owners have put together at great cost to their free time. They do this because they like what they collect. They like it so much they let everyone in for free as to share their collection to the world. And then those with zero knowledge about the subject come and go: "hurr, you are stupid, I who just walked in here and took a 5 second look at your collection knows way better what you should put in this collection and what you should do with it than you who spend a lot of time to gather this all together"

 

Now the situation is that the owners have a collection.

They are rational people however, and if you would say they made the collection just because they liked it. The collection is finished and has no impact on the question if they show it to other people. However that means that what is of influence is the responses they get from the visitors. Where one could say that as long as the positive reactions cancel out the negative responses the museum stays open. and when the negative responses overwhelm the positive ones it closes.

Fairly simple, but do not forget that the value a person gives to responses are personal, one person may hardly take notice of them while another person would become outraged by them. same goes also the other way, one person might be happy for every new visitor, While another likes the visitors to show they liked it.

 

Modders are people and all people are different. no one has the right to say, I do not care about bad/obnoxious/rude comments, therefore others aren't allowed to care about those comments. they have all the rights to care in their own way.

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Well put.

 

Was going to post something similar, I was extremely dissapointed in the response to my descent mod and it really did put me back a bit for making new ones. I can very easily understand modders who say 'fuck off' to the community. For every 500 d/l lets say there are 5 people who say thank you and 15 who say 'This mod is shit you broke everything waaaa waaa" that honestly seems to be about right in the average. That leaves 480 people who didn't say shit.

 

The modder can only work with what they see and to some they put an extensive amount of time into these projects. If I honestly thought 75% of the people d/l it were whiny ass PoS's I would pull my mods to.

 

I think the problem lies more in the silent majority than the vocal minority in most cases. I know I put 300+ hours into descent, so that people could add 2 hours of gametime, and people can't even take 45 seconds to say thanks or give any feedback. It gets disheartening.

[DocClox]

I think the problem lies more in the silent majority than the vocal minority in most cases. I know I put 300+ hours into descent' date=' so that people could add 2 hours of gametime, and people can't even take 45 seconds to say thanks or give any feedback. It gets disheartening.

[/quote']

 

I'm fairly new to modding, so I can see both sides of this one.

 

I know that as a mod user, I felt a powerful urge not to waste the modder's time by adding "nice mod, dude" to long list of similar comments. I felt that, unless I had something useful to contribute, that the considerate thing to do was probably to keep quiet and not clutter the channel with my me-tooing

 

Where I have commented it's tended to be bug reports. When I do that i generally start by praising the mod, and then pointing out the circumstances under which it goes wrong and as much supporting info as I can manage. Even then, I'd only generally comment for mods that I felt very strongly about.

 

Now as a modder, I have the view from the other side of the fence, and I can appreciate that those "me too" validations can mean a lot to the person doing the work.

 

But even now, I don't comment on everything. I mean, I downloaded your painslut mod, but I don't think I commented. No particular reason for that; it's a fun idea and nicely executed. Sometimes you just get caught up in other things, and it wasn't like I felt I had anything particularly important to say.

 

I better wrap this up before I descend into random blather: I suppose the point I want to make is that a lot of the silent downloads aren't necessarily silent out of laziness. Some of them will be silent out of respect. Some of them will be nervous about posting, some of them comment if they happen across the page again, but might not like it strongly enough to make a point of seeking out the download page/thread and posting.

 

It's not necessarily laziness or apathy. It's just that while a big mod will dominate the developer's life for a time, even a great mod probably isn't going to be the most important thing happening in the player's life.

[jdods13]

Would be nice to see a mode that lets you really feel like your Dova-dude/dudette is in a relationship with one of the many NPCs of Skyrim that matters and makes sense and is not hard core in any way. I can see Carlotta in Whiterun being a very self respecting woman that won't be down for whips and chains and butt plugs but still a loving wife that can "Do it right" none the less. Could be a neat RP thing to actually have to get your partner in the mood before they will leave their daily chores to have sex with you if they are not already in the mood. No one needs the sex mod to be convenient because hey this is an RPG after all.

 

I love what the SSG mod is doing because while it is horrible in the idea of the mod it does add an extra layer of depth and possibility to the world. Imagine that your sweet innocent wife is captured by these slavers... all bets are off and it's time to pay these slavers a visit and remind them why they should not fuck with the dovahkiin or his family. Since the spouses are already in the game we should see some expanded relationship features.... eventually... that will make you feel closer to them and actually care.

[creeposaurus]

To be fair, if I had to deal with some of the users I've seen commenting in most modding communities, I'd pull my mod too. I wouldn't pull it from the internet completely though, I would just post my work in a better community or my own little spot in the internet. Either way, you have to respect their decision as to what rules they set for their mods, whether you like it or not. People have their own reasons for doing what they do.

 

Back on topic (sort of): I agree with jdods, there are some women in Skyrim I wouldn't want to rape, lol. It'd be cool to have some sort of courting/wooing mod.

[deadmetal]

my view is its harder to put in the complicated fetishes than to make the simple lovers mods, working backwards is easier! true story, your lovers mods will come in time

[DocClox]

Would be nice to see a mode that lets you really feel like ySince the spouses are already in the game we should see some expanded relationship features.... eventually... that will make you feel closer to them and actually care.

 

Back on topic (sort of): I agree with jdods' date=' there are some women in Skyrim I wouldn't want to rape, lol. It'd be cool to have some sort of courting/wooing mod.

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I agree. When the first "better marriage" thread started, the first thing I asked was "can we have better courtship too?"

 

I'd very much like a decent relationship manager. All the bits are in the CK, it seems but they don't seem to do a lot for the player,

 

I do have fairly well established plans for a romance or two as part of the SSG at some stage. It's possible that the code from that will be generalisable and can be used for other romances.

 

The problem of course is that romance mods are basically a ton of dialogue that really ought to be unique to the target of one's affections, so I'm not sure how useful it would be.