Blaze69 Posted January 6, 2017 Posted January 6, 2017 I have a question I would like to have an answer for. I recently downloaded a modern clothing mod for Skyrim from a Naver Cafe page (a Korean social network), and I really liked it, so I decided to edit the files in order to fix some of the many bugs it had (lacked weight slider support, wrong texture files, dirty meshes, required HDT High Heels System, and so on). I managed to get the whole thing sorted in a way I consider acceptable, and I've even been considering releasing what I have here in LL. The problem is, I don't know if I'm allowed to. The file was password protected, and the web page uses some kind of javascript or HTML thing that doesn't allow to copy text or even to right-click, so it's impossible to use a translator from Korean to English (or any other language) neither by copying the text to a translator not by using Chrome's built-in page translator. I only managed to access the files because someone shared some passwords on the Naver Requests thread that could work for many Naver files, and they worked with this specific file. There's also some kind of message written in big, bold red characters in the mod description that, from previous experience, looks like it may read something like "Don't share this with dirty foreigners, specifically people from the West!" or something like that. As far as I know, It could mean "Merry Christmas!" or something else as well, but I can't translate it to check. My question is, would I be allowed to upload my files here (leaving a link to the original source page if required), or would it break the rules? I also used some assets from a different source, though I know that with those I'm fine as long as I credit the original author (which I intend to), but I'm not sure about the files from Naver.
DoctaSax Posted January 6, 2017 Posted January 6, 2017 When it comes to permission to upload someone else's work, you either have it or you don't. If you're not sure you have it, then you don't. No specific exceptions exist for material downloaded from foreign-language sites.
Blaze69 Posted January 6, 2017 Author Posted January 6, 2017 When it comes to permission to upload someone else's work, you either have it or you don't. If you're not sure you have it, then you don't. No specific exceptions exist for material downloaded from foreign-language sites. Okay, I just wanted to mention the reason why I was asking in the first place. Sounds completely reasonable, so I won't upload it, then. Thanks for the quick reply!
rahrahrah Posted January 6, 2017 Posted January 6, 2017 I have a question I would like to have an answer for. I recently downloaded a modern clothing mod for Skyrim from a Naver Cafe page (a Korean social network), and I really liked it, so I decided to edit the files in order to fix some of the many bugs it had (lacked weight slider support, wrong texture files, dirty meshes, required HDT High Heels System, and so on). I managed to get the whole thing sorted in a way I consider acceptable, and I've even been considering releasing what I have here in LL. The problem is, I don't know if I'm allowed to. The file was password protected, and the web page uses some kind of javascript or HTML thing that doesn't allow to copy text or even to right-click, so it's impossible to use a translator from Korean to English (or any other language) neither by copying the text to a translator not by using Chrome's built-in page translator. I only managed to access the files because someone shared some passwords on the Naver Requests thread that could work for many Naver files, and they worked with this specific file. There's also some kind of message written in big, bold red characters in the mod description that, from previous experience, looks like it may read something like "Don't share this with dirty foreigners, specifically people from the West!" or something like that. As far as I know, It could mean "Merry Christmas!" or something else as well, but I can't translate it to check. My question is, would I be allowed to upload my files here (leaving a link to the original source page if required), or would it break the rules? I also used some assets from a different source, though I know that with those I'm fine as long as I credit the original author (which I intend to), but I'm not sure about the files from Naver. From what I could see it's mostly stolen content there anyway - game ports from etc. The brass balls some mesh hackers have over dictating permissions when they themselves don't have them. Which clothes was it btw?
Blaze69 Posted January 6, 2017 Author Posted January 6, 2017 (edited) From what I could see it's mostly stolen content there anyway - game ports from etc. The brass balls some mesh hackers have over dictating permissions when they themselves don't have them. Which clothes was it btw? It was this: Date Armor. And yeah, you are right about stolen content. Just from this file, the Adidas sneakers are just a retexture of some shoes from one of the Fox mods, and the female jeans are retextured capri pants from the Fitness Outfit. AFAIK neither of them require explicit permission to be used, but I'm pretty sure this guy didn't ask either, and there are some other files in Naver with "borrowed" content. Since in this case I can't trace all of the assets to the original mods to ask for permissions, I had to ask this here first. I used the original Fox files for the shoes, since the ones there are kinda broken, and I replaced the jeans as well. Not too keen on the Steve Jobs turtleneck either (lol), so I'm looking for a replacement. To be honest, the only vital part of this file (and the reason I liked it in the first place) is the sleeveless hoodie vest, which I haven't found elsewhere so it must have been made by this guy. Whether he actually created it from scratch, ot ripped it from somewhere else, I don't know, but the former is unlikely. EDIT: And I just realized under the big bold red korean letters I obviously ignored, there is a sentence in broken English (it had to be broken English, of course ) that reads "Do not share other sites or blogs". Didn't see it the first time because I opened the page in a small window and I didn't read it all through. Brass balls indeed, lol. But then again, one could understand it says to not share links to other sites or blogs in the comment section of the mod, but nothing about the mod itself. Y'know, ye olde legal loophole. Wording is everything. Edited January 6, 2017 by Blaze69
Minik435 Posted January 6, 2017 Posted January 6, 2017 From what I could see it's mostly stolen content there anyway - game ports from etc. The brass balls some mesh hackers have over dictating permissions when they themselves don't have them. Which clothes was it btw? It was this: Date Armor. And yeah, you are right about stolen content. Just from this file, the Adidas sneakers are just a retexture of some shoes from one of the Fox mods, and the female jeans are retextured capri pants from the Fitness Outfit. AFAIK neither of them require explicit permission to be used, but I'm pretty sure this guy didn't ask either, and there are some other files in Naver with "borrowed" content. Since in this case I can't trace all of the assets to the original mods to ask for permissions, I had to ask this here first. I used the original Fox files for the shoes, since the ones there are kinda broken, and I replaced the jeans as well. Not too keen on the Steve Jobs turtleneck either (lol), so I'm looking for a replacement. To be honest, the only vital part of this file (and the reason I liked it in the first place) is the sleeveless hoodie vest, which I haven't found elsewhere so it must have been made by this guy. Whether he actually created it from scratch, ot ripped it from somewhere else, I don't know, but the former is unlikely. EDIT: And I just realized under the big bold red korean letters I obviously ignored, there is a sentence in broken English (it had to be broken English, of course ) that reads "Do not share other sites or blogs". Didn't see it the first time because I opened the page in a small window and I didn't read it all through. Brass balls indeed, lol. But then again, one could understand it says to not share links to other sites or blogs in the comment section of the mod, but nothing about the mod itself. Y'know, ye olde legal loophole. Wording is everything. Well... I am not sure if you should use it. If it is most likely stolen, I'd better just drop the idea. There are tons of great mods that can replace those ones on Nexus itself, you just have to look precisely. Didn't you just share the link to it's site on the other site? xD
Blaze69 Posted January 6, 2017 Author Posted January 6, 2017 (edited) Well... I am not sure if you should use it. If it is most likely stolen, I'd better just drop the idea. There are tons of great mods that can replace those ones on Nexus itself, you just have to look precisely. Didn't you just share the link to it's site on the other site? xD That comment was just that, a comment. Regardless of the opinions I may have about this kind of behaviour, I will always respect the rules above everything else. If the rules say I can't post it in LL, then I don't post it and keep it for personal use only. That's it. Besides, it's not like there is no way to have access to my files. You know, what happens in a PM, stays in a PM (unless the moderators have anything to say about that, in which case I will happily comply). You can always ask for the file, and you may get something out of it. The point of that comment was, if you want your EULA (or whatever that statement is supposed to be) to be respected, you can't just write some half-assed attempt at English. I mean, you can grasp from the context that he could have ment to say "Don't share this in other sites", but that's not what's written there, and since they actively prevent the use of translators to read the part in Korean, we can only go by we can read, which doesn't say anything about sharing the mod in other sites. BTW, there are not "tons of great mods to replace this ones". Except from the awesome stuff done by Halofarm for the Aether Suite and some other exceptions, modern clothing for Skyrim (which is what I'm after) is really scarce. That's why I have to resort to the probably-stolen stuff done by that Korean guy, because it seems it's the only place to find that content (and even then, I have to remove all the logos for S.S.P. that are all over the clothes, whatever that is. Probably some K-Pop group or whatever). Also, what do you mean with that? What's that other site you mention? Nexus? EDIT: And now I just realized what you ment, lol. I needed some sleep badly. Yeah, I guess I "broke" that term if we go exactly by what's written there, because I shared the link to his site in other site (LL). Sue me, Korean guy. Edited January 7, 2017 by Blaze69
gregathit Posted January 8, 2017 Posted January 8, 2017 Please use the existing Never cafe thread: http://www.loverslab.com/topic/5220-naver-cafe-mod-request-thread/
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