Help x0x - Several Glitches - Starting from 0

hajicottonbutt · August 5, 2016

highly recommend getting rid of breast and butt physics (and any other related havok object mod) since they're redundant. When i first started modding i installed that and havok object under the mistaken impression i NEEDED those to make bouncy work.

basically, the way i have my left pane is exactly how CT77 instructed

1. Install Groovtama's XPMS Extended(Requires SKSE and Realistic Ragdolls and Force, overwrite when prompted).

2. Install HDT Physics Extentions. Required even for the non-BBP pack!!!

3. Install Remodeled Armor for CBBE Bodyslide and TBBP HDT (overwrite any existing files)

4. Install CBBE (version 3.3 now includes Bodyslide 2.1 and Outfit Studio)

i actually haven't played around with the showracemenu stuff for body alterations yet

btw, what's the name of your succubus race mod?

I did this and it exactly worked as if should, The ass is bouncing now! but I forgot to enable the -Showrace morph- in order to be able to morph my succubus body through in-game

Sadly enough... I didn't manage to get her breasts to react to her own hands... Tch, I wonder if I'm missing a mod or something..

also as for the idle it's here it's extremely easy to use you can just drop it

Also found this other video, apparently we're missing " Havok breast physics " or rather Havok breast object. ?

This video dont worry it's SFW i think this MIGHT be it

i'd test it out but I've to leave probably for the rest of the day until the night x.x

After the great success of getting the succubus body to react to CBBE bodyslider and the ingame MorphMenu I decided to have an scene with Sofia and I noticed her body was glitched, Then went to lydia to see if her body would be acting up too.

And.. well this is what happened lmao

Attaching my ModOrganizer pannels/Screenies

Update: The Havok Object ring is the one necessary for them sweet breast animations.~

Apparently teh glitch its because of Skeleton issues? T-T I'm losing my mind here, I thought I had only edited the Succubus .nif files but apparently they messed up my Sofia and NPC's bodies? @.@ I dont understand this T_T

now that i tihnk about it, when i installed groovatama skeleton i installed it as something else than CBBE TBBP .. Perhaps that's why? Bodyslider was fixated at CBBE TBBP Curvy. .. Hmm.. Also .. Wtf My sofia's hands are huge o_o

ModOrganizerPanels3rd.rar

glitch screens.rar

majorfreak · August 6, 2016

HDT Breast And Butt Physics

AND WHY I THINK IT SUCKS

okay, i get that you are bombarded with instructions and admonitions to use breast and butt physics AND havoks objects. i get it. What i don't get is people ignoring suggestions not to use those redundant mods when TBBP handles it quite well.

COMPLETED PROJECT

Sexy animations (at least sequence 1 so far) works just fine, albeit looking less sexy that said gifs (most likely because i'm using a different bodyslide/showracemenu preset than the creator of sexy idle animations.

I just tested it with my current mod inventory (plus the deadly drain mod; though haven't tested that thoroughly yet) just now.

EXPERIMENTING WITH INSTALL ORDER 1

LEFT PANE OF MOD ORGANIZER

As far as the squished boobs and butts? being a virulent hater of redundant outdated and obsolete mods i highly recommend removing them with alacrity.

I also think you should consider placing the "required" mods above those that require them (like say realistic ragdolls and physics above those mods that require it, etc et al)

Speaking of installation order, i have found 9 times out of 10 that my own person problems with animations going haywire on me (or just not working) is fiddling with my install order (left pane) does the trick, and everyone yapping about 'load order' (right pane) are barking up the wrong tree...most of the time (there are exceptions and that means using meta editing LOOT's preferred order)

Take for instance your silly breast and butt physics mod being below the skeleton (xpmse) which is probably 'virtually' overwriting the critical skeleton (or doing something equally screwy)

for the love of everything holy just disable it

CURRENT PROJECT

i think i need to concentrate my resources on getting the "all in one animated pussy" to work as advertised...either that or exterminate it.

hajicottonbutt · August 6, 2016

okay, i get that you are bombarded with instructions and admonitions to use breast and butt physics AND havoks objects. i get it. What i don't get is people ignoring suggestions not to use those redundant mods when TBBP handles it quite well.

Sexy animations (at least sequence 1 so far) works just fine, albeit looking less sexy that said gifs (most likely because i'm using a different bodyslide/showracemenu preset than the creator of sexy idle animations.

I just tested it with my current mod inventory (plus the deadly drain mod) just now.

As far as the squished boobs and butts? being a virulent hater of redundant outdated and obsolete mods i highly recommend removing them with alacrity.

I also think you should consider placing the "required" mods above those that require them (like say realistic ragdolls and physics above those mods that require it, etc et al)

Speaking of installation order, i have found 9 times out of 10 that my own person problems with animations going haywire on me (or just not working) is fiddling with my install order (left pane) does the trick, and everyone yapping about 'load order' (right pane) are barking up the wrong tree...most of the time (there are exceptions and that means using meta editing LOOT's preferred order)

Take for instance your silly breast and butt physics mod being below the skeleton (xpmse) which is probably 'virtually' overwriting the critical skeleton (or doing something equally screwy)

for the love of everything holy just disable it

i think i need to concentrate my resources on getting the "all in one animated pussy" to work as advertised...either that or exterminate it.

Lmao About that, I tried running the game without HDT Breast and butt physics mod but it would crash through the entire morning, Each time i tried to load any file it just wouldn't accept it no matter how many times I rebooted my computer x_x

Anyhow, Hmmm How'd the deadly drain mod react to your skyrim? Did it CTD after draining?

majorfreak · August 6, 2016

SCRIPT REMOVAL GUIDE

yeah, that mods pretty invasive. did you try to run a new game just for testing purposes? btw, you could try the save game cleaner.

TO DO LIST

deadly drain? haven't tried since i bumped into invisible sapphire and the grey face bug (sleep then work interrupted as well)

YOUR MOD LIST

btw, your CT77 (remodeled armor) mod is at the bottom of your load order...i'd place it above CBBE if you haven't spotted that error

hajicottonbutt · August 6, 2016

Yeah xD i fixed that already with Loot I just took the screen caps ASAP before getting off my computer so i could show you it since i had a decent internet connection and thank godness i still do!

Also that Save game cleaner isn't it the same one you told me to use to fix the Sexlab aroused glitch ?

majorfreak · August 6, 2016

possibly. there's only 2 save game cleaners in existence. that link is for the instructions from a reliable source.

ALL IN ONE ANIMATED PUSSY

FOR CBBE INSTALL

BTW, i found the error with my animated pussy. i was supposed to pick "clams of skyrim" instead of 'not install' (i assumed the default 'not install' was for cbbe...silly me)

hajicottonbutt · August 6, 2016

Ok so I decided to check out if my other character was glitched aswell , apparently.. She seems fine but her body is UNP, I just made her have a intercourse with a random female NPC and the other girls body seems.. alright with alright physics.. I'm going to check with Sofia since this save is practically at 0, just customized my character and that's it.

Sidenote: My Second character is a temptress.

Update: I'm standing infront of Sofia and her breasts and body is still glitched even though I'm in a brand new game. ghngnhg I'm running out of ideas ;O;

I'mma try by placing the old Female body nifs into the succubus folder and see if that makes anything..

I found out something; My Skyrim might not have the normal meshes for bodies and it only uses the Succubus body as a " default "

This guide

Speaks about " \Steam\steamapps\common\Skyrim\ Data\Meshes\actors\character\character assets "<this is the location of the normal non succubus character bodies. if you did thimgs right everyone but your succubus has the body you made with body slide.

i was Looking around in my Skyrim -> Data , but it doesn't have " Meshes " Tch.. I'm thinking of probably rebooting back to a backup- " vanilla " modded i saved up, grab the succubus body meshes folder and put it into where the " non succubus " should be and THEN make another for the Succubus form??

majorfreak · August 6, 2016

EXPERIMENTING WITH INSTALL ORDER 2

LEFT PANE MOD ORGANIZER

see my note (above) about experimenting with left pane order. it's super important when it comes to graphical glitches.

If you look at my left pane picture it'll show you i tend to place FNIS absolute last, and any random animation just after realistic ragdolls and before XPMSE, and any HDT related mod just after HDT physics extensions (actually, i should really move animated pussy below that instead of considering it an 'animation'...since it's probably more CBBE than animation...oh wow, it actually overwrites a shitload of mods in that area) and before remodeled armor which is before CBBE.

ouch, so yeah, definitely putting animated pussy just before my armor mods.

you see, if animated pussy screws up anything i know that i have to move it above something else...and i keep moving it upwards until my sex animations stop glitching (each time i have to rerun FNIS, although i doubt i have to rerun anything else)

errrrr...you DID run FNIS after removing breast and butt physics, right?

hajicottonbutt · August 6, 2016

Lmao, Have you managed to get animated HDT pussy to work yet? I'll get on it once i figure out how to fix this glitch if my idea doesn't work i'm going to accomodate my mods in a similar manner as yours regarding the load order.

on a side note; Yay me I somehow managed to become an " Advanced member " O,o

Oh and I edited some stuff on my previous post, Annddd yeah xD I always run FNIS no matter what.

majorfreak · August 6, 2016

VANILLA DATA FOLDERS

do yourself a favor and don't fiddle with anything in the skyrim\data folder. bad things will probably happen. you're running mod organizer which creates a 'virtual installation' that is separate from the vanilla version so that ...well, i'm sure if you bothered to listen to gamerpoets he explains the process of fooling steam much better than me.

TL;DR - all your mods are going to be in skyrim\mod organizer\mods\

hajicottonbutt · August 6, 2016

Alright alright u.u So, okay It worked I got back my Skyrim back to my nonbouncy asscheeks and everyone's body being alright.

Hnggg.. Now... I wonder why or what did i do wrong that made everyone's body fuck up so badly, I'll try redoing it again and adjusting the load order as yours. x0x

majorfreak · August 6, 2016

PROPER XPMSE FOMOD

for cbbe tbbp hdt with joy of perspective mod installed

Skeleton Rig Map = (HDT) i'm pretty sure if groovtama intended a differentiation between that and TBBP we'd have a choice for that instead of (BBP)
Character Creation Menus = SoS plugin
Style Randomizer = synchron
Default Animation Reset checked
Animation Choices = would love to see sample videos but another time (so none)
Extended Monster Skeletons = all checked
First Person Skeletons = Joy of perspective checked

YOUR MOD LIST

did you remember to install XPMSE with the joy of perspective checkbox ticked?
skyrim hair physics project has only 3 options, female hairstyles with physics only 5 options...whereas KS hairdos - hdt physics has ALOT (remember the gray face bug comes from, at least in my experience, a hair change mod. so best to keep it simple, stupid, if you start getting mismatched head color to body)
apachii hair stuff...non-HDT ...why would anyone want to do that when there's HDT? (again. K.I.S.S. when troubleshooting bugs)
What is "HDT" mod?
i didn't download the "HDT BBP Fix blah blah" for KS hairdos - HDT because it was BBP not TBBP so didn't bother...hmmm...i wonder if i should? hmmm

WRYE BASH

do you use wrye bash? again, gamepoet's video about creating a "merged patch" is a definite requirement for a smooth game.

No offense to GamerPoet, but the thought of trudging through miles of S.T.E.P. wiki installation instructions would send me on a long walk off a short pier.

PHOTOSHOP

btw, adobe systems has photoshop as a trial via their "creative cloud" desktop app. i use photoshop, mostly, to combine multiple screenshots into one large image.

I say this because i really need to see your version numbers on your mods (especially for MoreNastyCritters, jcontainers, and creatureframework) and it would be really nice to see just one image in the zip file.

open photoshop
drag the top image (that you previous cropped) into photoshop
select the 'image' menu, select 'canvas size'
set the 'anchor' at top middle, change the document height to ten times the size, hit 'ok'
then you can pretty much drag each following image (that you cropped of course) to fit under the previous
you can then save file as...select .jpg type and 'save' which will then give you another popup
choose the optimized and lower the quality to about 6
finish saving and add the single (very thin but tall image) to 7zip file (because uploading the image will make it too small to read)

SAFE GAME LOAD

I found out a new way to load a game that stubbornly insists on CTDing just before it finishes loading:

there's a way to ignore or bypass the [CTD], in the main menu open the console and write coc qasmoke, once it finishes loading the cell then open your menu and load the savefile you want, once you do this the save should never get the [CTD] if you keep loading it like that

MORE NASTY CRITTERS

okay, so you have 9.0 loaded which is not only outdated, but has options to install the old versions of jcontainers and creatureframework.

you need to download the proper file. ("MoreNastyCritters9_3_fomod.7z")

i don't choose to install the optional files for hentai/jcont/creatureframework via the FOMOD but get the mods directly from the mod author...who knows who will stop maintaining their mod first, right?

But, if you're the trusting sort, go ahead and allow MNC to handle jcontainers and creatureframework (i suggest not using hentai creatures...i just find it unimmersive; i don't do any 'testing' via matchmaker/fnis spells/hentai)

hajicottonbutt · August 6, 2016

FINALLLYYYY!!! After so many times of deleting changing order and nonstop rebooting my computer it's doneee! My succubus has a CBBE Bodyslide that reacts to CBBE Morphs and sofia and the others bodies aren't getting messed up!! HURRAY!!! Oh right forgot to mention; The succubus body color turned a little more ...paler than the face? but.. at this point I careless, considering I'm keeping my NPC's Physics, my bounciness and it's stable AND reacts to CBBE Morph through Racemenu.

im typing this as I have Skyrim open on my other PC and it's finally working correctly, I haven' updated MNC and Creature framework yet. I want to finish everything related to HDT.

I'm testing out the Havok HDT Object, it works just fine the breasts react to ... Well.. let's just say they're more sensitive lmao and they do react to your hands movements.

The next thing I have set in mind it's to get HDT Piercings or CBBE HDT Piercings Apparently the first option uses another body..?

From the little I've read around you need to make the body meshes with the preset body you choosed..

Next thing I want to check out It's the HDT Pussy and then I'll go for MNC, And.. I entirely agree Lmao Hentai creatures were quite unimmersive, BUT! it was easier to control the creatures, specially when you have a Hella Buff Sofia who 1 shots everything that stands in her way lmao

As a side note as I'm writing this message; there's small FPS drops, every... 1 minute-5 minutes?, but then again it might be due the ammount of things happening at once, I'm near the Temple of Kynareth and apparently it's a hangout point for many Followers( Oh to add up, I installed Meet your own characters -Familiar faces- to make my Fox meet my succubus and so on, anyway. It works alright just as a friendly tip if you do download it; Do not save your characters with HDT Hair or any ...uh.. Heavily animated extra, Like.. this since it will turn your character invisible on your other characters world. ) - Your characters will be interacting with everything @.@ And you can even have a twin of your main character.. Twin Whoreborn? I think yes! lmao.

PROPER XPMSE FOMOD

Skeleton Rig Map =Check
Character Creation Menus = SoS plugin : Check
Style Randomizer = I didn't click on this one but. Is it necessary? @.@
- 5 : I picked the animations from Pretty animations; it really makes certain animations smoother, some seem more realistic and some others have a small taste of.. " anime-battle " on them.
Extended Monster Skeletons = I didn't find this option @.@ Where is it?
First Person Skeletons = Checked

YOUR MOD LIST

Yesh
I tried using an apachi and a vanilla hair to recover my body's color according to my face but.. it didn't work. @.@
xD Don't worry I got rid of the HDT TBBP breasts and butts thingie.

WRYE BASH

Nope I haven't used it and TBH I don't know what it is @.@ I've been told to use USLEEP too but .. Since I've no idea and they seem very complex I stay away from them.

PHOTOSHOP

I would need to install Photoshop but, next time I'll make sure to get a clear shot of the versions and everything else.~ Want an update of my modlist?

SAFE GAME LOAD

coc qasmoke Huh? Sure thing I'll test it out next time i CTD, Odd thing... It seems to happen AFTER I close Skyrim or it CTD's by it self or freezes in a loading screen, once that happens, I'd try to open SKSE Loader once again and whenever I attempt to load any file it would instantly CTD miliseconds before or after it finishes loading. It seems to be " fixed " after Rebooting my computer entirely and runnng ModOrganizer-Skyrim once again.

As for MNC, I downloaded the 9.3 ver, i totally skipped it since the download mirror were a handful of nonsense scribbles so i thought it was jst useless files xD anyway I have them on my USB now. I'm eager to install them and test them out but, Duty of the bounciness is my priority! x'D!!

So close to finally getting Skyrim as it was meant to be! Bwhahah

Thanks a lot for all the help you've provided me

Argh now that I think about it, I can't hurray contenty yet, I have yet to fix

SexArousal
Make Deadlydrain + BodySlide
Find out how to instal/Mesh/Match(?) Clothes and items to the CBBE BodySlide body.

I've seen in many awesome armors and for instance the HDT Piercings that you need to match the mesh of the body to your armor(Like this guy's armors) or piercing ..? I'm entirely lost as to how to do this. x.x

majorfreak · August 6, 2016

HDT Breast And Butt Physics

AND WHY IT SUCKS

"More sensitive"? in what way are the breasts reacting to hands with the object versus the way it reacts without? (i know my idle animation isn't looking picture perfect but i'm not assuming anything yet)

ARGH GF AGGRO AFK

hajicottonbutt · August 6, 2016

Errr, yeah xD more sensitive, I mean I guess it's a small sacrifice to run but your characters breasts will react exactly to how the picture I attached to, BUT..!! Here comes the consequence, everything good in life has a negative side haha.

Uh.. So I was running around and hopped around like a bunny with very..very..floppy breasts well more like very colliding breasts.

Nevermind; update. If you jump around naked the bounciness seems realistic, Just some clothes ( for instance ) seem to have more aggreviated excessive bounciness,

Update regarding Familiar faces: What the hell? one of my characters hair turned the same color as mines, uh.. I mean my main characters ( Britney) from blue went to orange and her entire body changed O,o... gray face, uncolored body..? Annnd as I type this my entire game crashed bodie's textures for sofia and my own characters glitched into black... Hmmmm... Perhaps MYC is indeed glitchy or should be used with only few characters in a small cell, like .. For some " scenes " and not meant to be used fluently.. ?

Update: It seems to be a memory thing.. ? I just rebooted my computer and the two characters( The fox and my Succubus clone) bodies were alright. sooo.. I guess it's related to hardware rather than programation

Anddd, yup. It's in the inventory lol But it does make your breasts and ass react to your hands and so!

majorfreak · August 6, 2016

hmph. i just don't like the unimmersive sight of something in my inventory...i'm assuming you have it in inventory

give me a bit...i'll edit in a reply to your large post

majorfreak · August 7, 2016

FINALLLYYYY!!! After so many times of deleting changing order and nonstop rebooting my computer it's doneee! My succubus has a CBBE Bodyslide that reacts to CBBE Morphs and sofia and the others bodies aren't getting messed up!! HURRAY!!! Oh right forgot to mention; The succubus body color turned a little more ...paler than the face? but.. at this point I careless, considering I'm keeping my NPC's Physics, my bounciness and it's stable AND reacts to CBBE Morph through Racemenu.

im typing this as I have Skyrim open on my other PC and it's finally working correctly, I haven' updated MNC and Creature framework yet. I want to finish everything related to HDT.

I'm testing out the Havok HDT Object, it works just fine the breasts react to ... Well.. let's just say they're more sensitive lmao and they do react to your hands movements.

The next thing I have set in mind it's to get HDT Piercings or CBBE HDT Piercings Apparently the first option uses another body..?

From the little I've read around you need to make the body meshes with the preset body you choosed..

Next thing I want to check out It's the HDT Pussy and then I'll go for MNC, And.. I entirely agree Lmao Hentai creatures were quite unimmersive, BUT! it was easier to control the creatures, specially when you have a Hella Buff Sofia who 1 shots everything that stands in her way lmao

As a side note as I'm writing this message; there's small FPS drops, every... 1 minute-5 minutes?, but then again it might be due the ammount of things happening at once, I'm near the Temple of Kynareth and apparently it's a hangout point for many Followers( Oh to add up, I installed Meet your own characters -Familiar faces- to make my Fox meet my succubus and so on, anyway. It works alright just as a friendly tip if you do download it; Do not save your characters with HDT Hair or any ...uh.. Heavily animated extra, Like.. this since it will turn your character invisible on your other characters world. ) - Your characters will be interacting with everything @.@ And you can even have a twin of your main character.. Twin Whoreborn? I think yes! lmao.

PROPER XPMSE FOMOD

Skeleton Rig Map =Check

Character Creation Menus = SoS plugin : Check

Style Randomizer = I didn't click on this one but. Is it necessary? @.@

- 5 : I picked the animations from Pretty animations; it really makes certain animations smoother, some seem more realistic and some others have a small taste of.. " anime-battle " on them.

Extended Monster Skeletons = I didn't find this option @.@ Where is it?

First Person Skeletons = Checked

YOUR MOD LIST

Yesh

I tried using an apachi and a vanilla hair to recover my body's color according to my face but.. it didn't work. @.@

xD Don't worry I got rid of the HDT TBBP breasts and butts thingie.

WRYE BASH

Nope I haven't used it and TBH I don't know what it is @.@ I've been told to use USLEEP too but .. Since I've no idea and they seem very complex I stay away from them.

PHOTOSHOP

I would need to install Photoshop but, next time I'll make sure to get a clear shot of the versions and everything else.~ Want an update of my modlist?

SAFE GAME LOAD

coc qasmoke Huh? Sure thing I'll test it out next time i CTD, Odd thing... It seems to happen AFTER I close Skyrim or it CTD's by it self or freezes in a loading screen, once that happens, I'd try to open SKSE Loader once again and whenever I attempt to load any file it would instantly CTD miliseconds before or after it finishes loading. It seems to be " fixed " after Rebooting my computer entirely and runnng ModOrganizer-Skyrim once again.

As for MNC, I downloaded the 9.3 ver, i totally skipped it since the download mirror were a handful of nonsense scribbles so i thought it was jst useless files xD anyway I have them on my USB now. I'm eager to install them and test them out but, Duty of the bounciness is my priority! x'D!!

So close to finally getting Skyrim as it was meant to be! Bwhahah Thanks a lot for all the help you've provided me

Argh now that I think about it, I can't hurray contenty yet, I have yet to fix

SexArousal

Make Deadlydrain + BodySlide

Find out how to instal/Mesh/Match(?) Clothes and items to the CBBE BodySlide body.

I've seen in many awesome armors and for instance the HDT Piercings that you need to match the mesh of the body to your armor(Like this guy's armors) or piercing ..? I'm entirely lost as to how to do this. x.x

GRAY FACE BUG

"The succubus body color turned a little more ...paler than the face?"

hair...i found it was hair. lol. The creator of the npc hair replacer swore it was facetint stuff but even his lite version without that folder caused my problems. hopefully his answer (if any; don't hold your breath) will be informative.

HDT PIERCINGS

"Apparently the first option uses another body..?"

As spoken of in that first mod's support thread it's no longer supported and a new version is here: CBBE HDT piercing sets (which is the second link you provide so i'm confused)

PROPER XPMSE FOMOD 2

"Extended Monster Skeletons = I didn't find this option @.@ Where is it?"

It's selected by default so don't worry about that particular page. i was just being thorough.

YOUR MOD LIST 2

"I tried using BLAH BLAH but.. it didn't work. @.@"

I meant to actually disable the two small mods and keep the latest and biggest (lose 8 hairs keep 75) which will hopefully fix your gray face bug...it's a hair replacer of some sort that causing the issue (at least in my experience)

WRYE BASH 2

"Since I've no idea and they seem very complex I stay away from them."

ERMAGURD WER MAH PERTCHES? I was like you once, but then i took an arrow to the knee. I actually thought all that crap was painful and overly complicated and probably completely minor corrections i could ignore. You're right. last year i sailed through without a care in the world wondering what all the "unofficial" bullshit was all about and really not caring.

You have the latest "unofficial" patch which is USLEEP. hahaha...we fooled you. you have it installed and activated. mwhahahaha mwhahhaa

In all seriousness you absolutely need to learn how to make a bashed patch. no excuses. it's soooo freaking helpful (wryebash) in pointing out huge potential problems and actually does a pretty good job fixing issues that might come up. potentially. the process is pretty simple for a merged patch.

install wrye bash
open the data tab in right pane
'manage' your executables menu to add wryebash to MO
run wrye bash directly after running LOOT
right click "bashed patch.esp" and choose 'rebuild...'
follow gamerpoets instructions on his video...he can lead you through the rest

TES5Edit and the cleaning of the vanilla master files is kind of half the battle...i mean, why bother with unofficial patches if you're not going to learn how to clean the originals??? Gamerpoets again steps in with dulcet tones.

PHOTOSHOP

"Want an update of my modlist?"

not until you install (it's really painless, promise) photoshop. neener neener neener

SAFE GAME LOAD

" coc qasmoke Huh?"

perfect! you fit exactly the scenario that fix was meant for. enjoy being able to load a stubborn save game.

TO DO LIST

test out the deadly succubus slide you go on about ad nauseum
see if every single female npc does the sexy idle and if so i'm going PCEA2 instead. pretty sure sexy move doesn't include children...at least the current iteration doesn't (i think i had to remove it last year because it was doing so)
test out the all in one pussy stuff (and figure out if i need to activate this hdt havok object.esp in my load order)
test simple drop torches to try and avoid torches during sex animations
test the prison overhaul system i installed
test the death alternative - captured quests i installed
test whether left hand rings modified slot positions conflict with piercings slots
manually switch high heels in armor mods over to NiOverride High Heels system and eventually disable the very CPU hungry HDT high heels system
play around with petcollar
install and test out the new mod called "SLUT"

hajicottonbutt · August 7, 2016

I've been playing for a while to test out how does my game behave with MYC + HDT Havok, and while doing missions i found my self having to wear.. " Party clothes / Party shoes " they're the same as Fine clothes Fine shoes, and.. My toes just became completely invisible, and.. the cloth mesh seems to have some..black chunks stuck on it? weird.. It seems Maven glitch is happening but this time on my body.. Weird.

majorfreak · August 7, 2016

Diplomatic Immunity

MAVEN nTH

At least we're getting somewhere...hopefully closer to a solution. it's a common thing when switching from high resolution armor/clothing mod set to another (especially vanilla; especially an uncleaned module modified by USLEEP like you have set up) to see black skin - i'm assuming the black chunks is black skin clipping through the vanilla party dress. *shrug* or something similar in nature i'm sure.

That the two effects (black skin+invisible feet) are happening simultaneously is reassuring at least.

extrapolating from this thread, i'll hypothesize that "the slots in the actual nif [don't] match the ones in the .esp" and also, since i'm on a roll, why don't you try sorting through your right pane data tab's "show only conflicts" folders and go looking for meshes. you'll start to see alot of conflicts between mods. that'll give you some more ideas. I myself don't have the party dress and shoes showing as a conflict but you might.

EDIT: this thread talks about how it's definitely the mesh's fault

majorfreak · August 7, 2016

now that i tihnk about it, when i installed groovatama skeleton i installed it as something else than CBBE TBBP .. Perhaps that's why? Bodyslider was fixated at CBBE TBBP Curvy. .. Hmm.. Also .. Wtf My sofia's hands are huge o_o

Here's a recent quote by Deathstalker in the HDT physics forum:

"reinstall XPMSE thats a skeleton problem"

majorfreak · August 7, 2016

STARTING NEW GAME

btw, there's one last bit of routine i do religiously everytime i prepare to start a new game: i always - and i mean ALWAYS - delete the folder containing the files that appear out of nowhere when you start a new game from scratch.

"Meshes/~AnimationDataSingleFile.txt"

"SKSE/Plugins/...

campfire data folder
wearablelanternsdata folder
sexlab folder (the one that has AnimationProfile_1.json)
fuz ro d'oh.ini
hdthighheelench.dat
hdthighheelnative.log
hdtphysicsextensions.log
hdtskyrimmempatch.log

and anything else in that mod you created to store this kind of random overwrite file appearances.

for when you start the game after doing so you will see these files recreated in overwrite file in mod organizer...i have noticed that i will CTD regularly if i screw with my left pane and i don't force delete these files.

CURRENT PROJECT

i completed a partial test of deadly drain+defeat* and found that the latter's "general scene interrupt" settings for both "hit" and "combat" conflict with any drain attempt: turning the bandits hostile (even if i'd left unchecked 'drain is crime' by default)

That's a huge dealbreaker for me. You see, if one disables the hit/combat check boxes, any sex animations continue even if third party combat starts damaging any sex victim/aggressor...it's very immersion breaking.

I'll try again with those settings disabled and see what happens with draining...if successful and the bandits (3 of them) don't go berserk with nonlethal drain (and lethal drain) i'll test again in succubus race (and then in succubus form; aggression disabled)

Welp, it was successful for the first part, but being a succubus really put a damper on 'surrender' function.

I guess, tomorrow, i'll have to try the prostitution end of things and see how that works out for the succubus race...i did notice i wasn't getting breast collision via the succubus body (was i even getting bouncy? dunno. will have to verify)...i might not have remembered to put the correct bodyslide nifs into the correct folder.

*-death alternative (+captures plugin) is integral to my Defeat mod setup.

hajicottonbutt · August 8, 2016

Finally Back! lmao I can reply, okay so give me a minute until i reply to this XD

FINALLLYYYY!!! After so many times of deleting changing order and nonstop rebooting my computer it's doneee! My succubus has a CBBE Bodyslide that reacts to CBBE Morphs and sofia and the others bodies aren't getting messed up!! HURRAY!!! Oh right forgot to mention; The succubus body color turned a little more ...paler than the face? but.. at this point I careless, considering I'm keeping my NPC's Physics, my bounciness and it's stable AND reacts to CBBE Morph through Racemenu.

im typing this as I have Skyrim open on my other PC and it's finally working correctly, I haven' updated MNC and Creature framework yet. I want to finish everything related to HDT.

I'm testing out the Havok HDT Object, it works just fine the breasts react to ... Well.. let's just say they're more sensitive lmao and they do react to your hands movements.

The next thing I have set in mind it's to get HDT Piercings or CBBE HDT Piercings Apparently the first option uses another body..?

From the little I've read around you need to make the body meshes with the preset body you choosed..

Next thing I want to check out It's the HDT Pussy and then I'll go for MNC, And.. I entirely agree Lmao Hentai creatures were quite unimmersive, BUT! it was easier to control the creatures, specially when you have a Hella Buff Sofia who 1 shots everything that stands in her way lmao

As a side note as I'm writing this message; there's small FPS drops, every... 1 minute-5 minutes?, but then again it might be due the ammount of things happening at once, I'm near the Temple of Kynareth and apparently it's a hangout point for many Followers( Oh to add up, I installed Meet your own characters -Familiar faces- to make my Fox meet my succubus and so on, anyway. It works alright just as a friendly tip if you do download it; Do not save your characters with HDT Hair or any ...uh.. Heavily animated extra, Like.. this since it will turn your character invisible on your other characters world. ) - Your characters will be interacting with everything @.@ And you can even have a twin of your main character.. Twin Whoreborn? I think yes! lmao.

PROPER XPMSE FOMOD

Skeleton Rig Map =Check

Character Creation Menus = SoS plugin : Check

Style Randomizer = I didn't click on this one but. Is it necessary? @.@

- 5 : I picked the animations from Pretty animations; it really makes certain animations smoother, some seem more realistic and some others have a small taste of.. " anime-battle " on them.

Extended Monster Skeletons = I didn't find this option @.@ Where is it?

First Person Skeletons = Checked

YOUR MOD LIST

Yesh

I tried using an apachi and a vanilla hair to recover my body's color according to my face but.. it didn't work. @.@

xD Don't worry I got rid of the HDT TBBP breasts and butts thingie.

WRYE BASH

Nope I haven't used it and TBH I don't know what it is @.@ I've been told to use USLEEP too but .. Since I've no idea and they seem very complex I stay away from them.

PHOTOSHOP

I would need to install Photoshop but, next time I'll make sure to get a clear shot of the versions and everything else.~ Want an update of my modlist?

SAFE GAME LOAD

coc qasmoke Huh? Sure thing I'll test it out next time i CTD, Odd thing... It seems to happen AFTER I close Skyrim or it CTD's by it self or freezes in a loading screen, once that happens, I'd try to open SKSE Loader once again and whenever I attempt to load any file it would instantly CTD miliseconds before or after it finishes loading. It seems to be " fixed " after Rebooting my computer entirely and runnng ModOrganizer-Skyrim once again.

As for MNC, I downloaded the 9.3 ver, i totally skipped it since the download mirror were a handful of nonsense scribbles so i thought it was jst useless files xD anyway I have them on my USB now. I'm eager to install them and test them out but, Duty of the bounciness is my priority! x'D!!

So close to finally getting Skyrim as it was meant to be! Bwhahah Thanks a lot for all the help you've provided me

Argh now that I think about it, I can't hurray contenty yet, I have yet to fix

SexArousal

Make Deadlydrain + BodySlide

Find out how to instal/Mesh/Match(?) Clothes and items to the CBBE BodySlide body.

I've seen in many awesome armors and for instance the HDT Piercings that you need to match the mesh of the body to your armor(Like this guy's armors) or piercing ..? I'm entirely lost as to how to do this. x.x

GRAY FACE BUG

"The succubus body color turned a little more ...paler than the face?"
hair...i found it was hair. lol. The creator of the npc hair replacer swore it was facetint stuff but even his lite version without that folder caused my problems. hopefully his answer (if any; don't hold your breath) will be informative.

HDT PIERCINGS

"Apparently the first option uses another body..?"

As spoken of in that first mod's support thread it's no longer supported and a new version is here: CBBE HDT piercing sets (which is the second link you provide so i'm confused)

PROPER XPMSE FOMOD 2

"Extended Monster Skeletons = I didn't find this option @.@ Where is it?"

It's selected by default so don't worry about that particular page. i was just being thorough.

YOUR MOD LIST 2

"I tried using BLAH BLAH but.. it didn't work. @.@"

I meant to actually disable the two small mods and keep the latest and biggest (lose 8 hairs keep 75) which will hopefully fix your gray face bug...it's a hair replacer of some sort that causing the issue (at least in my experience)

WRYE BASH 2

"Since I've no idea and they seem very complex I stay away from them."

ERMAGURD WER MAH PERTCHES? I was like you once, but then i took an arrow to the knee. I actually thought all that crap was painful and overly complicated and probably completely minor corrections i could ignore. You're right. last year i sailed through without a care in the world wondering what all the "unofficial" bullshit was all about and really not caring.

You have the latest "unofficial" patch which is USLEEP. hahaha...we fooled you. you have it installed and activated. mwhahahaha mwhahhaa

In all seriousness you absolutely need to learn how to make a bashed patch. no excuses. it's soooo freaking helpful (wryebash) in pointing out huge potential problems and actually does a pretty good job fixing issues that might come up. potentially. the process is pretty simple for a merged patch.

install wrye bash

open the data tab in right pane

'manage' your executables menu to add wryebash to MO

run wrye bash directly after running LOOT

right click "bashed patch.esp" and choose 'rebuild...'

follow gamerpoets instructions on his video...he can lead you through the rest

TES5Edit and the cleaning of the vanilla master files is kind of half the battle...i mean, why bother with unofficial patches if you're not going to learn how to clean the originals??? Gamerpoets again steps in with dulcet tones.

PHOTOSHOP

"Want an update of my modlist?"

not until you install (it's really painless, promise) photoshop. neener neener neener

SAFE GAME LOAD

" coc qasmoke Huh?"

perfect! you fit exactly the scenario that fix was meant for. enjoy being able to load a stubborn save game.

TO DO LIST

test out the deadly succubus slide you go on about ad nauseum

see if every single female npc does the sexy idle and if so i'm going PCEA2 instead. pretty sure sexy move doesn't include children...at least the current iteration doesn't (i think i had to remove it last year because it was doing so)

test out the all in one pussy stuff (and figure out if i need to activate this hdt havok object.esp in my load order)

test simple drop torches to try and avoid torches during sex animations

test the prison overhaul system i installed

test the death alternative - captured quests i installed

test whether left hand rings modified slot positions conflict with piercings slots

manually switch high heels in armor mods over to NiOverride High Heels system and eventually disable the very CPU hungry HDT high heels system

play around with petcollar

install and test out the new mod called "SLUT"

GRAY FACE BUG

I tried changing her hair just right now to one vanilla and her body was still of a different color @.@

HDT Piercings

I installed the ones on the second link, but apparently i have to make the Mesh for the body? I'm still unsure on how to mold the Piercing/Clothes to my custom Succubus body @.@

YOUR MOD LIST 2

Lmao Which mod? sorry xD i'm kinda lost right now , omg so many messages!! @@ I feel special x'D

WRYE BASH 2

Promise it's easy to use and it won't break my game like TE5EDIT does ? ;-;

SAFE GAME LOAD

I've tested it a couple of times today it always works but it has some conflicts with MYC, dunno how or why but it just does delete your characters from the shrine of heroes

Diplomatic Immunity

MAVEN nTH

At least we're getting somewhere...hopefully closer to a solution. it's a common thing when switching from high resolution armor/clothing mod set to another (especially vanilla; especially an uncleaned module modified by USLEEP like you have set up) to see black skin - i'm assuming the black chunks is black skin clipping through the vanilla party dress. *shrug* or something similar in nature i'm sure.

That the two effects (black skin+invisible feet) are happening simultaneously is reassuring at least.

extrapolating from this thread, i'll hypothesize that "the slots in the actual nif [don't] match the ones in the .esp" and also, since i'm on a roll, why don't you try sorting through your right pane data tab's "show only conflicts" folders and go looking for meshes. you'll start to see alot of conflicts between mods. that'll give you some more ideas. I myself don't have the party dress and shoes showing as a conflict but you might.

EDIT: this thread talks about how it's definitely the mesh's fault

I didn't check it but I might aswell do, I can recall so many conflicts from the top of my mind but uh, .. I have 0 idea on how to fix them, annddd yess it looked just ike a small chunks of darkness clipping through the CBBE I love Cleavage vanilla cloth. Perhaps because the body is CBBE Bodyslider enhanced and the clothes are CBBE HDT not Bodyslide enhanced since the ones from the actual rework for Bodyslide seem to work just fine

now that i tihnk about it, when i installed groovatama skeleton i installed it as something else than CBBE TBBP .. Perhaps that's why? Bodyslider was fixated at CBBE TBBP Curvy. .. Hmm.. Also .. Wtf My sofia's hands are huge o_o

Here's a recent quote by Deathstalker in the HDT physics forum:

"reinstall XPMSE thats a skeleton problem"

Don't worry My cowie is much better now She's all good and Mooing as per usual. ^^

STARTING NEW GAME

btw, there's one last bit of routine i do religiously everytime i prepare to start a new game: i always - and i mean ALWAYS - delete the folder containing the files that appear out of nowhere when you start a new game from scratch.

"Meshes/~AnimationDataSingleFile.txt"

"SKSE/Plugins/...

campfire data folder

wearablelanternsdata folder

sexlab folder (the one that has AnimationProfile_1.json)

fuz ro d'oh.ini

hdthighheelench.dat

hdthighheelnative.log

hdtphysicsextensions.log

hdtskyrimmempatch.log

and anything else in that mod you created to store this kind of random overwrite file appearances.

for when you start the game after doing so you will see these files recreated in overwrite file in mod organizer...i have noticed that i will CTD regularly if i screw with my left pane and i don't force delete these files.

CURRENT PROJECT

i completed a partial test of deadly drain+defeat* and found that the latter's "general scene interrupt" settings for both "hit" and "combat" conflict with any drain attempt: turning the bandits hostile (even if i'd left unchecked 'drain is crime' by default)

That's a huge dealbreaker for me. You see, if one disables the hit/combat check boxes, any sex animations continue even if third party combat starts damaging any sex victim/aggressor...it's very immersion breaking.

I'll try again with those settings disabled and see what happens with draining...if successful and the bandits (3 of them) don't go berserk with nonlethal drain (and lethal drain) i'll test again in succubus race (and then in succubus form; aggression disabled)

Welp, it was successful for the first part, but being a succubus really put a damper on 'surrender' function.

I guess, tomorrow, i'll have to try the prostitution end of things and see how that works out for the succubus race...i did notice i wasn't getting breast collision via the succubus body (was i even getting bouncy? dunno. will have to verify)...i might not have remembered to put the correct bodyslide nifs into the correct folder.

*-death alternative (+captures plugin) is integral to my Defeat mod setup.

STARTING NEW GAME

You delete those files? I would usually yank them into the FNIS Patch so they can stop annoying me since they come up every time the game opens, putting them into the patch stops them from appearing so ye

CURRENT PROJECT

So They worked?

!!?!? How did you make Deadly drain work with Succubus body!? Also did your succubus body taint another color than your face? It's not really THAT bothering but it's... kinda a thing when you're zoomed in fixing your characters clothes or face lol.

As for the collision; i've seen a GREAT improve with HDT Havok object, Any luck trying on the HDT Piercings?

As I was typing this I noticed something... My character feet sink a little bit into the floor even with heels? and without heels sometimes her feet are completely sunken into the floor.. perhaps it's the ground i'm standing at ..?

Oh right I figured it was time to check out if MNC would work correctly this time; it asked me to install CreatureFramework

Which i did. Creature Framework 1.1.0-pre2 and then installed MNC

For my surprise i get this message whenever I open a save:

" Creature Framework API reference not found. Maybe CreatureFramework is not installed correctly? Do a clean save and retry "

majorfreak · August 9, 2016

GRAY FACE BUG

But, her face was gray-ish, amirite? or are you saying your body is darker than the head now?

HDT Piercings

haha...ur on your own there, buddy.

YOUR MOD LIST

skyrim hair physics project & female hairstyles with physics

WRYE BASH

well, honestly, you probably won't get much benefit with the mods you have through bashed patches. Gamerpoet installation instructions

SAFE GAME LOAD

The console command conflicts? wow. shitty dude. well, starting a new game via alternative start i suppose isn't that much more of a chore

Diplomatic Immunity

strange. i thought you'd disabled cleavage mod...maybe i was blind the last time i looked at your mod list

Cowie

was needing you to confirm whether or not reinstalling the skeleton fixed the problem.

STARTING NEW GAME

Well, i suggest you right click overwrite file and choose 'create mod' and name it something "groundhog day" or "miscellaneous" or whatever so you can wipe your 'temp' files the game pukes out just in case said files make your game poop the bed if you screw around too much with modding...maybe that's why you ended up with 3 fnis files that one time?

CURRENT PROJECT

dunno...still haven't tested deadly succubus slide during consensual sex as a prostitute. (i'll keep an eye out for any weirdness)

BULLSHIT HAVOK

So not interested in dicking around with ugly objects in inventory.so so not. And i figure HDT piercings are waaaaay too much trouble for what they're worth...if i get annoyed with devious devices not being HDT maybe i'll look into it.

HIGH HEELS

Oh, let's not go there...the HDT high heels system has many shortcomings...i think that's something everyone has come to accept and ignore...there are alternatives but it takes way too much effort (lots of TES5Edit niggly shit)

MORE NASTY CREATURES

The reason for the "creature framework API reference not found" message could be a missing SexLab Aroused / SexLab Aroused Redux. While the creature framework download section clearly states that SexLab Aroused is not mandatory you won't get the creature framework mcm menu without a SexLab Aroused installation. Had the same problem myself and it can easily be reproduced. Add SexLab Aroused and start a new game - no missing API. Keep SexLab Aroused out of your load order -> missing API and no mcm menu.

~Moopheus

also, check that your download file for sexlab is 68.4MB. "SexLabFramework_v162_FULL.7z"

As for a little more explanation from Dentarr (mod author)

This mod has 3 main parts:

Morenastycritters.esp wich ADDS the new animations to SL and makes them available to ALL mods you might use just like if they were part of SL all along

SexlabNudecreatures(DG,DB).esp which switches nude and non-nude creature models. So critters only have their stuff out during SL animations.

Hentai Creatures which provide a means to summon all the critters and trigger the animations (tell the critter to "train")

Those three were always part of this. Morenastycritters.esp obviously and Nude Creatures and Hentai Creatures because I modified them heavyly.

Now there are 2 more parts:

Creature Features (from Leito86) and Beastiality Extras (from Gone). I didnt change anything in those, they are just added so you dont have to download/install them in extra steps and Gone and Leito are okay with it.

As stated above they add nude models of creatures.

Well then there are some creature models that I did create myself and various other stuff..

Things you have to remember:

In a new install creature animations are turned off in SL. Turn them ON!

Check menu settings if they are what you want. Toggle the animations in SL creature toggle that you want to use!

In Hentai Creatures "allow player" is DISABLED by default. Enable it if you want to have animations with your character!

Talk to the summoned critter and "train" to trigger animations!

You get the spells either at Riverwood Trader or you can cheat them in by enabling "dump spells" in the menu of Hentai Creatures.

====

I havent found any good solution to support 3 or more actor animations in Hentai Creatures. Its a limitation of the mod.

I dont have any idea how to get that done.

Until there is a solution for it I suggest you use Matchmaker. You can summon the creatures you need with Hentai Creatures and then initiate the gangbang stuff with Matchmaker.

====

Assuming you did everything correctly you might want to check your loadorder:

Morenastycritters.esp

Nudecreatures.esp

NudecreaturesDG.esp

NudecreaturesDB.esp

Hentaicreatures.esp

it is IMPORTANT that Hentaicreatures is last and Nudecreatures.esp is before the other NC esps.....

I do creature modeling. Some of the nude critters are done by me. Actually that was the sole reason I started modifying Lordescobars Nude Creatures. Just to add my stuff.

I dont do animations. Never learned how and I simply dont have the time to do any more. People dont realise how much time goes into creating these mods....

~dentarr

hajicottonbutt · August 10, 2016

GRAY FACE BUG

Errr no, uhmm the skin tone it's still tan but like.. It looks just.. a little more whiteish than the face, just subtly kinda

HDT Piercings

ToT!!! Alright Alright, wish me luck ;w; I'll make a back up of my Skyrim before I mess up something and kill my skyrim XD

YOUR MOD LIST

I've been thinking of getting rid of the HDT hair but,...Hnggg It just feels so much better with the animated hair, lmao.

WRYE BASH

I mean if it has any benefit at least even if it's a 5% i'll still be willing to learn and use it xD

SAFE GAME LOAD

Yeh coc qasmoke causes Meet your characters(Familiar faces) glitch and erases your character from the shrine, but.. meh. At least it's better than rebooting my computer everytime i have a CTD

Diplomatic Immunity

Oh I did, before. Until I noticed Remodeled Armor for CBBE Bodyslide TBBP HDT was compatible with I Love cleavage CBBE, i get to keep both Slutty attires, all you've to do is take your " Vanilla " -clothes from I love cleavage- into the rack and craft them into the remodeled version which is compatible with CBBE Bodyslide !

Cowie

I honestly don't know what fixed it since I reinstalled the skeleton and it was still glitching, I however pulled the skeleton + Realistic Ragdolls all the way down on the left panel, only thing ontop of them it's the FNIS Patch , since then her body stopped messing up

STARTING NEW GAME

That's actually a nice idea since I plan on installing some more mods that mess around with FNIS so when I do that I might have to delete the old patch and put the new one and then the scrappy codes that the game pukes from time to time may come back up again anddd yeaaa it will become in an never ending cycle soooyeah.

CURRENT PROJECT

You make me want to make a new character everytime you talk about the prostitute character. xD , So Deadly drain works with Bodyslide, yeh?

!? <3 Did you use DDEdit?

BULLSHIT HAVOK

You'd probably hate watching my inventory .. xD It's full of stuff

HIGH HEELS

I found out what was the issue; So okay, I installed an immersive mod uh .. "Immersive beds " it practically makes your character get naked or sleep clothed or similar, anyway. The heel glitch happens whenever you go to sleep and the game puts on your previous clothes automatically, thing is. I never noticed the glitch since I never had the interest of actually going to sleep, UNTIL few days ago I went to sleep to trigger Dark brotherhood's quest. SOOO!! the way to fix this( if you end up downloading or having a similar glitch) , just take off your characters current's heels, put on ANOTHER heels. and then the ones you had on, that always does the trick on me.

MORE NASTY CREATURES

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The reason for the "creature framework API reference not found" message could be a missing SexLab Aroused / SexLab Aroused Redux. While the creature framework download section clearly states that SexLab Aroused is not mandatory you won't get the creature framework mcm menu without a SexLab Aroused installation. Had the same problem myself and it can easily be reproduced. Add SexLab Aroused and start a new game - no missing API. Keep SexLab Aroused out of your load order -> missing API and no mcm menu.

~Moopheus

I'm running SexLAbFramework v162 FULL ,so i think It might be up to date, as for missing Sex lab aroused.. Heheheheheeh....yeah I still haven't installed it yet... T_T I'm kinda afraid of watching that nonsense of continous " Sexlab is installed " Hnggg, I should stop procastinating and install it with this Succubus Quest mod

Ah right, Forgot to ask you.. Do you know of any good mod to have my NPC's or Followers immersively have intercourses? Like, I want to walk into my house and find Lydia and my cow making out steamily hahaha. It feels a little,... Not too real to be the only one that can have funsies. obviously, a mod that doesn't gets silly like walking into a boss battle and finding the boss pounding a draugr or something like that,...That would just crack me up into giggles.

majorfreak · August 10, 2016

Ah right, Forgot to ask you.. Do you know of any good mod to have my NPC's or Followers immersively have intercourses? Like, I want to walk into my house and find Lydia and my cow making out steamily hahaha. It feels a little,... Not too real to be the only one that can have funsies. obviously, a mod that doesn't gets silly like walking into a boss battle and finding the boss pounding a draugr or something like that,...That would just crack me up into giggles.

no clue. might have to do some serious digging. BTW, i don't need the hdt piercings mod because devious devices does that for me...probably the only sort of piercing i'd be interested in really. not much into jewelry

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