Darkening Demise Posted February 20, 2016 Posted February 20, 2016 I can't afford much, no clue on building them, might as well settle with getting a whole tower. But would like assistance in finding a good system for a good price. http://www.bestbuy.com/site/ibuypower-desktop-intel-core-i7-8gb-memory-1tb-hard-drive-white/4585900.p?id=1219773226138&skuId=4585900# I'd like to be able to play Fallout 4, right now it runs pretty (shockingly) OK-ish. On the lowest of settings on my current system. Currently I can no longer play Skyrim due to lack of VRAM, as foilage dissaprears, bodies go missing, textures turn black, armor goes pinkish white, and the game randomly closes out of no where. This is due to all the high texture mods installed I know it. Never was an issue before I used them. But is this model good enough or do I need to look for another? ---------------------------- My current specs HP Pavillon Series Model No. p7-1254 AMD Quad Core A6-3520 Accelerated Processor 8GB DDR3 system memory AMD Radeon HD 6530D integrated graphics 1 terabyte hard drive Windows 10 64-bit (freely upgraded from Windows 7 64-bit)
Anbeegod Posted February 20, 2016 Posted February 20, 2016 Use NVIDIA card =>950, works much better than AMD cards in Fallout 4, and pretty much every game.
Guest Posted February 20, 2016 Posted February 20, 2016 The PC in your link (BestBuy) can run FO4 at max settings. Your current PC needs a graphic card. You want to go cheap buy a GTX 960, if you want a little bit more (depending on your budget) go for a 970. Or check if NewEggs as some "Refurbished" 980, you may get one for very little money.
Slammer64 Posted February 20, 2016 Posted February 20, 2016 Refurbished or sometimes Openbox can make a substantial difference in price.
Darkening Demise Posted February 20, 2016 Author Posted February 20, 2016 My current PC is held back by 300 watt power supply also, so reading about some of these cards makes me worried it won't run well due to this limitation.
Guest Posted February 20, 2016 Posted February 20, 2016 A GTX 960 can go with little power. But probably it will be better to spend 50 $ to a more powerful power supply.
Darkening Demise Posted February 21, 2016 Author Posted February 21, 2016 Wouldn't my parts have issues though? Like old motherboard or something, idk. I don't think I could really take my current PC apart to put in new pieces either. That's why I was looking into just buying a whole new and improved one, then just put my old hard drive into it.
Guest Posted February 21, 2016 Posted February 21, 2016 The one you posted in your first link is not bad at all. What is your budget? And in which country do you live? I will give a look, and check what can be a good option for you.
gt5000 Posted February 21, 2016 Posted February 21, 2016 the TDP on the processor(pretty sure its a6-3620 not a6-3520) is 65w. Motherboard+RAM+HDD+Other is usually ~30-50w. 300w PSU should be plenty assuming 75% efficiency on the PSU, theres enough room for something with ~90-100w TDP GPU. 960 MIGHT be okay to run with a 300 W PSU, 950 might also be okay. If you are looking to spend at least 1k on a brand new computer then I would suggest you do some of your own research on parts. Theres alot of good resources out there and now a days its pretty easy to learn how to build a computer yourself. Youtube is amazing. some good links for you https://www.reddit.com/r/PCMasterRace/wiki/builds http://imgur.com/gallery/ukFQc http://imgur.com/gallery/PK1WFTJ
Darkening Demise Posted February 21, 2016 Author Posted February 21, 2016 The one you posted in your first link is not bad at all. What is your budget? And in which country do you live? I will give a look, and check what can be a good option for you. US $1500
Guest Posted February 21, 2016 Posted February 21, 2016 US $1500 Holy Cow! With this amount of money you can build a top grade 4K game PC. Now, if you know how to build a PC then just grab the pieces from NewEggs. If not, then check for a good game PC on internet (NewEggs is still my recommendation for who lives in US.) Then the crucial question: are you OK to build your PC alone from the different pieces?
Guest Mogie56 Posted February 21, 2016 Posted February 21, 2016 the problem with a PSU isn't as much with the amount of power it has but the connectors the PSU has. not sure about Nvidia cards but AMD cards require 2 connectors. and those cheesey molex to 6 pin adapter type seldom work. dedicated would be ideal. and a minimum 500w is required for GTX 980 and Minimum 400w for GTX 960 most older 300W PSU don't have the required connectors for the newer cards
Guest Posted February 21, 2016 Posted February 21, 2016 the problem with a PSU isn't as much with the amount of power it has but the connectors the PSU has. not sure about Nvidia cards but AMD cards require 2 connectors. and those cheesey molex to 6 pin adapter type seldom work. dedicated would be ideal. and a minimum 500w is required for GTX 980 and Minimum 400w for GTX 960 most older 300W PSU don't have the required connectors for the newer cards Extremely good point. Thanks Moogie.
Guest Mogie56 Posted February 21, 2016 Posted February 21, 2016 also if you want to build your own PC here's a tutorial on the subject.
Wired Posted February 21, 2016 Posted February 21, 2016 Avoid using anything AMD APU (A4-A10) with discrete video. If you have $1500 then you must build PC from scratch. I recommend to save money and buy i5 4690K because the new skylakes are hardly comparable and F4's engine doesn't use more than 4 threads. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117372 - 239 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130770 - +149 = 388 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835118099 - +29 = 417 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487079 - +497 = 915 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226757 - +55 = 970 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822178381 - +70 = 1040 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811353028 - +90 = 1130 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817153232 - +55 = 1185 For example.
Darkening Demise Posted February 21, 2016 Author Posted February 21, 2016 Eeeeehhhh......? Is bronze power supply better or was that the one that's known for causing issues? Anyways I'm looking at newegg for complete PCs. This is way above budget but would this be a good PC choice? Any part concerns? I'm never doing liquid cooling that's for sure so I avoid IBuildPower brand. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883798521 Kind of had a search filter here http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=Property&N=100019096%20600030537%20600014723%204114%204115%204814%20600566987%20600566606%20600567076%20600567085%20600528688%20600530838%20600537266%20601114502&IsNodeId=1&cm_sp=Promo-2125620_Gaming-Desktops1-_-visnav-_-i7_4
Guest Real Posted February 21, 2016 Posted February 21, 2016 I highly caution against buying a premade machine. Especially from a budget company like Ibuypower and cyberpower. The one time I didn't build my own machine, I bought an ibuypower machine, they had a shit psu in it. After I sold it and built my own, the psu failed and fried everything. I spent quite a bit of time troubleshooting parts and getting the machine working again because the guy I sold it to was a friend. I understand not wanting to build, but it is incredibly simple these days. Mostly plug and play, the only "hard" part is spreading a little paste on the top of a cpu and fitting an aftermarket heatsink on it. If it seems too much, you could get a knowledgeable friend to help. Also if you build it, you can fix it. If you do buy from one of those builders, make sure they actually tell you what's in them... Generic specs do not make a machine.
Wired Posted February 21, 2016 Posted February 21, 2016 Is bronze power supply better or was that the one that's known for causing issues? Anyways I'm looking at newegg for complete PCs. Not at all if you are using Power supply from the manufactor like FSP's. But I can't find any FSP ps' at newegg. But I really recommend FSP Group PSU's. Got mine 450W powering OC'd Q6600 8 years without having gold certificate. I highly caution against buying a premade machine. Especially from a budget company like Ibuypower and cyberpower. True. Regardless of the brand, they put unbalanced hardware. I met a combination of i7 and GT 520 sitting on low-budget mobo with terrible chinese no-name PSU and that crap was priced like $1200.
gt5000 Posted February 21, 2016 Posted February 21, 2016 yeah premade computers have to budget on parts that people dont usually consider important, RAM, MOBO, PSU, and thats why they only advertise CPU+GPU by name and everything else just by number. the difference between bronze and gold cert is the efficiency (and possibly life) of the PSU Example of how certification is different 115v and 230v are different testing levels to rate the amount of energy that is converted(and lost) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/80_Plus Short answer is Bronze is usually fine unless you are really pushing the TDP limit, usually you want to get 20-30% more wattage than you need. Better certification you can usually get a smaller PSU but it will usually cost more.
Wired Posted February 21, 2016 Posted February 21, 2016 The biggest myth is that you need 1Kwatt to power up hardware like i5 and 970-980. That's not the truth as newer hardware targets for lowering power consumption. When you really need the 100% efficient 700-1000Watt mostly for hi-end SLI/Crossfire configurations with OC'd i7 on LGA2011 platform.
Guest Posted February 21, 2016 Posted February 21, 2016 My power supply is barely 600W. And it newer goes over 70% to power up a i7 4GHz + 16Gb ram + GTX 980 TI at 1.1GHz. (+ a SSD and a rotational + some USB devices)
Ernest Lemmingway Posted February 22, 2016 Posted February 22, 2016 A bit of friendly advice: avoid Best Buy. Their products are overpriced, Geek Squad is notorious for causing more problems than they fix, and you really can't get a custom rig from them since all they do is prepackaged systems. A better bet is to find a smaller franchise that does specialize in custom computers. Others have already mentioned online sites that are pretty good. And yes, do avoid AMD for gaming. I prefer NVidia simply because their products were made with gaming in mind. For something that's going to keep going but not break the bank, search for PC Gamer Magazine's recommended builds (low-end, middle, and high-end). They're not absolute cutting-edge (which can cost $5-8k) but they'll still run most current games at max settings without problem.
Benmc20 Posted February 22, 2016 Posted February 22, 2016 Use NVIDIA card =>950, works much better than AMD cards in Fallout 4, and pretty much every game.Not true : i have a rather old Core i5 2400, 8 GB of DDR3 RAM, 2 HDD of 500 GB (7k2 RPM, one for the OS+SWAP, the other for games) and a AMD Radeon 380x Sapphire Nitro edition. All at maximum, zero lags, totally fluid. Ah and i'm on Windows 7 Home Premium (10 sucks !). The one you posted in your first link is not bad at all. What is your budget? And in which country do you live? I will give a look, and check what can be a good option for you. US $1500 If you can afford the tower you've link above, go, it's a good choice. Your actual CPU and PSU are too weak. The biggest myth is that you need 1Kwatt to power up hardware like i5 and 970-980. That's not the truth as newer hardware targets for lowering power consumption. When you really need the 100% efficient 700-1000Watt mostly for hi-end SLI/Crossfire configurations with OC'd i7 on LGA2011 platform.True : my PSU never pass beyond 250 watts (at 230V), the recommandations are just for insurance that all will work fine with the wors PSu you've can get (i don't recommand this !). Go for a good Seasonic PSU.
Darkening Demise Posted February 22, 2016 Author Posted February 22, 2016 Use NVIDIA card =>950, works much better than AMD cards in Fallout 4, and pretty much every game.Not true : i have a rather old Core i5 2400, 8 GB of DDR3 RAM, 2 HDD of 500 GB (7k2 RPM, one for the OS+SWAP, the other for games) and a AMD Radeon 380x Sapphire Nitro edition. All at maximum, zero lags, totally fluid. Ah and i'm on Windows 7 Home Premium (10 sucks !). The one you posted in your first link is not bad at all. What is your budget? And in which country do you live? I will give a look, and check what can be a good option for you. US $1500 If you can afford the tower you've link above, og, it's a good choice. Your actual CPU and PSU are too weak.The biggest myth is that you need 1Kwatt to power up hardware like i5 and 970-980. That's not the truth as newer hardware targets for lowering power consumption. When you really need the 100% efficient 700-1000Watt mostly for hi-end SLI/Crossfire configurations with OC'd i7 on LGA2011 platform.True : my PSU never pass beyond 250 watts (at 230V), the recommandations are just for insurance that all will work fine with the wors PSu you've can get (i don't recommand this !). Go for a good Seasonic PSU. My current CPU and PSU or the one in the link? Also with my current system what would be a good card to put into my PC as a substitute until I can get a whole new PC? I know I need at least 1GB VRAM to play Skyrim again.
Guest Posted February 22, 2016 Posted February 22, 2016 ... My current CPU and PSU or the one in the link? Also with my current system what would be a good card to put into my PC as a substitute until I can get a whole new PC? I know I need at least 1GB VRAM to play Skyrim again. Go with a basic GTX 960 with 2Gb. You can run Skyrim 1960x1080 at 60 FPS with ENB. Something like this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127844, that is $ 190. Save money for when you can do a full new PC. Putting a 980 on your current PC is not the best option.
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