and there wonder why they get banned

[Surenas]

No, free speech is a rational mechanism of communication in public communities that aren't terrorized by irrational wannabe tyrants that think of themselves as immune to pressure, which they are not as you'll see soon cos as long as the Nexus is a public platform the enforced gag rule to prevent any form of criticism falls beyond the pale and gets answered by taking appropriate steps.

 

Let's talk about obsesssions first after the own banishment cos own experience makes it much easier to grasp the true nature of the Nexus.

To get banned one just has to talk freely for a while. Isn't a big whoop, is it?

[GrimReaper]

You see, the nexus isn't a public community. It's very much a private one. You do not have any rights that are regulated by laws to use this website at all. It's the same with supermarkets, for example. They are free to enter for everyone but that doesn't make it a public space. In theory, the owner of said supermarket could expel you from it for no real reason. Same applies to the nexus.

 

Oh, I have been banned here and there alright. Even on LL for a very shallow reason. It wasn't a permaban, though. I think it's generally very unhealthy to get deeply involved with online communities. Most people online don't have a problem to backstab you if they think it serves their goals, whatever these may be. See, I was around since the old Wolflore forum and in my opinion LL will eventually become another soulless, amorphous moloch where single users are just mere unimportant numbers that are easily replaced. That is, if LL continues to grow and given enough time.

 

Even now you can get into some nasty shit if a moderator doesn't like you.

[Surenas]

Bullshit. It was from the get-go and still is a public community, not a private one.

The owner owns the platform, that's all and it does not include ownership of the community members or their individual opinions. Without public interest the Nexus is just an empty vessel and I doubt that I'd ever again agree to an invitation to support 'a good idea' that ends up as a frakkin' bad one after a decade...

[gregathit]

The nexus is a privately owned site that is open to the public at large IF they abide by the rules that the owners dictate. Free speech is NOT protected within those type of boundaries. It is silly to think that they would be. You are allowed to sign up for an account with the understanding that if you don't obey the rules you loose the account. All this is rather obvious and I am not sure why anyone would bother debating it.

 

Bans in general can't be judged. You need to look at the circumstances surrounding each individual ban to form any sort of honest opinion about it.

 

If more people would treat the nexus as simply a place to upload/download things from rather than a community or a place to "hang out" then it would perhaps go a little smoother with them. It is a soulless place simply because it is so large and with that size it any type of "community" becomes lost in the shuffle.

 

I do hope that this never happens to this site!

[Surenas]

Free speech, the exchange of information and connections was the reason for the existence of the mentioned mod hosting site, the vessel that is to be filled first with stuff the site owner does not own. I really don't know what drugs you guys are on but virtual dictatorship is not the concept of public forums and it didn't gave birth to the Nexus either, for otherwise none of you would ever have heard of it - it simply wouldn't exist! It is obvious that you have no idea of the funny nonpolitical beginning and the less funny political course the site has adopted over the years. What you believe is normal for present is in fact the very reverse, result of an onging indoctrination process to convince you of a restrictive control by violent folk, to agree to mental disenfranchisement.

 

If you think now that the he who rejects total control might leave the site... not even that is possible, he remains member forever cos only the increase in numbers counts in the money making business. And the Nexus keeps sight on its member numbers...

[demongoat]

 

Your shit flavored ice cream example doesn't fit the situation at all.

You're not being asked to taste or install the mod' date='so the mod doesn't effect you in any way.[/quote']

oh look moving the goal posts, you didn't say anything about being asked to do anything, you just said "given away for free" my example fits perfectly if you don't change what you mean.

 

 

Also it seems most confuse criticizing with bashing,trashing and insulting the modder.

Critiquing a mod is fine bashing,trashing and insulting the modder isn't.

nexus mods don't bother separating the two, real criticism is just as much banned as insulting the modder, they call everything "trolling".

 

that is the point really, the mods have taken the stance that the end justifies the means, even when it drives out people that really contribute. it is their site sure, but they only create the illusion of a good site by fascist zero tolerance policies.

 

Ok what is the motive for trashing someones work?

What's the point to post just to tell someone their mod isn't lore friendly?Better yet what will that accomplish?

freedom? the right to give your opinion even if it is unpopular? the very principles we cherish? sure people could think about their posts more, i would say they really should do that!

 

honestly it doesn't have to be directed at the modder in question, it might be directed at nexus for not having someway of filtering things better. the more you demand it, the more likely they will implement it, then again maybe not since nexus mods are a group of greedy, hitler wannbes anyway.

they haven't fixed the database so it doesn't break every 20 minutes, so why expect them to add something more complex than a working website?

 

eh,trolls are trolls that's what it boils down to.

 

there are trolls and then there are people that just say things the mods or users don't like.

i've been accused of being a troll for voicing an opinion people don't like.

troll is now a byword for people that hold opinions the person calling them it doesn't like, it is the internet form of calling someone a racist or a bigot.

 

 

[demongoat]

The nexus is a privately owned site that is open to the public at large IF they abide by the rules that the owners dictate. Free speech is NOT protected within those type of boundaries. It is silly to think that they would be. You are allowed to sign up for an account with the understanding that if you don't obey the rules you loose the account. All this is rather obvious and I am not sure why anyone would bother debating it.

 

Bans in general can't be judged. You need to look at the circumstances surrounding each individual ban to form any sort of honest opinion about it.

 

If more people would treat the nexus as simply a place to upload/download things from rather than a community or a place to "hang out" then it would perhaps go a little smoother with them. It is a soulless place simply because it is so large and with that size it any type of "community" becomes lost in the shuffle.

 

I do hope that this never happens to this site!

 

i think you are right, i keep telling myself not to get overly emotional about the sites stupid way of doing things.

it is hard because i'm used to debate ideas and they don't like debate on anything, they just want people to pretend to be a community when there really isn't one anymore.

it just doesn't compute for me i guess:)

good thing i never posted more than once or twice on there, i bet i would be banned 10 times over by now!

[Guest Gandalf]

oh look moving the goal posts, you didn't say anything about being asked to do anything, you just said "given away for free" my example fits perfectly if you don't change what you mean.

 

There were no goal posts and when you're looking for mods there is nothing you're being asked to do except follow their rules and to not be a dick to people,is that too hard to do?

 

nexus mods don't bother separating the two, real criticism is just as much banned as insulting the modder, they call everything "trolling".

 

that is the point really, the mods have taken the stance that the end justifies the means, even when it drives out people that really contribute. it is their site sure, but they only create the illusion of a good site by fascist zero tolerance policies.

 

I've been downloading mods there for a long time and not once have i found myself emotionally involved in how they run their site or how a modder has created his/her mod.I just don't get it.

 

freedom? the right to give your opinion even if it is unpopular? the very principles we cherish? sure people could think about their posts more, i would say they really should do that!

 

honestly it doesn't have to be directed at the modder in question, it might be directed at nexus for not having someway of filtering things better. the more you demand it, the more likely they will implement it, then again maybe not since nexus mods are a group of greedy, hitler wannbes anyway.

they haven't fixed the database so it doesn't break every 20 minutes, so why expect them to add something more complex than a working website?

 

I keep hearing freedom and free-speech thrown around like it means that we have a right to harass and demean others in a public forum

and that is not what it's all about.

The right to freedom of speech is not absolute in any country and the right is commonly subject to limitations, as with libel, slander, obscenity and incitement to commit a crime.

 

Nexus should remove that type of member to keep the site peaceful.

 

there are trolls and then there are people that just say things the mods or users don't like.

i've been accused of being a troll for voicing an opinion people don't like.

troll is now a byword for people that hold opinions the person calling them it doesn't like, it is the internet form of calling someone a racist or a bigot.

 

What i saw in the OP was trolling i assume that's what we're still talking about.

[Surenas]

You don't get it, Gandalf, cos you're actually not yet involved, or what is your pseudonym on the Nexus again, hmm?

[Guest Gandalf]

You don't get it' date=' Gandalf, cos you're actually not yet involved, or what is your pseudonym on the Nexus again, hmm?

[/quote']

 

I don't get what?I'm not involved in what?

What does my username have to do with anything?

 

[gregathit]

You don't get it' date=' Gandalf, cos you're actually not yet involved, or what is your pseudonym on the Nexus again, hmm?

[/quote']

 

I don't get what?I'm not involved in what?

What does my username have to do with anything?

 

 

I wouldn't worry about Surenas. She has a bur under her saddle about the Nexus. She can't tolerate anyone saying anything at all good about it.

 

Argue if you want, but she is rather committed to dumping on it, proceed at your own peril.

[Surenas]

A lot, my friend. Unless proven by your Nexus pseudonym which would enable us to see who you really are, I don't take arguments on the Nexus seriously.

[Guest Gandalf]

A lot' date=' my friend. Unless proven by your Nexus pseudonym which would enable us to see who you really are, I don't take arguments on the Nexus seriously.

[/quote']

 

I don't have to prove anything to you,who do you think you are?

[Guest Gandalf]

You don't get it' date=' Gandalf, cos you're actually not yet involved, or what is your pseudonym on the Nexus again, hmm?

[/quote']

 

I don't get what?I'm not involved in what?

What does my username have to do with anything?

 

 

I wouldn't worry about Surenas. She has a bur under her saddle about the Nexus. She can't tolerate anyone saying anything at all good about it.

 

Argue if you want, but she is rather committed to dumping on it, proceed at your own peril.

 

Actually i'm not arguing with her i'm trying understand what she's talking about.

[thesapien]

I don't see the point of all this Nexus hating' date='i follow their rules and have never been banned,of course i don't hang out there because i don't like walking through troll shit.

 

Nexus isn't a big deal to me i'm a member there just for the mods.

[/quote']

 

Hey, you're one to talk about haters given your reason for not hanging out there and "troll shit"!!! Sorry, just thought that was funny.

 

For me, they're just an easy target and exemplar. They ban trolls yet have lots of them. Funny how that works. The LL method seems to be working much better here.

[thesapien]

I know not what "freedom of speech" is or was ever supposed to mean.

 

I believe in being responsible for what I say, always and anywhere.

[Guest Gandalf]

I don't see the point of all this Nexus hating' date='i follow their rules and have never been banned,of course i don't hang out there because i don't like walking through troll shit.

 

Nexus isn't a big deal to me i'm a member there just for the mods.

[/quote']

 

Hey, you're one to talk about haters given your reason for not hanging out there and "troll shit"!!! Sorry, just thought that was funny.

 

For me, they're just an easy target and exemplar. They ban trolls yet have lots of them. Funny how that works. The LL method seems to be working much better here.

 

You have a point,Gandalf hates troll shit!

[Guest GingerTom]

I found this a very interesting, informative and entertaining thread.

 

However, if this thread was on Nexus ALL OF YOU would have been banned by now because you kept forgetting to say the proper buzz words: "Thank you, no--you first, you're too kind, I just love your work, you're a great modder, pure genius."

 

But somehow you all missed the most important expression over there: "May I kiss your ass?"

[thesapien]

“With that, I will inflict upon the genophage the greatest insult an enemy can suffer. To be ignored.”

 

-Okeer, Mass Effect 2

 

Applies to trolls, too!

[Guest Gandalf]

@GingerTom

Thank you for your post, no--you post first, you're too kind to post that, I just love your post, you're a great poster, pure genius.

 

I draw the line at the kissing ass thing.

 

I couldn't help it:angel:,with that said,i retire from posting in this thread,ok stop the sarcastic applause:dodgy:,i don't know why i started posting here except that i like debates but i don't like trolls or their droppings.

 

Gandalf out...

 

Be real and be happy.

 

 

[Guest GingerTom]

Read it again--I think you folks took my post the wrong way: I was talking about what you have to say when you're over on Nexus.

[Surenas]

I know not what "freedom of speech" is or was ever supposed to mean.

 

I believe in being responsible for what I say' date=' always and anywhere.

[/quote']

 

The freedom of speech is the guarantee that I don't pulverize you already after the first alien quack. An utmost coherent mechanism.

 

A lot' date=' my friend. Unless proven by your Nexus pseudonym which would enable us to see who you really are, I don't take arguments on the Nexus seriously.

[/quote']

 

I don't have to prove anything to you,who do you think you are?

 

I'm the one that teaches you a missed lesson, with all respect due to your age. Don't judge ever again about things like the Nexus you have absolutely no idea of. You can do it better, hopefully. And you have to next time.

 

Regading the Nexus you should know that whatever is said or is still left to say about the site has to pass the filter of my long-standing experience, at least as long as I am interested.

[thesapien]

I know not what "freedom of speech" is or was ever supposed to mean.

 

I believe in being responsible for what I say' date=' always and anywhere.

[/quote']

 

The freedom of speech is the guarantee that I don't pulverize you already after the first alien quack. An utmost coherent mechanism.

 

I think in my country...

1) There are other laws that would cover things like assault and slaughter and 2) there is no guarantee that you won't lock me up, force me on meds, and/or take my kids aways (if I had kids!).

 

Anyway, do I come across as that kind of crazy? I'm the other kind of crazy. A saucer could land in my yard with little grey people walking out and I'd guess they were from here. Seriously, though I don't see it happening.

 

Today, I wrote on another thread that basically Skyrim doesn't have freedom of religion because religion is different to them. It's real. So, for example, if the Thalmor are right in that the trickster god stole their immortality to give mortals the ability to ascend to immortality, then Talos, the exemplar of this, is really their enemy and ought to be opposed. So it seems Mark Twain was very accurate in defining religion as being what we know ain't so.

[Surenas]

On Freedom of Speech, a recognized human right. You're still human, guess so.

 

Where again is Speaker's Corner located? Right, in Darkling's homeland. That means one and the same jurisdiction, UK jurisdiction, no matter where the Nexus file servers are located or where the moronic auxiliaries that apparently can talk to others only with a loaded gun may live or not. Bad News at any US tea party - that known "assuming direct control"-thingy doesn't work, not even under US jurisdiction, though the ongoing indoctrination of the Nexus members actually does, result of constant pressure. Well, it's up to the members to get remote-controlled or not, every good man is free. Our task is simply to minimize the collateral damage when the Nexus collapses like other gas giants before.

[Guest Gandalf]

I know not what "freedom of speech" is or was ever supposed to mean.

 

I believe in being responsible for what I say' date=' always and anywhere.

[/quote']

 

The freedom of speech is the guarantee that I don't pulverize you already after the first alien quack. An utmost coherent mechanism.

 

A lot' date=' my friend. Unless proven by your Nexus pseudonym which would enable us to see who you really are, I don't take arguments on the Nexus seriously.

[/quote']

 

I don't have to prove anything to you,who do you think you are?

 

I'm the one that teaches you a missed lesson, with all respect due to your age. Don't judge ever again about things like the Nexus you have absolutely no idea of. You can do it better, hopefully. And you have to next time.

 

Regading the Nexus you should know that whatever is said or is still left to say about the site has to pass the filter of my long-standing experience, at least as long as I am interested.

I'M BACK!

Hehe,

Ok,i'll bite what did you teach me,what was the missed lesson?

What have i already judged and what should i never judge again about the Nexus?

What might i do better?When is the next time?

Can i see your filter of experience?Is it bigger than a bread box?

I thought you lost interest yesterday....

I'm just trying to figure out what you're talking about....