jessica91 Posted September 19, 2015 Author Posted September 19, 2015 @stilz 3. I dont know where i can see that 4. : When i play skyrim my GPU temperature is about 85-95°C very high i know but dont know why. Maybe this one helps too ->>> http://prntscr.com/8i3anz "Check to make sure your refresh rate is set to 60hz in your driver control panel if you dont mind" same as 3 dont know where i can find that, im rly sorry =( It was 50hz now its 60hz ~10min gameplay (temperature) -> http://prntscr.com/8i3fxi EDIT : "Is Prio the only free piece of "performance boosting" software you have? the vast majority of these programs are completely useless and in many cases they can actually harm performance" I have used 1-2 years ago a few programs like this : There was a thread in Skyrim Nexusmods where are about 30steps how to increase your ingame fps... i just found the video i think i did everything like in the video "CoreParkingManager" "UnParkCPU"
stilz Posted September 19, 2015 Posted September 19, 2015 85-95c is about what id expect from a reference cooled gaming GPU on a factory set fan profile. They optimize for noise, not temperature usually. The GPU theoretically is fine at those temperatures. With that said however, its much higher than id be comfortable with for extended use. The GPU will throttle itself back if it ever reaches 105c which is the point silicon and solder can become compromised. Core unparking is fine. So lets go through some steps here... If you click this little detatch button - You wind up with something like this. I put arrows on the numbers to look at during gameplay for what we need. If GPU usage is low or the core clock does not increase dramatically while in game and you are still getting those temperatures then we likely have a faulty GPU. if you dont mind getting us a screenshot of this after a few minutes of running around in game thatd be great But first in your driver control panel make sure these settings are set like mine. Where I have the arrows, not all of it . You may not have some of the same options on your card so dont panic if you see something thats not there for you - And make sure if there is a Skyrim profile in the "Program settings" tab to set all of its options to match the above ^^ . If you did not set this yourself it likely will not have a special profile for Skyrim. Do not add one. Sorry if all this turns out to be un-needed but im still having a hard time figuring on a GTX660 having such a hard time at 1080p even if you turn settings down.
jessica91 Posted September 19, 2015 Author Posted September 19, 2015 Thank you very much for your effort trying to help me =) This is the detatch button information -> http://prntscr.com/8i45aj and these are my nvidia settings ( a few points i see in your screenshot are not even there =D) >>>> http://prntscr.com/8i48xp<<<<<
Nayu Posted September 19, 2015 Posted September 19, 2015 You have DSR active. That costs performance. Deactivate it.
jessica91 Posted September 19, 2015 Author Posted September 19, 2015 Theres no deactivate option - lowest is 1,2 x native resolution and DRS Smothness 0 % ? Done both -> 1,2 native and smothness to 0%
Nayu Posted September 19, 2015 Posted September 19, 2015 You can just untick 1,2 which deactivates it. Smoothness will automatically be on "off" then.
stilz Posted September 19, 2015 Posted September 19, 2015 sorry for disappearing had to go get some work done. Yeah you should be able to uncheck every field under DSR like Nayu says and itll shut off. Also make sure where it says "Energieverwaltungsmodus" it is not set to adaptive but it is set to the maximum performance option My next question is in MSI Afterburner what is the "Core Clock" ("Kernfrequenz" or similar? Sorry if thats wrong I can only read very little german) of the GPU doing as its not included in your screenshot above. It should be fixed at 980mhz or higher while the game is running. If its fluctuating rapidly or getting stuck in "mid power" (450 to 700mhz range for those cards I think) clocks it will cause frame rate issues. This could be caused by a driver issue or hardware failure. and i gotta run again, good luck
jessica91 Posted September 19, 2015 Author Posted September 19, 2015 @nayu : thanks and sorry that im so stupid =D @stilz : energy is set to max. performance it was adaptive as u said My core clock is about 900-450 its changing very often -> http://prntscr.com/8i8ll4 PS: Kernfrequenz well done =D
Nayu Posted September 19, 2015 Posted September 19, 2015 Has nothing to do with stupidity. Everybody starts from zero Did you try running Skyrim again after changing those things?
jessica91 Posted September 19, 2015 Author Posted September 19, 2015 Its allways changing back to adaptive even i pressed accept. ._. I'll try to restart my computer maybe it will help. EDIT : Vysnc is changed back to on and there seems to be no way that i can change it to off. (starting nvidia controlpanel -> Vysnc on ->turned to off -> apply -> close window -> open up again -> vysnc on !?) same by energy management mode.
27X Posted September 20, 2015 Posted September 20, 2015 Are you the admin of the account you're using in windows? SMP I've used SMP just fine; while it's superior to PE in a lot of ways, it's still immature and prone to fault and has shit for documentation, it also relies on the same paging allocation ENB does, which is frankly dumb as hell and only going to cause needless headaches and endless conflicts. McAfee There's probably half your issues right there. I would consider going offline, disconnecting from the interwebs, ending McAfee for the time being and then trying the steps above, and then re-enabling it after you're sure they've stuck.
stilz Posted September 20, 2015 Posted September 20, 2015 ^^ McAfee is pretty notorious for preventing settings changes on your computer, even good or intentional ones. Its also pretty "poor" Antivirus software. It works for some but there is better, less intrusive and easier to use. Just dont ask me whats popular right now. I have good luck with a combination of Microsoft Security Essentials a firewall and Malwarebytes still. If you have admin rights and disabling McAfee doesnt fix the issue of settings not saving then you should try reinstalling the GPU drivers. Download the latest drivers for your card on nvidias website (http://www.nvidia.de/download/driverResults.aspx/90633/de). Run the driver installer, you will see a check box for something like "Perform Clean Install". You want to check that. If youre comfortable doing it id also recommend the advanced install option and choosing to not install any of the HD audio, 3D Vision or GeForce Experience options (unless you plan on using these things). If you like you can uninstall the nvidia drivers from your control panel before running the driver package. Just be sure to reboot before running the installer. This is probably not required under Windows 7 but can help if the machine is trying to run multiple versions of a driver for one piece of hardware for some reason. Just be sure to get all nvidia entries in the programs list. You will need to set all the settings we had you go through earlier all over again after this. then check and see if the core clock is still fluctuating The other option here is hardware failure. whether its always been doing this since you got it or it degraded after extended use at high temps I couldnt say. But that core clock graph looks very similar to what a defective GTX280 I owned some years back was doing. Constant TDP or Themral throttling back to low power 3d clock speeds. But before we think about this lets try the other things first
AuronXCZE Posted September 20, 2015 Posted September 20, 2015 My set up is i5, 8GB Ram and a 550Ti and i run shit tons of script mods and texture mods (No emb since that really is a fps killer) and im stable at 50+ fps (oke if i start to fk around with spawning npcs and let armies of creatures fight bandits i drop to 20 xD ) All help i can provide, Dit you updated your GPU drivers ? How old and fast is your HDD (it does not affect the FPS but it can slow the game down a lot since your HDD needs to writte and read a lot of stuff) also a general info : Powerfull pieces =! Powerfull pc since sfuff needs to work together not against each other if you know what i mean. I would suggest to try your skyrim on a different PC and see what it does, if its runing faster on a weaker rig, then there is a part failure, if its works as bad, its some mod/the game itself. Then i would clean up the PC (eg Registry and so on) and the innards like check cable connections and dust (you would not believe how much frustration 1 loose cable can inflict)
jessica91 Posted September 20, 2015 Author Posted September 20, 2015 Good morning and thank you all for your posts !@27x : I am the admin of the Computer, yes. Deactivating MC Afee isnt working i just can deactivate the real time scan and firewall. @stilz : I unistalled/deleted everything related to nvidia (regedit/folders/drivers) and installed nvidia advanced install with "standart settings" (think this was similar to "perform clean install" cause i couldnt find that. It said that it will set everything to default after install and doesnt use changes i made before) I installed only the PhysX and Card driver. (3D and audio unchecked) I will try skyrim with my settings i already have 10min and after that i will try to turn on shadows and look at the fps + make a screen from the msi detach chart. Changed all the nvidia settings to the one u mentioned. @Auron : I didnt changed anything. Its like i got him from the market HDD (st2000dm001-1ch164 ata device) thats the information i get (right click computer -> properties -> hardware) free space is about 1 TB and i defrag the computer every week atleast once. Got no other computer i had a laptop before and every game was lagging there that was the reason for me to buy a good computer and since then i cant run games with "good" settings fluidly EDIT : 1st 10min gameplay with my ingame settings before -> Indoor was about 160-120fps Outdoor was about 60-45fps The temp. was constand 95°C (before it changed from 85-95°C) screen from the detach -> http://prntscr.com/8id6i4 Temperatur when i dont do anything was before about 40°C with 40%fanspeed, now its constant 56°C with 100% fanspeed o.O EDIT 2 :2nd 10min gameplay with setting same as before + shadows high indoor 120-90fps (but there was barely any shadow to see) outdoor 55-30fps detach -> http://prntscr.com/8idd3n
Nayu Posted September 20, 2015 Posted September 20, 2015 Check if your GPU cooler isn't clogged with dust. If it is then that most likely explains your temps.
jessica91 Posted September 20, 2015 Author Posted September 20, 2015 No i have cleaned the hole computer 3 days ago
AuronXCZE Posted September 20, 2015 Posted September 20, 2015 Wierd, your GPU should have plenty power to handle this. this problem is not software related, this one is for sure a hardware related issue, i would suggest you put your case on the table, open it, and run Skyrim and see what the GPU is doing, feel the warmth of it by placing your hand near it (dont touch it xD) and feel if its really hot or not. (also this way you can see how fast the Fans are actually going. and as for the game speed issue, i know this may not be related, but what version of skyrim are you running ? since i rerember a long time ago there was something about skyrim not wanting to use more of 4GB of RAM or so, and also, if you have a pirate version (I dong give a fuck about if you have or not) there is the chance that the game itself is corrupted, well, that can happen with a retail version too. btw. You defrag waaaaay too much Once a month is more then enough ^^
AuronXCZE Posted September 20, 2015 Posted September 20, 2015 Here is my back up HDD where i know i can run skyrim on with all my mods (in case its really by any chance a software fault) > Is there anything you have a different version off ? Ignore : Creative Stuff (that's for my weird sound card) PS : Ignore applocale and uTorrent, that's for weird Japanese games xD
jessica91 Posted September 20, 2015 Author Posted September 20, 2015 Microsoft -> http://prntscr.com/8idq3r Nvidia -> http://prntscr.com/8idqee Intel -> http://prntscr.com/8idql7 java -> http://prntscr.com/8idqtq Skyrim version -> 1.9.32.0.8 skse 1.7.3. I bought the game directly from Steam. "You defrag waaaaay too much :P" - I know its very often but i delete my skyrimfolder i think every week once, cause there are so many problems with mods i didnt get solved via uninstalling the mods and so smartdefrag has 20gb to work with.
jessica91 Posted September 20, 2015 Author Posted September 20, 2015 I played with shadows -> spawned 50 npc and used some fus ro dah's ( i thought some ragdoll animations need some extra effort from the gpu) and i have to say the air from the cpu is like a warm wind its not hot or similiar to that. with an open i have reached a max temp from about 92°C but it has changed very often back to 85°C.
AuronXCZE Posted September 20, 2015 Posted September 20, 2015 Srsly mate, i kinda run out of ideas what could be the issue >.< Try to reinstall your skyrim, that's is like the last idea i got since that ''i delete my skyrim folder every week once'', maybe made some mismatch in your registry (you never know) and clean your registry while you are at it. If it feels like that the GPU is not overheating, interesting... how many fans you have that pull hot air out of the pc case ? since if non, the overall heat in your case can really rise a lot.
jessica91 Posted September 20, 2015 Author Posted September 20, 2015 http://www.coolermaster.com/case/mid-tower/k350-rc-k350-kwn2-en/<<<<< thats my case iv got just 1 in the frontside. When i unistall skyrim via steam and reinstall it, the game itself gets very strange. i got mods back activated i have used a year ago before and some mods are not even get deleted. In steam workshop i haven't actived any mods or subscripted to them.
AuronXCZE Posted September 20, 2015 Posted September 20, 2015 http://www.coolermaster.com/case/mid-tower/k350-rc-k350-kwn2-en/<<<<< thats my case iv got just 1 in the frontside. When i unistall skyrim via steam and reinstall it, the game itself gets very strange. i got mods back activated i have used a year ago before and some mods are not even get deleted. In steam workshop i haven't actived any mods or subscripted to them. I Think we may have found your issue, since that means your Registry got really badly fucked up, uninstall Skyrim (and manually delete EVERYTHING that got left behind) i use a retail version (DVD) so you may need to find out where skyrim got installed, then get a program like CCleaner and and clean your registry (make a backup of your registry just in case, CCleaner will make one) restart your PC, then make a clean install of Skyrim again. then there should be a option in Steam to check your game and download/install missing files (not sure how its really called tho) after that, run CCleaner one more time and try the game after that. I go sleep for a while since i have a 16 hours shift ahead of me starting today 10pm till 2pm the next day so i go take a nap for 3 hours, i check on you after i wake up. To your case, i suggest you get a fan to the places where the red arrows are (you need to install them so they draw air out, not in ^^) that should help with the overheating (note a fan thats enough is about 7 usd or like 5 euro + they are really easy to install)
jessica91 Posted September 20, 2015 Author Posted September 20, 2015 Finally i managed to delete everything u mentioned and reinstalled it. Also i changed the settings from my skyrimprefs.ini manually all again instead of just copy paste in my documents folder. (i did it once and copied allways the "enhanced" skyrimprefs.ini) But unfortunately its all the same as before ._.
AuronXCZE Posted September 20, 2015 Posted September 20, 2015 Well, for now, we know the game itself is not the issue anymore (btw do you still get the mod enabled stuff ?) This may be the last solution before we know that your GPU is broken : Whats is the power of your power supply ? (And have you set the power management in the Control Panel to Power ?) I called a friend who works for a nVidia retainer and he told me that rigs with a 660 come with a 330W supply and that is not enough for the card to draw full power and work properly, it needs something around 550W or 850W So, if you have everything correct from the above, then before you go buy a new card know that a 660 is enough for skyrim (my 550 Ti is not even made anymore and i can play new games on it just fine and performance wise its 1/2 of your card) i would go to the shop where you got the PC and tell them what your issue is and then ask either for a refund or a new card OR a repair.
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