Witcher 3 ModKit released

[Vykroft]

I didn't find a topic about the toolkit, so here is it.

 

http://bit.ly/1Mo2noQ

 

It was released 3 days ago.

 

Enjoy and happy modding.

[gregathit]

And the controversy around its release:  http://www.gamespot.com/articles/witcher-3-dev-responds-to-mod-tools-controversy/1100-6429787/

 

The reason folks are steamed is this is a rather complex set of tools to use and certainly won't be for the average Joe (or Jane) to go tinkering around with their game.  Folks were promised something similar to Redkit (editor for witcher 2) and they got this instead.  Folks were fine with it thinking that this was just to tide them over until the Redkit was ready........and then the dev's dropped the bomb......"no Redkit for you!".....or soup either!!!

[Guest endgameaddiction]

After they made their sales.... I'm glad I didn't give in to W3. First with downgrade on graphics and now no redkit? Hope Beth don't pull the same stunt.

[Vykroft]

Well yes the average modder will always prefer a "pretty" editor instead the crude code line. That's the difference between a company who make games designed for a modding community, and a company who doesn't.

Personally, I used to spend entire days coding in python with the old module system of warband, this isn't different.

The "usuals" modders will have to wait for Bannerlord (custom editor), Kingdome Come Deliverance (Cryengine free SDK v3.5.8.2310), or the new Fall Out (probably, the old and recycled, Creation Kit )

[XJ347]

After they made their sales.... I'm glad I didn't give in to W3. First with downgrade on graphics and now no redkit? Hope Beth don't pull the same stunt.

 

To be fair, Skyrim wasn't/isn't 100% open either, which is why we need FNIS to edit animations since they are locked that out.

 

True this is more limited than the creation kit, but most mods don't require the things that are locked out. Most mods in Skyrim could be made in W3 mod kit, so I am not really sure why you are freaking out.

 

Does it suck that it doesn't have full access, absolutely but lets not make mountains out of mole hills. You are complaining about a game you didn't buy... it seems like you are trying to justify you opinion with by grasping at straws. It seems really odd. Note I haven't played W3 yet but then again I am not saying that is a good or bad game either. I lack experience to make an informed judgement and I know it.

 

TLDR; Seems like you are looking for any flaw to complain.

[Buddy Christ]

 

TLDR; Seems like you are looking for any flaw to complain.

 

 

Actually the complaining is justified. They did announce that they would release Redkit after all, only to backpedal now.

[bjornk]

I can't think of any major mods for the previous games in the series, most of the mods out there are basically "tweaks" to the game, so not a big loss IMO.

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After they made their sales.... I'm glad I didn't give in to W3. First with downgrade on graphics and now no redkit? Hope Beth don't pull the same stunt.

 

To be fair, Skyrim wasn't/isn't 100% open either, which is why we need FNIS to edit animations since they are locked that out.

 

True this is more limited than the creation kit, but most mods don't require the things that are locked out. Most mods in Skyrim could be made in W3 mod kit, so I am not really sure why you are freaking out.

 

Does it suck that it doesn't have full access, absolutely but lets not make mountains out of mole hills. You are complaining about a game you didn't buy... it seems like you are trying to justify you opinion with by grasping at straws. It seems really odd. Note I haven't played W3 yet but then again I am not saying that is a good or bad game either. I lack experience to make an informed judgement and I know it.

 

TLDR; Seems like you are looking for any flaw to complain.

 

Well said!

 

 

TLDR; Seems like you are looking for any flaw to complain.

 

 

Actually the complaining is justified. They did announce that they would release Redkit after all, only to backpedal now.

 

 

Not EVER justified if you not even bought the game. Sure you can have opinion but judging about a game or modkit can only be done when you BOUGHT IT period.

 

So again not JUSTIFIED.

[Buddy Christ]

 

Not EVER justified if you not even bought the game. Sure you can have opinion but judging about a game or modkit can only be done when you BOUGHT IT period.

 

So again not JUSTIFIED.

 

 

 

What? You really believe that, do you? That you can only complain about a dev studio and broken promises after you bought their product?

And it is not about "judging" the game or modkit, it is about "judging" the dev studio that broke the promise they made regardin Redkit.

 

The game itself might be fine, if it is to your taste and you can praise it all you want.

I on the other had can definetly say: I am not interested in this game, since I do not condone the pityful behaviour of the developers and do not intend to give them money.

 

It is kind of the same thing as complaining about how evil Microsoft and W10 is without having installed it.

[windpl]

 

 

Not EVER justified if you not even bought the game. Sure you can have opinion but judging about a game or modkit can only be done when you BOUGHT IT period.

 

So again not JUSTIFIED.

 

 

 

What? You really believe that, do you? That you can only complain about a dev studio and broken promises after you bought their product?

And it is not about "judging" the game or modkit, it is about "judging" the dev studio that broke the promise they made regardin Redkit.

 

The game itself might be fine, if it is to your taste and you can praise it all you want.

I on the other had can definetly say: I am not interested in this game, since I do not condone the pityful behaviour of the developers and do not intend to give them money.

 

It is kind of the same thing as complaining about how evil Microsoft and W10 is without having installed it.

 

 

Well, at last this is game that you can buy for it content and not for content that could be possible added by others ;D

[trpd]

None buys TW for modding. Its cool to have them to be able to tweak game to your liking more but this is not selling point of the games. I wonder if those that blame ever made a single mod for TW game...

[XJ347]

 

It is kind of the same thing as complaining about how evil Microsoft and W10 is without having installed it.

 

Well that is not true. Microsoft is being open and honest about them giving you no privacy. If you value privacy then you can make a judgement without buying it. You are basing your opinion on a value.

 

 

That guy earlier was saying, I didn't buy the game but gave no real reason why. He complained about two aspects ,"They downgraded graphics" and "No RedKit". I think the man made a snap judgement on the game and doesn't want to really reveal why he doesn't like it and now is looking for reasons to not make him look silly. His complaints aren't valid in this situation. From my understanding the graphics aren't downgraded, but Xbox and PS3 have limited frame rates because they improved graphics TOO much and those systems can't handle it. PC's aren't effected this way. The RedKit issue also seems weak in this instance. He didn't buy the game before the RedKit is the reason he didn't buy it? Well he doesn't create mods so he was never going to buy the game. Don't tell me he was expecting mods, because the Witcher doesn't have a modding community yet. RedKit came to late for Witcher 2 to get attention. Seriously it appears he made a snap judgment and is now grabing anything to discredit it. So far his argument isn't based on a value of some sort. All he had to do was say I don't like playing games with a fixed protaganest, I like making my own and not being forced to play Garalt... but that is not what he said.

 

I understand why people are upset about the RedKit. No complicated quest mods that we could throw in sex mods that we love here at LL. They said they are giving us moding tools and we assumed it would be the RedKit. Yeah it sucks. Thing is people like the Witcher for the mature enviroment and story, not mods. Am I annoyed? Yes, but modding is a bonus for the Witcher series, unlike Skyrim where it is the feature.

[Buddy Christ]

 

 

Well that is not true. Microsoft is being open and honest about them giving you no privacy. If you value privacy then you can make a judgement without buying it. You are basing your opinion on a value.

 

*snip*

 

Ok, so it is ok to complain about Microsoft, because they are honest and open and not ok to complain about a developer that lies about stuff?

 

I snipped the rest so the quote doesn't get too long and cluttery

 

And of course I can only speak for myself, but since I got hooked on modding, I put quite some weight on the possibilites to mod games (only when it makes sense of course, I didn't think about it when buying several other games because I do not intend to mod them. Why would I want to mod a pure FPS?)

But if it is an RPG that is "sandboxy" I wait with my purchase to see how modding turns out to be.

That was my one reason for postponing to buy W3.

 

After the debacle with suddenly not releasing the Redkit, I won't buy it anymore for three reasons: No Redkit, Devs went into bed with Nexus and they showed to be dishonest. Maybe I will buy it when it is on sale for 9.99 (Either Euros or Dollars )

 

Oh, and before somone asks: Yes, after what I read so far about FO4, I will wait and see how the modding will be handled for it before buying it.

Well, actually there are two reasons for not ordering FO4 right now. My main one is that I want to wait and see if Bethesda pulls their fucking region lock stunt again despite EU laws. And the second is the modding question.

If modding for FO4 is severly restricted, I will probably only grab it on a sale as well (depending if there is a region lock or not, though)

 

Edit: And the "he doesn't mod, so he never was going to buy the game" is a bit weak in itself. Because even if someone doesn't mod (heck, I only made a shitty little mod for Skyrim that strained my brain way too much), he or she might still want to add mods to a game. And with no proper tools, there are no mods one can use.

 

PS: I think it is a bit rude to adress someone "That guy earlier", but that might just be me

[XJ347]

 

Edit: And the "he doesn't mod, so he never was going to buy the game" is a bit weak in itself. Because even if someone doesn't mod (heck, I only made a shitty little mod for Skyrim that strained my brain way too much), he or she might still want to add mods to a game. And with no proper tools, there are no mods one can use.

 

Thing is there is no modding community for the Witcher series like there is for Skyrim and Fallout... I am not even sure there are any mods that use the RedKit to it fullest extent for Witcher 2, so why would you expect anything different in Witcher 3? Modding for the Witcher series has always been minor, so I feel safe saying you shouldn't expect awesome mods for Witcher 3. Sadly now I know that is the case with the weak sauce ModKit. =( The only thing we really lost is potential. Note that is still better than 95% of other games out there that has no modding at all... If this happened to FO4 then yeah I would be pissed but that is because you expect modding for Besesda games.

 

As for not using the guys name, I was trying to attack the idea and not the individual. To me it appeared to that someone made a prejudgement and then looked for anything to support that prejudgement. Part of the problem is the attitude presented that there was no real chance given to like it. You will always find something to dislike about anything if you go looking for it. I dont mind if people do not like something, as long as they come to the conclusion from objective points first. It should be evidence before judgement. I enjoy games that you play as female, since you play as male that will prevent me from enjoying it. Objective point made and then a judgement. As I said the attitude felt as if judgement was made before taking in evidence. That is what bothers me.

 

With windows 10, there are some people who prejudge and that pisses me off too. Saying that if you value privacy you can make a judgement on that point and then decide Windows 10 is not for you.

 

Hopefully my refined point of view helps with understanding my point.

 

[Buddy Christ]

But if I look at screenshots, watch play-movies and read reviews, that should be enough "evidence" for me to say "I am only interested in this game if it can be modded".

 

 

A modding community could have been born for W3, if the right tools would have been released in a timely fashion (as announced by the developers at first)

So if anyone hoped for it and now is disappointed with the direction it went, it is a valid reason to say "I'm not going to buy it and I am glad I waited".

 

Better than 95% of other games out there is a made up percentage, it has no value, since it is based on your experience alone. I might be wrong, but I am pretty sure you haven't played 100% of games out there and so you judge games you did not buy and/or play.

 

How do you decide if a game interests you? Buy it and return it, if it is not to your liking?

 

Like I said, I can only speak for me. I decided I didn't like TW3 enough to buy it for full price and without decent mod support. If it then turns out that there will be no real mod support, I feel confirmed in my first jdgement, in this case "This game is of not very much interest for me and I dislike the studio for pulling a fast one over the people that had believed in the possibility for good moods."

 

I do not think that anyone needs to write down the whole history of gathering information about a game to state that he doesn't like it.

Heck, there are people who love the Twilight movies. I do not have to see them to decide that I will hate them.

 

But maybe we should leave it at that, this thread is probably not meant for a discussion of this kind. And we are on different sides of the fence, so I would propose that we agree to disagree.

 

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Hoped for good mod kit so we could play with females and customize like in skyrim character creation like Skyui racemenu ext.

 

Now i probably sticking with skyrim ciri

 

 

with out real mod community and as bad as TW2 got mods i probably won't touch TW3 that much anymore it's shame i liked the game and would have played it alot more of we got decent mods like ENB and all mods skyrim got now it don't look promising.

 

For 160 hours i played TW3 was ok playing Geralt but to be honest i rather play female like CIRI and tweak with mods(nude) make her awesome   seems not gonne happen.