Alternate Start - Live Another Life: Frozen horses, no cart ride to Helgen

[Killikrates~2014]

I'm running into an issue with Live Another Life. When I begin the Helgen bit, horses are frozen (mouth open, tail straight out from body, unmoving although Wet and Cold breath is animating) and as such the cart ride won't begin. Dialog and character animations proceed, but no cart movement.

My load order is as follows;

 

Skyrim.esm
Update.esm
Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp
Dawnguard.esm
Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp
HearthFires.esm
Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp
Dragonborn.esm
Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp
Skyrim Project Optimization - No Homes - Full Version.esm
Falskaar.esm
Wyrmstooth.esp
ApachiiHair.esm
ApachiiHairFemales.esm
ETaC - RESOURCES.esm
EFFCore.esm
ApachiiHairMales.esm
Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm
MFVM.esm
RSkyrimChildren.esm
WinterholdDestruction.esm
AemersRefuge.esm
moonpath.esm

zazAnimation pack
GeneralStores.esm
daymoyl.esm
Cutting Room Floor.esp
Thieves Guild Requirements.esp
LootandDegradation.esp
Atlas Compass Tweaks.esp
mintylightningmod.esp
iHUD.esp
Nausicaa's Tweaker.esp
CharacterMakingExtender.esp
Convenient Horses.esp
UIExtensions.esp
BFSEffects.esp
Nuska Warpaint.esp
CrossbowReloading.esp
ORM-Arvak.esp
DeadlyCombat.esp
DeadlyMonsters.esp
Dual Wield Parrying_SKSE.esp
ELE EDWS RS Merged.esp
Exhaustion.esp
Footprints.esp
NPC Knockout Overhaul.esp
RaceMenu.esp
Better Stealth AI for Followers.esp
Headtracking.esp
Footprints - Ash.esp
ImportantInformationOverhaul.esp
MarryMe.esp
When Vampires Attack.esp
Kickass Esbern.esp
Elemental Staves.esp
ORM Convenient Alsvid.esp
RaceMenuOverlays.esp
RaceMenuPlugin.esp
AMatterOfTime.esp
SkyUI.esp
Dual Sheath Redux.esp
TimingIsEverything.esp
TreaclemanMoonpathPatch.esp
Yield 2.0.esp
homes remodeled.esp
ETaC - Complete.esp
Middle Order Mods.esp
Early Order Mods.esp
AOS.esp
DeadlyCombat_GiantsAIFix.esp
Traps Are Dangerous.esp
WM Trap Fixes.esp
WetandCold.esp
WetandCold - Ashes.esp
HearthfireMultiKid.esp
Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp
Weapons & Armor Fixes_Remade.esp
Clothing & Clutter Fixes.esp
CollegeOfWinterholdImmersive.esp
Tamriel Reloaded.esp
Hroldan Complete Merged.esp
ETaC - Dragon Bridge South.esp
Patch - ETaC Complete - RS kids.esp
EpisodeParallax.esp
New Lands Merged.esp
RealisticWaterTwo.esp
Complete Crafting Overhaul_Remade.esp
Better Favor Jobs.esp
ACE MM SPO SSR patch Merged.esp
Animated Weapon Enchants.esp
Immersive Sounds - Compendium.esp
NPC_Overhaul_V_1_.esp
Grandmaster Delphine.esp
ExpandedWinterholdRuins.esp
Alternate Start Complete Cooking Expansion.esp
ETaC Complete Merged.esp
Skyrim Immersive Creatures.esp
RealisticWaterTwo - Wyrmstooth.esp
TradeBarter.esp
GuardAnimationsGDO.esp
Unique Grasses.esp
tpos_merged_280614.esp
Late Order Mods.esp
FCO - Follower Commentary Overhaul.esp
Dwemer Goggles & Scouter.esp
SkyrimCoinReplacerRedux.esp
DigitigradeKhajiit+ArgonianRaptor.esp
AllowAmuletRing.esp
RavenRockExpanded.esp
CAPBAC for CCO.esp
chfshPlayerVoicesets.esp
ADS.esp
dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp
ISC Merged Patches.esp
SkyTEST-RealisticAnimals&Predators.esp
OBIS.esp
aMidianBorn_ContentAddon.esp
Stealth Skills Rebalanced_COMPLETE.esp
OBISDB.esp
OBIS Redone.esp
Civil War Overhaul.esp
DeadlyDragons.espv
FireAndIceOverhaul.esp
DeadlySpellImpacts.esp
Bring Out Your Dead.esp
PrinceandPauper.esp
HearthfireMultikid_PNP Patch.esp
RSChildren - Complete.esp
RSChildren_PatchUSKP.esp
Patch - Falskaar - RS kids.esp
Patch - Wyrm - RS kids.esp
USKP_NPCoverhaul_Patch.esp
SPTConsistentOlderPeople.esp
CWINPCApachiiSkyHair.esp
Skytest Immersive Creatures.esp
Skytest USKP.esp
Skyrim Immersive Creatures - DLC2.esp
MoonAndStar_MAS.esp
ETaC Complete Inns and Taverns merged.esp
Sky Haven Temple M&M3.esp
DawnofWindhelm.esp
DFB - Random Encounters.esp
CCO_SIC_Patch.esp
High Level Enemies - SIC.esp
High Level Enemies - SIC Falskaar.esp
WetandCold - Holidays.esp
ETaC WC Holidays Patch.esp
Hebrock_Der Schatten von Meresis - EV.esp
BetterDGEntrance.esp
BFT Ships and Carriages.esp
Inconsequential NPCs.esp
PNP-RS-INC patch.esp
Patch - Inconsequential NPCs - RS kids.esp
Nightingale Hall.esp
EFFDialogue.esp
Essential Blades.esp
Brynjolf & Vex Followers.esp
Cloaks.esp
Dead Body Collision.esp
RealisticWaterTwo - Legendary.esp
WestWindAssault.esp
Mrissi.esp
Run For Your Lives.esp
Inconsequential NPCs - CRF Compatibility Patch.esp
MrissiSiniNewLook.esp
ANSKA ENHANCED.esp
TheChoiceIsYours.esp
SkyrimSewers.esp
Druid Den Redux.esp
Point The Way.esp
UniqueBorderGates-All.esp
moonpath_questdata.esp
Atlas Legendary.esp
NorthernCardinal.esp
Anna_NPCs.esp
MFVM_Hearthfire_Patch.esp
EnhancedCharacterEdit.esp
XCEMwW.esp
FOL_Anduniel.esp
CWIDawnDragonPatch.esp
lpbards.esp
LPBardsAnduniel.esp
AndunielAlternateLooks.esp
Anna_NPCs_AlternateLooks.esp
Rigmor.esp
Loraine.esp
Inigo.esp
NAZEEM RELOADED.esp
HEIMSKR_FOREVER.esp
ETaC - Complete Moon Patch.esp
Unique Grasses_clippingfixer.esp
AemersRefuge-DG-DB.esp
Painkiller's_Hrothmund's_Axe.esp
ExplosiveBoltsVisualized.esp
ETaC - Complete BFT Patch.esp
SofiaFollower.esp

Arachnophobia Expansion
kankaraya.esp
ETaC Complete Plaguesword merged.esp
Conan_Hyborian_Age.esp
Lilarcor.esp
RealisticWhiterun.esp
NorthernCardinal_Falskaar.esp
RealisticWaterTwo - Falskaar.esp
DragonCombatOverhaulDragonborn.esp
The Dance of Death - Ultimate Edition.esp
CombatDramaOverhaul.esp
KonnektorDragonborn.esp
UniqueBorderGates-All-BetterDGEntrance.esp
CuralmilsPhial.esp
Magic of the Magna-Ge.esp
HoldBorderBanners.esp
NorthernCardinal_Wyrmstooth.esp
BooksOfSkyrim.esp
daymoyl_DawnguardAddon.esp
The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp
STEP Extended Patch.esp
dD-DG-DB-Immersive Creatures EBT Patch.esp
PrvtI_HeavyArmory.esp
1nivWICCloaksNoGuards.esp
Improved Closefaced Helmets_Legendary.esp
Paralyze.esp
Thieves Guild Followers.esp
Wardrobe UNP.esp
Equipping Overhaul.esp
UniqueBorderGates-All-PointTheWay.esp
Real Clouds.esp
Bashed Patch, 0.esp
Dual Sheath Redux Patch.esp

Merged Plugins

Early Order Mods;
Moss Rocks
Beards
Neutral Hjerim
True Eyes
Clams Drop Pearls
DragonBoneEbonsteel.esp
Moss Rocks DB
Chesko Lore-based Loading Screens
Correct Gender Animations DG
AHZ More HUD
DG Rune Weapon FX Replacer
Brows
Appropriately Attired Jarls Redux
Ash Rocks
Ghosu - Weapon Pack 1
Physics Impact Damage Fix
GladiatorArmor.esp
Arrow Duration 60
Insanity's Sorrow.esp
No Combat Boundaries Legendary
Open Container
SG Eyebrows
Sulfur Rocks
Symphonies of Skyrim
Webs Extended
calyps-bosmer.esp
Natural Lighting & Atmoshperics
IHSS
Random Thunder
Humans Drop Human Parts
Better White Phial Effect

Middle Order Mods;
01ERA
lefthandrings - dawnguard.esp
lefthandrings.esp
Book Covers Skyrim
Lore Weapon Expansion - Goldbrand.esp
AethEbonyCrownReplacer.esp
BCS CCOR patch
Soul Gems Differ
Size does matter
Understone Keep Repairs
Serana Dialog Edit
Black Sacrament Armor DB Replacer
executionerarmor.esp
Correct Gender Animations DB
Correct Gender Animations
RV Markers
Solsteim The Lost Levels
Lore Weapon Expansion - Daedric Crescent.esp
Dawn of Riften
Skyrim Improved Puddles
Daggercross Alley
Legendary Companion Perk
Dungeon Quest Awareness
Better City Entrances
Ingredients of Tamriel
Beautiful Whiterun
The Big Book of Alchemy
Skyrim Flora Overhaul
Snowbound Acres
Glorious Grass
isilNarsil.esp
Blessings Altar Descriptions
Pilgrims Delight

Late Order Mods;
Dragon Shout Voice
Lore Weapon Expansion.esp
BosmerArmorMATY743.esp
Insanity's Shields.esp
Windhelm Lighthouse
Height Adjusted Races w/ True Giants
XCES
Dark Brotherhood Forever to Misc
Radiant & Unique Potions Poisons & Booze
The Chornicles of Steel
Third Era - Dwemer.esp
Unique Uniques.esp
ScopedBows.esp
Waterbreathing Breathless Emerge
skyforgedShields.esp
Oblivion Black Soul Gem Creation
PP Ogmund's Tomb
High Hrothgar Overhaul
Sword of Sigdan
Block Sparkles
Gildergreen Regrown
Black Sacrament Armor (ACE Patched)
JetDwemerBows_DG.esp
PP Windcaller Pass
PP Engelmann Rest
Insanity's Chrysamere.esp
FunctionalBags.esp
RBB Row Boats HF Hotfix
Insanity's Umbra Sword.esp
Insanity's Empire Longswords.esp
skyforgedWeapons.esp

ACE Complete SPO SSR patch Merged;
Smithing Perks Overhaul Remade
ACE Archery Dragonborn
ACE Archery
ACE Enchanting
ACE Melee
ACE Smithing
ACE Armor
ACE Speech
ACE Synergy
ACE BYOG
ACE Magic
ACE Realistic Fighting
SSR ACE Armor Patch

ACE MM SPO SSR patch Merged;
Smithing Perks Overhaul Remade
ACE Archery Dragonborn
ACE Archery
ACE Enchanting
ACE Melee
ACE Smithing
ACE Armor
ACE Speech
ACE Synergy
ACE BYOG
ACE Magic
ACE Realistic Fighting
SSR ACE Armor Patch
MM - Alteration Extras
MM - Illusion Extras
MM - Restoration
MM - Scaling
MM - Voice
MM - Destruction
MM - Enchantments Rebalance
MM - Conjuration
MM - Alteration
MM - Artifacts
MM - Fortify Magic School Enchantment & Alchemy
MM - Illusion
MM - Conjuration Extras
MM - Dual Casting
MM - Restoration Extras

Alternate Start Complete Cooking Expansion;
Cooking Alchemy
Cooking Expanded DB
Helgen Imperial Armory
Campfire Cooking
Campfire Cooking - Alchemy
Cooking Expanded
Cooking Expanded HF
Campfire Cooking - DG
Campfire Cooking - DB
Alternate Start - Live Another Life
Campfire Cooking - Live Another Life
Starting Spell Choice
Starting Spell Choice - LAL
Patch Starting Spell Choice - LAL

ELE EDWS RS Merged;
ELE-Spell and Torch Lighting.esp
Relighting Skyrim - Update.esp
RelightingSkyrim.esp
Relighting Skyrim - Dawnguard.esp
Relighting Skyrim - HearthFire.esp
Relighting Skyrim - Dragonborn.esp
ELE-FX Emittance.esp
ELE HF-Interior Lighting.esp
ELE-Interior Lighting.esp
ELE DG-Interior Lighting.esp
ELE DB-Interior Lighting.esp
ELE-Weathers.esp
ELE Dragonborn-Weathers.esp
enhanceddynamicweathersystem.esp
ELE-Imagespaces.esp

ETaC Complete BFT Merged;
BFT Ships & Carriages
ETaC Complete BFT patch
* Do Not Renumber FormIDs

ETaC Complete Inns and Taverns Merged
Inns and Taverns
ETaC Complete Taverns patch

ETaC Complete Plaguesword Merged;
FH Plaguesword
ETaC Complete Plaguesword patch

ETaC Complete Merged;
ETaC Complete EWDR patch
ETaC Complete LoS patch
Hearthfire Chimneys ETaC

Hroldan Complete Merged;
Hroldan Nightgate Sawmill
Ravenscar Village

ISC Merged Patches;
ISCompendium AOS Patch
ISCompendium CCO Patch
ISCompendium EBT Patch

Lakeview Merged;
HF Lakeview Avant Garden Performance
Lights Lakeview Manor
Llewellyn Female
Lakeview Manor Fish Hatchery

New Lands Merged;
Skyfalls DB FS Small Waterfalls
Skyfalls Skymills DG DB FS WT
RBB Long & Row Boats New Lands
Falskaar Wildlife
RW2 Waves WT
RW2 Waves FS
Hearthfire Chimneys Falskaar
Falskaar Clouds
bhabhilon

Wardrobe UNP;
Tavern Clothes MTM
Aradia Kato Outfit
Scarlet Dawn Armor
Mashup UNP
el Gilded Doublet Set
UNP Fence Net Body Set
UNP Academy Dropout
UNP Leather Cami and Shorts
UNP Smithy Sex
UNP Snap up Booty Shorts and Top
UNP Boots 02
UNP Boots 04
UNP Leather Clothes
Calyps Investigator
Light Blades Armor
Bouncy Bodices Booties Belts Stockings

 

 

Edit: I also encounter frozen horses as a soldier in the Imperial army, outside Solitude the BFT cart's horse is in a similar rigor.

[Justoutthere]

The only time I have experienced the "unusual" cart behavior with Alternate start is when using a custom race, had a look through your load order but there is much there I am unfamiliar with, is this a possible cause?

[kalador]

Question:  Do you have FNIS installed, and did you run it before beginning a new game?

Having new animations installed without installing and running FNIS will cause weird problems with the cart ride.

 

I have Live Another Life installed, and my game begins with the character creation in an interior cell, skipping the long winded and boring cart ride and the whole Helgen scene entirely.

[srayesmanll]

The Helgen cart ride is one of the most delicate things I have seen.  The only thing AS-LAL does is streamline the character creation part.  It doesn't do anything with the cart ride itself so whatever would have affected the cart ride without AS-LAL will affect it starting with AS-LAL.  Anything can cause it to putz out - animation mods (Animated Prostitution was a big cause early on), anything that touches Helgen (Helgen Reborn - although if you have HR installed you can't use the Helgen start through AS-LAL), SOS, etc.  Your best bet is to enable only mods needed for character creation.  Once your character makes it into Helgen keep with either Hadvar or Ralof, then save, quit, and then install all of the other mods needed.

[Killikrates~2014]

Thanks. I use Wrye to bash a patch, run the sky proc patcher for Dual Sheath Redux and run FNIS with the Gender & Skeleton fixes checked after each change to my load order.

I do have the various troublesome mods you've mentioned, but on other MO profiles (and Helgen Reborn stays unchecked/activated until after a Daedra's Best Friend is completed due to pathing issues). I recently added AS-LAL, and hadn't had issues starting vanilla style, so I assumed all would go to plan. I'm going to do some trial and error to determine where the wheels came off the bus (cart?). My Custom Race and SOS equipped profiles were intended for other start options (what's up with the Blackreach ambush, that whole thing was discouraging), I'll revisit them after I get the Helgen thing sorted.

I have the AS-LAL plugiin merged, so I'll unwind that and try it standalone in case I've confused its scripts. The only cart/horse mods I've got in play are BFT and Convenient Horses, it would surprise me if those were the issue as the AS-LAL description didn't include any disclaimers for those & they all seem pretty popular & widely used.

 

>>> So after additional troubleshooting I can confirm my issue isn't specific to AS-LAL, it occurs without it in my load order.

Additionally, I have made a new merged patch not including the main AS-LAL plugin to avoid future compatibility/scripting issues.

I will continue to search for the source of my paralyzed horses.

[chajapa]

I hated having to endure the pre-Helgen cart ride every time I wanted to start a new character (which I do.... a LOT... hehehe).

 

I just started using Mod Organizer. I have a profile that has just the vanilla stuff and my custom races (Lunari, Ningheim and Succubus Race)

 

I endured that cart ride ONCE and made a save right before the guy says, "Who are you?". That save is called (oddly enough) Who-Are-You.

I start any new character in this vanilla-ish profile. Then transfer them to whatever modded profile I want them to play in. Seems to work out a lot better for me. I had often endured that cart ride with the cart on its SIDE all the way to Helgen. Bouncing off of things and generally spazzing out. 

 

Now I don't have to deal with it.

[HanPL]

If Alternative Start is properly actived then it should bypass the whole intro section from the game, you spawn in a small cell then create character pick where want to spawn (more or less ) and that's it if you have Helgen intro then something is wrong.

 

Also you could always try Skyrim Unbound instead of Alternative Start

 

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=169372128

[D_ManXX2]

you have so many mods in your list i have not seen Helgen Reborn in your list since this is the only mod i know off who will not work right with alternate start.

 

 

[Killikrates~2014]

I do use AS-LAL to bypass Helgen, except I want to proceed through that bit this once (and pick up the heavy legion armor from Helgen Imperial Armory).

I do have Helgen Reborn archived, but not active in any profiles that haven't competed A Daedra's Best Friend.

I have FNIS in all profiles for the skeleton arm fix. I had SexLab framework in a couple of other profiles, and I believe that FNIS run through MO must pool generated files somehow as activating SexLab framework & running FNIS got horses animated so the cart ride could proceed.

Unfortunately I now get stuck on my way to the chopping block, I walk in place (without forward progress) when called to get my haircut. I'm not sure what is causing this issue, thankfully I have other profiles so my Khajiit Auxillia can keep spinning his wheels 'til I have a breakthrough and get this sorted.

[Killikrates~2014]

Resolved Horse Animations Issue;
Launched FNIS from MO, selected De-Install Creatures, exit FNIS
De-selected FNIS Creatures in MO
Launched FNIS from MO, created files for user, exit FNIS
Selected FNIS Creatures in MO
Launched FNIS from MO, created files for user, exit FNIS
Profit.

As for getting stuck at the chopping block, not sure if the FNIS reboot resolved or if de-selecting Helgen Reborn in MO's left pane was key (I had the esp file inactive in MO's right pane previously). Also I was previosly using AS-LAL 2.4.0 previously & have since upgraded and started a new with 2.4.1

[dork42]

Reply, Yeah in MO, depending on how you're managing archives (archive tab on top of right panel) having it enabled on left panel but not right could matter. Hover over  the 'Have MO manage archives' for a decent pop-up explanation.

 

Out of the blue, the horse stuck happened to me enroute to rescuing Thorvald. I'll try your solution, not sure what I did to mess it up as I have a FNIS settings 'mod' for each of my MO profiles

 

Thanks, de-install creatures worked, I had merged mine into my Fores Idles when I installed it, but exiting after de-install, then just running it again, worked.