feral Posted June 9, 2014 Posted June 9, 2014 Edited 6/16/2014 Working title: "Yet another rape mod" Progress: Hammering out ideas, scripter wanted. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The general idea of this mod is to add some gameplay immersion to being raped, most mods only allow the player to be raped after being defeated in open combat, or automatically engages in the animations. This post will cover some of the core ideas for this mod. The NPC's For the sake of compatibility and ease of creation, this mod will not modify existing NPC's from the vanilla game or other mods. Special NPC's will be created specifically for this mod and their soul purpose in life is to rape the player and their follower (possibly other NPC's as well). Direct confrontation While the player is exploring the wilderness, or simply walking from hold to hold there will be a chance that they will be confronted by a rapist much in the same way they might be confronted by a vanilla thief. The rapist will approach the player with their weapon drawn, threaten the player into submitting to them "or make it worse for them", the player will then be given dialogue which will enable them to fight, attempt to persuade, threaten or bribe their rapist into leaving them alone; or to simply submit to their demands. Surprise confrontation Surprise confrontations are events that happen when the player is sleeping in the wilderness, or in rural inns. When these confrontations happen the player is given a choice to resist, or to submit. The idea is that the player would be awakened in the midst of their rapist attempting to rape them. Resisting in a surprise confrontation would be chance based that's modified by calculating the player's selected skills against the NPC's strongest skills. A successful resist will result in the player assuming combat with their rapist, with a chance of fight without a weapon and/or in the nude. Rape and your gear If you rapist is successful in trying to rape you, your weapons and armor (or entire inventory) will be placed into a near-by container, or strung about on the ground. This could be an MCM option where the player could choose a container, or have their stuff strung about. Struggle Free In the process of being raped the player has the option to try and struggle free. -Basic struggle: Chance based similar to resisting a surprise rape -Advanced struggle: A struggle system like what is found in sexlab defeat, the player's selected skills will be compared to the NPC's strongest combat skills and that will determine how difficult it would be to fill the struggle meter. Both methods would employ the use of stamina that would modify the difficulty of escape. A full stamina meter would make for an easier escape, while a depleted stamina meter would make for a much more difficult, if not impossible escape. Each attempt with the basic struggle feature would burn a set amount of stamina, and the advanced struggle feature would burn stamina over time while the player is trying to fill the bar; making it more difficult the longer they try to struggle. Successfully breaking free from your rapist will ragdoll them, or place them into bleedout mode for a short period of time. Your character will then be given a temporary boost to stamina that you can use to fight or flee. Gangrape There is a chance in where the player may be confronted or surprised by a group of rapists. Other than modifying how many times the player is raped, and the kind of animations played, this will also modify the difficulty in which it would be to threaten, bribe or persuade your assailants away; and reduce the chance you have to resist a surprise encounter. When playing multi-NPC rape animations it will also increase the difficulty of struggling free from being raped. Whether or not the NPC's use multi-NPC animations or rape turn style is based on chance. Bondage A new idea I'd like to throw in... There could be a chance in where your rapist(s) may elect to restrain you, if you're restrained you can not struggle free from rape animations until they are removed. The method of which the restraints are removed would depend on what kind of restraints they are. Non-locking restraints like the use of ropes would introduce a struggle feature, the difficulty in which it is to escape restraints are calculated on your character's pickpocket skill and the NPC's pickpocket skill. Locking restraints like collars, cuffs and the armbinder would introduce a lockpicking minigame. The difficulty of the lock would be based on the NPC's lockpick skill. Having a high lockpick skill, and the perk where lockpicks never break would be very, very useful in this scenario. Once you escape your bindings you will be able to resist rapes and struggle free from rape acts, but do it quickly because your rapist(s) will notice and re-bind you.
Ashra XIII Posted June 9, 2014 Posted June 9, 2014 OK so I love this idea so hard. To be honest I think lots of this could be bundled in with Sexlab Dangerous Nights, but with the addition of struggle. Some other suggestions I would make is that, if your character is surprised (especially in her sleep) the rapist might have the chance to have removed some of her gear, making it (potentially) more difficult to fight back. Post-rape, I do like the idea of getting bound and robbed, potentially a bit like Deviously Helpless, but maybe with a hogtie position you have to work out of in order to move on. Killing probably shouldn't be an option, or at least one that can be disabled, since I can't imagine many people like having their character outright killed by a sex mod. I bet the most difficult part of creating this mod would be getting the struggle stuff to work... not so much pre-rape (as Defeat already does that) but during the sex animations... I could see possibly that they would end during a stage transition or something... kinda like what can happen now when a rapist is killed by an outside actor. Fantastic idea overall, and I really would love for this mod to be made.
Guest Posted June 9, 2014 Posted June 9, 2014 lovers victem is something like that. for dialog iam looking forward to ashals force greed system, with that you can do a loot of naughty shit.^^
afa Posted June 9, 2014 Posted June 9, 2014 Anytime combat is trigger, Submit and Defeat can take over, rather we want that or not is another matter. The only thing that is kind of new is non combat related rape. I think Approach was doing something similar to that, but I never really play around with it too much to say for sure, and there's also Lovers Victim with or without brawl option, but that's limited to being naked and I think kind of buggy and might cause different conflicts with a lot of the current version of mods. Defeat already have a struggle aspect, but don't know how it'll be to just rip that system out. Good and a fairly common concept, personally I think it can be a piece of a bigger mod however.
feral Posted June 10, 2014 Author Posted June 10, 2014 OK so I love this idea so hard. To be honest I think lots of this could be bundled in with Sexlab Dangerous Nights, but with the addition of struggle. Some other suggestions I would make is that, if your character is surprised (especially in her sleep) the rapist might have the chance to have removed some of her gear, making it (potentially) more difficult to fight back. Post-rape, I do like the idea of getting bound and robbed, potentially a bit like Deviously Helpless, but maybe with a hogtie position you have to work out of in order to move on. Killing probably shouldn't be an option, or at least one that can be disabled, since I can't imagine many people like having their character outright killed by a sex mod. I bet the most difficult part of creating this mod would be getting the struggle stuff to work... not so much pre-rape (as Defeat already does that) but during the sex animations... I could see possibly that they would end during a stage transition or something... kinda like what can happen now when a rapist is killed by an outside actor. Fantastic idea overall, and I really would love for this mod to be made. Removal of gear on a surprise attack, like while sleeping, could be interesting. Dialog: "You are awakened by an intruder attempting to rape you" - [submit] / [Resist] Successful resist: "You manage to resist your attacker's attempt to rape you, pushing them off your body you hurry to your feet and ready your weapon for combat." Successful resist w/equip removal: "As you struggle with your attacker they manage to strip you of your (weapon/armor), pushing them off of your body you ready yourself into a fighting stance." Both Submit and Defeat has a chance of the player being bound up, so it would make sense for this mod idea to be a derivative of either. The struggle during a sex scene wouldn't be as difficult as you might think, it would only take a script to instruct sexlab to stop a scene when the conditions are met, and a script to apply a ragdoll or bleed out to the imposing actor. In Fallout NV one of the rape mods in it has a similar feature for preventing rape, the mod calculates the player's stats and weapon stats against the imposing NPC, and if the player's stats are superior to the NPC, the NPC can not rape the player. Using the same principal this can be used to determine a player's ability to resist and/or struggle free. One thing I'd like to add is that when approached by a group of potential rapists and the player is presented with the opportunity to use the speech option to scare them off, the more rapist NPC's there are, the less likely the player is to successfully scare them off. Anytime combat is trigger, Submit and Defeat can take over, rather we want that or not is another matter. The only thing that is kind of new is non combat related rape. I think Approach was doing something similar to that, but I never really play around with it too much to say for sure, and there's also Lovers Victim with or without brawl option, but that's limited to being naked and I think kind of buggy and might cause different conflicts with a lot of the current version of mods. Defeat already have a struggle aspect, but don't know how it'll be to just rip that system out. Good and a fairly common concept, personally I think it can be a piece of a bigger mod however. Post-combat rape is pretty much completely covered by submit, defeat and YMOYL (death alternative), both submit and defeat have features in which the player is tied up after having been raped. This mod would focus more on how approaching, pre-combat and rape scenes are handled. In fact, now that I think about it, the system they use to determine the success of the player escaping their bindings could be modified and used to determine how successful the player is when resisting rape, or struggling free from rape. @Nouseforaname4: I have lover's victim installed, and so far I haven't experienced anything from that mod. I see the mod as a "spawning" mod, rather than messing with the behaviors of existing NPC's, this mod would spawn new NPC's specific to these random encounters. I think it would be easier that way because NPC morality wouldn't have to be considered, and would reduce the chances of conflict. These spawned NPC's would have one purpose in life, and it's to try and rape the fuck out of the player. They wouldn't sometimes dabble in blacksmithing, or spend their nights reading the wolf queen series. They're out to use the player for their own twisted desires! Once they've successfully raped the player, or have been scared off by the player they despawn after some time. Or, they're killed by the player.
afa Posted June 10, 2014 Posted June 10, 2014 Spawning rapist sounds sort of similar to thugs and bounty hunter from Prison Overhaul.
Ashra XIII Posted June 11, 2014 Posted June 11, 2014 The premise of this mod is very cool as stated, since there are already combat mods and this presents a cool way for there to be rape (and struggle against rape) without fighting first. I also like that a successful struggle does result in combat, which creates potential ties with the combat rape mods like Submit and Defeat (at least, I'm guessing that's what would happen!). Or perhaps this mod (whatever it would be called) might have it's own rape situation if the player loses combat to a rapist? Seems unnecessary, but I guess it'd be good for people who don't want to use Defeat or Submit (i.e. crazy folk). Spawning NPCs specifically for the purposes of the mod is also a great idea, because they can be made neutral to townsfolk so that fighting them doesn't incur guard attention, and also so other people don't rush in and just slaughter the rapist for you. This might be a little weird (everyone just letting this person try to rape you), but it's not like this would be unusual, as other mods (like Captured Dreams Shop) spawn this type of NPC.
feral Posted June 13, 2014 Author Posted June 13, 2014 The premise of this mod is very cool as stated, since there are already combat mods and this presents a cool way for there to be rape (and struggle against rape) without fighting first. I also like that a successful struggle does result in combat, which creates potential ties with the combat rape mods like Submit and Defeat (at least, I'm guessing that's what would happen!). Or perhaps this mod (whatever it would be called) might have it's own rape situation if the player loses combat to a rapist? Seems unnecessary, but I guess it'd be good for people who don't want to use Defeat or Submit (i.e. crazy folk). Spawning NPCs specifically for the purposes of the mod is also a great idea, because they can be made neutral to townsfolk so that fighting them doesn't incur guard attention, and also so other people don't rush in and just slaughter the rapist for you. This might be a little weird (everyone just letting this person try to rape you), but it's not like this would be unusual, as other mods (like Captured Dreams Shop) spawn this type of NPC. I think for the full effect of the mod Submit and Defeat would be necessary, how else would the NPC(s) activate the sex animations after having lost in combat? Adding it's own thing after loosing combat could present incompatibilities with defeat/submit for those who use it. Speaking of people's reactions to the player getting raped, I forget which mod it is, and I think it is either defeat or submit, allows rape to be viewed as a crime. I don't know if the proper NPC's would recognize the player being raped as a crime and provide assistance when witnessed. But if it does work like that, then that issue is already solved. But this mod idea suffers from one huge gigantic flaw... It needs someone who knows how to script, cos I know very little about scripting.
nutluck Posted June 13, 2014 Posted June 13, 2014 It might work well as a defeat plugin. I say that cause now defeat has a built in struggle bar to resist. So a plugin that basically can trigger defeat struggle bar but outside of combat might be the easiest and best way to handle it. Then you could just work on making the difference things that can trigger the struggle event.
feral Posted June 14, 2014 Author Posted June 14, 2014 It might work well as a defeat plugin. I say that cause now defeat has a built in struggle bar to resist. So a plugin that basically can trigger defeat struggle bar but outside of combat might be the easiest and best way to handle it. Then you could just work on making the difference things that can trigger the struggle event. True, that could work also. But I must refer you to the post above, without someone who can script, this mod probably won't go anywhere.
Ashra XIII Posted June 14, 2014 Posted June 14, 2014 That's kinda the thing about sex mods... scripting is basically a requirement for all (or at least most) of them! There are lots of talented scripters on Lovers Lab, but generally they all have their own mods they are working on, or they are taking a break. Either way, it can be tough to draw one out to work on your idea, though it's by no means impossible!
nutluck Posted June 14, 2014 Posted June 14, 2014 It might work well as a defeat plugin. I say that cause now defeat has a built in struggle bar to resist. So a plugin that basically can trigger defeat struggle bar but outside of combat might be the easiest and best way to handle it. Then you could just work on making the difference things that can trigger the struggle event. True, that could work also. But I must refer you to the post above, without someone who can script, this mod probably won't go anywhere. Yeah just saying that would take a lot less work than doing a complete stand alone mod. So if you can find someone willing to do it, having a idea with minimum coding might encourage someone to give it a try.
Mister_Monster Posted June 14, 2014 Posted June 14, 2014 I like the idea of a class of rapists out to get YOU. 1) They should level with the player. 2) I should be able to kill them without townsfolk killing me. 3) They should attack NPCs as well. But they've paid off the guards so no help there. This does call for a few scenarios: A typical bandit hold, full of these guys. There you will discover a mysterious party has hired them to rape the living crap outa your character. Roadside encounters, they're gang raping an NPC and you get to stop them. Another: a naked NPC runs to you for help, followed by rapists. Safe houses in cities. found through rumors. Introduce a bathhouse in a city...its a trap! Threatening dialog, We really ought to find a name for this new threat. I suggest, Ravers.
afa Posted June 14, 2014 Posted June 14, 2014 So with the premises set this is what I came up with. A normal NPC will not rape, only these new rapists will.... In town and holds, rapists have a chance to spawn, and they will search for target, NPC, PC, followers are valid targets, hopefully configurable in terms of valid targets/gender/chance of selecting. The target can be predetermined or selected base on line of sight/distance. Predetermined might be less load, but will need to track if target has zoned and what to do if that happens (despawn and respawn or get new target) When they approach target if it is NPC vs NPC, they shouldn't fight. If they fight there might a be chance for the defender to win and Defeat might kick in causing reverse rape which could be odd also might lead to NPC dying. (brawl only?) After scene, rapist should leave and despawn. When they approach PC, I guess dialog option could pop up and can pick between give up, fight or some sort of negotiation. The scenario should be handed over to Defeat or Submit if fight is chosen yet make sure rapist despawn appropriately after scene if it happens. Giving up is simple enough. Negotiation could be gold based/speech check/random leading to paying, persuade/intimidate, lesser form of harassment etc. Would also be interesting if can determine getting hit from the back causes event to trigger regardless, sort of like Defeat's stamina based trigger. Could be interesting to have sliders base on time of day, state of dress/undress, follower present or not. Not sure how to do follower, and follower in service or not. Can handle them like NPC when not in service. When in service should dialog goes to PC or should they be treated as NPC as well.
feral Posted June 16, 2014 Author Posted June 16, 2014 That's kinda the thing about sex mods... scripting is basically a requirement for all (or at least most) of them! There are lots of talented scripters on Lovers Lab, but generally they all have their own mods they are working on, or they are taking a break. Either way, it can be tough to draw one out to work on your idea, though it's by no means impossible! I wish I was one, I do good enough to pull one up and change specific variables lol. I like the idea of a class of rapists out to get YOU. 1) They should level with the player. 2) I should be able to kill them without townsfolk killing me. 3) They should attack NPCs as well. But they've paid off the guards so no help there. This does call for a few scenarios: A typical bandit hold, full of these guys. There you will discover a mysterious party has hired them to rape the living crap outa your character. Roadside encounters, they're gang raping an NPC and you get to stop them. Another: a naked NPC runs to you for help, followed by rapists. Safe houses in cities. found through rumors. Introduce a bathhouse in a city...its a trap! Threatening dialog, We really ought to find a name for this new threat. I suggest, Ravers. I really like the idea of a group of bandits being hired to rape the player. So with the premises set this is what I came up with. A normal NPC will not rape, only these new rapists will.... In town and holds, rapists have a chance to spawn, and they will search for target, NPC, PC, followers are valid targets, hopefully configurable in terms of valid targets/gender/chance of selecting. The target can be predetermined or selected base on line of sight/distance. Predetermined might be less load, but will need to track if target has zoned and what to do if that happens (despawn and respawn or get new target) When they approach target if it is NPC vs NPC, they shouldn't fight. If they fight there might a be chance for the defender to win and Defeat might kick in causing reverse rape which could be odd also might lead to NPC dying. (brawl only?) After scene, rapist should leave and despawn. When they approach PC, I guess dialog option could pop up and can pick between give up, fight or some sort of negotiation. The scenario should be handed over to Defeat or Submit if fight is chosen yet make sure rapist despawn appropriately after scene if it happens. Giving up is simple enough. Negotiation could be gold based/speech check/random leading to paying, persuade/intimidate, lesser form of harassment etc. Would also be interesting if can determine getting hit from the back causes event to trigger regardless, sort of like Defeat's stamina based trigger. Could be interesting to have sliders base on time of day, state of dress/undress, follower present or not. Not sure how to do follower, and follower in service or not. Can handle them like NPC when not in service. When in service should dialog goes to PC or should they be treated as NPC as well. I think this mod should focus on interactions with the player, first at least. There are a few mods out there that already allow NPC's to be raped. I'll do a full and indepth re-cap tomorrow
afa Posted June 16, 2014 Posted June 16, 2014 I don't recall a fully fledged NPC rape framework. Random sex mod and Victim are the only two that comes into mind. Random is just...well random and Victim should only trigger if the target is naked which for NPC is rare, although they both work on PC we well. I think SD+ still has a rape feature on the PC after numerous visit to dream world.
WaxenFigure Posted June 16, 2014 Posted June 16, 2014 There needs to be a reason to rape the DB. Perhaps its only triggered close to endgame when the people who wanted to but didn't become the Archmage, Head of the Thieves Guild, Head of the Dark Brotherhood (or upset because you destroyed it), others who wanted to buy one of those precious few houses in the cities but you became a Thane and bought it before they could and someone who sent thugs after you for some reason but you prevailed against them and/or a losing side Yarl from the civil war or two. Those people get together and decide you are too arrogant and need to be taken down a peg. They hire an outsider to capture you unaware sometime and he collars you with a special collar that forces you to enter a quest which is a series of humiliating circumstances. Some possible circumstances? Strip naked and walk (not run) between two cities in Skyrim and have sex with anyone you meet on the road who requests it (non-hostiles would have a percent chance to request sex while all hostiles would settle for fucking you instead of killing you). Go to a location where many are gathered (One of the Inns in Whiterun, Winterhold or Markarth, , Yarl's court in Solitude, Markarth or Whiterun, Marketplace in Whiterun or Winterhold) and give each of them the option of taking 1000 gold from you or having public sex, the higher the arousal of the person the more likely they will opt to have public sex which means the rest will be more aroused. Anyone else have any other humiliate the DB ideas (sexual or non sexual) that could be worked into a story like this?
afa Posted June 16, 2014 Posted June 16, 2014 That sounds more like a quest based mod than something that would happen dynamically. Nothing wrong with it, sounds kind of like Oblivion GG blackmail, and you will never hear me complain about things that sounds like GGblackmail.
nutluck Posted June 16, 2014 Posted June 16, 2014 There needs to be a reason to rape the DB. Perhaps its only triggered close to endgame when the people who wanted to but didn't become the Archmage, Head of the Thieves Guild, Head of the Dark Brotherhood (or upset because you destroyed it), others who wanted to buy one of those precious few houses in the cities but you became a Thane and bought it before they could and someone who sent thugs after you for some reason but you prevailed against them and/or a losing side Yarl from the civil war or two. Those people get together and decide you are too arrogant and need to be taken down a peg. They hire an outsider to capture you unaware sometime and he collars you with a special collar that forces you to enter a quest which is a series of humiliating circumstances. Some possible circumstances? Strip naked and walk (not run) between two cities in Skyrim and have sex with anyone you meet on the road who requests it (non-hostiles would have a percent chance to request sex while all hostiles would settle for fucking you instead of killing you). Go to a location where many are gathered (One of the Inns in Whiterun, Winterhold or Markarth, , Yarl's court in Solitude, Markarth or Whiterun, Marketplace in Whiterun or Winterhold) and give each of them the option of taking 1000 gold from you or having public sex, the higher the arousal of the person the more likely they will opt to have public sex which means the rest will be more aroused. Anyone else have any other humiliate the DB ideas (sexual or non sexual) that could be worked into a story like this? I agree with the above in that there needs to be reasons. One I can think of, is run across any hostile when you have no weapons or armor. So instead of attacking they rush up and start a struggle activation.
feral Posted June 16, 2014 Author Posted June 16, 2014 I don't recall a fully fledged NPC rape framework. Random sex mod and Victim are the only two that comes into mind. Random is just...well random and Victim should only trigger if the target is naked which for NPC is rare, although they both work on PC we well. I think SD+ still has a rape feature on the PC after numerous visit to dream world. Defeat allows for NPC rape, I've seen it happen a few times during or after battles in which NPC's have got involved. There needs to be a reason to rape the DB. Perhaps its only triggered close to endgame when the people who wanted to but didn't become the Archmage, Head of the Thieves Guild, Head of the Dark Brotherhood (or upset because you destroyed it), others who wanted to buy one of those precious few houses in the cities but you became a Thane and bought it before they could and someone who sent thugs after you for some reason but you prevailed against them and/or a losing side Yarl from the civil war or two. Those people get together and decide you are too arrogant and need to be taken down a peg. They hire an outsider to capture you unaware sometime and he collars you with a special collar that forces you to enter a quest which is a series of humiliating circumstances. Some possible circumstances? Strip naked and walk (not run) between two cities in Skyrim and have sex with anyone you meet on the road who requests it (non-hostiles would have a percent chance to request sex while all hostiles would settle for fucking you instead of killing you). Go to a location where many are gathered (One of the Inns in Whiterun, Winterhold or Markarth, , Yarl's court in Solitude, Markarth or Whiterun, Marketplace in Whiterun or Winterhold) and give each of them the option of taking 1000 gold from you or having public sex, the higher the arousal of the person the more likely they will opt to have public sex which means the rest will be more aroused. Anyone else have any other humiliate the DB ideas (sexual or non sexual) that could be worked into a story like this? The reality of rape is that there is rarely a reason for it, the victim most of the time is just someone who's a convenient target. If set in a world similar to ours the player would be very, very unlikely to be seen as a potential target for a rapist because you aren't a convenient target. You're a tough, rugged explorer who's more than capable of defending yourself, and thus random rape would be pretty much non-existent for the player. Instances of someone getting pissed off with the player and putting a bounty on their head to be raped would be more plausible than being randomly raped. However, it would be more realistic if they just put a price on your head to be killed. But being that this is a video game and we can mod the world to a vision we see fit, we can make up our own rules. And for this mod I see the world as absolutely unforgiving, As an explorer in this world you are a potential target for a rapist, and will eventually become some bandit's plaything if you can't handle yourself in the wilds. I'd like to see things like having a bounty placed on your head by someone looking to take you down a peg, but I think we should focus on the core of the mod first and hope a scripter takes notice. If the mod makes progress then we can start thinking about quests and more in-depth interactions. Believe me, I'm full of naughty ideas myself.
Guest Posted June 16, 2014 Posted June 16, 2014 There needs to be a reason to rape the DB. Perhaps its only triggered close to endgame when the people who wanted to but didn't become the Archmage, Head of the Thieves Guild, Head of the Dark Brotherhood (or upset because you destroyed it), others who wanted to buy one of those precious few houses in the cities but you became a Thane and bought it before they could and someone who sent thugs after you for some reason but you prevailed against them and/or a losing side Yarl from the civil war or two. Those people get together and decide you are too arrogant and need to be taken down a peg. They hire an outsider to capture you unaware sometime and he collars you with a special collar that forces you to enter a quest which is a series of humiliating circumstances. Some possible circumstances? Strip naked and walk (not run) between two cities in Skyrim and have sex with anyone you meet on the road who requests it (non-hostiles would have a percent chance to request sex while all hostiles would settle for fucking you instead of killing you). Go to a location where many are gathered (One of the Inns in Whiterun, Winterhold or Markarth, , Yarl's court in Solitude, Markarth or Whiterun, Marketplace in Whiterun or Winterhold) and give each of them the option of taking 1000 gold from you or having public sex, the higher the arousal of the person the more likely they will opt to have public sex which means the rest will be more aroused. Anyone else have any other humiliate the DB ideas (sexual or non sexual) that could be worked into a story like this? i think the same way, that random encounter thing isnt a real good mod. there should be a history behind and it should fit the lore. your sugesting is much like the blackmail thing from oblivion, the creator of that mod has done a great job and was thinking about why the famos heroin should do all the stuff. the only thing i was a bit curios about is the reaction of npcs to that public events. a exemple would be your geting humilated by mjol or jarl balgruf. thats somewhat out of belavable that it disturbes the whole story. right at the moment i would think that only a few charakters would realy do that. nazeem, maul or the old guy how sits next to the jarl from markath but the most wouldn humilate the person how helpt them its the oposite they would try to help the player.
Mister_Monster Posted June 16, 2014 Posted June 16, 2014 a exemple would be your geting humilated by mjol or jarl balgruf. thats somewhat out of belavable that it disturbes the whole story. right at the moment i would think that only a few charakters would realy do that. nazeem, maul or the old guy how sits next to the jarl from markath but the most wouldn humilate the person how helpt them its the oposite they would try to help the player. This I like. Finding out just who put the hit on you would be a victory. Hunting down an evil Jarl and killing him, would be sweet indeed!
feral Posted June 17, 2014 Author Posted June 17, 2014 There needs to be a reason to rape the DB. Perhaps its only triggered close to endgame when the people who wanted to but didn't become the Archmage, Head of the Thieves Guild, Head of the Dark Brotherhood (or upset because you destroyed it), others who wanted to buy one of those precious few houses in the cities but you became a Thane and bought it before they could and someone who sent thugs after you for some reason but you prevailed against them and/or a losing side Yarl from the civil war or two. Those people get together and decide you are too arrogant and need to be taken down a peg. They hire an outsider to capture you unaware sometime and he collars you with a special collar that forces you to enter a quest which is a series of humiliating circumstances. Some possible circumstances? Strip naked and walk (not run) between two cities in Skyrim and have sex with anyone you meet on the road who requests it (non-hostiles would have a percent chance to request sex while all hostiles would settle for fucking you instead of killing you). Go to a location where many are gathered (One of the Inns in Whiterun, Winterhold or Markarth, , Yarl's court in Solitude, Markarth or Whiterun, Marketplace in Whiterun or Winterhold) and give each of them the option of taking 1000 gold from you or having public sex, the higher the arousal of the person the more likely they will opt to have public sex which means the rest will be more aroused. Anyone else have any other humiliate the DB ideas (sexual or non sexual) that could be worked into a story like this? i think the same way, that random encounter thing isnt a real good mod. there should be a history behind and it should fit the lore. your sugesting is much like the blackmail thing from oblivion, the creator of that mod has done a great job and was thinking about why the famos heroin should do all the stuff. the only thing i was a bit curios about is the reaction of npcs to that public events. a exemple would be your geting humilated by mjol or jarl balgruf. thats somewhat out of belavable that it disturbes the whole story. right at the moment i would think that only a few charakters would realy do that. nazeem, maul or the old guy how sits next to the jarl from markath but the most wouldn humilate the person how helpt them its the oposite they would try to help the player. I disagree, especially if a player is using the "alternate start" mod in which their character isn't playing as the dragonborn. This isn't to say that there can't be any lore-friendly details for those who play as the DB. Once the base framework is established for the mod, then work could begin on adding lore-friendly content and options. I do agree that adding things like important NPC's like certain Jarls, high class citizens and criminal NPC's hiring thugs to put the player in their place, and even in the case of the Dragonborn like when you get those letters "from a friend" telling you "people aren't happy" and that they'd just "want to see you grow your powers", the dead polar to that is a brutal gangrape delivery from those people who aren't happy. This could be achieved through an options menu in the MCM where you could choose whether your character is the dragonborn or not, if you are playing as the dragonborn, you could check a box in the MCM that'll modify the spawn frequencies and attach them to specific events that the player must complete to activate them; and add dragonborn lore friendly content.
Guest Posted June 17, 2014 Posted June 17, 2014 There needs to be a reason to rape the DB. Perhaps its only triggered close to endgame when the people who wanted to but didn't become the Archmage, Head of the Thieves Guild, Head of the Dark Brotherhood (or upset because you destroyed it), others who wanted to buy one of those precious few houses in the cities but you became a Thane and bought it before they could and someone who sent thugs after you for some reason but you prevailed against them and/or a losing side Yarl from the civil war or two. Those people get together and decide you are too arrogant and need to be taken down a peg. They hire an outsider to capture you unaware sometime and he collars you with a special collar that forces you to enter a quest which is a series of humiliating circumstances. Some possible circumstances? Strip naked and walk (not run) between two cities in Skyrim and have sex with anyone you meet on the road who requests it (non-hostiles would have a percent chance to request sex while all hostiles would settle for fucking you instead of killing you). Go to a location where many are gathered (One of the Inns in Whiterun, Winterhold or Markarth, , Yarl's court in Solitude, Markarth or Whiterun, Marketplace in Whiterun or Winterhold) and give each of them the option of taking 1000 gold from you or having public sex, the higher the arousal of the person the more likely they will opt to have public sex which means the rest will be more aroused. Anyone else have any other humiliate the DB ideas (sexual or non sexual) that could be worked into a story like this? i think the same way, that random encounter thing isnt a real good mod. there should be a history behind and it should fit the lore. your sugesting is much like the blackmail thing from oblivion, the creator of that mod has done a great job and was thinking about why the famos heroin should do all the stuff. the only thing i was a bit curios about is the reaction of npcs to that public events. a exemple would be your geting humilated by mjol or jarl balgruf. thats somewhat out of belavable that it disturbes the whole story. right at the moment i would think that only a few charakters would realy do that. nazeem, maul or the old guy how sits next to the jarl from markath but the most wouldn humilate the person how helpt them its the oposite they would try to help the player. I disagree, especially if a player is using the "alternate start" mod in which their character isn't playing as the dragonborn. This isn't to say that there can't be any lore-friendly details for those who play as the DB. Once the base framework is established for the mod, then work could begin on adding lore-friendly content and options. I do agree that adding things like important NPC's like certain Jarls, high class citizens and criminal NPC's hiring thugs to put the player in their place, and even in the case of the Dragonborn like when you get those letters "from a friend" telling you "people aren't happy" and that they'd just "want to see you grow your powers", the dead polar to that is a brutal gangrape delivery from those people who aren't happy. This could be achieved through an options menu in the MCM where you could choose whether your character is the dragonborn or not, if you are playing as the dragonborn, you could check a box in the MCM that'll modify the spawn frequencies and attach them to specific events that the player must complete to activate them; and add dragonborn lore friendly content. its not how the player is, its how the npcs are. as exemple jarl balgruuf is a noble man leader of witherun and keeper of law and order he would never ever acapt that things like that happen neither he would do such things. if things like that happen in a book i would say the writer is runing out of character. and that thing you can do for 90% of all named npcs ingame. skyrim isnt full of potential rapists or mindless sexmaniacs and in my opinion should how ever is making such a mod think about that. if not the story is broken from the start.
feral Posted June 17, 2014 Author Posted June 17, 2014 There needs to be a reason to rape the DB. Perhaps its only triggered close to endgame when the people who wanted to but didn't become the Archmage, Head of the Thieves Guild, Head of the Dark Brotherhood (or upset because you destroyed it), others who wanted to buy one of those precious few houses in the cities but you became a Thane and bought it before they could and someone who sent thugs after you for some reason but you prevailed against them and/or a losing side Yarl from the civil war or two. Those people get together and decide you are too arrogant and need to be taken down a peg. They hire an outsider to capture you unaware sometime and he collars you with a special collar that forces you to enter a quest which is a series of humiliating circumstances. Some possible circumstances? Strip naked and walk (not run) between two cities in Skyrim and have sex with anyone you meet on the road who requests it (non-hostiles would have a percent chance to request sex while all hostiles would settle for fucking you instead of killing you). Go to a location where many are gathered (One of the Inns in Whiterun, Winterhold or Markarth, , Yarl's court in Solitude, Markarth or Whiterun, Marketplace in Whiterun or Winterhold) and give each of them the option of taking 1000 gold from you or having public sex, the higher the arousal of the person the more likely they will opt to have public sex which means the rest will be more aroused. Anyone else have any other humiliate the DB ideas (sexual or non sexual) that could be worked into a story like this? i think the same way, that random encounter thing isnt a real good mod. there should be a history behind and it should fit the lore. your sugesting is much like the blackmail thing from oblivion, the creator of that mod has done a great job and was thinking about why the famos heroin should do all the stuff. the only thing i was a bit curios about is the reaction of npcs to that public events. a exemple would be your geting humilated by mjol or jarl balgruf. thats somewhat out of belavable that it disturbes the whole story. right at the moment i would think that only a few charakters would realy do that. nazeem, maul or the old guy how sits next to the jarl from markath but the most wouldn humilate the person how helpt them its the oposite they would try to help the player. I disagree, especially if a player is using the "alternate start" mod in which their character isn't playing as the dragonborn. This isn't to say that there can't be any lore-friendly details for those who play as the DB. Once the base framework is established for the mod, then work could begin on adding lore-friendly content and options. I do agree that adding things like important NPC's like certain Jarls, high class citizens and criminal NPC's hiring thugs to put the player in their place, and even in the case of the Dragonborn like when you get those letters "from a friend" telling you "people aren't happy" and that they'd just "want to see you grow your powers", the dead polar to that is a brutal gangrape delivery from those people who aren't happy. This could be achieved through an options menu in the MCM where you could choose whether your character is the dragonborn or not, if you are playing as the dragonborn, you could check a box in the MCM that'll modify the spawn frequencies and attach them to specific events that the player must complete to activate them; and add dragonborn lore friendly content. its not how the player is, its how the npcs are. as exemple jarl balgruuf is a noble man leader of witherun and keeper of law and order he would never ever acapt that things like that happen neither he would do such things. if things like that happen in a book i would say the writer is runing out of character. and that thing you can do for 90% of all named npcs ingame. skyrim isnt full of potential rapists or mindless sexmaniacs and in my opinion should how ever is making such a mod think about that. if not the story is broken from the start. You're welcome to your opinion, but I disagree with you strongly. But, if you don't like the mod idea then you aren't required to use it if it ever gets made.
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